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"Can you please explain why this is bothering you? Live and let live. K" Why is asking a simple question so problematic? | |||
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"Because they feel as if the world maybe a bit more accepting than it was even only 10 years ago. I can't see how feeling that you can be who ever you need to be, and being comfortable to live your life how you choose to can be a bad thing."  | |||
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"Because I have personal involvement, somebody in the family is considering transitioning and I would like to gain others opinions " Then that family member is the most obvious person to ask surely? | |||
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"Because I have personal involvement, somebody in the family is considering transitioning and I would like to gain others opinions " I think he should get professional counselling to support him. If appropriate, perhaps you should get some for yourself, if this is troubling you. Ultimately it's his choice and he'll do it with or without you. | |||
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"I find it very odd that such a question is so troublesome, does it read that I'm questioning the person involved? I'm simply trying to gain understanding of others experiences " Because asking a question around that subject on here and some folks will label you transphobic | |||
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"I find it very odd that such a question is so troublesome, does it read that I'm questioning the person involved? I'm simply trying to gain understanding of others experiences Because asking a question around that subject on here and some folks will label you transphobic " That implies I have an irrational fear of the trans community, I don't! I can now see why the subject is so problematic | |||
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"Because I have personal involvement, somebody in the family is considering transitioning and I would like to gain others opinions " If someone in your family is considering transitioning, I'd suggest you might find better answers other than on fab. If this place - as much as we love it - was to become an epitome of informed research on issues of great personal importance then someone help us all! | |||
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"Because I have personal involvement, somebody in the family is considering transitioning and I would like to gain others opinions If someone in your family is considering transitioning, I'd suggest you might find better answers other than on fab. If this place - as much as we love it - was to become an epitome of informed research on issues of great personal importance then someone help us all! " So much this  | |||
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"Because asking a question around that subject on here and some folks will label you transphobic ...That implies I have an irrational fear of the trans community, I don't! I can now see why the subject is so problematic " You're the only person around here using the word 'problematic' (twice), or framing things in that way. Why is that? | |||
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"Because asking a question around that subject on here and some folks will label you transphobic ...That implies I have an irrational fear of the trans community, I don't! I can now see why the subject is so problematic You're the only person around here using the word 'problematic' (twice), or framing things in that way. Why is that?" I asked a question to try and gain understanding of a situation and get questioned as to why I'm so interested. Why is the subject so toxic ??? | |||
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"Because asking a question around that subject on here and some folks will label you transphobic ...That implies I have an irrational fear of the trans community, I don't! I can now see why the subject is so problematic You're the only person around here using the word 'problematic' (twice), or framing things in that way. Why is that? I asked a question to try and gain understanding of a situation and get questioned as to why I'm so interested. Why is the subject so toxic ???" The subject is such a toxic one because there is a large minority of people who still think that trans rights shouldn’t be allowed, that transitioning shouldn’t be allowed and that there are only Males and Females… basically bigotry | |||
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"Because asking a question around that subject on here and some folks will label you transphobic ...That implies I have an irrational fear of the trans community, I don't! I can now see why the subject is so problematic You're the only person around here using the word 'problematic' (twice), or framing things in that way. Why is that? I asked a question to try and gain understanding of a situation and get questioned as to why I'm so interested. Why is the subject so toxic ??? The subject is such a toxic one because there is a large minority of people who still think that trans rights shouldn’t be allowed, that transitioning shouldn’t be allowed and that there are only Males and Females… basically bigotry " Of course there are only males and females, it's simple biology, can't be argued, can it ? | |||
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" Of course there are only males and females, it's simple biology, can't be argued, can it ?" From what I have seen on this thread, you certainly cannot argue. I'll grant you simple, though. | |||
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"Of course there are only males and females, it's simple biology, can't be argued, can it ?" And, of course, no one saw that coming. 
OP, you are the only person here who has described things as 'problematic' and you introduced the word 'toxic.' Almost as if you were anticipating - or even wanting - a bigger response than you got.
