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An elderly relative seems to have succumbed to this news station on the TV and appears to have been "radicalised" somewhat by their constant stream of invectiveness.
It's getting harder and harder to bite one's lip and nod and smile. "That nice man Farage was on yesterday and he said.."
I feel we have a duty of care to our "oldsters" to prevent them falling deep down such rabbit holes, but the TV is the only company they keep due to geographical location, and they are housebound.
It's ironic really.
They probably worried about me when I was younger, what with all the temptations for youngsters...drugs (nope never did), trouble with the law (nope), wrong sort of company (ok, I'll 'fess up to that. We did used to meet up to listen to Bauhaus or Sisters of Mercy and read Byron or Poe and drink Snakebite). But apart from a frightfully UMC upbringing, not much went on.
They did steer me well through what could have been challenging times.
So it does break my heart a little to hear a weekly litany of vitriol directed to whoever GB News has been hating on that week.
How do others cope with wayward and impressionable kin such as this ?
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I don’t think there’s much you can do. I have an elderly relative that would sooner believe the dross and misinformation they read in the Daily Mail than ask someone who is directly employed in the industry involved.
I think, much like an excess of alcohol, too much age eventually strips away the social restraint from people, and you’re left with what’s always been underneath. Some of the things my mother said in her later years I would never share with my sisters. |
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My mother is a conspiracy theorist and in the end, I've had to cut her off. Her behaviour has become very detrimental to others, including directly resulting in the death of her own father from the disease she doesn't believe exists. She fraternises with some deeply unpleasant and in my view, dangerous people and in the absence of response to reason, cutting ties was the next step.
Some people think it's funny when people bang on about global cabals and lizard people and suchlike, but it's really far from funny. |
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over a year ago
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Dangerous exploits
I do not know who gave GB News the Go its very sad money spent
Total tw*ts on TV that frankly have Gang banged without warning
Or worse - robbing themselves to get paid,
Who's age is Correct on the Birth certs & passports
Looks like one those 18+ Chat shows
Its not hard to report or inform simple news.
Very very sad collective
Once saw the gay bloke spend £900 on a chicken then wanted to screw 2 staff with it straight after for years
(Closet 'Sport Of Reports 'Show - Eton Style) inc Piers
Never watched an Episode |
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I think, much like an excess of alcohol, too much age eventually strips away the social restraint from people, and you’re left with what’s always been underneath. Some of the things my mother said in her later years I would never share with my sisters. "
I've noticed that too in several relatives but just put down to the bitterness of age. It is shocking though, I agree. |
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"My mother is a conspiracy theorist and in the end, I've had to cut her off. Her behaviour has become very detrimental to others, including directly resulting in the death of her own father from the disease she doesn't believe exists. She fraternises with some deeply unpleasant and in my view, dangerous people and in the absence of response to reason, cutting ties was the next step.
Some people think it's funny when people bang on about global cabals and lizard people and suchlike, but it's really far from funny. "
I remember you mentioning this some time ago KC. It's terribly tragic and upsetting and you do have my sympathy.
If I may ask, did the onset of Covid and the following lockdowns exacerbate the behaviour ? Was it latent beforehand ? |
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Sadly it's nothing new. My grandad's wife has for years read the Daily Mail and complained about immigrants among other things. Somehow forgetting she was a German Jew who came to England after the Second World War. We just did our best to ignore it and keep the chat pleasant. |
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over a year ago
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"The funny thing is, people are allowed to have thoughts and opinions that offend you...  "
But when those opinions are formed with what is believed to be facts and are not.
Eg. Joan of Arc was hanged, not burned to death. Her crime was not heresy but wearing trousers which carried the death penalty for women. And the French convicted her, not the English. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The funny thing is, people are allowed to have thoughts and opinions that offend you... "
It's a dangerous thing when we're all defining what we believe to be right and wrong,based on our own personal narrative.
I know what I find to be distasteful, but many opinions are formed on personal experiences, not balanced fact based rationale. Finding out why people feel disaffected and the need to be impressionable is surely the answer, as opposed to more labelling to fit someone's own narrative and ultimately rabbit hole. |
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The thing that worked best in my family was withdrawing company if discussion got into politics. Not changing anyone's minds, but just - if you keep harping on about all of this, we're leaving. Because it is unpleasant. |
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"The funny thing is, people are allowed to have thoughts and opinions that offend you... "
And people are allowed to have thoughts and opinions about that.
Fab feels like the epicenter of GB News watchers and DM readers on most days. |
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By *ony 2016Man
over a year ago
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There is a clip available on YouTube which is worth watching ,GB News did a poll on Twitter about Brexit , the presenter gleefully announces the result saying the British public still want to leave The EU ,the look on his face moments later is well worth a look (spoiler alert) he appears to be as good at reading numbers off a screen / bit of paper as Pritti Patel |
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By *an4funMan
over a year ago
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"Dangerous exploits
I do not know who gave GB News the Go its very sad money spent
Total tw*ts on TV that frankly have Gang banged without warning
Or worse - robbing themselves to get paid,
Who's age is Correct on the Birth certs & passports
Looks like one those 18+ Chat shows
Its not hard to report or inform simple news.
Very very sad collective
Once saw the gay bloke spend £900 on a chicken then wanted to screw 2 staff with it straight after for years
(Closet 'Sport Of Reports 'Show - Eton Style) inc Piers
Never watched an Episode "
I've read this 3 times and still no idea.
Although the chicken that cost £900 and bought by the gay bloke which was then used to screw 2 members of staff is a story I'd like to find out more about. |
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"The funny thing is, people are allowed to have thoughts and opinions that offend you...
It's a dangerous thing when we're all defining what we believe to be right and wrong,based on our own personal narrative.
I know what I find to be distasteful, but many opinions are formed on personal experiences, not balanced fact based rationale. Finding out why people feel disaffected and the need to be impressionable is surely the answer, as opposed to more labelling to fit someone's own narrative and ultimately rabbit hole."
Have you tried to engage with a committed conspiracy theorist who is happy to leave her husband and father dying at home, because she "doesn't believe" in the disease affecting them and is convinced that medical professionals will murder them? Spoiler alert - they both died. Of COVID. |
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"My mother is a conspiracy theorist and in the end, I've had to cut her off. Her behaviour has become very detrimental to others, including directly resulting in the death of her own father from the disease she doesn't believe exists. She fraternises with some deeply unpleasant and in my view, dangerous people and in the absence of response to reason, cutting ties was the next step.
Some people think it's funny when people bang on about global cabals and lizard people and suchlike, but it's really far from funny.
I remember you mentioning this some time ago KC. It's terribly tragic and upsetting and you do have my sympathy.
If I may ask, did the onset of Covid and the following lockdowns exacerbate the behaviour ? Was it latent beforehand ?"
She was down a rabbit hole before COVID. COVID was just another thing to add into the mix. In retrospect, she's been pretty off the wall all of my life but only became outwardly like that about 8-10yrs ago. |
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"The funny thing is, people are allowed to have thoughts and opinions that offend you...
And people are allowed to have thoughts and opinions about that.
Fab feels like the epicenter of GB News watchers and DM readers on most days."
I would leave fab forums before you become influenced by an influencer there are lots on here can't you see them.  |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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GB News is a blight on the landscape. Even the Beano had a pop at them the other week in the Bananaman strip.
I know a few people in the comedy industry who have been given work by the channel, which I'm not keen on, but after two years of no work, I can understand them taking the jobs.
Can't you introduce your relative to ITV4 or Talking Pictures?
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"An elderly relative seems to have succumbed to this news station on the TV and appears to have been "radicalised" somewhat by their constant stream of invectiveness.
It's getting harder and harder to bite one's lip and nod and smile. "That nice man Farage was on yesterday and he said.."
