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Should ambulance drivers beable to strike?

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By *hagTonight OP   Man  over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

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By *TG3Man  over a year ago

Dorchester

It's the right of every human being to be able to stand up to adversity

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By *hagTonight OP   Man  over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

I also support them to strike, lets hope that people will be ok during it and that they wont do any risky activities.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Except us in the military, we don't have a say, we don't get to have a Christmas, our pay is worse than theirs but hey ho, we crack on.

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By *rtyIanMan  over a year ago

Gateway to the Beacons


"It's the right of every human being to be able to stand up to adversity "

Except the military who will cover things

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By *idnight RamblerMan  over a year ago

Pershore

They have a deserving case. But so do many other worker groups who lack the leverage to strike.

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By *issmorganWoman  over a year ago

Calderdale innit

Yep I support them.

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By *TG3Man  over a year ago

Dorchester


"It's the right of every human being to be able to stand up to adversity

Except the military who will cover things "

the military do as their commanding officer tells them right left right left stand at ease

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By *armandwet50Couple  over a year ago

Far far away


"It's the right of every human being to be able to stand up to adversity

Except the military who will cover things the military do as their commanding officer tells them right left right left stand at ease "

There speaks a man who has never served

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You are a first class prick !!!

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By *TG3Man  over a year ago

Dorchester


"It's the right of every human being to be able to stand up to adversity

Except the military who will cover things the military do as their commanding officer tells them right left right left stand at ease

There speaks a man who has never served"

so you didn't do as your commanding officer ordered you then?

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By *elfordstevieMan  over a year ago

Telford

The ambulance drivers should be sent out to a war zone, to see how they like covering someone else’s shift.

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

Yes, everyone should be able to withdraw their labour with certain exemptions such as the military. Even there I would suggest that they should have the right to unionise and take action in exceptional circumstances when not on operational tours. And I'm talking about things like national pay claims. For local issues the military has a chain of command.

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By *luebell888Woman  over a year ago

Glasgowish


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?"

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

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By *olden PoleMan  over a year ago

London


"It's the right of every human being to be able to stand up to adversity

Except the military who will cover things the military do as their commanding officer tells them right left right left stand at ease

There speaks a man who has never servedso you didn't do as your commanding officer ordered you then? "

Absolutel crap hat!!

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By *orksRockerMan  over a year ago

Bradford

I love this comedian... And he has this subject NAILED!!

https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc

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By *tephanjMan  over a year ago

Kettering

I support the strike,and I see no reason our armed forces cannot be used to help out

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


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I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer."

Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer."

Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly.

God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ??

These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

1. We are struggling for workforce.

2. Already far too stretched.

3. Our pay is worse than people striking.

4. Everyone can go find another job if they don't like the pay.

5. Selfish, do we not deserve to see our families at Christmas?

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly.

God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ??

These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted.

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Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you?

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By *luebell888Woman  over a year ago

Glasgowish


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I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it. "

I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew.

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By *0ng0 furyMan  over a year ago

Birkenhead

fcuk the tories

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By *ellinever70Woman  over a year ago

Ayrshire


"1. We are struggling for workforce.

2. Already far too stretched.

3. Our pay is worse than people striking.

4. Everyone can go find another job if they don't like the pay.

5. Selfish, do we not deserve to see our families at Christmas? "

You knew what you were signing up for.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"1. We are struggling for workforce.

2. Already far too stretched.

3. Our pay is worse than people striking.

4. Everyone can go find another job if they don't like the pay.

5. Selfish, do we not deserve to see our families at Christmas? "

1. Strike

2. Strike

3. Strike

4. Not how it works and you very well know it, otherwise you wouldn't be here moaning about your job.

5. Well couldn't you just get another job, seems it was your solution for it all

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

So did ambulance drivers

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By *ungry guy 2021Man  over a year ago

Ambleside


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.To get richer I don't think ambulance drivers are ever going to be rich but I think most must be caring people to go into that job . I doubt they actually want to strike but the situation is forced because our country is now run by greedy people getting a little richer

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer."

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By *orksRockerMan  over a year ago

Bradford


"I love this comedian... And he has this subject NAILED!!

https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc"

All of you who posted here must watch this and tell me he's wrong. Some of you REALLY need a reality check as your memories are sooooo short I'm utterly aghast!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew."

100%

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By *urenutsMan  over a year ago

waltham cross/Harrow HA1

Definitely deserve a pay increase. The government waste money else money during covid giving their mate contracts

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"1. We are struggling for workforce.

2. Already far too stretched.

3. Our pay is worse than people striking.

4. Everyone can go find another job if they don't like the pay.

5. Selfish, do we not deserve to see our families at Christmas? "

1. Also a reason for the pay to increase.

2. You're repeating yourself.

3. Unionise then.

4. Or take entirely legal industrial action.

5. What?

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By *izzmasterzeroMan  over a year ago

Aberdeen

I think it is totally their right to strike but I feel it is a bit of a dick move if they go forward with it... they knew the role they were playing when they chose to sign up

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By *luebell888Woman  over a year ago

Glasgowish


"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew."

Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems.

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By *ittlemissFlirtyCouple  over a year ago

Southampton

Absolutely yes!! They've essentially had a 30percent pay cut and get physically and verbally abused by the great British public whom they're trying to help!

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By *ittlemissFlirtyCouple  over a year ago

Southampton


"I think it is totally their right to strike but I feel it is a bit of a dick move if they go forward with it... they knew the role they were playing when they chose to sign up"

Didn't sign up for being assaulted by the public in the course of doing their job!!!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm not the one moaning about my job, I'm very happy thank you.

We in the military can't strike and wouldn't strike because we have morals and standards.

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By *rineForSomeFunMan  over a year ago

Yorkshire

I'm genuinely shocked at a few people saying those on strike could "find another job" instead. So people have to live in a constant state of flux, flitting from job to job just to make ends meet, and we all end up in a "race to the bottom" in pay terms, in which we're always being replaced by someone desperate enough to do the job for less? Errr, no thanks. It's hardly conducive to employers maintaining a stable business either, if as soon as someone is trained in a role they leave to chase a fairer wage elsewhere.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The military can't strike.

We are scapegoats for people that chose the job that they are in and moan about their pay.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

SeNd iN tHe MiLiTaRy!!!

