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"It's the right of every human being to be able to stand up to adversity ![]() the military do as their commanding officer tells them right left right left stand at ease ![]() | |||
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"It's the right of every human being to be able to stand up to adversity ![]() ![]() There speaks a man who has never served | |||
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"It's the right of every human being to be able to stand up to adversity ![]() ![]() so you didn't do as your commanding officer ordered you then? ![]() | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?" I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. | |||
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"It's the right of every human being to be able to stand up to adversity ![]() ![]() ![]() Absolutel crap hat!! | |||
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" I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer." Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer." Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly. God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ?? These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly. God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ?? These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted. " Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you? | |||
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" I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it. " I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better. | |||
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"1. We are struggling for workforce. 2. Already far too stretched. 3. Our pay is worse than people striking. 4. Everyone can go find another job if they don't like the pay. 5. Selfish, do we not deserve to see our families at Christmas? " You knew what you were signing up for. | |||
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"1. We are struggling for workforce. 2. Already far too stretched. 3. Our pay is worse than people striking. 4. Everyone can go find another job if they don't like the pay. 5. Selfish, do we not deserve to see our families at Christmas? " 1. Strike 2. Strike 3. Strike 4. Not how it works and you very well know it, otherwise you wouldn't be here moaning about your job. 5. Well couldn't you just get another job, seems it was your solution for it all ![]() | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.To get richer I don't think ambulance drivers are ever going to be rich but I think most must be caring people to go into that job . I doubt they actually want to strike but the situation is forced because our country is now run by greedy people getting a little richer Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer." | |||
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"I love this comedian... And he has this subject NAILED!! https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc" All of you who posted here must watch this and tell me he's wrong. Some of you REALLY need a reality check as your memories are sooooo short I'm utterly aghast!! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew." 100% | |||
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"1. We are struggling for workforce. 2. Already far too stretched. 3. Our pay is worse than people striking. 4. Everyone can go find another job if they don't like the pay. 5. Selfish, do we not deserve to see our families at Christmas? " 1. Also a reason for the pay to increase. 2. You're repeating yourself. 3. Unionise then. 4. Or take entirely legal industrial action. 5. What? | |||
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"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew." Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems. | |||
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"I think it is totally their right to strike but I feel it is a bit of a dick move if they go forward with it... they knew the role they were playing when they chose to sign up" Didn't sign up for being assaulted by the public in the course of doing their job!!! | |||
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"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew. Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems." Unfortunately this tripe of a government are not spending that money in those places either. Funny how MPs always get an in line with inflation or above inflation pay rise when the rest of the public sector have had real time pay cuts for the past 10 years. Striking is a last resort for any union. Negotiations would have stopped them but the powers that be do not negotiated so cause the strike to go ahead. | |||
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"I think it is totally their right to strike but I feel it is a bit of a dick move if they go forward with it... they knew the role they were playing when they chose to sign up Didn't sign up for being assaulted by the public in the course of doing their job!!!" That's nothing to do with the job that's just life, people get assaulted all the time all over the world on a daily basis often for no reason at all | |||
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"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew. Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems." ![]() | |||
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"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew. Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems." Imagine having to choose between feeding your family or keeping them warm ![]() | |||
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"This is a great question for finding out how unbelievably selfish and ignorant people really are . People are being forced to strike this isn't something they want . " ![]() ![]() | |||
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"The military can't strike. We are scapegoats for people that chose the job that they are in and moan about their pay. " 15 years in reserves here and I got caught up in the last fire strike. I've already said that I would support your right to industrial action in the right circumstances. By the way, what's the pension like these days? | |||