You claim you just wanted a discussion to gain understanding, but then you offer statements like that above which you know would be inflammatory (and display an alarming attitude towards your apparent family member). | |||
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"Why would anyone on here know the answer to that?" Have you seen the professionals on here who know everything?  | |||
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"I find it very odd that such a question is so troublesome, does it read that I'm questioning the person involved? I'm simply trying to gain understanding of others experiences " Unfortunately OP your original question was much more narrow than that, and in written correspondence people take it at face value. It's great you're trying to understand the situation, but going to more relevant sources of information as already suggested would be the best start. | |||
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"There's a big long piece of writing attached to this that I'm not posting, because it's huge and rambly. But I will say this. One day we'll catch up with how fundamentally important, and possibly unique human consciousness is. On a level parr with biology, genetics and physiology in general. It (may) gives us (the concept of) free will; we all chase it and crave it in our own ways. We all consider it imperative to our own survival. Choice matters to us, deeply entwined with everything we do. If you had a choice to make yourself feel more comfortable in your own skin, wouldn't you?" | |||
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"Because I have personal involvement, somebody in the family is considering transitioning and I would like to gain others opinions " The only opinion that matters, is the one of the person transitioning | |||
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"We had it at school at the 90's. Kids need to forge their own identities at their own pace, they can also change their mind if they want to. All we should do is support them. I find it curious how many are actually trans species atm. Schools are finding that particularly hard to cope with" Trans species? | |||
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"Can somebody please explain why the number of teenage girls that are transitioning has increased so dramatically over the last decade ?" It could be the same reason there seems to be more gay/ bi/ etc people these days. Because it's more acceptable than it was in years gone by and people feel they can be themselves. There may be different reasons and I think it should be openly discussed and not shut down as being transphobic. Asking questions should always be allowed.  | |||
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"We had it at school at the 90's. Kids need to forge their own identities at their own pace, they can also change their mind if they want to. All we should do is support them. I find it curious how many are actually trans species atm. Schools are finding that particularly hard to cope with Trans species?" Yes. Identifying as animals, being a "furry" at school | |||
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"We had it at school at the 90's. Kids need to forge their own identities at their own pace, they can also change their mind if they want to. All we should do is support them. I find it curious how many are actually trans species atm. Schools are finding that particularly hard to cope with Trans species? Yes. Identifying as animals, being a "furry" at school" Ffs. I can imagine that in primary school but not older.  | |||
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"Because asking a question around that subject on here and some folks will label you transphobic ...That implies I have an irrational fear of the trans community, I don't! I can now see why the subject is so problematic You're the only person around here using the word 'problematic' (twice), or framing things in that way. Why is that? I asked a question to try and gain understanding of a situation and get questioned as to why I'm so interested. Why is the subject so toxic ??? The subject is such a toxic one because there is a large minority of people who still think that trans rights shouldn’t be allowed, that transitioning shouldn’t be allowed and that there are only Males and Females… basically bigotry Of course there are only males and females, it's simple biology, can't be argued, can it ?" There are numerous relatively recent scientific studies I could link to if it was allowed on here that say otherwise…. However , thanks to this comment, it’s becoming clear that you won’t actually look at any of them because you actually wanted to just throw your outdated attitude out into the world… | |||
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"We had it at school at the 90's. Kids need to forge their own identities at their own pace, they can also change their mind if they want to. All we should do is support them. I find it curious how many are actually trans species atm. Schools are finding that particularly hard to cope with Trans species? Yes. Identifying as animals, being a "furry" at school Ffs. I can imagine that in primary school but not older. "It's in the secondary schools and some do go on to be in a furry dynamic, it's when they use it to be disruptive in class that is the pain,  barking at inappropriate times is unfair to the other students trying to learn | |||
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"Can somebody please explain why the number of teenage girls that are transitioning has increased so dramatically over the last decade ?" Yawn I'm going back to sleep, im don't care | |||
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"We had it at school at the 90's. Kids need to forge their own identities at their own pace, they can also change their mind if they want to. All we should do is support them. I find it curious how many are actually trans species atm. Schools are finding that particularly hard to cope with Trans species? Yes. Identifying as animals, being a "furry" at school Ffs. I can imagine that in primary school but not older.