I feel we have a duty of care to our "oldsters" to prevent them falling deep down such rabbit holes, but the TV is the only company they keep due to geographical location, and they are housebound.
It's ironic really.
They probably worried about me when I was younger, what with all the temptations for youngsters...drugs (nope never did), trouble with the law (nope), wrong sort of company (ok, I'll 'fess up to that. We did used to meet up to listen to Bauhaus or Sisters of Mercy and read Byron or Poe and drink Snakebite). But apart from a frightfully UMC upbringing, not much went on.
They did steer me well through what could have been challenging times.
So it does break my heart a little to hear a weekly litany of vitriol directed to whoever GB News has been hating on that week.
How do others cope with wayward and impressionable kin such as this ?
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I have the complete opposite farage is a twat and Jeremy hunt is a lovely man with an honest face, you could not make it up.  |
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I think, much like an excess of alcohol, too much age eventually strips away the social restraint from people, and you’re left with what’s always been underneath. Some of the things my mother said in her later years I would never share with my sisters.
I've noticed that too in several relatives but just put down to the bitterness of age. It is shocking though, I agree."
Go for personality type instead of age and you'll have a clearer view of the what's and why's.
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"I don’t think there’s much you can do. I have an elderly relative that would sooner believe the dross and misinformation they read in the Daily Mail than ask someone who is directly employed in the industry involved.
I think, much like an excess of alcohol, too much age eventually strips away the social restraint from people, and you’re left with what’s always been underneath. Some of the things my mother said in her later years I would never share with my sisters. "
Too much age does that ? I thought it was learning not to give a fuck.
What do we attribute the tactlessness of youngsters to ? Insufficiency of age ? |
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"Might be worth contacting the vulnerable adults team for their country council. Radicalisation is not the preserve of young men.
What have they been radicalised with ?
Ask the OP..?"
O.P. What are they being radicalised with ? |
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"An elderly relative seems to have succumbed to this news station on the TV and appears to have been "radicalised" somewhat by their constant stream of invectiveness.
It's getting harder and harder to bite one's lip and nod and smile. "That nice man Farage was on yesterday and he said.."
I feel we have a duty of care to our "oldsters" to prevent them falling deep down such rabbit holes, but the TV is the only company they keep due to geographical location, and they are housebound.
It's ironic really.
They probably worried about me when I was younger, what with all the temptations for youngsters...drugs (nope never did), trouble with the law (nope), wrong sort of company (ok, I'll 'fess up to that. We did used to meet up to listen to Bauhaus or Sisters of Mercy and read Byron or Poe and drink Snakebite). But apart from a frightfully UMC upbringing, not much went on.
They did steer me well through what could have been challenging times.
So it does break my heart a little to hear a weekly litany of vitriol directed to whoever GB News has been hating on that week.
How do others cope with wayward and impressionable kin such as this ?
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They've earned the right. There is more than one view of circumstances. Probably encourage them to learn about events using a multitude of sources from different perspectives.
Maybe ask the question why it is they've changed their viewing habits and try to see it from their point of view rather than your own and belittling them? |
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"An elderly relative seems to have succumbed to this news station on the TV and appears to have been "radicalised" somewhat by their constant stream of invectiveness.
It's getting harder and harder to bite one's lip and nod and smile. "That nice man Farage was on yesterday and he said.."
I feel we have a duty of care to our "oldsters" to prevent them falling deep down such rabbit holes, but the TV is the only company they keep due to geographical location, and they are housebound.
It's ironic really.
They probably worried about me when I was younger, what with all the temptations for youngsters...drugs (nope never did), trouble with the law (nope), wrong sort of company (ok, I'll 'fess up to that. We did used to meet up to listen to Bauhaus or Sisters of Mercy and read Byron or Poe and drink Snakebite). But apart from a frightfully UMC upbringing, not much went on.
They did steer me well through what could have been challenging times.
So it does break my heart a little to hear a weekly litany of vitriol directed to whoever GB News has been hating on that week.
How do others cope with wayward and impressionable kin such as this ?
They've earned the right. There is more than one view of circumstances. Probably encourage them to learn about events using a multitude of sources from different perspectives.
Maybe ask the question why it is they've changed their viewing habits and try to see it from their point of view rather than your own and belittling them? "
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"Might be worth contacting the vulnerable adults team for their country council. Radicalisation is not the preserve of young men.
What have they been radicalised with ?
Ask the OP..?
O.P. What are they being radicalised with ?"
Granny, my mother HAS been radicalised with seriously right wing, dangerous crap. She and the people she associates with are dangerous. She has already demonstrated that. But no-one takes you seriously about the potential threat posed by a woman in her early 60s. I don't say the above lightly. |
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"Might be worth contacting the vulnerable adults team for their country council. Radicalisation is not the preserve of young men.
What have they been radicalised with ?
Ask the OP..?
O.P. What are they being radicalised with ?
Granny, my mother HAS been radicalised with seriously right wing, dangerous crap. She and the people she associates with are dangerous. She has already demonstrated that. But no-one takes you seriously about the potential threat posed by a woman in her early 60s. I don't say the above lightly. "
What dangerous crap and who by ? |
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"Might be worth contacting the vulnerable adults team for their country council. Radicalisation is not the preserve of young men.
What have they been radicalised with ?
Ask the OP..?
O.P. What are they being radicalised with ?
Granny, my mother HAS been radicalised with seriously right wing, dangerous crap. She and the people she associates with are dangerous. She has already demonstrated that. But no-one takes you seriously about the potential threat posed by a woman in her early 60s. I don't say the above lightly.
What dangerous crap and who by ?"
I realise it may be personal and you are unable to say but wtf has her being in her 60's got to do with it ? |
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I might just mention at this point as it is in my head.....
Age is a characteristic that is protected by law.......
People MAY be being radicalised. They may be incapable of reason, logic and critcial thinking but it isn't their AGE and to constantly push the idea that the 'oldies' are brain dead is AGEISM....
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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago
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The older generation are frankly a write off when it comes to the way TV influences them. They grew up in that time where the person on the tele was amin to a preacher in a church. My mum & dad's generation hold this form of media in far too high of a regard, much like how their parents probably used to treat radio broadcasting.
As a quick aside, I only just discovered this tinpot "GB News" network existed the other day when one of their clips leaked onto my YouTube feed.
This clip was about trying to use ancient treason legislation to strip Harry & Meghan of their royal titles for their apparent "disloyalty". They spent most of the clip whining about Harry and Meg, and there was like a 4 second footnote which suggested it could also be used on Prince Andrew too .
I was thinking well nice to see where this networks priorities are  |
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"Might be worth contacting the vulnerable adults team for their country council. Radicalisation is not the preserve of young men.
What have they been radicalised with ?
Ask the OP..?
O.P. What are they being radicalised with ?
Granny, my mother HAS been radicalised with seriously right wing, dangerous crap. She and the people she associates with are dangerous. She has already demonstrated that. But no-one takes you seriously about the potential threat posed by a woman in her early 60s. I don't say the above lightly. "
On a linked note... And with apologies to the op for a slight side step... A 22 year old man I know has in the last 18 months gone from a charming polite young man, to bitter, aggressive, no filter, filled with hate.. Starting off converting to ferociously vegan, then anti authority (esp with covid), then extreme opinions about working for a living and so on... The last month or so I've become quite concerned... No... Very concerned as he seems to be walking a very precarious path. My question... Is there help I can signpost him to just to sanity check his direction of travel.? |
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Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise ,
Or doddery old cunts like peoples relatives ....... hey ho genetics......
If they are impressionable at an older age it's because they always were.
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"Might be worth contacting the vulnerable adults team for their country council. Radicalisation is not the preserve of young men.
