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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

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By *enrietteandSamCouple over a year ago

Staffordshire

I hadn’t heard.

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. "

I can see that too. Still probably a little over the top when you throw in his bit about hating her, rose west etc etc

But all that aside, where has the racism stuff come from?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. "

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though "

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here"

Plenty of people haven't seen it

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either"

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

Plenty of people haven't seen it

Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT. "

Can you explain the humour, I didn't get it

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By *lynJMan over a year ago

Morden

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here"

I haven't seen GOT so didn't understand the reference.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to? "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

Plenty of people haven't seen it

I haven't seen it so would take his comment at face value. I have a great sense of humour but can't see anything funny about his comment.

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

I haven't seen GOT so didn't understand the reference."

Weirdly the millions that had seen it appear to have missed the reference until Clarkson explained it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

Plenty of people haven't seen it

Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too"

Please explain how you think making a women parade naked through the streets while people throw shot at her funny?

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism.

Hammer him all you want for the other stuff in the article, but other people's alleged racism towards her is nothing to do with him and should not be hung around his neck. It also serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of racism when slinging it around wildly like that

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

Plenty of people haven't seen it

Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too

Please explain how you think making a women parade naked through the streets while people throw shot at her funny?"

Would you feel the same if it was a man?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

Plenty of people haven't seen it

Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too

Please explain how you think making a women parade naked through the streets while people throw shot at her funny?

Would you feel the same if it was a man? "

Yes

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance"

Ah so there is it. We've entered the realm now of having to prove youre not something in case you are accused of it in the future, even though you make no such comment at that point in time.

Jesus, does anyone see how ridiculous that is?

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

Plenty of people haven't seen it

Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too

Please explain how you think making a women parade naked through the streets while people throw shot at her funny?

Would you feel the same if it was a man?

Yes "

Forgive my scepticism

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

Plenty of people haven't seen it

Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too"

Of course - the 'missing a sense of humour' argument. Good luck with that

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

Plenty of people haven't seen it

Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too

Of course - the 'missing a sense of humour' argument. Good luck with that

Boom boom!

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By *amesBeelzebubMan over a year ago

norwich

I don't think it was racist however someone can still be racist without saying the N word.

It's quite possible some people don't like Meghan because she has a black mum or because she's American but they won't make that reason obvious

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

"I don't think it was racist however someone can still be racist without saying the N word.

It's quite possible some people don't like Meghan because she has a black mum or because she's American but they won't make that reason obvious

It's also possible not to like her simply because she's a pain in the arse!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance"

What racist comments has he made in the past?

I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme.

And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists??

Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"I don't think it was racist however someone can still be racist without saying the N word.

It's quite possible some people don't like Meghan because she has a black mum or because she's American but they won't make that reason obvious

Its also possible to dislike her because she has 10 fingers and 10 toes, or because she wore purple nail polish, or because she hasnt descended from the klingon planet in star trek.

Shall i go on?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

Plenty of people haven't seen it

Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too

Please explain how you think making a women parade naked through the streets while people throw shot at her funny?

Would you feel the same if it was a man?

Yes

Forgive my scepticism "

Very unlikely that Clarkson would suggest this of man though! I wouldn't find it funny whoever aimed at.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance

What racist comments has he made in the past?

I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme.

And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists??

Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour.

Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance

Ah so there is it. We've entered the realm now of having to prove youre not something in case you are accused of it in the future, even though you make no such comment at that point in time.

Jesus, does anyone see how ridiculous that is? "

OP, i know we dont always see eye to eye in the forums, but you are spot on with this.

So, using his logic, your comment above we dont know if you had racist motives. But we also dont know you didnt either.

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By *mateur100Man over a year ago

nr faversham

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance

What racist comments has he made in the past?

I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme.

And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists??

Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour.

Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it"

You could just tell us

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance

What racist comments has he made in the past?

I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme.

And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists??

Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour.

Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it

You could just tell us"

Similarly you could explain the joke that we all failed to get?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it"

I remember the episode, but dont remember any commemt being made at the end. What was it??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism.

Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of:

A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments

B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past

Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance

Ah so there is it. We've entered the realm now of having to prove youre not something in case you are accused of it in the future, even though you make no such comment at that point in time.

Jesus, does anyone see how ridiculous that is?

OP, i know we dont always see eye to eye in the forums, but you are spot on with this.

So, using his logic, your comment above we dont know if you had racist motives. But we also dont know you didnt either."

Exactly. I could speaking about the tower of london or the grand canyon, but perhaps i was being racist instead. Whos to know?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it

I remember the episode, but dont remember any commemt being made at the end. What was it??"

I'd rather not repeat it but he said something seemingly off the cuff that was also a racial slur towards Asian people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance

What racist comments has he made in the past?

I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme.

And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists??

Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour.

Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it

You could just tell us"

Google is a thing

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism.

Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of:

A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments

B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past

Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt"

Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'??

What the hell has that got to do with him??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism.

Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of:

A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments

B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past

Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt

Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'??

What the hell has that got to do with him?? "

See A

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance

What racist comments has he made in the past?

I know of one when he used a very outdated rhyme.

And when has JC ever claimed to speak for older white male racists??

Ps...racists can be any age, and any colour.

In this very article he said all men hos age feel the same, or words to that effect.

The guy he decked for bringing the wrong food claimed a racist element in the comments accompanying the assault.

There were the comments about Thai people made on Top Gear, the comments made about Indians, the comments made about Muslim lesbians, about Burkhas...

But yeah definitely he's never made racist comments

Also. This was published in The Sun, hardly known for championing diversity

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism.

Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of:

A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments

B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past

Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt

Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'??

What the hell has that got to do with him??

See A"

First of all 'A' still is unclear,as comments above attest to.

Even if 'A' was a valid criticism, how does B have any relevance at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism.

Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of:

A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments

B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past

Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt

Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'??

What the hell has that got to do with him?? "

Its hilarious, isnt it.

Because white men his age have been racist about Meghan, then he automatically linked to them.

Im sure guys my age have also been racist, so clearly im linked to.

And im certain guys aged 27, the same as Yuletide, have said nasty racist comments too..

So, using his logic again...racist.

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By *inkyInkedBiWoman over a year ago

No matter wether it’s in reference to game of thrones or not - anyone that thinks saying that about Meghan is ok/a joke/in jest - is very much in the wrong.

No matter what you think about Meghan markle - what he said was abhorrent.

If it was said about any female relative/friend, it wouldn’t be right, it should’ve be any different towards Meghan. The fact she has more hatred and vitriol publicly towards her compared to Prince Andrew,speaks volumes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism.

Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of:

A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments

B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past

Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt

Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'??

What the hell has that got to do with him??

See A

First of all 'A' still is unclear,as comments above attest to.

Even if 'A' was a valid criticism, how does B have any relevance at all."

I've explained A in my initial comments where saying racism isn't always blatant and like a previous poster said, B refers to the fact he mentioned all men his age thought the same. But ok, fuck it. You're right. Well done. I'm done arguing about this as these people have no bearing on my life so I don't even know why my stupid pride dragged me into replying for this long

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism.

Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of:

A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments

B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past

Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt

Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'??

What the hell has that got to do with him??

Its hilarious, isnt it.

Because white men his age have been racist about Meghan, then he automatically linked to them.

Im sure guys my age have also been racist, so clearly im linked to.

And im certain guys aged 27, the same as Yuletide, have said nasty racist comments too..

So, using his logic again...racist."

Clarkson said that everyone his age felt the same about her!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No matter wether it’s in reference to game of thrones or not - anyone that thinks saying that about Meghan is ok/a joke/in jest - is very much in the wrong.

No matter what you think about Meghan markle - what he said was abhorrent.

Exactly this.

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman.

