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The story is here.
The headline is woman who gets tapped on backside with ruler wins 90k settlement. However as you read on, it has more layers to it. What are your thoughts? It seems we still have a long way to go.
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I'm speechless.
How can anyone think touching / hitting someone like that is acceptable at work. It's unforgivable.
The "Provocation" point is BS.
I hope the women in question is able to move on.
If someone had tried that with me, I'd be explaining to a tribunal why I'd punched them. |
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I have so many thoughts on this. I read only the link you shared.
I'm interested in the word you use 'tapped' which wasn't in the article.
I'm also interested in the lack of information regarding events prior to her being SLAPPED.
I don't really need to know any more info to know that any manager who allows situations like this to occur or who doesn't check their own behaviour and make efforts to protect all of their staff regardless of gender , shouldn't be in a managerial position.
Good for her. Hope she has a new job and is treated as a professional person. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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The article is shocking. For a manager to stand her up in a meeting, slap her arse and then say he couldn't resist is awful. For the company to imply she provoked it through her dress sense is even worse. And for the perpetrator to nor br dismissed and fir it to be witnesses by another manager, it's unbelievable.
The amount is surprising but deserved. I suspect from the article that she was possibly young and quite junior and the amount potentially takes that in to account |
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Utterly humiliating!!
Unspeakable behaviour by the perpetrator.
Do I think the level of compensation is fair and reasonable? Based on the information in that brief article, no. Maybe it’s a years salary for her.
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Does anybody know, if / when you apply for your next job, if that sort of history needs to be disclosed.? Trouble is, if that is the case, regardless of the fact the people in the room and the company's response were very wrong... Does it stick with her forever to her disadvantage? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Does anybody know, if / when you apply for your next job, if that sort of history needs to be disclosed.? Trouble is, if that is the case, regardless of the fact the people in the room and the company's response were very wrong... Does it stick with her forever to her disadvantage? "
It's not sonething you have to disclose, but you may need to in order to explain a gap in employment or why you resigned from the job.
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What numpties, the managers harassed her and then wanted to take her out for coffee & gaslighting? I suspect the company is a big one and the high £££££ is reflective of that, and of the fact that their procedures suck (they OKed the behaviour during the incident, and then utterly failed to resolve it internally). |
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Many years ago, one of the chefs at the hotel thought it would be 'funny' to grab my arse as he squeezed past me. Gave him 1 warning, he did it again I hit him in the face with a heavy frying pan and broke his nose.
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"Many years ago, one of the chefs at the hotel thought it would be 'funny' to grab my arse as he squeezed past me. Gave him 1 warning, he did it again I hit him in the face with a heavy frying pan and broke his nose.
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Probably not the recommended course of action |
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"Many years ago, one of the chefs at the hotel thought it would be 'funny' to grab my arse as he squeezed past me. Gave him 1 warning, he did it again I hit him in the face with a heavy frying pan and broke his nose.
Probably not the recommended course of action "
Folks have a different way of doing things round here. |
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"Many years ago, one of the chefs at the hotel thought it would be 'funny' to grab my arse as he squeezed past me. Gave him 1 warning, he did it again I hit him in the face with a heavy frying pan and broke his nose.
Probably not the recommended course of action "
Probably not but I bet he’d think twice about doing it to anyone else. |
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"I think the way the company reacted says alot about them & the way they treat staff."
What's hard to believe (and not suggesting it didn't happen) is that none of the other staff members a tthe meeting thought there was anything wrong with the behaviour, or they'd have backed he up. Shows mob behaviour and mentality. |
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"I'm surprised at the amount awarded.
I'm not surprised it happened.
Yeah this. How the hell did she get such a high settlement!?"
Is that all you take from it? She was awarded what the tribunal decided, she didn't ask for a specific sum. That's how tribunals work. It would look at things like lost wages, inconvenience and time taken in attending meetings/hearings to resolve and an award for injury to feelings/distress caused.
She deserves every penny. Behaviour as described in the article is abhorrent and businesses that encourage or allow it SHOULD be hauled over the coals. |
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When I first left school I got a Saturday job working in a bakery which was predominantly women who thought it was funny to try and embarrass me and the 3 lads of a similar age with questions like are you still a virgin etc etc to be honest I laughed it if I was also flashed at she had just had a boob job and thought it was ok to whip them out in the canteen to show the other lady’s wasn’t bothered that we where sat in there imagine a bloke lobbing his cock out in front of women but i suppose back then stuff like that went on all over maybe I could put a claim in some of the things I heard and what they thought of their husbands it was certainly an eye opener  |
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Headlines like this are utterly shite to.
Making it seem trivial.