Said everyone that has never served a day in their life and has no idea of the pay, conditions, treatment and all round shit show that is the military

That’s just become a default answer now, just wait until restaurant chefs strike and the military chefs are sent in, you’ll soon change your fucking minds

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Here here

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By *rineForSomeFunMan  over a year ago

Yorkshire

I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Absolutely pal, this lot are fucking dillusional

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By *ungry guy 2021Man  over a year ago

Ambleside

This is a great question for finding out how unbelievably selfish and ignorant people really are . People are being forced to strike this isn't something they want .

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By *rHotNottsMan  over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Let them strike, people might take more care and not get d*unk and pass out without the NHS ready to taxi them around

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By *olden PoleMan  over a year ago

London

Peoples life’s are at risk with this strike. I don’t agree with the emergency services striking. I didn’t with the fire brigade and I don’t with the ambulance service. I hear and understand the reasons but emergency services striking and putting lives at risk of people that need that service….come on now, we don’t dial 999 for fun do we ( I know some people do )

There has to be another way. I know people will disagree but it doesn’t effect any individual until their own time of absolute need and hope that time doesn’t come.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew.

Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems."

Unfortunately this tripe of a government are not spending that money in those places either. Funny how MPs always get an in line with inflation or above inflation pay rise when the rest of the public sector have had real time pay cuts for the past 10 years.

Striking is a last resort for any union. Negotiations would have stopped them but the powers that be do not negotiated so cause the strike to go ahead.

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By *izzmasterzeroMan  over a year ago

Aberdeen


"I think it is totally their right to strike but I feel it is a bit of a dick move if they go forward with it... they knew the role they were playing when they chose to sign up

Didn't sign up for being assaulted by the public in the course of doing their job!!!"

That's nothing to do with the job that's just life, people get assaulted all the time all over the world on a daily basis often for no reason at all

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew.

Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems."

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew.

Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems."

Imagine having to choose between feeding your family or keeping them warm

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By *orksRockerMan  over a year ago

Bradford


"This is a great question for finding out how unbelievably selfish and ignorant people really are . People are being forced to strike this isn't something they want . "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Nobody is being forced at all, it is by choice like everything in their lives.

I manage and nurses and ambulance drivers are better paid than me. Yet I still serve my country and save lives.

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"The military can't strike.

We are scapegoats for people that chose the job that they are in and moan about their pay. "

15 years in reserves here and I got caught up in the last fire strike.

I've already said that I would support your right to industrial action in the right circumstances.

By the way, what's the pension like these days?

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By *rineForSomeFunMan  over a year ago

Yorkshire

The other thing that people are missing is that almost all the current strikes are not only about pay. Rail workers for example are also protesting about roster changes which will see them forced to work more and more unsociable shifts, changes to maintenance regimes which will potentially affect the safety of every passenger on the railway, removal of more and more guards from trains, and the complete closure of every single ticket office in England

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By *avie65Man  over a year ago

In the west.

They are more than just drivers, they are a highly skilled group of people doing a job I wouldn't like to, or could, do under very difficult circumstances.

You mentioned drivers, that is something else that they are highly skilled at.

I don't think it's all about money as they work in some very scary places, the general public aren't always very nice to them, and they are run ragged due to crew numbers.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"They have a deserving case. But so do many other worker groups who lack the leverage to strike. "

Then they should Unionise.

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By *ackformore100Man  over a year ago

Tin town


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?"

Heard them on the radio last night. Its about pay. Not sure it's only one sides fault and yes I do think people should be able to withdraw Labour. Like all these things there's lots of unhelpful finger pointing. When they all grow up and sit down around a table there is a chance of a settlement. But it's a scary prospect that's for sure. And the employers should never be held to ransom. That's just a terrible road to go down.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Well you know what would happen if we went on strike don't you lol. I too was on the fire strike in the green goddesses but we had a larger military back then. We are literally on our asses atm and struggling to cope, this is the last thing we need.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes."

I second this .

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By *ackformore100Man  over a year ago

Tin town

To add. There's a lot of people working hard and worked hard for the last many years. In some less than ideal conditions.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


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I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it.

I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better. "

With all due respect. You are 57 years old, let's estimate that most of life means 30 years. The average house price in 1992 was £50k, the average band D basic staff nurse pay in 1994 was £15k, so just over three times your pay for a house.

The average house price in the UK in 2022 is £296,000. The wage of a nurse £22-£30k. Even if you take £30k you are looking at nearly 10 times you pay for a house. All while the cost of everything has increased significantly.

Don't worry though, they can rent and pay a UK average of £554 a month or build a time machine and pay an average of £136 in 1990.

So while you might have done well, this won't be the case for everyone. But rather than go over any stuff here, I could have just taken your "I"m alright so why aren't they" attitude and laughed. That isn't how the world works.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew.

Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems."

Imagine you stopped voting Tory and guess what, both things could happen.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew.

Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems.

Imagine you stopped voting Tory and guess what, both things could happen. "

you don't really believe that do you..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew.

Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems.

Imagine you stopped voting Tory and guess what, both things could happen.

you don't really believe that do you.. "

I believe that both public sector pay and services can and should be better funded, yes.

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


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I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it.

I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better.

With all due respect. You are 57 years old, let's estimate that most of life means 30 years. The average house price in 1992 was £50k, the average band D basic staff nurse pay in 1994 was £15k, so just over three times your pay for a house.

The average house price in the UK in 2022 is £296,000. The wage of a nurse £22-£30k. Even if you take £30k you are looking at nearly 10 times you pay for a house. All while the cost of everything has increased significantly.

Don't worry though, they can rent and pay a UK average of £554 a month or build a time machine and pay an average of £136 in 1990.

So while you might have done well, this won't be the case for everyone. But rather than go over any stuff here, I could have just taken your "I"m alright so why aren't they" attitude and laughed. That isn't how the world works.

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Spot on!The 'Well I'm alright Jack' attitude stinks.

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By *ustamanMan  over a year ago

weymouth

Technically they haven't been ambulance drivers for decades, paramedic is the correct term. Highly trained, skilled folk that have the ability to deal with trauma injuries and in general keep you alive and stable until they can hand you over to a team of trauma specialists - to call paramedics ambulance drivers is derogatory, they deserve pay that reflects the role they play.