What have they been radicalised with ?
Ask the OP..?
O.P. What are they being radicalised with ?
Granny, my mother HAS been radicalised with seriously right wing, dangerous crap. She and the people she associates with are dangerous. She has already demonstrated that. But no-one takes you seriously about the potential threat posed by a woman in her early 60s. I don't say the above lightly.
On a linked note... And with apologies to the op for a slight side step... A 22 year old man I know has in the last 18 months gone from a charming polite young man, to bitter, aggressive, no filter, filled with hate.. Starting off converting to ferociously vegan, then anti authority (esp with covid), then extreme opinions about working for a living and so on... The last month or so I've become quite concerned... No... Very concerned as he seems to be walking a very precarious path. My question... Is there help I can signpost him to just to sanity check his direction of travel.? "
I think given the fragmentation of media, it's a question regarding people of all age groups. |
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"Although I didn't see it as belittling.......more patronising , assumptive, biased and impatient and lacking in any degree of understanding.
They are old so what they think is idiotic yada yada "
Yes on reflection poor choice of word. Patronising is better. |
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"Might be worth contacting the vulnerable adults team for their country council. Radicalisation is not the preserve of young men.
What have they been radicalised with ?
Ask the OP..?
O.P. What are they being radicalised with ?
Granny, my mother HAS been radicalised with seriously right wing, dangerous crap. She and the people she associates with are dangerous. She has already demonstrated that. But no-one takes you seriously about the potential threat posed by a woman in her early 60s. I don't say the above lightly.
On a linked note... And with apologies to the op for a slight side step... A 22 year old man I know has in the last 18 months gone from a charming polite young man, to bitter, aggressive, no filter, filled with hate.. Starting off converting to ferociously vegan, then anti authority (esp with covid), then extreme opinions about working for a living and so on... The last month or so I've become quite concerned... No... Very concerned as he seems to be walking a very precarious path. My question... Is there help I can signpost him to just to sanity check his direction of travel.? "
G.P. 111. Mind. Talking Therapies. There are also 'mens groups' popping up around the country ( at last ) look for info in public places or council websites for groups etc.... |
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"The older generation are frankly a write off when it comes to the way TV influences them. They grew up in that time where the person on the tele was amin to a preacher in a church. My mum & dad's generation hold this form of media in far too high of a regard, much like how their parents probably used to treat radio broadcasting.
As a quick aside, I only just discovered this tinpot "GB News" network existed the other day when one of their clips leaked onto my YouTube feed.
This clip was about trying to use ancient treason legislation to strip Harry & Meghan of their royal titles for their apparent "disloyalty". They spent most of the clip whining about Harry and Meg, and there was like a 4 second footnote which suggested it could also be used on Prince Andrew too .
I was thinking well nice to see where this networks priorities are "
Whilst having a shot at a generation. Consider the content that the younger generation are producing and forcing in front of them and the agenda so to do.? It's complex, the search for truth isn't easy and people are inherently loath to put lots of effort into changing their habits or searching for media sources which do anything other than confirm their bias. So as well as question the ability of an older generation to find truth in the 24 hours a day media. It is worth questioning the generation that are producing the inaccurate or agenda led content. |
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I have one on my social media who’s really gone down the rabbit hole with the misinformation etc.
I had her marked as an intelligent person, but she started believing the whole “wayfair child trafficking” “COVID” “5G” etc stuff.
It’s sad, but at the end of the day she has a child who isn’t vaccinated and in a childcare centre, she isn’t vaccinated and working in another childcare place.
Honestly, you cannot, and will not, stop people from believing what they want to believe. And to try and shout them down has the complete opposite effect and hardens their resolve, as we saw with Trump in 2016-2020. |
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"Might be worth contacting the vulnerable adults team for their country council. Radicalisation is not the preserve of young men.
What have they been radicalised with ?
Ask the OP..?
O.P. What are they being radicalised with ?
Granny, my mother HAS been radicalised with seriously right wing, dangerous crap. She and the people she associates with are dangerous. She has already demonstrated that. But no-one takes you seriously about the potential threat posed by a woman in her early 60s. I don't say the above lightly.
On a linked note... And with apologies to the op for a slight side step... A 22 year old man I know has in the last 18 months gone from a charming polite young man, to bitter, aggressive, no filter, filled with hate.. Starting off converting to ferociously vegan, then anti authority (esp with covid), then extreme opinions about working for a living and so on... The last month or so I've become quite concerned... No... Very concerned as he seems to be walking a very precarious path. My question... Is there help I can signpost him to just to sanity check his direction of travel.?
G.P. 111. Mind. Talking Therapies. There are also 'mens groups' popping up around the country ( at last ) look for info in public places or council websites for groups etc.... "
I've urged him to talk to his gp but somewhat predictably the response is... I'm fine, theres nothing wrong with me, it's everyone else who are all sheep etc... He seems to get badly triggered by so many things. |
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"I have one on my social media who’s really gone down the rabbit hole with the misinformation etc.
I had her marked as an intelligent person, but she started believing the whole “wayfair child trafficking” “COVID” “5G” etc stuff.
It’s sad, but at the end of the day she has a child who isn’t vaccinated and in a childcare centre, she isn’t vaccinated and working in another childcare place.
Honestly, you cannot, and will not, stop people from believing what they want to believe. And to try and shout them down has the complete opposite effect and hardens their resolve, as we saw with Trump in 2016-2020. "
I really like the work Steven Hassan has done on radicalisation |
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"I have one on my social media who’s really gone down the rabbit hole with the misinformation etc.
I had her marked as an intelligent person, but she started believing the whole “wayfair child trafficking” “COVID” “5G” etc stuff.
It’s sad, but at the end of the day she has a child who isn’t vaccinated and in a childcare centre, she isn’t vaccinated and working in another childcare place.
Honestly, you cannot, and will not, stop people from believing what they want to believe. And to try and shout them down has the complete opposite effect and hardens their resolve, as we saw with Trump in 2016-2020.
I really like the work Steven Hassan has done on radicalisation "
Thanks. I'll look him up. He's unknown to me. |
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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise "
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people. |
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"I have one on my social media who’s really gone down the rabbit hole with the misinformation etc.
I had her marked as an intelligent person, but she started believing the whole “wayfair child trafficking” “COVID” “5G” etc stuff.
It’s sad, but at the end of the day she has a child who isn’t vaccinated and in a childcare centre, she isn’t vaccinated and working in another childcare place.
Honestly, you cannot, and will not, stop people from believing what they want to believe. And to try and shout them down has the complete opposite effect and hardens their resolve, as we saw with Trump in 2016-2020.
I really like the work Steven Hassan has done on radicalisation "
I’ll have a look at that, have heard of him but I’m not prepared to speak to my “friend” anymore, as she’s a well and truly lost cause along with her boyfriend. |
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people."
You know this how? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people."
Do they give out stats on this? |
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One of my 'hobbies' is to respond to the Daily Mail readers comments. I really hope that most of their commentators are either bots or paid to write things for clickbait reaction. If not then there are some deeply reactionary and unpleasant people in this country. As for GB News, I've never watched it live but was most upset to hear that Angela Rippon is a presenter. As for Farage, I honestly wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. |
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"I have one on my social media who’s really gone down the rabbit hole with the misinformation etc.
I had her marked as an intelligent person, but she started believing the whole “wayfair child trafficking” “COVID” “5G” etc stuff.
It’s sad, but at the end of the day she has a child who isn’t vaccinated and in a childcare centre, she isn’t vaccinated and working in another childcare place.
Honestly, you cannot, and will not, stop people from believing what they want to believe. And to try and shout them down has the complete opposite effect and hardens their resolve, as we saw with Trump in 2016-2020.