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"They have a deserving case. But so do many other worker groups who lack the leverage to strike. " Then they should Unionise. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?" Heard them on the radio last night. Its about pay. Not sure it's only one sides fault and yes I do think people should be able to withdraw Labour. Like all these things there's lots of unhelpful finger pointing. When they all grow up and sit down around a table there is a chance of a settlement. But it's a scary prospect that's for sure. And the employers should never be held to ransom. That's just a terrible road to go down. | |||
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"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes." I second this . | |||
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" I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it. I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better. " With all due respect. You are 57 years old, let's estimate that most of life means 30 years. The average house price in 1992 was £50k, the average band D basic staff nurse pay in 1994 was £15k, so just over three times your pay for a house. The average house price in the UK in 2022 is £296,000. The wage of a nurse £22-£30k. Even if you take £30k you are looking at nearly 10 times you pay for a house. All while the cost of everything has increased significantly. Don't worry though, they can rent and pay a UK average of £554 a month or build a time machine and pay an average of £136 in 1990. So while you might have done well, this won't be the case for everyone. But rather than go over any stuff here, I could have just taken your "I"m alright so why aren't they" attitude and laughed. That isn't how the world works. | |||
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"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew. Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems." Imagine you stopped voting Tory and guess what, both things could happen. | |||
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"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew. Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems. Imagine you stopped voting Tory and guess what, both things could happen. " ![]() | |||
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"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew. Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems. Imagine you stopped voting Tory and guess what, both things could happen. ![]() I believe that both public sector pay and services can and should be better funded, yes. | |||
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" I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it. I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better. With all due respect. You are 57 years old, let's estimate that most of life means 30 years. The average house price in 1992 was £50k, the average band D basic staff nurse pay in 1994 was £15k, so just over three times your pay for a house. The average house price in the UK in 2022 is £296,000. The wage of a nurse £22-£30k. Even if you take £30k you are looking at nearly 10 times you pay for a house. All while the cost of everything has increased significantly. Don't worry though, they can rent and pay a UK average of £554 a month or build a time machine and pay an average of £136 in 1990. So while you might have done well, this won't be the case for everyone. But rather than go over any stuff here, I could have just taken your "I"m alright so why aren't they" attitude and laughed. That isn't how the world works. " Spot on!The 'Well I'm alright Jack' attitude stinks. | |||
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"Well you know what would happen if we went on strike don't you lol. I too was on the fire strike in the green goddesses but we had a larger military back then. We are literally on our asses atm and struggling to cope, this is the last thing we need. " We'd send in the nurses, teachers, rail workers etc to cover you guys ![]() | |||
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"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew. Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems. Imagine you stopped voting Tory and guess what, both things could happen. ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Hahaha, I'd love to see that. They would then see how lucky they actually are ![]() ![]() ![]() Flip it round as it works both ways. | |||
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" I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it. I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better. With all due respect. You are 57 years old, let's estimate that most of life means 30 years. The average house price in 1992 was £50k, the average band D basic staff nurse pay in 1994 was £15k, so just over three times your pay for a house. The average house price in the UK in 2022 is £296,000. The wage of a nurse £22-£30k. Even if you take £30k you are looking at nearly 10 times you pay for a house. All while the cost of everything has increased significantly. Don't worry though, they can rent and pay a UK average of £554 a month or build a time machine and pay an average of £136 in 1990. So while you might have done well, this won't be the case for everyone. But rather than go over any stuff here, I could have just taken your "I"m alright so why aren't they" attitude and laughed. That isn't how the world works. " Not quite. I left my partner at aged 50 and started from scratch but luckily had £35,000 for deposit for house. It is furnished from charity shops and that is where I buy most my clothes. I don't eat fancy foods but I survive quite happily. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly. God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ?? These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted. Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you?" Some just like to appear controversial and attract attention. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly. God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ?? These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted. Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you? Some just like to appear controversial and attract attention. " Why is there a need for that? Just because someone doesn’t agree with someone? Very lame. I don’t know her that well but I can say in many years I have never seen that person try to be controversial or be an attention seeker on here. Bang out of order. | |||