Just imagine a situation where paramedics, nurses, health care workers all decided enough is enough and resigned enmasse because that's where I see this going eventually if it's not resolved

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"Well you know what would happen if we went on strike don't you lol. I too was on the fire strike in the green goddesses but we had a larger military back then. We are literally on our asses atm and struggling to cope, this is the last thing we need. "

We'd send in the nurses, teachers, rail workers etc to cover you guys

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Hahaha, I'd love to see that. They would then see how lucky they actually are

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By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew.

Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems.

Imagine you stopped voting Tory and guess what, both things could happen.

you don't really believe that do you.. "

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"Hahaha, I'd love to see that. They would then see how lucky they actually are "

Flip it round as it works both ways.

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By *luebell888Woman  over a year ago

Glasgowish


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I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it.

I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better.

With all due respect. You are 57 years old, let's estimate that most of life means 30 years. The average house price in 1992 was £50k, the average band D basic staff nurse pay in 1994 was £15k, so just over three times your pay for a house.

The average house price in the UK in 2022 is £296,000. The wage of a nurse £22-£30k. Even if you take £30k you are looking at nearly 10 times you pay for a house. All while the cost of everything has increased significantly.

Don't worry though, they can rent and pay a UK average of £554 a month or build a time machine and pay an average of £136 in 1990.

So while you might have done well, this won't be the case for everyone. But rather than go over any stuff here, I could have just taken your "I"m alright so why aren't they" attitude and laughed. That isn't how the world works.

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Not quite. I left my partner at aged 50 and started from scratch but luckily had £35,000 for deposit for house. It is furnished from charity shops and that is where I buy most my clothes. I don't eat fancy foods but I survive quite happily.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly.

God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ??

These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted.

Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you?"

Some just like to appear controversial and attract attention.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways??

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By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly.

God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ??

These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted.

Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you?

Some just like to appear controversial and attract attention. "

Why is there a need for that? Just because someone doesn’t agree with someone? Very lame. I don’t know her that well but I can say in many years I have never seen that person try to be controversial or be an attention seeker on here.

Bang out of order.

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? "

I meant more with the 'Some people don't know how lucky they are' comment. You could flip that to practically any other profession.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly.

God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ??

These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted.

Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you?

Some just like to appear controversial and attract attention.

Why is there a need for that? Just because someone doesn’t agree with someone? Very lame. I don’t know her that well but I can say in many years I have never seen that person try to be controversial or be an attention seeker on here.

Bang out of order. "

That's fine, that's your view.

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By *heniceguy1104Man  over a year ago

rickmansworth

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By *uietlycheekyMan  over a year ago

aberdeen


"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? "

Yeah but, isn’t that what you sign up for ? If you didn’t like it could always get another job ?

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? "

The reserves cover your jobs when needed. And many of them work in the NHS. I used to serve with an operating theatre technician. Lots of NHS staff were in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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By *heniceguy1104Man  over a year ago

rickmansworth

Emergency services should be paid a damm sight mire than they are they clean up our crap .blood .and puke the fucking railworkers strike every year and get what they want

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By *luebell888Woman  over a year ago

Glasgowish


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly.

God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ??

These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted.

Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you?

Some just like to appear controversial and attract attention.

Why is there a need for that? Just because someone doesn’t agree with someone? Very lame. I don’t know her that well but I can say in many years I have never seen that person try to be controversial or be an attention seeker on here.

Bang out of order.

That's fine, that's your view. "

I am allowed to answer the OPs question and voice my opinion even if nobody likes it.

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By *isfits behaving badlyCouple  over a year ago

Coventry

I think the question should more be should the government be able to endanger life's rather than agree to pair fair pay and working conditions?

They're happy to find the money to bail out banks and sign away billions in dodgy contracts to party donors. Yet when vital public services just want reasonable pay and conditions the purse is closed. This is a state of last resort by people who are dedicated public servants. The people suffer because of this government not the ambulance crews.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways??

The reserves cover your jobs when needed. And many of them work in the NHS. I used to serve with an operating theatre technician. Lots of NHS staff were in Afghanistan and Iraq. "

That’s not covering regular soldiers jobs, that’s literally their job as a territorial soldier

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By *etcplCouple  over a year ago

Gapping Fanny


"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? "

Don’t like it, go on strike….

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By *heniceguy1104Man  over a year ago

rickmansworth


"Emergency services should be paid a damm sight mire than they are they clean up our crap .blood .and puke the fucking railworkers strike every year and get what they want"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

You answered it yourself, they are "reserves" that receive a pay from the military. Also theatre technicians, surgeon's aren't exactly your standard 18 grand a year Squaddie are they?

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By *ig_eric_tionMan  over a year ago

IPSWICH

The only people achieving financial gains from strike action are the union leaders that are instigating it. The vast majority of which are in the top 3 to 4% of earners in the country. None of these people will loose pay whilst their members strike.

As for the NHS it's an amazing organisation. It's one of the largest employers in the world. It may well have got too big and disjointed. This may not sit well with many but maybe change should come from within. Reallocation of funds and better budgeting could potentially save millions.

Injecting cash isn't always the answer. Reducing overheads has a huge effect on profitability.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Not allowed to strike.

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By *otsossieMan  over a year ago

Chesterfield

Would you rather they all just quit?

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"Not allowed to strike."

No but if you did, I'd be 100% behind you.

Would I cover for you if you were on strike? No, I wouldn't. One because then I'm undermining you and your reasons for striking. Two, I wouldn't be suitably trained to do what you do.

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By *otsossieMan  over a year ago

Chesterfield


"Reducing overheads has a huge effect on profitability. "

The NHS should not be run for profit.

Reducing overheads reduced costs, yes, but currently the NHS cannot meet demand. When your staff are overworked and underpaid they look elsewhere and it’s usually some of the best who go first. Then you end up bringing in expensive contractors and you’re into a vicious circle until somebody sorts the organisation out or you go bust.

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"Not allowed to strike."

Do you still get the massive pension?

How was your last adventurous training? (essentially a massive taxpayer funded holiday for those who don't know)

Do you still get subsidised meals?