I really like the work Steven Hassan has done on radicalisation
I’ll have a look at that, have heard of him but I’m not prepared to speak to my “friend” anymore, as she’s a well and truly lost cause along with her boyfriend. "
Yeah. I've had to draw pretty firm boundaries with people like that in my life.
Relatives, rare contact and cessation of communication if this shit comes up.
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"One of my 'hobbies' is to respond to the Daily Mail readers comments. I really hope that most of their commentators are either bots or paid to write things for clickbait reaction. If not then there are some deeply reactionary and unpleasant people in this country. As for GB News, I've never watched it live but was most upset to hear that Angela Rippon is a presenter. As for Farage, I honestly wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. "
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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago
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" Whilst having a shot at a generation. Consider the content that the younger generation are producing and forcing in front of them and the agenda so to do.? It's complex, the search for truth isn't easy and people are inherently loath to put lots of effort into changing their habits or searching for media sources which do anything other than confirm their bias. So as well as question the ability of an older generation to find truth in the 24 hours a day media. It is worth questioning the generation that are producing the inaccurate or agenda led content. "
I'm sorry I'm just not very sympathetic. The "content creators" are deliberately targetting a certain demographic. If you're old, you've surely been around long enough to recognise targetted content. In the same way that everyone knows daytime TV is targetted at stay-at-home mothers & the unemployed, the same way beer commercials only come on during sports broadcasts.
Seriously you speak to some old people and ask them to engage their critical faculties when watching TV, their eyes glaze over & they have that 'someone farted in a lift' expression on their face like they can't quite believe someone has challenged the sacrosanct authority of the news reader. It's absolutely a generational phenomenon. |
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"Might be worth contacting the vulnerable adults team for their country council. Radicalisation is not the preserve of young men.
What have they been radicalised with ?
Ask the OP..?
O.P. What are they being radicalised with ?
Granny, my mother HAS been radicalised with seriously right wing, dangerous crap. She and the people she associates with are dangerous. She has already demonstrated that. But no-one takes you seriously about the potential threat posed by a woman in her early 60s. I don't say the above lightly.
What dangerous crap and who by ?"
I don't wish to disclose that on an open forum, but it is sufficient to say she interacts with people known to be a threat. Her actions have already directly lead to two people dying, which I think is plenty of evidence of danger. Who leaves their husband and father to die because they don't believe they are ill, despite the people in question being about as ill as it is possible to be? Intensive care level ill. And then attempted to liberate one individual from intensive care, with the aid of some of the dangerous types she associates with. |
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"I have one on my social media who’s really gone down the rabbit hole with the misinformation etc.
I had her marked as an intelligent person, but she started believing the whole “wayfair child trafficking” “COVID” “5G” etc stuff.
It’s sad, but at the end of the day she has a child who isn’t vaccinated and in a childcare centre, she isn’t vaccinated and working in another childcare place.
Honestly, you cannot, and will not, stop people from believing what they want to believe. And to try and shout them down has the complete opposite effect and hardens their resolve, as we saw with Trump in 2016-2020.
I really like the work Steven Hassan has done on radicalisation
I’ll have a look at that, have heard of him but I’m not prepared to speak to my “friend” anymore, as she’s a well and truly lost cause along with her boyfriend.
Yeah. I've had to draw pretty firm boundaries with people like that in my life.
Relatives, rare contact and cessation of communication if this shit comes up.
Anyone else, cut off."
Yeah, it’s the only thing you can do these days work it them.
I’ve cut off communication with a lot of people over the last 2 years, well in excess of 100 people I thought I knew better.  |
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The OP saying old people are vulnerable - I don't think it's old people per se. People without an internet connection (or who learned to use it reasonably late) may struggle to find a variety of viewpoints. Those who don't go out much might use the TV for company.
People who don't have lots of viewpoints presented to them who watch a lot of television might be vulnerable to being swayed by one point of view or another. That's true if they're 22 or 102. And (if the relationship, good will, and emotional energy exists) it may be worth trying to help them.
My view on this subject is age agnostic. |
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Why bite your lip and smile when they come out with this? Just point out politely but assertively that the programme they are listening to is utter bollocks and is just aimed at being controversial to get people to listen to it. |
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"I have one on my social media who’s really gone down the rabbit hole with the misinformation etc.
I had her marked as an intelligent person, but she started believing the whole “wayfair child trafficking” “COVID” “5G” etc stuff.
It’s sad, but at the end of the day she has a child who isn’t vaccinated and in a childcare centre, she isn’t vaccinated and working in another childcare place.
Honestly, you cannot, and will not, stop people from believing what they want to believe. And to try and shout them down has the complete opposite effect and hardens their resolve, as we saw with Trump in 2016-2020.
I really like the work Steven Hassan has done on radicalisation
I’ll have a look at that, have heard of him but I’m not prepared to speak to my “friend” anymore, as she’s a well and truly lost cause along with her boyfriend.
Yeah. I've had to draw pretty firm boundaries with people like that in my life.
Relatives, rare contact and cessation of communication if this shit comes up.
Anyone else, cut off.
Yeah, it’s the only thing you can do these days work it them.
I’ve cut off communication with a lot of people over the last 2 years, well in excess of 100 people I thought I knew better. "
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"One of my 'hobbies' is to respond to the Daily Mail readers comments. I really hope that most of their commentators are either bots or paid to write things for clickbait reaction. If not then there are some deeply reactionary and unpleasant people in this country. As for GB News, I've never watched it live but was most upset to hear that Angela Rippon is a presenter. As for Farage, I honestly wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
Oh the irony. "
If you are referring to my comment on Farage then fair enough, maybe wrongly worded. I was simply trying to express my intense dislike if the man. I hope your friend gets sorted. |
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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how? "
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise ,
Or doddery old cunts like peoples relatives ....... hey ho genetics......
If they are impressionable at an older age it's because they always were.
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Only one of my older relatives have gone down conspiracy theory rabbits holes. The rest are or were perfectly decent people, whom I have or had great respect for. My comments are naff all to do with age and everything to do about my mother's behaviour. The fact she happens to be in her early 60s isn't especially relevant to me. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"GB News is a blight on the landscape. Even the Beano had a pop at them the other week in the Bananaman strip.
I know a few people in the comedy industry who have been given work by the channel, which I'm not keen on, but after two years of no work, I can understand them taking the jobs.
Can't you introduce your relative to ITV4 or Talking Pictures?
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try getting them to listen to that nice James Obrien on lbc on the radio 10am - 1pm will soon change their views did it with a collegue in the van at work forced him to listen to it every morning he has realised just how much hes been brain washed by the likes of farage |
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" Whilst having a shot at a generation. Consider the content that the younger generation are producing and forcing in front of them and the agenda so to do.? It's complex, the search for truth isn't easy and people are inherently loath to put lots of effort into changing their habits or searching for media sources which do anything other than confirm their bias. So as well as question the ability of an older generation to find truth in the 24 hours a day media. It is worth questioning the generation that are producing the inaccurate or agenda led content.
I'm sorry I'm just not very sympathetic. The "content creators" are deliberately targetting a certain demographic. If you're old, you've surely been around long enough to recognise targetted content. In the same way that everyone knows daytime TV is targetted at stay-at-home mothers & the unemployed, the same way beer commercials only come on during sports broadcasts.
Seriously you speak to some old people and ask them to engage their critical faculties when watching TV, their eyes glaze over & they have that 'someone farted in a lift' expression on their face like they can't quite believe someone has challenged the sacrosanct authority of the news reader. It's absolutely a generational phenomenon. "
Quite some assertions you're making there as statements of fact. So exactly what is a generational phenomenon and what facts do you have to support your statements? Because it seems to be the irony of you calling out one side of an argument with limited evidence can not be lost. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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To the OP, Mr Ruggers does try with his elderly mum but when the only thing she reads is the DM then her thinking is always the same as that.