So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ultimately though, these comments at the very least normalise misogyny amd at worst normalise sexual violence against women. A woman is murdered somewhere in Britain once every 3 days. Last week Zara Aleena's murderer was shown to be predatoryly seeking a woman to murder on CCTV footage, any woman.

So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?"

I'm wondering the same, or will we get the usual 'not just women' comments.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"No matter wether it’s in reference to game of thrones or not - anyone that thinks saying that about Meghan is ok/a joke/in jest - is very much in the wrong.

No matter what you think about Meghan markle - what he said was abhorrent.

As i said, criticise all you want for the vitriol...but where has the racism accusaction come from?

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism.

Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of:

A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments

B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past

Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt

Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'??

What the hell has that got to do with him??

Its hilarious, isnt it.

Because white men his age have been racist about Meghan, then he automatically linked to them.

Im sure guys my age have also been racist, so clearly im linked to.

And im certain guys aged 27, the same as Yuletide, have said nasty racist comments too..

So, using his logic again...racist.

Clarkson said that everyone his age felt the same about her!"

Yes he did, and nowhere did he mention anything about her skin colour. Nor did he intimate it, suggest it etc

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By *inkyInkedBiWoman over a year ago

So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?"

This, exactly this

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?"

Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence.

They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?

Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence.

They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive"

Do you condemn Clarkson's comments?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

Sorry but thats just completely unreasonable. Hes allowed criticise someone without being accused of racism.

Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of:

A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments

B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past

Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt

Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'??

What the hell has that got to do with him??

Its hilarious, isnt it.

Because white men his age have been racist about Meghan, then he automatically linked to them.

Im sure guys my age have also been racist, so clearly im linked to.

And im certain guys aged 27, the same as Yuletide, have said nasty racist comments too..

So, using his logic again...racist.

Clarkson said that everyone his age felt the same about her!

Yes he did, and nowhere did he mention anything about her skin colour. Nor did he intimate it, suggest it etc"

Fair enough, this post had gone off topic in parts. I was just informing Boundabout that he dud acuse everyone of his age thinking the same about her.

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By *ackandtheunicornCouple over a year ago

liverpool

I haven't seen got either and there's absolutely no humour in his comments.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?

Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence.

They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive

Do you condemn Clarkson's comments?"

I find them over the top, unnecessary and incendiary. As well as unpleasant. Pub talk, which shouldnt have made it to a national newspaper

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?

Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence.

They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive"

We arent even defending his comments. As the OP said very early on.

We are clearly challenging the accusations and assumptions that its somehow racist.

And its a ridiculous comment to suggest that if guys support JC's comments, then they dont condone violence of any kind against women.

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?

Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence.

They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive

Do you condemn Clarkson's comments?

I find them over the top, unnecessary and incendiary. As well as unpleasant. Pub talk, which shouldnt have made it to a national newspaper"

It's not even pub talk is it.

What did you talk about in the pub last night? Oh the usual how I hate someone I've never met more than a serial child murderer and how it would be amazing for me to throw shit at her as she's abraded naked through the streets.

That's not am okay conversation.

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By *a LunaWoman over a year ago

South Wales

To be honest I think the only reason there is such an out cry at the moment is because Harry and Meghan are very much front and centre in the press.

The huge furore over their Netflix documentary has got people literally foaming at the mouth and people seem to be very anti Meghan or very Pro Meghan. There is no middle ground.

So this article (which I haven’t read and have no intention of doing so as I think he’s a plonker) has just added fuel to the already slowly smouldering fire of the Meghan Markle debate.

If the article had been about Katie Hopkins, I’m guessing folk wouldn’t be quite so publically outraged.

That said, I believe he has written what he has with the full knowledge of stirring things up, and is no doubt basking in the ire he has caused.

He’s not known to be a pleasant man. I don’t know why people are so surprised by his comments. Vote with your feet - walk away from viewing him, following him on social media etc. all this outpouring of indignation is just giving him the attention he KNEW it would create.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?

Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence.

They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive

We arent even defending his comments. As the OP said very early on.

We are clearly challenging the accusations and assumptions that its somehow racist.

And its a ridiculous comment to suggest that if guys support JC's comments, then they dont condone violence of any kind against women."

But anyone that does support his comments is condoning violence towards women, or one woman in particular!

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

So I'm wondering what those men (weirdly it's only men) defending Clarkson's comments think about sexual violence against women?

Im pretty sure 99.9999999999% of those men would strongly condemn any sexual violence.

They can still however detest Meghan markle. The two are mutually exclusive

Do you condemn Clarkson's comments?

I find them over the top, unnecessary and incendiary. As well as unpleasant. Pub talk, which shouldnt have made it to a national newspaper

It's not even pub talk is it.

That's not am okay conversation."

Ok thanks for that.

So are we agreed then, no racism?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah, but you're obviously looking at the article in a bubble without looking at the context of:

A) Clarkson's previous "subtle" racist comments

B) What men his age have said about Meghan in the past

Just because he didn't fully come out and say it, doesn't mean the motivations weren't there. Hence my original comment that racism isn't always overt

Ffs 'what men of his age have said about Meghan'??

What the hell has that got to do with him??

Its hilarious, isnt it.

Because white men his age have been racist about Meghan, then he automatically linked to them.

Im sure guys my age have also been racist, so clearly im linked to.

And im certain guys aged 27, the same as Yuletide, have said nasty racist comments too..

So, using his logic again...racist.

Clarkson said that everyone his age felt the same about her!

Yes he did, and nowhere did he mention anything about her skin colour. Nor did he intimate it, suggest it etc

Fair enough, this post had gone off topic in parts. I was just informing Boundabout that he dud acuse everyone of his age thinking the same about her."

Dont worry, i read his comments online. So know exactly what he said.

My issue was that another fabber posted "What men his (Clarksons) age have said about Meghan in the past", referring to racist comments and threats she has received. Apparently she only had them from white men the same age as JC.

So, i hope you understand why i took issue with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

You are correct no racist comments were made in this article. However Clarkson is a racist, Meghan Markle is a woman of colour. I'd say that's one reason he hates her enough to want to throw shit at her.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Come take your royals back they just liking the drama.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it? "

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist? "

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence"

You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence

You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?"

Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that.

You can say hes a prick if you like, for his comments. But to call him anything like what youre suggesting, in the absence of actual evidence, then you would need to know his motivation for saying those things and none of us can possibly know that unless he says so

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence

You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?

Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that.

If he's suggesting humiliation and violence towards a woman I'd say that was very misogynistic, but hey that's just my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence

You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?

Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that.

There's not really any need to read his mind when he spews it out so willingly. How could his casual linking of a murderer, a powerful politician and an actress who married into royalty, with nothing in common but their ovaries, not be construed as misogynistic? Leaving out the undertones of him lying in bed visualising Meghan be publicly humiliated naked.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence

You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?

Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that.

If he's suggesting humiliation and violence towards a woman I'd say that was very misogynistic, but hey that's just my opinion."

If it was BECAUSE shes a woman, then yes i would agree. But nowhere has he said that.

So once again, youre reaching into the realm of motivation, which you can't possibly know

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence

You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?

Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that.

See my comment above re motivation and us not possibly knowing this.

He has also stated many times in the past how he hates various cars, manufacturers, vehicle designers etc.

Are you going to attach an ism to them as well?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence

You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?

Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that.

If he's suggesting humiliation and violence towards a woman I'd say that was very misogynistic, but hey that's just my opinion.

If it was BECAUSE shes a woman, then yes i would agree. But nowhere has he said that.

So once again, youre reaching into the realm of motivation, which you can't possibly know"

And you are grasping at straws.

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence

You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?

Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that.

If he's suggesting humiliation and violence towards a woman I'd say that was very misogynistic, but hey that's just my opinion."