Not only was the actual incident unbelievable but the way the company handled it after was
Imagine a less confident more vulnerable employee, the would have been manipulated into accepting it and blaming themselves |
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"When I first left school I got a Saturday job working in a bakery which was predominantly women who thought it was funny to try and embarrass me and the 3 lads of a similar age with questions like are you still a virgin etc etc to be honest I laughed it if I was also flashed at she had just had a boob job and thought it was ok to whip them out in the canteen to show the other lady’s wasn’t bothered that we where sat in there imagine a bloke lobbing his cock out in front of women but i suppose back then stuff like that went on all over maybe I could put a claim in some of the things I heard and what they thought of their husbands it was certainly an eye opener "
That behaviour wasn't acceptable either and I certainly wouldn't expect anything like that to occur. I know such behaviour would have a very dim view taken of it at my workplace. Ditto slapping people with rulers etc. Both utterly unacceptable. |
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"When I first left school I got a Saturday job working in a bakery which was predominantly women who thought it was funny to try and embarrass me and the 3 lads of a similar age with questions like are you still a virgin etc etc to be honest I laughed it if I was also flashed at she had just had a boob job and thought it was ok to whip them out in the canteen to show the other lady’s wasn’t bothered that we where sat in there imagine a bloke lobbing his cock out in front of women but i suppose back then stuff like that went on all over maybe I could put a claim in some of the things I heard and what they thought of their husbands it was certainly an eye opener
That behaviour wasn't acceptable either and I certainly wouldn't expect anything like that to occur. I know such behaviour would have a very dim view taken of it at my workplace. Ditto slapping people with rulers etc. Both utterly unacceptable. "
it was the mid 90s and was probably the norm in most workplaces for both male and female but looking back it does make you think did I feel violated? No but I’d imagine a young lady in the same environment I was in with males would of been quite daunting the sad thing is it seems we haven’t really moved on when it comes to workplace behaving |
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"When I first left school I got a Saturday job working in a bakery which was predominantly women who thought it was funny to try and embarrass me and the 3 lads of a similar age with questions like are you still a virgin etc etc to be honest I laughed it if I was also flashed at she had just had a boob job and thought it was ok to whip them out in the canteen to show the other lady’s wasn’t bothered that we where sat in there imagine a bloke lobbing his cock out in front of women but i suppose back then stuff like that went on all over maybe I could put a claim in some of the things I heard and what they thought of their husbands it was certainly an eye opener
That behaviour wasn't acceptable either and I certainly wouldn't expect anything like that to occur. I know such behaviour would have a very dim view taken of it at my workplace. Ditto slapping people with rulers etc. Both utterly unacceptable. it was the mid 90s and was probably the norm in most workplaces for both male and female but looking back it does make you think did I feel violated? No but I’d imagine a young lady in the same environment I was in with males would of been quite daunting the sad thing is it seems we haven’t really moved on when it comes to workplace behaving "
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By *erces LetiferMan
over a year ago
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"Is that all you take from it?"
From the OP and skimming the comments? Yeah, pretty much.
"She was awarded what the tribunal decided, she didn't ask for a specific sum. That's how tribunals work. It would look at things like lost wages, inconvenience and time taken in attending meetings/hearings to resolve and an award for injury to feelings/distress caused."
Never said she asked for anything. And actually, it's my own personal experience with employment tribunals and the claims court system that factors into my surprise at the amount awarded here.
"She deserves every penny. Behaviour as described in the article is abhorrent and businesses that encourage or allow it SHOULD be hauled over the coals."
Again, not having followed the actual link I'm happy to take your and the other comments word for it and agree here. I never suggested otherwise. |
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In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years. |
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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago
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lets be very very clear here Sexual harassment is not a one gender problem ..
in the company i run there are 327 staff in the 7 years ive been running it ive only had to deal with 2 Sexual harassment complaints and both have been against women ... now only 62 staff are male so men are the minority
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years."
That's good for you but it doesn't mean that it's ok for men to sexually assault all women just because some like it! |
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years.
That's good for you but it doesn't mean that it's ok for men to sexually assault all women just because some like it!"
good for me ? Imagine sending you’re 16 yr old into an environment like that but good job I’m male so it doesn’t matter I suppose? So was it ok for the women I mentioned to behave the way they did ? |
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years.
That's good for you but it doesn't mean that it's ok for men to sexually assault all women just because some like it!"
I didn't say that  |
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years.
That's good for you but it doesn't mean that it's ok for men to sexually assault all women just because some like it! good for me ? Imagine sending you’re 16 yr old into an environment like that but good job I’m male so it doesn’t matter I suppose? So was it ok for the women I mentioned to behave the way they did ?"
Did you mean to quote my post? I didn't quote yours. |
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years.
That's good for you but it doesn't mean that it's ok for men to sexually assault all women just because some like it! good for me ? Imagine sending you’re 16 yr old into an environment like that but good job I’m male so it doesn’t matter I suppose? So was it ok for the women I mentioned to behave the way they did ?
Did you mean to quote my post? I didn't quote yours."
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years.
That's good for you but it doesn't mean that it's ok for men to sexually assault all women just because some like it! good for me ? Imagine sending you’re 16 yr old into an environment like that but good job I’m male so it doesn’t matter I suppose? So was it ok for the women I mentioned to behave the way they did ?