It's in the secondary schools and some do go on to be in a furry dynamic, it's when they use it to be disruptive in class that is the pain, barking at inappropriate times is unfair to the other students trying to learn"Really?! And people think this is acceptable? | |||
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" Yawn I'm going back to sleep, im don't care Cool thanks for posting, don't come back. " Just for you I'll pop back on | |||
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"There's a big long piece of writing attached to this that I'm not posting, because it's huge and rambly. But I will say this. One day we'll catch up with how fundamentally important, and possibly unique human consciousness is. On a level parr with biology, genetics and physiology in general. It (may) gives us (the concept of) free will; we all chase it and crave it in our own ways. We all consider it imperative to our own survival. Choice matters to us, deeply entwined with everything we do. If you had a choice to make yourself feel more comfortable in your own skin, wouldn't you?" | |||
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"Can somebody please explain why the number of teenage girls that are transitioning has increased so dramatically over the last decade ?" Maybe they just want ‘more’…..  | |||
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"I'd like to know if anyone can explain why a Kit Kat Chunky is around half the size it was a couple of years ago Ughhhhhhh. I know, right?!!! It’s an abomination. "You'll be livid when you see what they've done to the humble Yorkie! | |||
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"I'd like to know if anyone can explain why a Kit Kat Chunky is around half the size it was a couple of years ago Ughhhhhhh. I know, right?!!! It’s an abomination.
You'll be livid when you see what they've done to the humble Yorkie!"Are they letting girls buy them now? Fucking woke CONfectionary! | |||
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"Can somebody please explain why the number of teenage girls that are transitioning has increased so dramatically over the last decade ?" Because they can | |||
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"The answer is simple isn’t it? The people that wanna transition are more aware of it, are more confident in being able to speak out about it, and the opportunities for it happening are on the increase. Or am i to simplified in my thinking? " Yes and no. Conceptually of course it's as simple. Today matthew I'm going to transition. But reality is emotions, mental well being, school life, home life, relationships all need appropriate consideration. I can't imagine how complex it is. | |||
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"The answer is simple isn’t it? The people that wanna transition are more aware of it, are more confident in being able to speak out about it, and the opportunities for it happening are on the increase. Or am i to simplified in my thinking? Yes and no. Conceptually of course it's as simple. Today matthew I'm going to transition. But reality is emotions, mental well being, school life, home life, relationships all need appropriate consideration. I can't imagine how complex it is. " Controversial question here ..but without societies overbearing influence would these young people feel the need to transition ??? IV seen plenty of trans people who wish they'd never made the transition and maybe such a young age is not necessarily the right to be discussing the subject .. if you can't have sex until 16 you certainly shouldn't be allowed to change sex before you're 16 . | |||
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"The answer is simple isn’t it? The people that wanna transition are more aware of it, are more confident in being able to speak out about it, and the opportunities for it happening are on the increase. Or am i to simplified in my thinking? Yes and no. Conceptually of course it's as simple. Today matthew I'm going to transition. But reality is emotions, mental well being, school life, home life, relationships all need appropriate consideration. I can't imagine how complex it is. Controversial question here ..but without societies overbearing influence would these young people feel the need to transition ??? IV seen plenty of trans people who wish they'd never made the transition and maybe such a young age is not necessarily the right to be discussing the subject .. if you can't have sex until 16 you certainly shouldn't be allowed to change sex before you're 16 ." Where are people allowed to make permanent changes before 16, or even 18? | |||
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"The answer is simple isn’t it? The people that wanna transition are more aware of it, are more confident in being able to speak out about it, and the opportunities for it happening are on the increase. Or am i to simplified in my thinking? Yes and no. Conceptually of course it's as simple. Today matthew I'm going to transition. But reality is emotions, mental well being, school life, home life, relationships all need appropriate consideration. I can't imagine how complex it is. Controversial question here ..but without societies overbearing influence would these young people feel the need to transition ??? IV seen plenty of trans people who wish they'd never made the transition and maybe such a young age is not necessarily the right to be discussing the subject .. if you can't have sex until 16 you certainly shouldn't be allowed to change sex before you're 16 ." I think it's a good question. Advertising and society influences minds and desires. It's why people spend money on advertising. It's a good question to understand how that influences wants and needs to transition. | |||