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"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? " I meant more with the 'Some people don't know how lucky they are' comment. You could flip that to practically any other profession. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly. God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ?? These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted. Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you? Some just like to appear controversial and attract attention. Why is there a need for that? Just because someone doesn’t agree with someone? Very lame. I don’t know her that well but I can say in many years I have never seen that person try to be controversial or be an attention seeker on here. Bang out of order. " That's fine, that's your view. | |||
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"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? " Yeah but, isn’t that what you sign up for ? If you didn’t like it could always get another job ? | |||
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"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? " The reserves cover your jobs when needed. And many of them work in the NHS. I used to serve with an operating theatre technician. Lots of NHS staff were in Afghanistan and Iraq. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly. God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ?? These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted. Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you? Some just like to appear controversial and attract attention. Why is there a need for that? Just because someone doesn’t agree with someone? Very lame. I don’t know her that well but I can say in many years I have never seen that person try to be controversial or be an attention seeker on here. Bang out of order. That's fine, that's your view. " I am allowed to answer the OPs question and voice my opinion even if nobody likes it. | |||
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"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? The reserves cover your jobs when needed. And many of them work in the NHS. I used to serve with an operating theatre technician. Lots of NHS staff were in Afghanistan and Iraq. " That’s not covering regular soldiers jobs, that’s literally their job as a territorial soldier | |||
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"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? " Don’t like it, go on strike…. | |||
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"Emergency services should be paid a damm sight mire than they are they clean up our crap .blood .and puke the fucking railworkers strike every year and get what they want" | |||
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"Not allowed to strike." No but if you did, I'd be 100% behind you. Would I cover for you if you were on strike? No, I wouldn't. One because then I'm undermining you and your reasons for striking. Two, I wouldn't be suitably trained to do what you do. | |||
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"Reducing overheads has a huge effect on profitability. " The NHS should not be run for profit. Reducing overheads reduced costs, yes, but currently the NHS cannot meet demand. When your staff are overworked and underpaid they look elsewhere and it’s usually some of the best who go first. Then you end up bringing in expensive contractors and you’re into a vicious circle until somebody sorts the organisation out or you go bust. | |||
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"Not allowed to strike." Do you still get the massive pension? How was your last adventurous training? (essentially a massive taxpayer funded holiday for those who don't know) Do you still get subsidised meals? Are you going to use one of your no doubt numerous driving licences to get a well paid job when you leave? (while getting that pension as well) Nobody shouts "stand to" in civilian life but don't complain about no perks in your role. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly. God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ?? These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted. Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you? Some just like to appear controversial and attract attention. Why is there a need for that? Just because someone doesn’t agree with someone? Very lame. I don’t know her that well but I can say in many years I have never seen that person try to be controversial or be an attention seeker on here. Bang out of order. That's fine, that's your view. I am allowed to answer the OPs question and voice my opinion even if nobody likes it." Exactly. | |||
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"I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer." If by ‘richer’ you mean earn the same relative amount they were a decade ago then, yes. Some people are getting richer, but it’s not public sector or even most private sector workers. | |||
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"I love this comedian... And he has this subject NAILED!! https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc" I watch this guy a lot, this is what the media should be really saying. | |||
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"That's my point, we aren't trained to do what paramedics or nurses do yet we have to cover to keep some sort of service going. It is unfair on the army and the general public. I agree that a pay rise is needed across all public services but they aren't gonna get 19%, they need to meet in the middle somewhere. " No you're not and you shouldn't be made to. Obviously, you have no real say in that. That's why my opinion is that we should all have each other's backs. It doesn't matter what profession you belong too, if you are prepared to lose pay by striking then things are obviously at a pretty critical point. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer." wow you dont think anyone has the right to strike ! You need to open your eyes, people are dying NOW because this government are running the system into the ground so they can privatise it. You say people are getting richer, who exactly . politicians with a 30% rise , subsidised meals, huge expenses, or the NHS staff having to pay for training, pay to park at work, using food banks. The whole system is at breaking point, this government is trying its best to break it | |||
