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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
A 97 year old woman who was 18 when she worked as a typist at a Na zi concentration camp has been given a two year suspended sentence. Should it ha been an actual sentence behind bars. Does the punishment fit the crime? |
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"A 97 year old woman who was 18 when she worked as a typist at a Na zi concentration camp has been given a two year suspended sentence. Should it ha been an actual sentence behind bars. Does the punishment fit the crime?"
Not seen the story, was she complicit in the deaths? Was she forced to work in the concentration camps.
Not all German soldiers and military staff were Nazis.
I had a friend who was a prisoner in the death camps, and he said not all the soldiers were bad. Some were scared for their own life if they didn't do as they were told.
I never understand man's cruelty to man  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The vast majority of Nazis and those involved in the Holocaust were never charged with anything, in fact many of them prospered in post war German. These ancient prosecutions of minor officials seem like gesture politics. |
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"When she was 18 she probably didn't know any better tbh ..
She's 97 ffs just leave her be I say  "
I think that’s total crap, at 18 many German youth were in the Wehrmacht or SS fighting on the front, she knew what was going on and turned a blind eye to it.
What makes it far worse was that she was the assistant of the camp commander so she fully knew what was going on and aided it. |
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"The vast majority of Nazis and those involved in the Holocaust were never charged with anything, in fact many of them prospered in post war German. These ancient prosecutions of minor officials seem like gesture politics."
There can't be that many left alive who where in a position to actually influence what happened or old enough to have known better.
I'd say at 97 anything they do is hardly going to make a difference to the person in question.
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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I guess it depends on exactly what she did and whether she had much choice.
But in general being old and frail shouldn’t mean you avoid being brought to justice and pay for your crimes.
The country itself was guilty before individual people. Have you see the movie The Reader ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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But what crime did she commit? An 18 year old girl would be terrified in the circumstance! And she's lived with what should have witnessed for over 80 years |
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It’s more important that it is recognised that she is guilty, not necessarily about putting her behind bars.
She should not go to her grave without her knowing that the world knows what she is.
It’s symbolic.
Such a shame Jimmy Saville wasn’t outed for the monster he was before he died, rather than being laid in state at Leeds town hall. It would have been some justice for him to know he hadn’t got away with it completely! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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But what crime did she commit? An 18 year old girl would be terrified in the circumstance! And she's lived with what should have witnessed for over 80 years |
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"But what crime did she commit? An 18 year old girl would be terrified in the circumstance! And she's lived with what should have witnessed for over 80 years "
She was tried on, and convicted, of aiding the death camps. Being the assistant of the camp commander is pretty much as close to the top as you can get. |
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The extermination of the Jews by Germany did not start overnight. This was the culmination of several years of propaganda by Hitler and his crew. As a consequence even ordinary Germans had been, to some extent, gaslighted into believing the Jews were an evil group.
That coupled with threats to their own life, e.g. "You are defending the Jews? You must be a Jew!" That made it hard to stand against the Government's position.
We see the same in the USA today where hard line Trump supporters cannot tell truth from fiction (e.g. Tucker Carlson) so if the oppose them they turn on you. So as an 18 year old girl her personal responsibility may be limited. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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god will cut em down...
there needs to be justice.. but as futile as it is I dont think she'll have long to go anyway
remember the locherbie bomber let out on compassionate grounds then didn't die for years...
its a hard call |
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"A 97 year old woman who was 18 when she worked as a typist at a Na zi concentration camp has been given a two year suspended sentence. Should it ha been an actual sentence behind bars. Does the punishment fit the crime?"
Should have her out doing community service....ok..maybe not. But could possibly see how she feels about it now and use it to help educate youngsters going down that route... (mounties always get their man etc) |
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"Yes, as it sends a message to the present and future generations that war crimes will not be overlooked. "
Other than the fact that they are... And continue to be... In middle East, in Ukraine, in Afghanistan, in Kuwait and Iraq, in guantanamo.... Would have some credibility if they arrested Putin or Blair or Bush |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If you were in a similar position within an extreme brutal regime and remember it was 80 years ago, not today, would you as an 18 Yr old girl stood up to the Commondant and said something? I doubt very much you would as you knew you'd be up next.
If you were a person who possibly lost relatives during the Holocaust then I'm damn sure you'd want justice and see the lady properly prosecuted.
Jailing her serves no purpose at all. As previously stated I think she should be educating the future populations about the wrongs that were done and how it should never happen on an industrial level.
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
I hope every minute of the last 80 years has been lived with guilt of what she was complicit to. That's a far worse sentence than any court could impose.
I think it's right there was a trial, we are reaching a point where there are very, very few survivors of the death camps (on either side) and its important that we remember what happened and that means we can't turn a blind eye to those that were complicit, in anyway, to the deaths. But a custodial sentence would have been inhumane, the jesters of a suspended sentence completely appropriate |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"I hope every minute of the last 80 years has been lived with guilt of what she was complicit to. That's a far worse sentence than any court could impose.
I think it's right there was a trial, we are reaching a point where there are very, very few survivors of the death camps (on either side) and its important that we remember what happened and that means we can't turn a blind eye to those that were complicit, in anyway, to the deaths. But a custodial sentence would have been inhumane, the jesters of a suspended sentence completely appropriate"
The jesters ? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"I hope every minute of the last 80 years has been lived with guilt of what she was complicit to. That's a far worse sentence than any court could impose.
I think it's right there was a trial, we are reaching a point where there are very, very few survivors of the death camps (on either side) and its important that we remember what happened and that means we can't turn a blind eye to those that were complicit, in anyway, to the deaths. But a custodial sentence would have been inhumane, the jesters of a suspended sentence completely appropriate
The jesters ?"
Gesture.
Not sure what autocorrect did there |
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I remember reading somewhere that IBM had installed early computing systems at concentration camps and that technicians from the states actually set them up.
Not sure if true but if it is then should IBM not be prosecuted somehow? |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"I hope every minute of the last 80 years has been lived with guilt of what she was complicit to. That's a far worse sentence than any court could impose.
I think it's right there was a trial, we are reaching a point where there are very, very few survivors of the death camps (on either side) and its important that we remember what happened and that means we can't turn a blind eye to those that were complicit, in anyway, to the deaths. But a custodial sentence would have been inhumane, the jesters of a suspended sentence completely appropriate
The jesters ?
Gesture.
Not sure what autocorrect did there "
You said, jesters tho |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I remember reading somewhere that IBM had installed early computing systems at concentration camps and that technicians from the states actually set them up.
Not sure if true but if it is then should IBM not be prosecuted somehow?"
I believe a case was brought against IBM for their role in the administration of the camps by supplying counting machines. |
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