It is hard.
Not all older people are like this though and not all older people are "bitter" in fact since Covid there has been a lot of people over lots of ages that I would say have been "radicalised" for want of a better word |
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"Why bite your lip and smile when they come out with this? Just point out politely but assertively that the programme they are listening to is utter bollocks and is just aimed at being controversial to get people to listen to it. "
In my family, I bit my lip for over fifteen years because it was the matriarch and respect your elders etc. Even when it came out as extremely thinly veiled digs at me.
Then I avoided her.
Then my cousin said, if you don't stop lecturing us about these things, I won't come over, or I'll leave. She lived five minutes away and didn't visit for six months.
My relative eventually got the message to at least keep conversation pleasant. |
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation. "
So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of. |
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation. "
Wait is your argument against a new station persuading people's outlooks with questionable facts being made with observations put forward as of it were fact?
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation.
Wait is your argument against a new station persuading people's outlooks with questionable facts being made with observations put forward as of it were fact?
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation.
So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of. "
If you Google 'GB News viewing figures by age' the top link is a write up on a YouGov poll that does actually show that it's output resonates more with older people. Not exclusively, but certainly weighed towards the older more conservative viewer. |
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" Whilst having a shot at a generation. Consider the content that the younger generation are producing and forcing in front of them and the agenda so to do.? It's complex, the search for truth isn't easy and people are inherently loath to put lots of effort into changing their habits or searching for media sources which do anything other than confirm their bias. So as well as question the ability of an older generation to find truth in the 24 hours a day media. It is worth questioning the generation that are producing the inaccurate or agenda led content.
I'm sorry I'm just not very sympathetic. The "content creators" are deliberately targetting a certain demographic. If you're old, you've surely been around long enough to recognise targetted content. In the same way that everyone knows daytime TV is targetted at stay-at-home mothers & the unemployed, the same way beer commercials only come on during sports broadcasts.
Seriously you speak to some old people and ask them to engage their critical faculties when watching TV, their eyes glaze over & they have that 'someone farted in a lift' expression on their face like they can't quite believe someone has challenged the sacrosanct authority of the news reader. It's absolutely a generational phenomenon. "
Although the main perpetrator of claptrap in my family is old enough to remember WW2, I assist elderly people in a voluntary capacity. My group range from their 60s to their 90s. (I don't think 60s is elderly, but we're 55+ where disabilities exist, else 75+)
I recognise that my anecdotal evidence is worth as much as yours, but my group run the gamut from disengaged to thoughtful. Not desperately different from a random group of 30 or 40 somethings. |
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
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"An elderly relative seems to have succumbed to this news station on the TV and appears to have been "radicalised" somewhat by their constant stream of invectiveness.
It's getting harder and harder to bite one's lip and nod and smile. "That nice man Farage was on yesterday and he said.."
I feel we have a duty of care to our "oldsters" to prevent them falling deep down such rabbit holes, but the TV is the only company they keep due to geographical location, and they are housebound.
It's ironic really.
They probably worried about me when I was younger, what with all the temptations for youngsters...drugs (nope never did), trouble with the law (nope), wrong sort of company (ok, I'll 'fess up to that. We did used to meet up to listen to Bauhaus or Sisters of Mercy and read Byron or Poe and drink Snakebite). But apart from a frightfully UMC upbringing, not much went on.
They did steer me well through what could have been challenging times.
So it does break my heart a little to hear a weekly litany of vitriol directed to whoever GB News has been hating on that week.
How do others cope with wayward and impressionable kin such as this ?
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Despite being third generation immigrant I have cousins who think getting rid of people not born here is a great idea and voted brexit.
One biebs the earth is flat and is anti vax. In the end I had to cut him loose. Can't argue with the single minded |
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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago
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"So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of. "
I'm not making stuff up. If you don't recognise the observations I have made then that is perfectly fine. But it's quite disingenuous to ask someone to provide stats for what are obviously anecdotes.
It's like someone asking you to provide statistical evidence that fabswingers has a lot of timewasters on it. |
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"I don’t think there’s much you can do. I have an elderly relative that would sooner believe the dross and misinformation they read in the Daily Mail than ask someone who is directly employed in the industry involved.
I think, much like an excess of alcohol, too much age eventually strips away the social restraint from people, and you’re left with what’s always been underneath. Some of the things my mother said in her later years I would never share with my sisters.
Too much age does that ? I thought it was learning not to give a fuck.
What do we attribute the tactlessness of youngsters to ? Insufficiency of age ?"
My comments were based on my personal experience of dealing with my mother’s slow and inexorable slide into dementia.
In her prime, she was as sharp an intellect as you could possibly imagine. The deterioration in her faculties became increasingly obvious to those closest to her from around her 81st birthday. I’m not sure what to attribute it to other than age; what would you put it down to? |
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation.
So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of.
If you Google 'GB News viewing figures by age' the top link is a write up on a YouGov poll that does actually show that it's output resonates more with older people. Not exclusively, but certainly weighed towards the older more conservative viewer. "
Thanks for the info. So.. Isn't it a good thing that in the absence of one "truth", that we news from a variety of sources and view points.? Used to be... If you wanted right wing you went to the tory graph, left wing to the grauniad, very left the morning star... And understood the editorial filter being applied. Doesn't make the consumers idiots, just different viewpoints. We aren't all the same. |
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"So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of.
I'm not making stuff up. If you don't recognise the observations I have made then that is perfectly fine. But it's quite disingenuous to ask someone to provide stats for what are obviously anecdotes.
It's like someone asking you to provide statistical evidence that fabswingers has a lot of timewasters on it."
That's easy...I winked at 100 profiles and dabbed 1250 pictures, and I still haven't got laid in the last 12 hours !  |
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If you read/buy the sun/daily mail/ watch shit like gb news I would have no respect for you and I would keep you at arms length...fruit loops who believe in all their propaganda and bullshit
And also that Dan Wooton is a horrible gobshite |
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation.
So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of.
If you Google 'GB News viewing figures by age' the top link is a write up on a YouGov poll that does actually show that it's output resonates more with older people. Not exclusively, but certainly weighed towards the older more conservative viewer.
Thanks for the info. So.. Isn't it a good thing that in the absence of one "truth", that we news from a variety of sources and view points.? Used to be... If you wanted right wing you went to the tory graph, left wing to the grauniad, very left the morning star... And understood the editorial filter being applied. Doesn't make the consumers idiots, just different viewpoints. We aren't all the same. "
I have to disagree that tailored echo chamber new cycles be they left or right leaning are a good thing.
It's probably the biggest danger the internet has brought.
Your new feeds playlists etc.. all being programmed to never challenge your view point and only to cement your beliefs with sudo facts is bad very very bad |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation.
So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of.
If you Google 'GB News viewing figures by age' the top link is a write up on a YouGov poll that does actually show that it's output resonates more with older people. Not exclusively, but certainly weighed towards the older more conservative viewer.
Thanks for the info. So.. Isn't it a good thing that in the absence of one "truth", that we news from a variety of sources and view points.? Used to be... If you wanted right wing you went to the tory graph, left wing to the grauniad, very left the morning star... And understood the editorial filter being applied. Doesn't make the consumers idiots, just different viewpoints. We aren't all the same.
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On their own website it says "Adults aged 25-34 emerged as the most loyal audience to GB News"( published in October ) |
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people."
Do you find rolling eyes a good look when making a point ?
I read your original post. I responded to your original post. Which does homogenise an entire generation.
As for your second point ...most impressionable idiots.......... are old people |
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation.
So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of.