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"Reducing overheads has a huge effect on profitability. The NHS should not be run for profit. Reducing overheads reduced costs, yes, but currently the NHS cannot meet demand. When your staff are overworked and underpaid they look elsewhere and it’s usually some of the best who go first. Then you end up bringing in expensive contractors and you’re into a vicious circle until somebody sorts the organisation out or you go bust. " Apologies, I consider my throat well and truly jumped down. Profit may have been the wrong word. Savings can be reallocated The payscales in the NHS,for example don't appear to differentiate between front line staff and admin/clerical staff. This could be an area where funds could be reallocated to provide nurses at with better funding. Just a thought. | |||
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"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? " Your probably doing nothing anyway unless you deployed which I doubt. Rear party or stagging on a gate at worst. ![]() | |||
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" I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it. I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better. With all due respect. You are 57 years old, let's estimate that most of life means 30 years. The average house price in 1992 was £50k, the average band D basic staff nurse pay in 1994 was £15k, so just over three times your pay for a house. The average house price in the UK in 2022 is £296,000. The wage of a nurse £22-£30k. Even if you take £30k you are looking at nearly 10 times you pay for a house. All while the cost of everything has increased significantly. Don't worry though, they can rent and pay a UK average of £554 a month or build a time machine and pay an average of £136 in 1990. So while you might have done well, this won't be the case for everyone. But rather than go over any stuff here, I could have just taken your "I"m alright so why aren't they" attitude and laughed. That isn't how the world works. " Interesting data. Averages don’t really tell the story though , I recently bought a 3 bed house for my daughter for 140k and where can you rent a house for 554 per month ? More like £1000 But your point is valid , things are much harder now but things are cyclical. I’ve been through two recessions, poll tax riots, and seen interest rates double almost triple what they are now back when it was very hard to get any support whatsoever if you worked. Let’s be honest though - strikes are not the answer. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?" Yes I fully support them. I went on strike last week and yesterday. I’m not going to argue with those that don’t support us…. Everyone has their own opinions ![]() | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.good for you standing up for your rights fully supportive Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? Yes I fully support them. I went on strike last week and yesterday. I’m not going to argue with those that don’t support us…. Everyone has their own opinions ![]() | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?" Ambulance drivers? I think you mean paramedics. I can already see you are ill informed. Yes they have every right to strike and I fully support all of the NHS strikes. | |||
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"The state NHS machine is too expensive and while I will be shut down for saying it should be privatised, the package that state workers receive (including disproportionate pension) is too high for a socially funded system where the users can smoke, drink and be obese with no obligation to subsidise their poor choices. Socialists thinking that the government has a magic money tree. Please get Labour into government asap as this bitching about Tories is lazy… let’s see how the left wing geniuses with ALL the answers sort this out. Striking to help protect patients is like fucking to save virginity… " Look at how life expectancies and waiting lists have changed during the last 12 years. What is lazy is blaming people who smoke and drink, that’s got to the most tired argument there is. | |||
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"I don't think strikes achieve anything they only people against you. NHS workers should not have to strike they should be paid properly in the first place but I think nhs trust need to be completely overhauled, get rid of management let the medical professionals run there hospitals like they used to do when my nan was a matron. Employ buyers who are experienced in negotiation to buy the drugs and equipment instead if just paying stupid prices over £5 for a box of paracetamol 25p in tesco No wonder the NHS is hermeraging money " That’s funny because there is majority public support for the nhs strikes. | |||
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"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? The reserves cover your jobs when needed. And many of them work in the NHS. I used to serve with an operating theatre technician. Lots of NHS staff were in Afghanistan and Iraq. " They dont cover military jobs. They make up the numbers due to shortages. The difference between a peace time military and military deployed on operations. Especially skilled reservists like surgeons, anesthetists, nurses. And its also beneficial to them. So many changes and improvements to medical procedures and emergency medicine are learned in combat theatres. | |||
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"The state NHS machine is too expensive and while I will be shut down for saying it should be privatised, the package that state workers receive (including disproportionate pension) is too high for a socially funded system where the users can smoke, drink and be obese with no obligation to subsidise their poor choices. Socialists thinking that the government has a magic money tree. Please get Labour into government asap as this bitching about Tories is lazy… let’s see how the left wing geniuses with ALL the answers sort this out. Striking to help protect patients is like fucking to save virginity… Look at how life expectancies and waiting lists have changed during the last 12 years. What is lazy is blaming people who smoke and drink, that’s got to the most tired argument there is. " Sorry, along side the smokers, drinkers and obese, I forgot to include those able bodied people who are rather claiming benefits and those like the junkies I witnessed who were creating disruption in A&E at the Countess of Chester. There are more for sure but I am confident that they will be able to hide behind those defending the self entitled. People are aging, true. People are also retiring earlier too… no tax revenue but continued drain on state funded services. More funds for more heads, yes. More funds to pay people higher wages, no. In Europe we are paying comparable wages… I man sure someone will cherry pick a specific country but the average should be the comparator for a state funded service. | |||