I think most people agree that a target where he mentions the women he hates is misogynistic, but obviously not all men do

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence

You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?

Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that.

See my comment above re motivation and us not possibly knowing this.

He has also stated many times in the past how he hates various cars, manufacturers, vehicle designers etc.

Are you going to attach an ism to them as well? "

Can you link an article where he has used as much vitriol and talk of violence about a car as he has in this instance when talking about an actual human being.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Amazing how you can say with such certainty that thing about him. Its so easy to say these days isnt it?

Oh come on. You are actually saying he isn't a racist?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever, and i dont make a habit of throwing such horrendous accusastions at people based on little to no actual evidence

You don't have an opinion based on news articles available? Would you say he's misogynistic or bigoted in anyway?

Once again, i dont know. Youre asking me to get inside the mans head and read his mind. I, nor anyone else, can do that.

See my comment above re motivation and us not possibly knowing this.

He has also stated many times in the past how he hates various cars, manufacturers, vehicle designers etc.

Are you going to attach an ism to them as well? "

If the actual words he speaks himself aren't enough to demonstrate his motivations, then I don't know what will be. Another nutter acting on them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Haven't read the article but...

Quite possibly he is merely a veteran broadcaster and professional wooden spoon aficionado who knows exactly what and how much he can and can't say in order to grab a headline and tend to the appetite of his aging fanbase whilst avoiding falling foul of legal eagles....

It's his bread and butter after all.

He could be guilty of a great many things. He might easily not think or feel negatively about any of the content. Or he could think the most offensive things you can imagine. Bottom line here.... it's not proven.

Either way, I get the point the OP is making. Setting aside Clarksons questionable journalism, it's a slippery slope to be judged on assumptions, inferences or facts NOT in evidence and what way is it to be living to be living in fear of extreme reactionary censure or being 'cancelled' on the drifting whimsy of 'fashionable' , 'permitted' thoughts.

It is right and just to guard against racism and such, never in question, but there is a need to take care and make sure we progress as a society and not be exchanging one oppression for another.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

I am just going to say 2 things here…

1)I heard a brilliant Irish expression yesterday that describes this perfectly……. “What do you expect from a pig but a grunt!”

2) the silence from the royal family is now deafening…. Replace the word Meghan with Kate and the shit would have hit the fan at Buckingham palace

Because we know how the British press have treated Meghan in the past I can see where there have been overtones of it in the past…. If you now want to give them the benefit of the doubt then fine but it doesn’t have to be overtly out there since Clarkson has form for pushing boundaries on race before with clever wording to give him plausible deniability!

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

I am just going to say 2 things here…

1)I heard a brilliant Irish expression yesterday that describes this perfectly……. “What do you expect from a pig but a grunt!”

2) the silence from the royal family is now deafening…. Replace the word Meghan with Kate and the shit would have hit the fan at Buckingham palace

Yes thr silence from Buckingham Palace is deafening. If this had been any other female member from the Royal family the reaction would have been huge. I'm that the police would be involved, I think we'd have had statements from the PM and the Royal Family would have definitely said something.

Meanwhile ITV have shrugged their shoulders about him presenting Millionaire and said its not relevant what he said in the press. The indifference from the establishment is staggering

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

I am just going to say 2 things here…

1)I heard a brilliant Irish expression yesterday that describes this perfectly……. “What do you expect from a pig but a grunt!”

2) the silence from the royal family is now deafening…. Replace the word Meghan with Kate and the shit would have hit the fan at Buckingham palace

Meanwhile ITV have shrugged their shoulders about him presenting Millionaire and said its not relevant what he said in the press. The indifference from the establishment is staggering "

With the establishment and the people all in charge of the media, men of Clarkson's age is it any surprise.

Even Laura Kuenssberg didn't have the guts to bring it up in her show, even though the Suns editor was there. Was it lack of guts..? Or instructions from above..?