If you Google 'GB News viewing figures by age' the top link is a write up on a YouGov poll that does actually show that it's output resonates more with older people. Not exclusively, but certainly weighed towards the older more conservative viewer.
Thanks for the info. So.. Isn't it a good thing that in the absence of one "truth", that we news from a variety of sources and view points.? Used to be... If you wanted right wing you went to the tory graph, left wing to the grauniad, very left the morning star... And understood the editorial filter being applied. Doesn't make the consumers idiots, just different viewpoints. We aren't all the same.
On their own website it says "Adults aged 25-34 emerged as the most loyal audience to GB News"( published in October )"
That could just mean they hit the subscribe button more.
All those viewership stats are manipulated to the last.
There are about 4 local radio stations here that advertise being the most listened to according to what ever company runs the numbers. But that could mean by 24 year olds from 2.30am to 2
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"If you read/buy the sun/daily mail/ watch shit like gb news I would have no respect for you and I would keep you at arms length...fruit loops who believe in all their propaganda and bullshit
And also that Dan Wooton is a horrible gobshite"
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It is terrifying how good the right wing is at propaganda. GB News is the UK version of America's Fox News, funded by the super-rich to spread fear and disinformation, principally to their ends of paying less tax. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation.
So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of.
If you Google 'GB News viewing figures by age' the top link is a write up on a YouGov poll that does actually show that it's output resonates more with older people. Not exclusively, but certainly weighed towards the older more conservative viewer.
Thanks for the info. So.. Isn't it a good thing that in the absence of one "truth", that we news from a variety of sources and view points.? Used to be... If you wanted right wing you went to the tory graph, left wing to the grauniad, very left the morning star... And understood the editorial filter being applied. Doesn't make the consumers idiots, just different viewpoints. We aren't all the same.
On their own website it says "Adults aged 25-34 emerged as the most loyal audience to GB News"( published in October )
That could just mean they hit the subscribe button more.
All those viewership stats are manipulated to the last.
There are about 4 local radio stations here that advertise being the most listened to according to what ever company runs the numbers. But that could mean by 24 year olds from 2.30am to 2
2.34am"
"Adults aged 25-34 emerged as the most loyal audience to GB News: in this age group average weekly listening hours increased by 60% from 7.8 hours a week to 12.5 hours." |
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"I don’t think there’s much you can do. I have an elderly relative that would sooner believe the dross and misinformation they read in the Daily Mail than ask someone who is directly employed in the industry involved.
I think, much like an excess of alcohol, too much age eventually strips away the social restraint from people, and you’re left with what’s always been underneath. Some of the things my mother said in her later years I would never share with my sisters.
Too much age does that ? I thought it was learning not to give a fuck.
What do we attribute the tactlessness of youngsters to ? Insufficiency of age ?
My comments were based on my personal experience of dealing with my mother’s slow and inexorable slide into dementia.
In her prime, she was as sharp an intellect as you could possibly imagine. The deterioration in her faculties became increasingly obvious to those closest to her from around her 81st birthday. I’m not sure what to attribute it to other than age; what would you put it down to?"
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation.
So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of.
If you Google 'GB News viewing figures by age' the top link is a write up on a YouGov poll that does actually show that it's output resonates more with older people. Not exclusively, but certainly weighed towards the older more conservative viewer.
Thanks for the info. So.. Isn't it a good thing that in the absence of one "truth", that we news from a variety of sources and view points.? Used to be... If you wanted right wing you went to the tory graph, left wing to the grauniad, very left the morning star... And understood the editorial filter being applied. Doesn't make the consumers idiots, just different viewpoints. We aren't all the same.
I have to disagree that tailored echo chamber new cycles be they left or right leaning are a good thing.
It's probably the biggest danger the internet has brought.
Your new feeds playlists etc.. all being programmed to never challenge your view point and only to cement your beliefs with sudo facts is bad very very bad"
100 %agree with the dangers of our media as you've described.. , content and consumption. Like i said in the absence of one trusted source of "the truth" I think it's good that we can find a balanced view by looking at sources that present from different perspectives. Which as say has the danger that if you only consume one site.... You'll only get that viewpoint. At the moment it seems a race to the bottom of the barrel. |
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"It is terrifying how good the right wing is at propaganda. GB News is the UK version of America's Fox News, funded by the super-rich to spread fear and disinformation, principally to their ends of paying less tax. "
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"If you read/buy the sun/daily mail/ watch shit like gb news I would have no respect for you and I would keep you at arms length...fruit loops who believe in all their propaganda and bullshit
And also that Dan Wooton is a horrible gobshite
How can you make comparisons if you don't vary your sources ?"
Agreed granny. There seems a lack of self awareness with some folks that they are behaving exactly the same as those they dislike. |
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"It is terrifying how good the right wing is at propaganda. GB News is the UK version of America's Fox News, funded by the super-rich to spread fear and disinformation, principally to their ends of paying less tax. "
I might give it a whirl later. I've never watched it...... All I've got to do is put another tinfoil hat on and more garlic round the door. |
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation.
So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of.
If you Google 'GB News viewing figures by age' the top link is a write up on a YouGov poll that does actually show that it's output resonates more with older people. Not exclusively, but certainly weighed towards the older more conservative viewer.
Thanks for the info. So.. Isn't it a good thing that in the absence of one "truth", that we news from a variety of sources and view points.? Used to be... If you wanted right wing you went to the tory graph, left wing to the grauniad, very left the morning star... And understood the editorial filter being applied. Doesn't make the consumers idiots, just different viewpoints. We aren't all the same.
On their own website it says "Adults aged 25-34 emerged as the most loyal audience to GB News"( published in October )
That could just mean they hit the subscribe button more.
All those viewership stats are manipulated to the last.
There are about 4 local radio stations here that advertise being the most listened to according to what ever company runs the numbers. But that could mean by 24 year olds from 2.30am to 2
2.34am
"Adults aged 25-34 emerged as the most loyal audience to GB News: in this age group average weekly listening hours increased by 60% from 7.8 hours a week to 12.5 hours.""
Again that could just mean that 10% of their listeners are that age group they just listen more than the 60% of say over 60s.
In not saying that's the case but it's hard to see a pattern of listernship with out a full publication of the figures |
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
The older generation are scientists, historians, mathematicians, parents, grandparents , wise
Yeah let me stop you right there
I'm not saying all old people are daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News...
But most daft impressionable idiots who consume content from the likes of GB News, are old people.
You know this how?
Any "news" network that focuses on pumping out content related to the royal family is usually targetted at old people. GB News is definitely aimed at pensioners
Sorry I don't have a pie chart, just the power of observation.
So you are just making stuff up then? Which is fine as its your opinion. Just no substance to support it. Which is exactly what you are accusing older folks of.
If you Google 'GB News viewing figures by age' the top link is a write up on a YouGov poll that does actually show that it's output resonates more with older people. Not exclusively, but certainly weighed towards the older more conservative viewer.
Thanks for the info. So.. Isn't it a good thing that in the absence of one "truth", that we news from a variety of sources and view points.? Used to be... If you wanted right wing you went to the tory graph, left wing to the grauniad, very left the morning star... And understood the editorial filter being applied. Doesn't make the consumers idiots, just different viewpoints. We aren't all the same.
On their own website it says "Adults aged 25-34 emerged as the most loyal audience to GB News"( published in October )
That could just mean they hit the subscribe button more.
All those viewership stats are manipulated to the last.
There are about 4 local radio stations here that advertise being the most listened to according to what ever company runs the numbers. But that could mean by 24 year olds from 2.30am to 2
2.34am
"Adults aged 25-34 emerged as the most loyal audience to GB News: in this age group average weekly listening hours increased by 60% from 7.8 hours a week to 12.5 hours."