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"The answer is simple isn’t it? The people that wanna transition are more aware of it, are more confident in being able to speak out about it, and the opportunities for it happening are on the increase. Or am i to simplified in my thinking? Yes and no. Conceptually of course it's as simple. Today matthew I'm going to transition. But reality is emotions, mental well being, school life, home life, relationships all need appropriate consideration. I can't imagine how complex it is. Controversial question here ..but without societies overbearing influence would these young people feel the need to transition ??? IV seen plenty of trans people who wish they'd never made the transition and maybe such a young age is not necessarily the right to be discussing the subject .. if you can't have sex until 16 you certainly shouldn't be allowed to change sex before you're 16 . Where are people allowed to make permanent changes before 16, or even 18?" Scotland "Trans people aged 16 and older applying for a GRC will be required to make a legally binding declaration that they are already living in their acquired gender and intend to do so permanently" | |||
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"The answer is simple isn’t it? The people that wanna transition are more aware of it, are more confident in being able to speak out about it, and the opportunities for it happening are on the increase. Or am i to simplified in my thinking? Yes and no. Conceptually of course it's as simple. Today matthew I'm going to transition. But reality is emotions, mental well being, school life, home life, relationships all need appropriate consideration. I can't imagine how complex it is. Controversial question here ..but without societies overbearing influence would these young people feel the need to transition ??? IV seen plenty of trans people who wish they'd never made the transition and maybe such a young age is not necessarily the right to be discussing the subject .. if you can't have sex until 16 you certainly shouldn't be allowed to change sex before you're 16 . Where are people allowed to make permanent changes before 16, or even 18? Scotland "Trans people aged 16 and older applying for a GRC will be required to make a legally binding declaration that they are already living in their acquired gender and intend to do so permanently" " And I'm not 100 % sure here ..but don't some transgenders begin hormone treatment therapy prior to pubity ? | |||
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"The answer is simple isn’t it? The people that wanna transition are more aware of it, are more confident in being able to speak out about it, and the opportunities for it happening are on the increase. Or am i to simplified in my thinking? Yes and no. Conceptually of course it's as simple. Today matthew I'm going to transition. But reality is emotions, mental well being, school life, home life, relationships all need appropriate consideration. I can't imagine how complex it is. Controversial question here ..but without societies overbearing influence would these young people feel the need to transition ??? IV seen plenty of trans people who wish they'd never made the transition and maybe such a young age is not necessarily the right to be discussing the subject .. if you can't have sex until 16 you certainly shouldn't be allowed to change sex before you're 16 . Where are people allowed to make permanent changes before 16, or even 18? Scotland "Trans people aged 16 and older applying for a GRC will be required to make a legally binding declaration that they are already living in their acquired gender and intend to do so permanently" " that's about getting a certificate tho. Not the medical side of things. My understanding at least. | |||
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"The answer is simple isn’t it? The people that wanna transition are more aware of it, are more confident in being able to speak out about it, and the opportunities for it happening are on the increase. Or am i to simplified in my thinking? Yes and no. Conceptually of course it's as simple. Today matthew I'm going to transition. But reality is emotions, mental well being, school life, home life, relationships all need appropriate consideration. I can't imagine how complex it is. Controversial question here ..but without societies overbearing influence would these young people feel the need to transition ??? IV seen plenty of trans people who wish they'd never made the transition and maybe such a young age is not necessarily the right to be discussing the subject .. if you can't have sex until 16 you certainly shouldn't be allowed to change sex before you're 16 . Where are people allowed to make permanent changes before 16, or even 18? Scotland "Trans people aged 16 and older applying for a GRC will be required to make a legally binding declaration that they are already living in their acquired gender and intend to do so permanently" that's about getting a certificate tho. Not the medical side of things. My understanding at least. " Legal certification makes your sex legally altered .it's supposedly a binding agreement so a permanent decision too | |||
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"The answer is simple isn’t it? The people that wanna transition are more aware of it, are more confident in being able to speak out about it, and the opportunities for it happening are on the increase. Or am i to simplified in my thinking? Yes and no. Conceptually of course it's as simple. Today matthew I'm going to transition. But reality is emotions, mental well being, school life, home life, relationships all need appropriate consideration. I can't imagine how complex it is. Controversial question here ..but without societies overbearing influence would these young people feel the need to transition ??? IV seen plenty of trans people who wish they'd never made the transition and maybe such a young age is not necessarily the right to be discussing the subject .. if you can't have sex until 16 you certainly shouldn't be allowed to change sex before you're 16 . Where are people allowed to make permanent changes before 16, or even 18? Scotland "Trans people aged 16 and older applying for a GRC will be required to make a legally binding declaration that they are already living in their acquired gender and intend to do so permanently" " That sounds like marriage. Intending to do something permanently. Seems sensible to make it a non trivial commitment, 16 is an age where some adult commitments are introduced for young people. I'd had, like, surgery permanent in mind rather than marriage permanent  | |||