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By *oiluvfunMan over a year ago

Penrith

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Throw enough shit, some of it will stick.

Oh, wait…….

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OP r u a racist?

Maybe u R or maybe u R not...!

A thieve doesn't walk into a shop & announce to owner they're about 2b swindled.

All over the World discrimination of some sorts exists hidden behind facade.

Clarkson's a CUNT period.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

I agree, we all know that Clarkson is a bully, at times violent has made racist comments in the past.

Wr also know that Meghan Markle has been subject to widespread abuse including racist comments.

We also know a lot of older white men have racist views abd Clarkson claims to speak for them.

So yeah, I think he needs to prove otherwise in this instance"

So a lot of older white men are racist. .

You can't beat a sweeping statement....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These threads, always the same outcome:

- Bizarrely, mostly started by white men. Why the obsession with race?

- The it can’t be racist, if it is then it means I am and might be outed one day posts.

- You can label all the abhorrent behaviours in the world including misogyny, bullying and aggression but you can’t name the racism because that is just playing the race card posts. My view, ‘race card’ fear is simply code for preparing your defence for the day your poorly disguised racist views are unmasked.

- You can dislike someone you know zero about and are unable to list any behaviours unique to them and somehow it not be able their physical form posts.

In the end, no one ever changes the other’s mind and the attempt to normalise racism to reduce OP’s anxiety finds them a few allies who agree but fortunately some who disagree. Back to the draw then where some continue to experience the harms of racism, some continue to not, some challenge and some claim a non existent neutral ground.

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By *ris GrayMan over a year ago

Dorchester

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here"
lol

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"So a lot of older white men are racist. .

You can't beat a sweeping statement...."

… if you know what a sweeping statement is…..

“ALL” older white men are racist would be a sweeping statement…..

“A lot” of older white men are racist is actually not a sweeping statement.. it may be a generalisation…

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just because something isn't overt, doesn't mean the intent isn't there. Sure, we don't know he had racist motives, but we don't know he didn't either

Thats an odd, and frankly worrying way of looking at something. So someone now has to actively say they're NOT something, for fear they will be accused of it? Where does that extend to?

It is when there's been previous of both his behaviour in general and the behaviour of others towards Meghan. Should be easy enough to say... "I wasn't trying to be racist, just an edgy knobend and it backfired." simple."
back fired I've never seen got or read is article still found it funny listening to all the end of worlders

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"So a lot of older white men are racist. .

You can't beat a sweeping statement....

… if you know what a sweeping statement is…..

“ALL” older white men are racist would be a sweeping statement…..

“A lot” of older white men are racist is actually not a sweeping statement.. it may be a generalisation… "

Regardless ..

There was no racism in Clarksons post. Was it nasty ..Yes .. About a female.. Yes . Does that make it necessarily misogynistic.. No . Is there a red under every bed .. No.

Should it of been printed ..

Definitely no ...

Was the GOT walk of shame an iconic scene .. definite yes.

Nothing else to see .. move among ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So a lot of older white men are racist. .

You can't beat a sweeping statement....

… if you know what a sweeping statement is…..

“ALL” older white men are racist would be a sweeping statement…..

“A lot” of older white men are racist is actually not a sweeping statement.. it may be a generalisation…

Regardless ..

There was no racism in Clarksons post. Was it nasty ..Yes .. About a female.. Yes . Does that make it necessarily misogynistic.. No . Is there a red under every bed .. No.

Should it of been printed ..

Definitely no ...

Was the GOT walk of shame an iconic scene .. definite yes.

Nothing else to see .. move among ...

Epic grandiosity, deciding for others when to stop and look. It must be boomers thing.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l.

He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l.

He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff"

Dangerous and hateful?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l.

He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff

Dangerous and hateful?"

Yeah putting it our there that it's acceptable to parade a woman naked and throw shit at her!! Sounds hateful to say the least.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l.

He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff

Dangerous and hateful?