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"I think stopping strikes is akin to charging humans for air, I support all the strikes and think they’re long overdue We’re unfortunately ruled by nepotism with the mask of a government and it’s been running like a mafia for too many decades, left and right are as bad as each other, neither will put civilians over money, they’re both sides of the same coin, either way we’re screwed Us fighting between ourselves rather than together works for them and the fact that you know who I mean by us and them just shows how normalised a ruling class is " Divide and conquer. Change only happens with organisation this is why the house always wins. | |||
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"Except us in the military, we don't have a say, we don't get to have a Christmas, our pay is worse than theirs but hey ho, we crack on. " ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr " If only it were that easy eh?! | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr " What a great opinion to have. Not! | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr What a great opinion to have. Not!" Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! ![]() | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr What a great opinion to have. Not! Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! ![]() It makes me think of the monkey in a box experiment with the ladder, they showed the animals giving punishment generations later even though the banana wasn’t there anymore, the older animals still punished the younger animals and none could go near the ladder even though it could easily have been pushed near the edge to escape, they didn’t Just a thought | |||
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"Again, yes. Next question. Why are they striking?" Stupid question of the day | |||
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"Again, yes. Next question. Why are they striking? Stupid question of the day " To a man from Toronto who wanted another question. Perhaps not :eyeroll emoji thing ![]() | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr What a great opinion to have. Not! Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! ![]() They chose that profession, they chose to commit their life to the cause, mr 30 years plus wasn’t forced into in by the people dying on the front room floor. Their decision so yes it is and plan as black and white you either pull you selves up and get on with the job or you fuck off. But they won’t do that. Because the wages are not that good, so here we are with people dying just so 30 years plus can keep up the payments on his Audi The mr | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr What a great opinion to have. Not! Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! ![]() Or his mortgage payments, or payments to keep his house warm, or payments to feed his kids | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr What a great opinion to have. Not! Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Not read the whole thread, but aren’t they Paramedics now, not just a driver of a vehicle ? A bit more skilled. ![]() An interesting call I heard earlier - there are 3 groups in the actual vehicles including ambulance technicians and paramedics (I can't remember the 3rd). In a fully staffed service every ambulance would have at least one paramedic, but it's not fully staffed. Many ambulances have crews working beyond their pay grade and qualifications. That puts all of us at risk and is one of the factors in the dispute. | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr What a great opinion to have. Not! Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! ![]() What do you mean the same as people who get paid a lot less than him, you know the kind of people he’s leaving laying half dead on the floor. The mr | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr What a great opinion to have. Not! Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! ![]() Mate...you are so far removed from reality that it's genuinely worrying. | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr What a great opinion to have. Not! Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! ![]() Aha, and now the guilt trip! | |||
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"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes." Me too. Absolutely 100% behind them. ![]() | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr What a great opinion to have. Not! Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! ![]() Guilt trip about what ? I do apologise I forgot the fuel increase was only for paramedics oh and the post office, train drivers. The mr | |||
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"Do i agree with the NHS striking? Yes, i do. I work alongside the LAS (London Ambulance Service) and A&E staff a lot of the time. I see how stretched frontline NHS staff are. And the way Paramedics/ambulance technicians are treated by a lot of the public is disgraceful. Seeing paramedics wearing stab vests speaks volumes. And the LAS are bounced all over London. Where i work in Camden, we've had LAS crews from as far away as Croydon and Sutton. Do i agree with them striking now? At the busiest time of year? Hmmmmm, im not entirely comfortable with that." This and I agree with that too, that the timing of the strike isnt good during the festive period ![]() | |||
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"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay. The mr What a great opinion to have. Not! Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! ![]() m If you were unionised you’d do the same. If you’re not in a union that’s on you. | |||
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"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes. Me too. Absolutely 100% behind them. ![]() And if your Mrs or mum or daughter were having a heart attack? I mean that's the issue isn't it? | |||
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"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes. Me too. Absolutely 100% behind them. ![]() Well hopefully before I next need to call an ambulance the strikes will have had an effect, and some improvements will have been made to the service. Because if you need an ambulance now it's not guaranteed regardless of whether there is a strike or not. 12 years of cutting the service to bone to save 5p has led to this. | |||