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"The answer is simple isn’t it? The people that wanna transition are more aware of it, are more confident in being able to speak out about it, and the opportunities for it happening are on the increase. Or am i to simplified in my thinking? Yes and no. Conceptually of course it's as simple. Today matthew I'm going to transition. But reality is emotions, mental well being, school life, home life, relationships all need appropriate consideration. I can't imagine how complex it is. Controversial question here ..but without societies overbearing influence would these young people feel the need to transition ??? IV seen plenty of trans people who wish they'd never made the transition and maybe such a young age is not necessarily the right to be discussing the subject .. if you can't have sex until 16 you certainly shouldn't be allowed to change sex before you're 16 . Where are people allowed to make permanent changes before 16, or even 18? Scotland "Trans people aged 16 and older applying for a GRC will be required to make a legally binding declaration that they are already living in their acquired gender and intend to do so permanently" And I'm not 100 % sure here ..but don't some transgenders begin hormone treatment therapy prior to pubity ? " Puberty blockers don't permanently put someone in one camp or another, they stop what's also a permanent process | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics " You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent "No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics " Actually, conceptually and practically they are different. This isn't a case of semantics, this is a case of real world application, not "ah, but!". | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above "Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons. I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing. Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves. | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics Actually, conceptually and practically they are different. This isn't a case of semantics, this is a case of real world application, not "ah, but!"." Ah but obviously somewhere we're letting four year olds decide they can be surgically turned into cats, because Scotland lets young adults sign a legally binding form. | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics Actually, conceptually and practically they are different. This isn't a case of semantics, this is a case of real world application, not "ah, but!"." Do they have permanent long lasting effects ? Do they need to be overseen by a medical health professional ? Surgery and medication are two different resolutions to the same issue | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves."Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics Actually, conceptually and practically they are different. This isn't a case of semantics, this is a case of real world application, not "ah, but!". Do they have permanent long lasting effects ? Do they need to be overseen by a medical health professional ? Surgery and medication are two different resolutions to the same issue " You literally just said it yourself. Two. Different. Resolutions. Would you like me to semantically pull them apart for you? | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision "I can read. It means social transition. Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender. They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent. None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now. | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics Actually, conceptually and practically they are different. This isn't a case of semantics, this is a case of real world application, not "ah, but!". Do they have permanent long lasting effects ? Do they need to be overseen by a medical health professional ? Surgery and medication are two different resolutions to the same issue You literally just said it yourself. Two. Different. Resolutions. Would you like me to semantically pull them apart for you?" Different in application not results .both have long term potentially irreversible effects | |||
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"Can somebody please explain why the number of teenage girls that are transitioning has increased so dramatically over the last decade ?" Rise of the internet. | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics Actually, conceptually and practically they are different. This isn't a case of semantics, this is a case of real world application, not "ah, but!". Do they have permanent long lasting effects ? Do they need to be overseen by a medical health professional ? Surgery and medication are two different resolutions to the same issue You literally just said it yourself. Two. Different. Resolutions. Would you like me to semantically pull them apart for you? Different in application not results .both have long term potentially irreversible effects " Potentially | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now. "Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding. Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics Actually, conceptually and practically they are different. This isn't a case of semantics, this is a case of real world application, not "ah, but!". Do they have permanent long lasting effects ? Do they need to be overseen by a medical health professional ? Surgery and medication are two different resolutions to the same issue You literally just said it yourself. Two. Different. Resolutions. Would you like me to semantically pull them apart for you? Different in application not results .both have long term potentially irreversible effects " so if some applies for a GRC and then changes their mind a few years later what are their options ? | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time "And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law? Ridiculous. | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time "Ok, cool, if you're worried about the NHS paying for multiple reassignments then limit it like IVF. Not a problem with me. But social transition - stuff like clothes and name, not legally binding or permanent. Puberty blockers - also used in other kids without a gigantic fuss. A declaration of intending to do something permanently to change your gender on government documentation - 16+ in Scotland. Surgery - 18+, and probably longer because the waiting lists are years. | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous."How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous.
How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse "What percentage of the NHS budget is used for gender reassignment, that it would make even a noticeable difference? | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous.
How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse "That is not the reason why the NHS is about to collapse, and you know it. Or maybe you don't, whatever. But your implications are deeply offensive. | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous.
How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse
That is not the reason why the NHS is about to collapse, and you know it. Or maybe you don't, whatever. But your implications are deeply offensive."So... social transition is nothing permanent and changes to government documents aren't as scary as I make them out to be, and puberty blockers are also used in kids for other reasons... All the really permanent stuff is in adults. *Flails for a reason to demonise trans people* It costs money! (I'd love to do a comparison of "I want to delay my period because I'm going on holiday" versus gender reassignment as a percentage of NHS costs. I bet the latter is comparable. I'd chop the former entirely. Your period comes when your period comes, unless it's precocious puberty) | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous.
How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse
What percentage of the NHS budget is used for gender reassignment, that it would make even a noticeable difference? ".would be interesting to find out ..as op states the increase in numbers is telling ..perhaps the funding for support has increased ..clearly education on the subject has increased as it's being taught in schools . Wish it was taught when I was a kid as I clearly don't know anything about it . ..however contrary to your beliefs I believe the media and sheeple effect has a massive bearing on the amount of people transitioning .. societal beliefs have shifted drastically .. religion morality and self happiness have decreased.. laws have changed theirs multiple reasons why it's increasing . Perhaps the fact it's beeming talked about also helps .. I find out astounding how people get offended on behalf of other people on here . It stinks of nepotism | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous.
How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse
What percentage of the NHS budget is used for gender reassignment, that it would make even a noticeable difference?
.would be interesting to find out ..as op states the increase in numbers is telling ..perhaps the funding for support has increased ..clearly education on the subject has increased as it's being taught in schools . Wish it was taught when I was a kid as I clearly don't know anything about it . ..however contrary to your beliefs I believe the media and sheeple effect has a massive bearing on the amount of people transitioning .. societal beliefs have shifted drastically .. religion morality and self happiness have decreased.. laws have changed theirs multiple reasons why it's increasing . Perhaps the fact it's beeming talked about also helps .. I find out astounding how people get offended on behalf of other people on here . It stinks of nepotism "Nepotism? My daddy ain't promoting me into anything because I support equality. He finds all of this shit a bit baffling | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous.
How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse
What percentage of the NHS budget is used for gender reassignment, that it would make even a noticeable difference?
.would be interesting to find out ..as op states the increase in numbers is telling ..perhaps the funding for support has increased ..clearly education on the subject has increased as it's being taught in schools . Wish it was taught when I was a kid as I clearly don't know anything about it . ..however contrary to your beliefs I believe the media and sheeple effect has a massive bearing on the amount of people transitioning .. societal beliefs have shifted drastically .. religion morality and self happiness have decreased.. laws have changed theirs multiple reasons why it's increasing . Perhaps the fact it's beeming talked about also helps .. I find out astounding how people get offended on behalf of other people on here . It stinks of nepotism " | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous.