Yeah putting it our there that it's acceptable to parade a woman naked and throw shit at her!! Sounds hateful to say the least."

Should GoT be banned

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l.

He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff

Dangerous and hateful?

Yeah putting it our there that it's acceptable to parade a woman naked and throw shit at her!! Sounds hateful to say the least.

Should GoT be banned "

I've never seen it but no of course not. I didn't say Clarkson should be banned either.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l.

He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff

Dangerous and hateful?

Yeah putting it our there that it's acceptable to parade a woman naked and throw shit at her!! Sounds hateful to say the least.

Should GoT be banned

I've never seen it but no of course not. I didn't say Clarkson should be banned either."

So if you have never seen the GOT walk of shame then you won't understand the parody .

If you can't see that then Tom can't help you .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Don't need to find anything that's not as awful about it, nor give it further attention l.

He should not be writing such dangerous, hateful stuff

Dangerous and hateful?

Yeah putting it our there that it's acceptable to parade a woman naked and throw shit at her!! Sounds hateful to say the least.

Should GoT be banned

I've never seen it but no of course not. I didn't say Clarkson should be banned either.

So if you have never seen the GOT walk of shame then you won't understand the parody .

If you can't see that then Tom can't help you . "

I don't need Tom's help thankfully

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

Well that was a successful thread.

So are we all agreed then:

Article unpleasant? Yes

Article racist? No

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Well that was a successful thread.

So are we all agreed then:

Article unpleasant? Yes

Article racist? No"

Agreed and if fabbers can't see that then Tom can't help them..

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Well that was a successful thread.

So are we all agreed then:

Article unpleasant? Yes

Article racist? No

Agreed and if fabbers can't see that then Tom can't help them.."

And for that, they would have my ultimate pity tom

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

I would just say plain vile!!

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"I would just say plain vile!! "

So not racist then? Agreed

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"Honest question, why is clarkson being accused of racism because of his article of markle?

Unpleasant? Yes. Vile? Fair enough. Reference to her race? Nope, no sign of it from what i could see

Don't see how it's unpleasant or vile. It's a jokey reference to GOT.

Is it? What about all the people that haven't seen that? Without any context (and even with the context) it's awful.

I can't see any element of racism in there though

Is there a person on the planet that hasn't see GOT? Or that doesn't have a sense of humour? Oh yes, they're on here

Plenty of people haven't seen it

Well good for them... maybe Santa can bring them a sense of humour for Christmas...or is that racist, offensive too"

I have a good sense of humour! But what he said was in ant way funny?

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"I would just say plain vile!!

So not racist then? Agreed"

I think he probably is racist. He has all the hallmarks -a sexist old wanker ,, let’s just assume he is racist until he makes a statement saying he isn’t and apologises for existing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To be honest I think it's far more cynical.

He knows what's going to generate clicks and content and appeal to his fanbase/readership.

I'm actually not sure which is worse

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"I would just say plain vile!!

So not racist then? Agreed

I think he probably is racist. He has all the hallmarks -a sexist old wanker ,, let’s just assume he is racist until he makes a statement saying he isn’t and apologises for existing.

Nah i dont think we can do that.

No more than we can assume youre a paedophile

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"I would just say plain vile!!

So not racist then? Agreed

I think he probably is racist. He has all the hallmarks -a sexist old wanker ,, let’s just assume he is racist until he makes a statement saying he isn’t and apologises for existing.

Nah i dont think we can do that.

No more than we can assume youre a paedophile "

He was funny when benny hill and Jim Davidson were, he really needs putting out to rest now.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman over a year ago

ashford

"I would just say plain vile!!

So not racist then? Agreed"

Yes for once agreed! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night.

The Patron Saint of all Assholes..

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By *otdave75Man over a year ago

Chandlers Ford

"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night.

The Patron Saint of all Assholes.."

He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal.

Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night.

The Patron Saint of all Assholes..

He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal.

Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human."

Agree with your last point, but it seems one person has become public enemy no 1 for having one. Is it because she's a woman and should know her place.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night.

The Patron Saint of all Assholes..

He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal.

Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human.

Agree with your last point, but it seems one person has become public enemy no 1 for having one. Is it because she's a woman and should know her place."

Are you referring to meghan?

If so, then no i dont think thats anything to do with her gender. Moreso that shes a liar and also appears to be a horrible narcissist

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Clarkson, like Morgan have let the mask slip. Reference the Ant and Dec prank and the breakfast live exit.

Our problem, we let them back in. Rewarding horrible people is Britain's biggest problem and a appalling example to all.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Has be apologised and have Harry and Megs commented?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night.

The Patron Saint of all Assholes..

He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal.

Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human.

Agree with your last point, but it seems one person has become public enemy no 1 for having one. Is it because she's a woman and should know her place.

Are you referring to meghan?

If so, then no i dont think thats anything to do with her gender. Moreso that shes a liar and also appears to be a horrible narcissist "

And you know how, I take its inside knowledge, like a friend of friend knows her.

From the the abuse on social media by like Jezza says guys his age, she must be the worst person since Hitler.

But anyway you know so much about her, ill take your word for it.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night.

The Patron Saint of all Assholes..

He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal.

Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human.

Agree with your last point, but it seems one person has become public enemy no 1 for having one. Is it because she's a woman and should know her place.

Are you referring to meghan?

If so, then no i dont think thats anything to do with her gender. Moreso that shes a liar and also appears to be a horrible narcissist

And you know how, I take its inside knowledge, like a friend of friend knows her.

From the the abuse on social media by like Jezza says guys his age, she must be the worst person since Hitler.

But anyway you know so much about her, ill take your word for it."

I said shes a liar, which is a fact, from both documentary and oprah interview.

I then said she appears to be a narcissist, which is an opinion. Nowhere have i said anything that requires me to have inside knowledge of her

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Best description of Clarkson was on Dead Ringers last night.

The Patron Saint of all Assholes..

He’s certainly my patron saint, think he’s brilliant, though he shouldn’t get too personal.

Everyone has an opinion, some we agree with some we don’t, that’s what makes us human.

Agree with your last point, but it seems one person has become public enemy no 1 for having one. Is it because she's a woman and should know her place.

Are you referring to meghan?

If so, then no i dont think thats anything to do with her gender. Moreso that shes a liar and also appears to be a horrible narcissist

And you know how, I take its inside knowledge, like a friend of friend knows her.

From the the abuse on social media by like Jezza says guys his age, she must be the worst person since Hitler.

But anyway you know so much about her, ill take your word for it.

I said shes a liar, which is a fact, from both documentary and oprah interview.

I then said she appears to be a narcissist, which is an opinion. Nowhere have i said anything that requires me to have inside knowledge of her"

You are bananas Sir..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh good God, is this still limping on?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Oh good God, is this still limping on?"

Other threads out there..

Enjoy and embrace them x

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it

I remember the episode, but dont remember any commemt being made at the end. What was it??"

He made a racial slur and did his usual "it was an innocent mistake / joke" routine afterwards. Just like he did in his article. His response to the uproar - even from his own daughter - was completely disingenuous.

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Check out when they built a bridge in the Burma special and the comment he made when they finished it

I remember the episode, but dont remember any commemt being made at the end. What was it??

You are critical of his daughter ?

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"He made a racial slur and did his usual "it was an innocent mistake / joke" routine afterwards. Just like he did in his article. His response to the uproar - even from his own daughter - was completely disingenuous.

You are critical of his daughter ?"

Where on earth did you get that from tommy?

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

You are critical of his daughter ?

Where on earth did you get that from tommy? "

Oops Tom misread soz.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You are critical of his daughter ?

Where on earth did you get that from tommy?

Oops Tom misread soz. "

We Stan a King who admits his mistakes

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