Are you going to use one of your no doubt numerous driving licences to get a well paid job when you leave? (while getting that pension as well)

Nobody shouts "stand to" in civilian life but don't complain about no perks in your role.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Richer? No one is getting rich. No nurse, rail worker, postal worker, ambulance driver, paramedic is rich on their wage. A lot will live pay cheque to pay cheque which in real terms has reduced significantly.

God forbid people stand up for what they believe in and a fair deal. Power to the people ??

These strikes will deliver good things for all workers across all sectors. As unions have with everything you take for granted.

Getting greedy??? Getting richer??? Omg how far from reality are you?

Some just like to appear controversial and attract attention.

Why is there a need for that? Just because someone doesn’t agree with someone? Very lame. I don’t know her that well but I can say in many years I have never seen that person try to be controversial or be an attention seeker on here.

Bang out of order.

That's fine, that's your view.

I am allowed to answer the OPs question and voice my opinion even if nobody likes it."

Exactly.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By *ulfilthmentMan  over a year ago

Just around the corner


"I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer."

If by ‘richer’ you mean earn the same relative amount they were a decade ago then, yes.

Some people are getting richer, but it’s not public sector or even most private sector workers.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I love this comedian... And he has this subject NAILED!!

https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc"

I watch this guy a lot, this is what the media should be really saying.

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"That's my point, we aren't trained to do what paramedics or nurses do yet we have to cover to keep some sort of service going. It is unfair on the army and the general public. I agree that a pay rise is needed across all public services but they aren't gonna get 19%, they need to meet in the middle somewhere. "

No you're not and you shouldn't be made to. Obviously, you have no real say in that.

That's why my opinion is that we should all have each other's backs. It doesn't matter what profession you belong too, if you are prepared to lose pay by striking then things are obviously at a pretty critical point.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman  over a year ago

little house on the praire

I'm in two minds about this. Yes they should be allowed to strike but from a personal view if they where on strike this time last year I'd be dead

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By *oinerbillMan  over a year ago

warrington


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer."

wow

you dont think anyone has the right to strike !

You need to open your eyes, people are dying NOW because this government are running the system into the ground so they can privatise it.

You say people are getting richer, who exactly . politicians with a 30% rise , subsidised meals, huge expenses, or the NHS staff having to pay for training, pay to park at work, using food banks. The whole system is at breaking point, this government is trying its best to break it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I love this comedian... And he has this subject NAILED!!

https://youtu.be/Gljtvwhcdhc

All of you who posted here must watch this and tell me he's wrong. Some of you REALLY need a reality check as your memories are sooooo short I'm utterly aghast!! "

I saw that video last week but I thought it was against the rules so didn't post a link, yes Mr Pie is the guy, its how the media should be really behaving.

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By *uliette500Woman  over a year ago

Hull

The government rely on the NHS and emergency services being too compassionate to strike.

They have ignored years of these services asking for a proper pay rise. 1 or 2% doesn't touch the sides with the rate of inflation as it is.

The government still manage to hike up their own already massive pay packets but don't care about everyone else.

It's about time the people stood up and said their bit whatever area they work in..

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By *ig_eric_tionMan  over a year ago

IPSWICH


"Reducing overheads has a huge effect on profitability.

The NHS should not be run for profit.

Reducing overheads reduced costs, yes, but currently the NHS cannot meet demand. When your staff are overworked and underpaid they look elsewhere and it’s usually some of the best who go first. Then you end up bringing in expensive contractors and you’re into a vicious circle until somebody sorts the organisation out or you go bust. "

Apologies, I consider my throat well and truly jumped down.

Profit may have been the wrong word. Savings can be reallocated

The payscales in the NHS,for example don't appear to differentiate between front line staff and admin/clerical staff. This could be an area where funds could be reallocated to provide nurses at with better funding.

Just a thought.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My dad worked the railways for most of his life, he didn't strike in the winter of discontent as his role prevented him from doing so.

Due to the deal the rail workers won, my life and those of my siblings changed forever.

So to see what the government is doing now, to me is not just preventing pay rises, it is preventing opportunity for thousands of children who will grow up in circumstances that could have been prevented with better living conditions, better pay for their parents better working conditions leading to more time at home with their families.

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By *oldswarriorMan  over a year ago

Falkirk


"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways?? "

Your probably doing nothing anyway unless you deployed which I doubt.

Rear party or stagging on a gate at worst.

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By *rHotNottsMan  over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it.

I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better.

With all due respect. You are 57 years old, let's estimate that most of life means 30 years. The average house price in 1992 was £50k, the average band D basic staff nurse pay in 1994 was £15k, so just over three times your pay for a house.

The average house price in the UK in 2022 is £296,000. The wage of a nurse £22-£30k. Even if you take £30k you are looking at nearly 10 times you pay for a house. All while the cost of everything has increased significantly.

Don't worry though, they can rent and pay a UK average of £554 a month or build a time machine and pay an average of £136 in 1990.

So while you might have done well, this won't be the case for everyone. But rather than go over any stuff here, I could have just taken your "I"m alright so why aren't they" attitude and laughed. That isn't how the world works.

"

Interesting data. Averages don’t really tell the story though , I recently bought a 3 bed house for my daughter for 140k and where can you rent a house for 554 per month ? More like £1000

But your point is valid , things are much harder now but things are cyclical. I’ve been through two recessions, poll tax riots, and seen interest rates double almost triple what they are now back when it was very hard to get any support whatsoever if you worked.

Let’s be honest though - strikes are not the answer.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?"

Yes I fully support them. I went on strike last week and yesterday. I’m not going to argue with those that don’t support us…. Everyone has their own opinions

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By *ungry guy 2021Man  over a year ago

Ambleside


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.good for you standing up for your rights fully supportive

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

Yes I fully support them. I went on strike last week and yesterday. I’m not going to argue with those that don’t support us…. Everyone has their own opinions "

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes they should its not all about the pay rise it about how stretched they are and can't do us the public the best care . So they can't meet there targets as not enough nurses ambulance drivers .so many leaving nhs now looking from the outside looking in there seem to be to many managers there a manager for a manager for a manager on big money but it's the nurses who our really runing the wards

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I remember when Virgin brought the west coast line franchise Richard Branson on discovering that over 70 men where on triple lock pensions, which went to their wives on there death, healthcare paid by the employer, free travel for them and their families up to the age of 18, a wrath of benefits gained by the action of the winter of discontent, he wanted to back out of the deal.