Again that could just mean that 10% of their listeners are that age group they just listen more than the 60% of say over 60s.
In not saying that's the case but it's hard to see a pattern of listernship with out a full publication of the figures"
I was just answering "it could be a subscribe thing" It seems it may not be
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
I read your original post. I responded to your original post. Which does homogenise an entire generation.
As for your second point ...most impressionable idiots.......... are old people "
Well I least I know now that when you respond to a post with a bucket-load of ellipsis it means I'm about to get misquoted. That's why you got rolly eyes. Here have another |
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People are 100% right to have their viewpoints but not their own facts and it's a slippery slope we are now on and started way back in the midst of times under someone woman called "Thatcher" allowing the likes of Mr Murdoch to take control of certain newsapaper and the irony of The Sun and Daily Mail readers etc etc readers is they have no idea that their chosen new source are all owned by Non Doms who pay little or no tax and yet rant and rave against and Mr4 has a son who firmly believes in the QAnon stuff and he refuses to have anything to do with him now and we are going backwards now according to various Anthropologists and we are just at about the time after the printing press was invented ....scary....but afew more years they reckon we will be living in the time before the printing press was invented ..  |
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"Here we go again ..... 'the older generation are a write off ' .......
I read your original post. I responded to your original post. Which does homogenise an entire generation.
As for your second point ...most impressionable idiots.......... are old people
Well I least I know now that when you respond to a post with a bucket-load of ellipsis it means I'm about to get misquoted. That's why you got rolly eyes. Here have another "
Nah ..... I took your precise words out of the context they were in without changing a word.
The elipses denote that.
I'll up your rolly eyes and give you a little flutter.
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"I’m not sure what to attribute it to other than age; what would you put it down to?
Dementia "
Maybe.
Maybe the Parkinson’s she also suffered from in later years?
Maybe the treatment for the Parkinson’s that prolonged her life so that disease didn’t kill her, Covid could after two long and unhappy years in nursing care?
Maybe if she’d been knocked down by a bus in her 70s that would have been a better overall outcome?
Regardless of the offence you appear to have taken from my initial comment, I was not intending to infer that all cognitive decline was caused by age in some kind of “one size fits all” generalisation that meant anyone beyond a certain hard line on the calendar instantly became gaga. My response was intended for the OP, based on the question they asked about their own personal situation, and was in turn based upon my own personal experience. |
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"The elipses denote that."
It denotes almost the exact place in the original quote where you have removed a large chunk of the words.
P.s I don't believe in marriage as an institution so an offer won't be forthcoming. Another thing older people hold in far to high a regard  |
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"The elipses denote that.
It denotes almost the exact place in the original quote where you have removed a large chunk of the words.
P.s I don't believe in marriage as an institution so an offer won't be forthcoming. Another thing older people hold in far to high a regard "
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"I’m not sure what to attribute it to other than age; what would you put it down to?
Dementia
Maybe.
Maybe the Parkinson’s she also suffered from in later years?
Maybe the treatment for the Parkinson’s that prolonged her life so that disease didn’t kill her, Covid could after two long and unhappy years in nursing care?
Maybe if she’d been knocked down by a bus in her 70s that would have been a better overall outcome?
Regardless of the offence you appear to have taken from my initial comment, I was not intending to infer that all cognitive decline was caused by age in some kind of “one size fits all” generalisation that meant anyone beyond a certain hard line on the calendar instantly became gaga. My response was intended for the OP, based on the question they asked about their own personal situation, and was in turn based upon my own personal experience. "
I didn't take offence. It's not my bag man. |
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I think social isolation is a big factor, regardless of age. I had two friends (both around the age of 40ish) that - each for different reasons - became a bit reclusive and did most of their social interactions online. They quickly became immersed in right-wing rhetoric and started spouting some fairly unpleasant stuff abut women and foreigners. The rest of our circle did what we could to reason with them and talk them round, but they're both lost causes. We don't see a lot of them these days.
Similarly, since my dad retired, what little social interaction he had has now been limited to my mum, the dogs and the Daily Mail website. He's gone from being a pretty broad-minded centrist type to full-on "coming over here, taking our jobs" nutbaggery, and gets really angry when anyone tries to offer a remotely opposing view.
Conclusion: having people around you to say "Whoa, steady on, Oswald Moseley" is probably quite important. |
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"I think social isolation is a big factor, regardless of age. I had two friends (both around the age of 40ish) that - each for different reasons - became a bit reclusive and did most of their social interactions online. They quickly became immersed in right-wing rhetoric and started spouting some fairly unpleasant stuff abut women and foreigners. The rest of our circle did what we could to reason with them and talk them round, but they're both lost causes. We don't see a lot of them these days.
Similarly, since my dad retired, what little social interaction he had has now been limited to my mum, the dogs and the Daily Mail website. He's gone from being a pretty broad-minded centrist type to full-on "coming over here, taking our jobs" nutbaggery, and gets really angry when anyone tries to offer a remotely opposing view.
Conclusion: having people around you to say "Whoa, steady on, Oswald Moseley" is probably quite important."
Don't forget since he's retired.. In the last few years.. Much has changed. So it might just be that he is responding to changes that are unfolding in front of him rather than any particular website. It's been a very divisive few years and criticing people who have different opinions just exacerbates it. |
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"If you read/buy the sun/daily mail/ watch shit like gb news I would have no respect for you and I would keep you at arms length...fruit loops who believe in all their propaganda and bullshit
And also that Dan Wooton is a horrible gobshite
How can you make comparisons if you don't vary your sources ?"
Haha so with a reply like that you obviously read/watch all that shite...and from Merseyside as well,obviously not a scouser I'm guessing at the wirral or St Helens |
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"If you read/buy the sun/daily mail/ watch shit like gb news I would have no respect for you and I would keep you at arms length...fruit loops who believe in all their propaganda and bullshit
And also that Dan Wooton is a horrible gobshite
How can you make comparisons if you don't vary your sources ?
Haha so with a reply like that you obviously read/watch all that shite...and from Merseyside as well,obviously not a scouser I'm guessing at the wirral or St Helens "
It was a question. Try to answer it Boris. |
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"If you read/buy the sun/daily mail/ watch shit like gb news I would have no respect for you and I would keep you at arms length...fruit loops who believe in all their propaganda and bullshit
And also that Dan Wooton is a horrible gobshite
How can you make comparisons if you don't vary your sources ?
Agreed granny. There seems a lack of self awareness with some folks that they are behaving exactly the same as those they dislike. "
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Thank you Fabber's.
What a wide and varied range of replies !
It's very sad to hear of some of the extremes (with tragic consequences) some of you have experienced.
I think it's fair to say that rarely does anything ever good come from those caught in extreme echo chambers, nor befall them either.
As much as I feel I should challenge their more extreme views, it's clear that they are not in a position to spread those view to anyone else, and even if they did, it would not surprise me if their neighbours in the adjacent retired housing also shared the same opinions. It's a den of vipers I don't think it's worth dying in, much to my chagrin.
However, just listening to this chap James O'Brien could be worth a try.
(Currently listening to James O'Brien tries to find out what a Brexit voter thinks they voted for) and it's very interesting. |
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"An elderly relative seems to have succumbed to this news station on the TV and appears to have been "radicalised" somewhat by their constant stream of invectiveness.
It's getting harder and harder to bite one's lip and nod and smile. "That nice man Farage was on yesterday and he said.."
I feel we have a duty of care to our "oldsters" to prevent them falling deep down such rabbit holes, but the TV is the only company they keep due to geographical location, and they are housebound.
It's ironic really.