Did you mean to quote my post? I didn't quote yours.
sorry my mistake I apologise "
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"lets be very very clear here Sexual harassment is not a one gender problem ..
in the company i run there are 327 staff in the 7 years ive been running it ive only had to deal with 2 Sexual harassment complaints and both have been against women ... now only 62 staff are male so men are the minority
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This is true. In my time I’ve seen more inappropriate behaviour towards men than I have towards women on nights out. Touching, bum slapping, inappropriate comments etc. men seem to accept it whilst probably really embarrassed and cringing inside. They shouldn’t have to.
Don’t know anything about this case in the op btw as haven’t read anything but you’re correct in your comment for sure. |
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years.
That's good for you but it doesn't mean that it's ok for men to sexually assault all women just because some like it! good for me ? Imagine sending you’re 16 yr old into an environment like that but good job I’m male so it doesn’t matter I suppose? So was it ok for the women I mentioned to behave the way they did ?
Did you mean to quote my post? I didn't quote yours.
sorry my mistake I apologise
No worries. "
I could blame the beer but I don’t drink perhaps I need a break from here for tonight |
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"I'm surprised at the amount awarded.
I'm not surprised it happened.
Yeah this. How the hell did she get such a high settlement!?"
I don't know how employment law in the UK works so could be way off but I'm assuming it will relate to her loss of earnings |
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"lets be very very clear here Sexual harassment is not a one gender problem ..
in the company i run there are 327 staff in the 7 years ive been running it ive only had to deal with 2 Sexual harassment complaints and both have been against women ... now only 62 staff are male so men are the minority
This is true. In my time I’ve seen more inappropriate behaviour towards men than I have towards women on nights out. Touching, bum slapping, inappropriate comments etc. men seem to accept it whilst probably really embarrassed and cringing inside. They shouldn’t have to.
Don’t know anything about this case in the op btw as haven’t read anything but you’re correct in your comment for sure. "
I'm not sure it happens more but it certainly happens.
And not all of us just accept it. It's of course unacceptable, however I can also understand how it is less intimidating or carries less of a threat of escalation when it happens to us which explains a little bit if the different reaction |
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years."
That's very true, and what some consider to be sexual assault may not be the same for all people. But all people should be able to go about their work without feeling or the threat of assault....and in an ideal world, be supported by their boss, in the event they need it. |
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So if I "dressed and behaved in a provocative manner" and my boss slapped me on the arse with a ruler I'd get 90 thousand pounds!
Sounds like a good deal to me |
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"lets be very very clear here Sexual harassment is not a one gender problem ..
in the company i run there are 327 staff in the 7 years ive been running it ive only had to deal with 2 Sexual harassment complaints and both have been against women ... now only 62 staff are male so men are the minority
This is true. In my time I’ve seen more inappropriate behaviour towards men than I have towards women on nights out. Touching, bum slapping, inappropriate comments etc. men seem to accept it whilst probably really embarrassed and cringing inside. They shouldn’t have to.
Don’t know anything about this case in the op btw as haven’t read anything but you’re correct in your comment for sure.
I'm not sure it happens more but it certainly happens.
And not all of us just accept it. It's of course unacceptable, however I can also understand how it is less intimidating or carries less of a threat of escalation when it happens to us which explains a little bit if the different reaction"
Probably doesn’t happen more. I’m saying in my experience I’ve seen it more. But I’m sure we all have different ideas of what is and isn’t appropriate. |
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years."
These days it's gone like America where people look for a way to claim money for whatever they can.
Although I think it's wrong to do that. It's all about the money now. |
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years.
These days it's gone like America where people look for a way to claim money for whatever they can.
Although I think it's wrong to do that. It's all about the money now."
Ya bring back the days when I donr have to compensate teenage employees for slapping their ass without consent.
The games gone Clive...its gone |
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"More to this story than meets the eye.. "
Very telling that you post daily expecting the worst of health care professionals, scientists, teachers, striking workers etc, but assume there MUST be another side to a sex abuse case. |
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"More to this story than meets the eye..
Very telling that you post daily expecting the worst of health care professionals, scientists, teachers, striking workers etc, but assume there MUST be another side to a sex abuse case."
More to this post than meets the eye .. |
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"More to this story than meets the eye..
Very telling that you post daily expecting the worst of health care professionals, scientists, teachers, striking workers etc, but assume there MUST be another side to a sex abuse case."
Tom isn't a fan of tribunals...
Plus I think she was french |
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"More to this story than meets the eye..
Very telling that you post daily expecting the worst of health care professionals, scientists, teachers, striking workers etc, but assume there MUST be another side to a sex abuse case.
Tom isn't a fan of tribunals...
Plus I think she was french"
Was it the beret and breton shirt that gave it away? Or the garlic breath? |
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"In my first job when I was 16 yrs old I would get my arse slapped as I was bent over filing, as my boss went past me in his wheelchair. It's just what happened. I never felt violated or upset by it though. People's perceptions have changed a lot over the years.
These days it's gone like America where people look for a way to claim money for whatever they can.
Although I think it's wrong to do that. It's all about the money now.
Ya bring back the days when I donr have to compensate teenage employees for slapping their ass without consent.
The games gone Clive...its gone "
Really you think so ? |
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