Maggie then paid off theses 70 men and granted them early retirement, my dad included which is how I came to learn of the power of striking and the benefits which can be gain to improve lives.

Now the train managers are attempting to erode the rights gained not just in the railways, but healthcare bosses, royal mail bosses, the ports, Leagle profession, boarder force, airport staff, highways, firemen the list goes on all of theses profession are under attack on their work conditions, which threatens public safety.

tolerate this and yes its your children, grandchildren who will be next.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

fully support their right to strike.

They wouldnt be on stike if the Government would negotiate on pay but they completely refuse to do so.

Strike was called off in Scotland because the Scot Gov are at least negotiating.

I think the gov hiding behind this Independent Pay Review body is a cop out and who honestly believes that a body funded, appointed and has a mandate set by Gov is actually truely independent.

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By *rincess Peach xxCouple  over a year ago

leeds


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?"

Ambulance drivers?

I think you mean paramedics.

I can already see you are ill informed.

Yes they have every right to strike and I fully support all of the NHS strikes.

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By *rishman75Man  over a year ago

Chessington/epsom

yes I support the strikers and everyone deserves a better life

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By *uer MalusMan  over a year ago

Narnia

The state NHS machine is too expensive and while I will be shut down for saying it should be privatised, the package that state workers receive (including disproportionate pension) is too high for a socially funded system where the users can smoke, drink and be obese with no obligation to subsidise their poor choices.

Socialists thinking that the government has a magic money tree. Please get Labour into government asap as this bitching about Tories is lazy… let’s see how the left wing geniuses with ALL the answers sort this out.

Striking to help protect patients is like fucking to save virginity…

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By *J35mcrMan  over a year ago

Leigh

I don't think strikes achieve anything they only people against you. NHS workers should not have to strike they should be paid properly in the first place but I think nhs trust need to be completely overhauled, get rid of management let the medical professionals run there hospitals like they used to do when my nan was a matron.

Employ buyers who are experienced in negotiation to buy the drugs and equipment instead if just paying stupid prices over £5 for a box of paracetamol 25p in tesco

No wonder the NHS is hermeraging money

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By *rincess Peach xxCouple  over a year ago

leeds


"The state NHS machine is too expensive and while I will be shut down for saying it should be privatised, the package that state workers receive (including disproportionate pension) is too high for a socially funded system where the users can smoke, drink and be obese with no obligation to subsidise their poor choices.

Socialists thinking that the government has a magic money tree. Please get Labour into government asap as this bitching about Tories is lazy… let’s see how the left wing geniuses with ALL the answers sort this out.

Striking to help protect patients is like fucking to save virginity…

"

Look at how life expectancies and waiting lists have changed during the last 12 years.

What is lazy is blaming people who smoke and drink, that’s got to the most tired argument there is.

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By *rincess Peach xxCouple  over a year ago

leeds


"I don't think strikes achieve anything they only people against you. NHS workers should not have to strike they should be paid properly in the first place but I think nhs trust need to be completely overhauled, get rid of management let the medical professionals run there hospitals like they used to do when my nan was a matron.

Employ buyers who are experienced in negotiation to buy the drugs and equipment instead if just paying stupid prices over £5 for a box of paracetamol 25p in tesco

No wonder the NHS is hermeraging money

"

That’s funny because there is majority public support for the nhs strikes.

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By *mwirralMan  over a year ago

wirral

I agree they have the right to strike.

But my bigger concern is the overuse of the service, I was listening to the radio last night and they had some ambulance drivers on, who said its an emergency service but people call for ambulance for non life threatening issues such as dislocated shoulder.

People need to not abuse the service too

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Does it??? I seem to recall that we cover lots of other people's jobs but nobody covers ours? Tell me how it works both ways??

The reserves cover your jobs when needed. And many of them work in the NHS. I used to serve with an operating theatre technician. Lots of NHS staff were in Afghanistan and Iraq. "

They dont cover military jobs. They make up the numbers due to shortages.

The difference between a peace time military and military deployed on operations.

Especially skilled reservists like surgeons, anesthetists, nurses.

And its also beneficial to them. So many changes and improvements to medical procedures and emergency medicine are learned in combat theatres.

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By *izzy RascallMan  over a year ago

Cardiff

A lot of the NHS staff are striking over working conditions and you can't argue with them on that.

If they ain't going to stand up and say the system is fucked, who will?

Plus,let's not ignorant. They want more money aswell which the government refuse. OK, sort the conditions out then and then look at the money once the country's finances are better.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Do i agree with the NHS striking? Yes, i do. I work alongside the LAS (London Ambulance Service) and A&E staff a lot of the time.

I see how stretched frontline NHS staff are.

And the way Paramedics/ambulance technicians are treated by a lot of the public is disgraceful.

Seeing paramedics wearing stab vests speaks volumes.

And the LAS are bounced all over London.

Where i work in Camden, we've had LAS crews from as far away as Croydon and Sutton.

Do i agree with them striking now? At the busiest time of year?

Hmmmmm, im not entirely comfortable with that.

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By *uer MalusMan  over a year ago

Narnia


"The state NHS machine is too expensive and while I will be shut down for saying it should be privatised, the package that state workers receive (including disproportionate pension) is too high for a socially funded system where the users can smoke, drink and be obese with no obligation to subsidise their poor choices.

Socialists thinking that the government has a magic money tree. Please get Labour into government asap as this bitching about Tories is lazy… let’s see how the left wing geniuses with ALL the answers sort this out.

Striking to help protect patients is like fucking to save virginity…

Look at how life expectancies and waiting lists have changed during the last 12 years.

What is lazy is blaming people who smoke and drink, that’s got to the most tired argument there is. "

Sorry, along side the smokers, drinkers and obese, I forgot to include those able bodied people who are rather claiming benefits and those like the junkies I witnessed who were creating disruption in A&E at the Countess of Chester. There are more for sure but I am confident that they will be able to hide behind those defending the self entitled.

People are aging, true. People are also retiring earlier too… no tax revenue but continued drain on state funded services. More funds for more heads, yes. More funds to pay people higher wages, no. In Europe we are paying comparable wages… I man sure someone will cherry pick a specific country but the average should be the comparator for a state funded service.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I see that the odd one is saying we should go private these private company's our bleeding the nhs dry with the contracts there give to take the nhs patience. nhs cant cope there laughing all the way the bank and a lot of them wouldn't survive with out it should be putting that money back getting more staff

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Get back to work we are all suffering .