They probably worried about me when I was younger, what with all the temptations for youngsters...drugs (nope never did), trouble with the law (nope), wrong sort of company (ok, I'll 'fess up to that. We did used to meet up to listen to Bauhaus or Sisters of Mercy and read Byron or Poe and drink Snakebite). But apart from a frightfully UMC upbringing, not much went on.
They did steer me well through what could have been challenging times.
So it does break my heart a little to hear a weekly litany of vitriol directed to whoever GB News has been hating on that week.
How do others cope with wayward and impressionable kin such as this ?
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So because your elderly relative has different views to you they have been "radicalised"?
. I'm in my 50's and a Yorkshireman, and i am of an age where we were brought up to call a spade a spade, straight talking, and speak our minds. I no doubt have vastly different views of the world than someone in their 20'or 30's, but does that maje my views any less relevant than theirs? |
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"My mother is a conspiracy theorist and in the end, I've had to cut her off. Her behaviour has become very detrimental to others, including directly resulting in the death of her own father from the disease she doesn't believe exists. She fraternises with some deeply unpleasant and in my view, dangerous people and in the absence of response to reason, cutting ties was the next step.
Some people think it's funny when people bang on about global cabals and lizard people and suchlike, but it's really far from funny. "
Sorry to hear about your needless loss. Awful when you can't get through a closed mind set. |
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"An elderly relative seems to have succumbed to this news station on the TV and appears to have been "radicalised" somewhat by their constant stream of invectiveness.
It's getting harder and harder to bite one's lip and nod and smile. "That nice man Farage was on yesterday and he said.."
I feel we have a duty of care to our "oldsters" to prevent them falling deep down such rabbit holes, but the TV is the only company they keep due to geographical location, and they are housebound.
It's ironic really.
They probably worried about me when I was younger, what with all the temptations for youngsters...drugs (nope never did), trouble with the law (nope), wrong sort of company (ok, I'll 'fess up to that. We did used to meet up to listen to Bauhaus or Sisters of Mercy and read Byron or Poe and drink Snakebite). But apart from a frightfully UMC upbringing, not much went on.
They did steer me well through what could have been challenging times.
So it does break my heart a little to hear a weekly litany of vitriol directed to whoever GB News has been hating on that week.
How do others cope with wayward and impressionable kin such as this ?
So because your elderly relative has different views to you they have been "radicalised"?
. I'm in my 50's and a Yorkshireman, and i am of an age where we were brought up to call a spade a spade, straight talking, and speak our minds. I no doubt have vastly different views of the world than someone in their 20'or 30's, but does that maje my views any less relevant than theirs? "
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As one of the really old people many of you are referring to I have found this posting quite interesting.
I must confess that I have never heard of G.B.News let alone watched or listened to it.
I very rarely watch daytime T.V. I am not on any social media sites, I have a 12 year old Nokia mobile phone and still use a landline phone. This no doubt makes me a boring old fart in some peoples eyes.
I avoid the Covid Forum on here, and have had my 5 Covid vaccinations.
I am however very grateful to the nice people who stop and help pick me up whenever I fall over.
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So because your elderly relative has picked up different hateful, bigoted, racist views to you they have been "radicalised"?
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Fixed that for you, as you seem to have missed the whole point of my original post.
And yes, I'd call that being radicalised, when they were not previously.
I'm also in my 50's, and I'm an Englishman, and I am of an age where I was brought up to speak politely and gently to others so as not to offend anyone's sensibilities.
Funnily enough I have a friend from Harrogate and we are both lovers of the spoken word (we were both "Luvvies in the performing arts" at one point) but we rarely agree on social intercourse.
He is blunt and to the point, and I am the complete opposite. He likes forthrightedness. I abhor it. He hates metaphors. I adore them. He likes simplicity. I prefer nuance. He likes to know where he stands. I like to work it out myself.
Funny old world, eh ? |
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"For centuries villages respected their elders and sought their counsel. For good reason. "
There is an inherent danger in such a proposition however, and that's putting people on pedestals purely because they are village elders.
There *may* have been merit in that concept in a solely agrarian medieval culture, but with societal upheaval from the industrial revolution onwards, the role of the "village elder" was effectively replaced with the role of the business owner. And their priorities are quite different to that of a traditional village elder. You could argue it happened long before that with the end of feudalism.
But yes, you did say for "For centuries villages respected their elders and sought their counsel. For good reason."
I'm not sure about the "for good reason". More like people had no other choice. Bend the knee or be ostracised. Lovely.
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So let me get this right...
If you listen to news from people I don't like, you are brainwashed but if you listen to people I like, you are educated and enlightend...
And no I don't watch GB News or much any other news as it's generally not news but opinions.
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"So let me get this right...
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By then going on to demonstrate how little you comprehended from the original post.
In summary :
1. Media channel sprouting hateful views
2. Relative now sprouting hateful views.
3. Concerned other relative
I supposed if the roles were reversed by about 50 years, and the Beano which I read (I use that term "loosely") was awash with fascist propaganda, should my older relatives have been concerned ?
If yes, then am I not afforded the same concern for them ? |
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"So let me get this right...
If you listen to news from people I don't like, you are brainwashed but if you listen to people I like, you are educated and enlightend...
And no I don't watch GB News or much any other news as it's generally not news but opinions.
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Yep. That's about it. Oh and if you listen to people I don't like ill chuck in a few insults just to make my point even more true. |
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"For centuries villages respected their elders and sought their counsel. For good reason.
There is an inherent danger in such a proposition however, and that's putting people on pedestals purely because they are village elders.
There *may* have been merit in that concept in a solely agrarian medieval culture, but with societal upheaval from the industrial revolution onwards, the role of the "village elder" was effectively replaced with the role of the business owner. And their priorities are quite different to that of a traditional village elder. You could argue it happened long before that with the end of feudalism.
But yes, you did say for "For centuries villages respected their elders and sought their counsel. For good reason."
I'm not sure about the "for good reason". More like people had no other choice. Bend the knee or be ostracised. Lovely.
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Haha sure. But you've got it the wrong way round. People sought them for their advise. Families until recently were similar. Years of experience of making mistakes and getting things right have value. We ignore it possibly due to ignorance or arrogance. #notallolderfolk |
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"Haha sure. But you've got it the wrong way round. People sought them for their advise. Families until recently were similar. "
Which families are you referring to ? And how far back are you going, historically ?
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Years of experience of making mistakes and getting things right have value. We ignore it possibly due to ignorance or arrogance."
Or quite simply, irrelevance.
To be fair, my life views as a 50+ year old are about as relevant to my 13 year old nieces and nephews as my 90 year old relative's views are to me.
3 different generations, all who have lived in different ages, all with unique societal and peer pressures only relevant to them at that time.
I'm not sure I could dispense much more wisdom than "always wear a clean pair of smalls, in case you get knocked down by a bus".
Hopefully that's fairly universal and timeless advice. |
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"Haha sure. But you've got it the wrong way round. People sought them for their advise. Families until recently were similar.
Which families are you referring to ? And how far back are you going, historically ?
Years of experience of making mistakes and getting things right have value. We ignore it possibly due to ignorance or arrogance.
Or quite simply, irrelevance.
To be fair, my life views as a 50+ year old are about as relevant to my 13 year old nieces and nephews as my 90 year old relative's views are to me.
3 different generations, all who have lived in different ages, all with unique societal and peer pressures only relevant to them at that time.
I'm not sure I could dispense much more wisdom than "always wear a clean pair of smalls, in case you get knocked down by a bus".
Hopefully that's fairly universal and timeless advice."
If that's all you've got after 50 plus years that seems a shame but everyone is different. We can just agree to differ. |
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"Who are your relative's favourite presenters on GB News OP ? "
They've mentioned Alastair Stewart quite a lot, and Michael Portillo (I'm not sure if he presents or is a regular guest however). The only other person they mention is Farage. |
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