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"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes. Me too. Absolutely 100% behind them. ![]() No it's not, not today as there is in place with the unions and the health service local managers an undertaking that such as you say will be attended to by those on the picket line.. There's reports that's taken place in several areas, cat A life threatening are being attended.. The reality is today some trusts are reporting they are quieter so ironically waiting times might be less than normal for an ambulance today as on a normal day when it's common that ambulance crews are unable to attend calls they hear on the radio because they are waiting to clear at a hospital.. That is part of what they and their nursing staff colleagues are part fighting to address as well as the pay issue.. This whole issue is upon this government who seem ideologically decimating a service to prepare it for their friends and donors in the city to 'rescue'.. I stand with them.. | |||
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"Honestly, I'm on the bench when it comes to strike for my self if I'm not happy with the pay of a job, I will leave and find a better paying job.. I get what they are striking for and I have sympathy but then the other part is when you took that job you new what the pay was it would be for you to negotiate a higher rate or leave.. putting life's in danger isn't negotiation." They're striking because negotiation isn't happening | |||
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"Honestly, I'm on the bench when it comes to strike for my self if I'm not happy with the pay of a job, I will leave and find a better paying job.. I get what they are striking for and I have sympathy but then the other part is when you took that job you new what the pay was it would be for you to negotiate a higher rate or leave.. putting life's in danger isn't negotiation. They're striking because negotiation isn't happening " But like I said, if negotiation doesn't work, you look for a job. When I take a job, I read the contract upon me taking that individual job. I agree to the terms and the pay if for whatever ever reason I therefore want more money then you negotiat or you leave but instead there making the decision to strike wherefore people may lose life's and although I agree the NHS needs much needed funding I just struggle to get my head around it now if they all quit then that's a different matter.. That's like me and you agreeing I will work for you for £9 pound an hour you put that in my contract but nothing about increases after a few year's I then want more money I ask for the pay rise you say no then I find a new job... | |||
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"Honestly, I'm on the bench when it comes to strike for my self if I'm not happy with the pay of a job, I will leave and find a better paying job.. I get what they are striking for and I have sympathy but then the other part is when you took that job you new what the pay was it would be for you to negotiate a higher rate or leave.. putting life's in danger isn't negotiation. They're striking because negotiation isn't happening But like I said, if negotiation doesn't work, you look for a job. When I take a job, I read the contract upon me taking that individual job. I agree to the terms and the pay if for whatever ever reason I therefore want more money then you negotiat or you leave but instead there making the decision to strike wherefore people may lose life's and although I agree the NHS needs much needed funding I just struggle to get my head around it now if they all quit then that's a different matter.. That's like me and you agreeing I will work for you for £9 pound an hour you put that in my contract but nothing about increases after a few year's I then want more money I ask for the pay rise you say no then I find a new job..." Are you so detatched from reality that you don’t know how any of this works? | |||
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"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes. Me too. Absolutely 100% behind them. ![]() This is also my understanding. I was talking to my brother tonight. He's a paramedic. The issue seems to be waiting times at hospitals, ambulances waiting to be cleared is causing delays in calls being attended. He did say that they SWAST are not understaffed and its the hospitals that are the issue. He had no issue with pay. I would say though, he left the union years ago, for his own reasons. | |||
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"I’m a nurse and voted to strike. It isn’t for pay !!!!!! Nurse shortages are horrific. No one is joining the profession anymore because it means leaving university with a £50 grand debt. It’s seems nurses are also taking peoples advice and leaving the profession in droves. Unable to stand the pressure of poorly staffed wards. Patients are at the centre of everything we do and that includes striking. We are striking to improve overall safety. To stop the 13 hour wait in A&E or the 14 hour wait on the floor waiting for an ambulance. The government has pillaged the NHS for too long enough is enough " I can't possibly understand what it is like working in those conditions but I thank you and fully support your decision to strike. | |||
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"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity. I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk. Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this. What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay? Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military? I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer." ![]() | |||
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" I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer. Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it. I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better. " I agree with you, i worked for the NHS for many years and the pay, conditions etc were very good. | |||
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"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew. Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems." ![]() | |||
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