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

Yes, most definitely. It's an essential right that we all should have

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?"

YES WE SHOULD!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think stopping strikes is akin to charging humans for air, I support all the strikes and think they’re long overdue

We’re unfortunately ruled by nepotism with the mask of a government and it’s been running like a mafia for too many decades, left and right are as bad as each other, neither will put civilians over money, they’re both sides of the same coin, either way we’re screwed

Us fighting between ourselves rather than together works for them and the fact that you know who I mean by us and them just shows how normalised a ruling class is

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By *rincess Peach xxCouple  over a year ago

leeds


"I think stopping strikes is akin to charging humans for air, I support all the strikes and think they’re long overdue

We’re unfortunately ruled by nepotism with the mask of a government and it’s been running like a mafia for too many decades, left and right are as bad as each other, neither will put civilians over money, they’re both sides of the same coin, either way we’re screwed

Us fighting between ourselves rather than together works for them and the fact that you know who I mean by us and them just shows how normalised a ruling class is "

Divide and conquer.

Change only happens with organisation this is why the house always wins.

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By *hristopherd999Man  over a year ago

Brentwood

They shouldn't have to strike, they should be paid a decent wage in the first place along with all the emergency services

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By *atelotmanMan  over a year ago

Chatham


"Except us in the military, we don't have a say, we don't get to have a Christmas, our pay is worse than theirs but hey ho, we crack on. "

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple  over a year ago

Leeds

Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman  over a year ago

little house on the praire

Someone was telling me this morning they had to call an ambulance for an old lady the other day and had to wait 15 hrs for it and that wasn't a strike day

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr "

If only it were that easy eh?!

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By *iss KinkWoman  over a year ago

North West


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr "

What a great opinion to have. Not!

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

What a great opinion to have. Not!"

Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

What a great opinion to have. Not!

Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! "

It makes me think of the monkey in a box experiment with the ladder, they showed the animals giving punishment generations later even though the banana wasn’t there anymore, the older animals still punished the younger animals and none could go near the ladder even though it could easily have been pushed near the edge to escape, they didn’t

Just a thought

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By *lackshadow7Man  over a year ago

Toronto

Again, yes.

Next question.

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By *izzy RascallMan  over a year ago

Cardiff


"Again, yes.

Next question."

Why are they striking?

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By *tephTV67TV/TS  over a year ago

Cheshire

Not read the whole thread, but aren’t they Paramedics now, not just a driver of a vehicle ?

A bit more skilled.

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By *iss KinkWoman  over a year ago

North West


"Again, yes.

Next question.

Why are they striking?"

Stupid question of the day

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By *r Discreet 75Man  over a year ago

LIVERPOOL

I think everyone should have the right to strike .... I'm fully behind the nurses strike I'm not behind the rail strikes even though they don't effect me I know people who work on the trains I know how much they're on and their pensions are massive and they're tax payer funded pensions too

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By *izzy RascallMan  over a year ago

Cardiff


"Again, yes.

Next question.

Why are they striking?

Stupid question of the day "

To a man from Toronto who wanted another question.

Perhaps not :eyeroll emoji thing

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple  over a year ago

Leeds


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

What a great opinion to have. Not!

Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to! "

They chose that profession, they chose to commit their life to the cause, mr 30 years plus wasn’t forced into in by the people dying on the front room floor. Their decision so yes it is and plan as black and white you either pull you selves up and get on with the job or you fuck off. But they won’t do that. Because the wages are not that good, so here we are with people dying just so 30 years plus can keep up the payments on his Audi

The mr

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

What a great opinion to have. Not!

Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to!

They chose that profession, they chose to commit their life to the cause, mr 30 years plus wasn’t forced into in by the people dying on the front room floor. Their decision so yes it is and plan as black and white you either pull you selves up and get on with the job or you fuck off. But they won’t do that. Because the wages are not that good, so here we are with people dying just so 30 years plus can keep up the payments on his Audi

The mr "

Or his mortgage payments, or payments to keep his house warm, or payments to feed his kids

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By *iss KinkWoman  over a year ago

North West


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

What a great opinion to have. Not!

Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to!

They chose that profession, they chose to commit their life to the cause, mr 30 years plus wasn’t forced into in by the people dying on the front room floor. Their decision so yes it is and plan as black and white you either pull you selves up and get on with the job or you fuck off. But they won’t do that. Because the wages are not that good, so here we are with people dying just so 30 years plus can keep up the payments on his Audi

The mr

Or his mortgage payments, or payments to keep his house warm, or payments to feed his kids"

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By *evin90Man  over a year ago

London

I wouldn't say it's a good idea to strike at this present moment. But I understand the reason for the strike we can't blame them. Ambulance drive and nurses play a big rule in our lifes. So In the first place they shouldn't be striking over pay, but sadly enough they are underpaid.

The reason for this whole thing is that higher people in charge don't need to use the NHS or the ambulance services they can afford to go private . So you can see why there isn't a big rush to resolve anything.

Just be safe out there.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Flip the question, why is it sooooooooo controversial to want a living wage, an actual wage someone can live on AND put savings away, why side with multi million industries as opposed to your fellow human. If Nhs staff demand £100 an hour they’d be worth it and more

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"Not read the whole thread, but aren’t they Paramedics now, not just a driver of a vehicle ?

A bit more skilled. "

An interesting call I heard earlier - there are 3 groups in the actual vehicles including ambulance technicians and paramedics (I can't remember the 3rd). In a fully staffed service every ambulance would have at least one paramedic, but it's not fully staffed. Many ambulances have crews working beyond their pay grade and qualifications. That puts all of us at risk and is one of the factors in the dispute.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple  over a year ago

Leeds


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

What a great opinion to have. Not!

Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to!

They chose that profession, they chose to commit their life to the cause, mr 30 years plus wasn’t forced into in by the people dying on the front room floor. Their decision so yes it is and plan as black and white you either pull you selves up and get on with the job or you fuck off. But they won’t do that. Because the wages are not that good, so here we are with people dying just so 30 years plus can keep up the payments on his Audi

The mr

Or his mortgage payments, or payments to keep his house warm, or payments to feed his kids"

What do you mean the same as people who get paid a lot less than him, you know the kind of people he’s leaving laying half dead on the floor.