How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse
What percentage of the NHS budget is used for gender reassignment, that it would make even a noticeable difference?
.would be interesting to find out ..as op states the increase in numbers is telling ..perhaps the funding for support has increased ..clearly education on the subject has increased as it's being taught in schools . Wish it was taught when I was a kid as I clearly don't know anything about it . ..however contrary to your beliefs I believe the media and sheeple effect has a massive bearing on the amount of people transitioning .. societal beliefs have shifted drastically .. religion morality and self happiness have decreased.. laws have changed theirs multiple reasons why it's increasing . Perhaps the fact it's beeming talked about also helps .. I find out astounding how people get offended on behalf of other people on here . It stinks of nepotism "You use words that you've no clue the meaning of. Any point you had was lost at the very end. Also, tldr. Out. | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous.
How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse
What percentage of the NHS budget is used for gender reassignment, that it would make even a noticeable difference?
.would be interesting to find out ..as op states the increase in numbers is telling ..perhaps the funding for support has increased ..clearly education on the subject has increased as it's being taught in schools . Wish it was taught when I was a kid as I clearly don't know anything about it . ..however contrary to your beliefs I believe the media and sheeple effect has a massive bearing on the amount of people transitioning .. societal beliefs have shifted drastically .. religion morality and self happiness have decreased.. laws have changed theirs multiple reasons why it's increasing . Perhaps the fact it's beeming talked about also helps .. I find out astounding how people get offended on behalf of other people on here . It stinks of nepotism
Nepotism? My daddy ain't promoting me into anything because I support equality. He finds all of this shit a bit baffling "You support equality ? In what sense because equality implies that there is equal right for my opinion as there is for yours . But we can't have an open dialogue on this subject without certain parties being offended..or claiming offense atleast . | |||
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous.
How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse
What percentage of the NHS budget is used for gender reassignment, that it would make even a noticeable difference?
.would be interesting to find out ..as op states the increase in numbers is telling ..perhaps the funding for support has increased ..clearly education on the subject has increased as it's being taught in schools . Wish it was taught when I was a kid as I clearly don't know anything about it . ..however contrary to your beliefs I believe the media and sheeple effect has a massive bearing on the amount of people transitioning .. societal beliefs have shifted drastically .. religion morality and self happiness have decreased.. laws have changed theirs multiple reasons why it's increasing . Perhaps the fact it's beeming talked about also helps .. I find out astounding how people get offended on behalf of other people on here . It stinks of nepotism
Nepotism? My daddy ain't promoting me into anything because I support equality. He finds all of this shit a bit baffling
You support equality ? In what sense because equality implies that there is equal right for my opinion as there is for yours . But we can't have an open dialogue on this subject without certain parties being offended..or claiming offense atleast . "You're confusing equality with free speech, and free speech with "but someone disagreed with me, they're censoring me  "
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"Surgery permanent isn't greatly different from hormone replacement is it ..just semantics You're changing the subject. I said surgery permanent versus marriage permanent. Marriage is a legal declaration that you intend to spend the rest of your life with someone. As we know, that's definitely permanent
No sorry you said permanent . Marriage is intended to be permanent
Gender assignment is also intended to be permanent as it states above
Yes, it's *intended* to be permanent. We don't want people making these changes for trivial reasons.
I'm ok with 16 year olds making some legally binding decisions, but not all. I'm aware that *intending to be permanent* and *actually permanent* are not the same thing.
Puberty blockers are also used for, for example, little girls whose period comes when they're five. It's not permanently making them a boy or whatever, it's holding that off until it's more appropriate. In the case of trans kids, allowing the radical changes of puberty to be held off until they're old enough to be able to make binding decisions about themselves.
Can you read ? They have to be living as their chosen sex prior to 16 . So they've already made their binding decision
I can read. It means social transition.