The mr

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

What a great opinion to have. Not!

Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to!

They chose that profession, they chose to commit their life to the cause, mr 30 years plus wasn’t forced into in by the people dying on the front room floor. Their decision so yes it is and plan as black and white you either pull you selves up and get on with the job or you fuck off. But they won’t do that. Because the wages are not that good, so here we are with people dying just so 30 years plus can keep up the payments on his Audi

The mr "

Mate...you are so far removed from reality that it's genuinely worrying.

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By *hyguy469Man  over a year ago

BROMSGROVE


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

What a great opinion to have. Not!

Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to!

They chose that profession, they chose to commit their life to the cause, mr 30 years plus wasn’t forced into in by the people dying on the front room floor. Their decision so yes it is and plan as black and white you either pull you selves up and get on with the job or you fuck off. But they won’t do that. Because the wages are not that good, so here we are with people dying just so 30 years plus can keep up the payments on his Audi

The mr

Or his mortgage payments, or payments to keep his house warm, or payments to feed his kids

What do you mean the same as people who get paid a lot less than him, you know the kind of people he’s leaving laying half dead on the floor.

The mr "

Aha, and now the guilt trip!

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By *izzy.Woman  over a year ago

Stoke area

I am 100% behind the strikes. Paramedics and ambulance technicians are unable to provide a decent standard of care as the service is so overstretched. Someone pointed out that people may die or suffer unnecessarily due to the strikes. But without taking this action, it will lead to countless deaths as the service just cannot cope.

Extra pay is not the most important issue for the Ambulance staff that I know. It's the impossible work load causing unsafe practices that is their reason for protest.

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By *oah VailMan  over a year ago

Dover


"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes."

Me too. Absolutely 100% behind them.

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple  over a year ago

Leeds


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

What a great opinion to have. Not!

Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to!

They chose that profession, they chose to commit their life to the cause, mr 30 years plus wasn’t forced into in by the people dying on the front room floor. Their decision so yes it is and plan as black and white you either pull you selves up and get on with the job or you fuck off. But they won’t do that. Because the wages are not that good, so here we are with people dying just so 30 years plus can keep up the payments on his Audi

The mr

Or his mortgage payments, or payments to keep his house warm, or payments to feed his kids

What do you mean the same as people who get paid a lot less than him, you know the kind of people he’s leaving laying half dead on the floor.

The mr

Aha, and now the guilt trip!"

Guilt trip about what ? I do apologise I forgot the fuel increase was only for paramedics oh and the post office, train drivers.

The mr

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By *hagTonight OP   Man  over a year ago

From the land of haribos.


"Do i agree with the NHS striking? Yes, i do. I work alongside the LAS (London Ambulance Service) and A&E staff a lot of the time.

I see how stretched frontline NHS staff are.

And the way Paramedics/ambulance technicians are treated by a lot of the public is disgraceful.

Seeing paramedics wearing stab vests speaks volumes.

And the LAS are bounced all over London.

Where i work in Camden, we've had LAS crews from as far away as Croydon and Sutton.

Do i agree with them striking now? At the busiest time of year?

Hmmmmm, im not entirely comfortable with that."

This and I agree with that too, that the timing of the strike isnt good during the festive period

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Never mind if people die. As long as they’ve got a few more quid in their pocket. I’m my opinion you chose the job you stick to it. Don’t like it find another. Don’t cry and demand better pay.

The mr

What a great opinion to have. Not!

Isn't it so one dimensional. If only people, who may have been in a particular profession for 30 plus years, could just click their fingers and change jobs when they wanted to!

They chose that profession, they chose to commit their life to the cause, mr 30 years plus wasn’t forced into in by the people dying on the front room floor. Their decision so yes it is and plan as black and white you either pull you selves up and get on with the job or you fuck off. But they won’t do that. Because the wages are not that good, so here we are with people dying just so 30 years plus can keep up the payments on his Audi

The mr

Or his mortgage payments, or payments to keep his house warm, or payments to feed his kids

What do you mean the same as people who get paid a lot less than him, you know the kind of people he’s leaving laying half dead on the floor.

The mr

Aha, and now the guilt trip!

Guilt trip about what ? I do apologise I forgot the fuel increase was only for paramedics oh and the post office, train drivers.

The mr "

m

If you were unionised you’d do the same.

If you’re not in a union that’s on you.

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By *ackformore100Man  over a year ago

Tin town


"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes.

Me too. Absolutely 100% behind them. "

And if your Mrs or mum or daughter were having a heart attack? I mean that's the issue isn't it?

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By *urious couple22Couple  over a year ago

Derby

Honestly, I'm on the bench when it comes to strike for my self if I'm not happy with the pay of a job, I will leave and find a better paying job.. I get what they are striking for and I have sympathy but then the other part is when you took that job you new what the pay was it would be for you to negotiate a higher rate or leave.. putting life's in danger isn't negotiation.

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South


"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes.

Me too. Absolutely 100% behind them.

And if your Mrs or mum or daughter were having a heart attack? I mean that's the issue isn't it? "

Well hopefully before I next need to call an ambulance the strikes will have had an effect, and some improvements will have been made to the service. Because if you need an ambulance now it's not guaranteed regardless of whether there is a strike or not. 12 years of cutting the service to bone to save 5p has led to this.

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By *r_North-EastMan  over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

Yes. Next question.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes.

Me too. Absolutely 100% behind them.

And if your Mrs or mum or daughter were having a heart attack? I mean that's the issue isn't it? "

No it's not, not today as there is in place with the unions and the health service local managers an undertaking that such as you say will be attended to by those on the picket line..

There's reports that's taken place in several areas, cat A life threatening are being attended..

The reality is today some trusts are reporting they are quieter so ironically waiting times might be less than normal for an ambulance today as on a normal day when it's common that ambulance crews are unable to attend calls they hear on the radio because they are waiting to clear at a hospital..

That is part of what they and their nursing staff colleagues are part fighting to address as well as the pay issue..

This whole issue is upon this government who seem ideologically decimating a service to prepare it for their friends and donors in the city to 'rescue'..

I stand with them..

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By *ellinever70Woman  over a year ago

Ayrshire


"Honestly, I'm on the bench when it comes to strike for my self if I'm not happy with the pay of a job, I will leave and find a better paying job.. I get what they are striking for and I have sympathy but then the other part is when you took that job you new what the pay was it would be for you to negotiate a higher rate or leave.. putting life's in danger isn't negotiation."

They're striking because negotiation isn't happening

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By *urious couple22Couple  over a year ago

Derby


"Honestly, I'm on the bench when it comes to strike for my self if I'm not happy with the pay of a job, I will leave and find a better paying job.. I get what they are striking for and I have sympathy but then the other part is when you took that job you new what the pay was it would be for you to negotiate a higher rate or leave.. putting life's in danger isn't negotiation.

They're striking because negotiation isn't happening "

But like I said, if negotiation doesn't work, you look for a job. When I take a job, I read the contract upon me taking that individual job. I agree to the terms and the pay if for whatever ever reason I therefore want more money then you negotiat or you leave but instead there making the decision to strike wherefore people may lose life's and although I agree the NHS needs much needed funding I just struggle to get my head around it now if they all quit then that's a different matter..

That's like me and you agreeing I will work for you for £9 pound an hour you put that in my contract but nothing about increases after a few year's I then want more money I ask for the pay rise you say no then I find a new job...

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By *lackshadow7Man  over a year ago

Toronto


"Honestly, I'm on the bench when it comes to strike for my self if I'm not happy with the pay of a job, I will leave and find a better paying job.. I get what they are striking for and I have sympathy but then the other part is when you took that job you new what the pay was it would be for you to negotiate a higher rate or leave.. putting life's in danger isn't negotiation.

They're striking because negotiation isn't happening

But like I said, if negotiation doesn't work, you look for a job. When I take a job, I read the contract upon me taking that individual job. I agree to the terms and the pay if for whatever ever reason I therefore want more money then you negotiat or you leave but instead there making the decision to strike wherefore people may lose life's and although I agree the NHS needs much needed funding I just struggle to get my head around it now if they all quit then that's a different matter..

That's like me and you agreeing I will work for you for £9 pound an hour you put that in my contract but nothing about increases after a few year's I then want more money I ask for the pay rise you say no then I find a new job..."

Are you so detatched from reality that you don’t know how any of this works?

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By *ilyWoman  over a year ago

Slough

I’m a nurse and voted to strike. It isn’t for pay !!!!!!

Nurse shortages are horrific. No one is joining the profession anymore because it means leaving university with a £50 grand debt. It’s seems nurses are also taking peoples advice and leaving the profession in droves. Unable to stand the pressure of poorly staffed wards. Patients are at the centre of everything we do and that includes striking. We are striking to improve overall safety. To stop the 13 hour wait in A&E or the 14 hour wait on the floor waiting for an ambulance. The government has pillaged the NHS for too long enough is enough

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By *astandFeistyCouple  over a year ago

Bournemouth


"I'm 100% behind every single one of those on strike, across all the sectors, and I'll accept any inconvenience or risk that brings, for as long as it takes.

Me too. Absolutely 100% behind them.

And if your Mrs or mum or daughter were having a heart attack? I mean that's the issue isn't it?

No it's not, not today as there is in place with the unions and the health service local managers an undertaking that such as you say will be attended to by those on the picket line..

There's reports that's taken place in several areas, cat A life threatening are being attended..

The reality is today some trusts are reporting they are quieter so ironically waiting times might be less than normal for an ambulance today as on a normal day when it's common that ambulance crews are unable to attend calls they hear on the radio because they are waiting to clear at a hospital..

That is part of what they and their nursing staff colleagues are part fighting to address as well as the pay issue..

This whole issue is upon this government who seem ideologically decimating a service to prepare it for their friends and donors in the city to 'rescue'..

I stand with them.."

This is also my understanding. I was talking to my brother tonight. He's a paramedic.

The issue seems to be waiting times at hospitals, ambulances waiting to be cleared is causing delays in calls being attended. He did say that they SWAST are not understaffed and its the hospitals that are the issue.

He had no issue with pay.

I would say though, he left the union years ago, for his own reasons.

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By *im RoyleCouple  over a year ago

chester

Yea!!!

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By *uninlondon69Man  over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

If a profession is too important to be allowed to strike then maybe they should be looked after a little bit better in the first place.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I’m a nurse and voted to strike. It isn’t for pay !!!!!!

Nurse shortages are horrific. No one is joining the profession anymore because it means leaving university with a £50 grand debt. It’s seems nurses are also taking peoples advice and leaving the profession in droves. Unable to stand the pressure of poorly staffed wards. Patients are at the centre of everything we do and that includes striking. We are striking to improve overall safety. To stop the 13 hour wait in A&E or the 14 hour wait on the floor waiting for an ambulance. The government has pillaged the NHS for too long enough is enough "

I can't possibly understand what it is like working in those conditions but I thank you and fully support your decision to strike.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Today, there will be a ambulance drivers strike and during this strike, nhs leaders urge the public to avoid risky activity.

I also heard on the news that the vulnerable and the elderly will be most at risk.

Many are blaming that it is due to the government that it have come to this.

What is your view, is it down to the government and what is it that the ambulance drivers want, is it about pay?

Whilst they are on strike, would it be a good idea to put in the military?

I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


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I don't believe in anyone striking. If you don't like the job then leave. People are just getting greedy. Take a look at the poor souls in the third world countries then tell me you are poor. People will die due to these strikes all for someone to get a little richer.

Without unions, we would still be working 12 hour days, 6.5 days a week. When food banks open in hospital for the staff then we have a problem. The press are trying to turn you against the people who you want to save a relative's life in the future, and you've fallen for it.

I have been an NHS worker for most of my life. I am not rich but I have everything I need and own my house, car and go on holiday each year. Never used a food bank but don't waste money on things I can't afford. People need to learn to budget their money better. "

I agree with you, i worked for the NHS for many years and the pay, conditions etc were very good.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Imagine being the type of person who doesn't support a strike for better pay? Ew.

Imagine being so greedy you want the money in your own bank rather than it be spent on social housing, education and tackling the UKs drug and mental health problems."

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By *hagTonight OP   Man  over a year ago

From the land of haribos.

Its been an interesting discussion everyone

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