Taking on a name of the other gender and being treated as the other gender.
They've made a decision, at 16 they're allowed legal recognition if they can show a commitment before that, if they declare an *intention* for it to be permanent.
None of this is actually permanent, it's a commitment. I lived as a committed Christian as a teenager and was working towards a (spiritually not legally) binding ceremony to celebrate my coming of age. I'm an atheist now.
Religion is a personal choice but Gender assignment or reassignment treatment or surgery when funded by the NHS should be legally binding.
Waivers should be signed. if you choose to select your gender that's fine .but you should be held responsible for any financial costs incurred if you want to reassign your gender at a later time
And what, if they change their mind then suddenly their breaking the law?
Ridiculous.
How committed can you be to being trapped in the wrong body if you're capable of changing your mind ? If that's the case should the young person not be treated and analysed for their deficiency rather than medicated or modified to be something they're not sure of??? ...pretty self explanatory to me . But each to their own I guess . The NHS shouldn't be funding anyone's personal ambitions to change sex. IVF costs extravagant amounts ..so should other health choices and maybe the health system in Britain wouldn't be about to collapse
What percentage of the NHS budget is used for gender reassignment, that it would make even a noticeable difference?
.would be interesting to find out ..as op states the increase in numbers is telling ..perhaps the funding for support has increased ..clearly education on the subject has increased as it's being taught in schools . Wish it was taught when I was a kid as I clearly don't know anything about it . ..however contrary to your beliefs I believe the media and sheeple effect has a massive bearing on the amount of people transitioning .. societal beliefs have shifted drastically .. religion morality and self happiness have decreased.. laws have changed theirs multiple reasons why it's increasing . Perhaps the fact it's beeming talked about also helps .. I find out astounding how people get offended on behalf of other people on here . It stinks of nepotism
You use words that you've no clue the meaning of. Any point you had was lost at the very end. Also, tldr. Out."Excuse me what word don't I know the meaning of ? Nepotism ? Google the definition.. you literally msgd me on a different thread yesterday telling me how awful my opinions are and telling people to report me for my opinions . That's nepotism and it's clicky. your influencing people with similar opinions to your own to gang up on an individual. You're not inclusive tolerant or a believer of equality if you can't accept people have differing opinions | |||
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"Because I have personal involvement, somebody in the family is considering transitioning and I would like to gain others opinions " Surely then other opinions, ours and yours do not matter, I like chocolate hobnobs, doesn’t mean I’m right about those either, it’s just what triggers contentment in my brain, others consider sky diving to be the thing, others consider changing gender, let people be, if they have made a mistake, the skydivers will know about it | |||
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"I accept you have a different opinion. You have a right to believe whatever you want. As do I. And I have a right to disagree with you. I'm not infringing on your rights. Nepotism usually implies familial promotion within an organisation, not a group of people (who may or may not know each other and may or may not be friends) agreeing with each other on a subject." Wiki definition of nepotism the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives, friends, or associates, .perhaps theres a better adjective to describe how some in the fab community gang up against people with differing opinions but nepotism works . | |||
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"I accept you have a different opinion. You have a right to believe whatever you want. As do I. And I have a right to disagree with you. I'm not infringing on your rights. Nepotism usually implies familial promotion within an organisation, not a group of people (who may or may not know each other and may or may not be friends) agreeing with each other on a subject. Wiki definition of nepotism the practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives, friends, or associates, .perhaps theres a better adjective to describe how some in the fab community gang up against people with differing opinions but nepotism works ." ... Maybe people just disagree with you? Nepotism would be if it were the mods. (Dear mods, I'm not accusing you of anything, it's a hypothetical) | |||
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"Why would anyone on here know the answer to that?" I actually know why. It’s the same answer as for the numbers of them getting tattoos and piercings. Identify, accessibility and it’s cool. If you can think of it it will happen next | |||
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"First define your terms . What is a girl ?" LOOOOL, search for a woman on the search tab and there is your answer. All jokes aside a girl is a human born with a vagina and womb | |||
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