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"Are you upper, lower or middle class and does it matter to you?
If you were a middle class couple would you meet a lower class couple. ?"
I think classes do still exist but they are much more nuanced than upper middle and lower. They seem to be more behavioural and value classes or groupings than defined by wealth and family history. We seem to be increasingly quite happy to be divided by many attributes. |
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I'd suggest I'm class-confused. For various tedious and complicated reasons, I've switched more than once. Unfortunately, this means I no longer fit in anywhere – all classes now see me as an interloper. Can't win. |
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By *rettyflamingoWoman
over a year ago
Where the flamboyance of flamingos live |
I went out with a guy from Newcastle who would continually tell me I was upper class, the rows we had over it. My parents were working class and worked hard for the little money they had. I would say I was working class. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i think classes do mix
lady chatterly and her gardener for example..
i think its a bit judgemental to follow and confine yourself to a class... the most interesting people are usually at the far extremeties of it
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I’m not really sure what the distinction between the classes is these days"
Private school? Upper class
Got new consoles/expensive new toys within a year of them coming out? Middle class
Neither of the above? Working class |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m not really sure what the distinction between the classes is these days
Private school? Upper class
Got new consoles/expensive new toys within a year of them coming out? Middle class
Neither of the above? Working class "
If you don't know the distinction?
Upper class.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m not really sure what the distinction between the classes is these days
Private school? Upper class
Got new consoles/expensive new toys within a year of them coming out? Middle class
Neither of the above? Working class
If you don't know the distinction?
Upper class.."
I think I’m middle then, although I drive a shit car because I hate the whole Keeping up with the Jones’s mentality and buying cars that people can’t afford seems to be the hallmark of that these days |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think people have a terrible habit of conflating money with class.
Are classes in this sense not just about who owns the means of production? Eg you own the factory - upper, run the factory - middle, work in the factory - lower.
It's all a bit redundant now with so many people having university educations and many jobs you wear a suit to paying way less than tradesmen or manual workers are getting! |
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No idea what defines class any more.
I always thought of myself as working class as that's where my roots are. Brought up on a council estate in South London. Mum worked in a pub, step dad a builder.
I got a good education, have a well paid white collar 9-5 job, own my own home, and have travelled and enjoy a lifestyle my forebears would never have enjoyed.
If I'd been born in to my current circumstances, I would probably be classed as middle class.
All I now is I was brought up to treat everyone with respect and treat everyone the same, so class becomes irrelevant |
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By (user no longer on site)
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People who are real upper class don't keep up with the Joneses.
They drive an old Volvo, Saab or Land Rover. Wear clothes like jeans and a shirt / tie combo that doesn't look right.
People who try too hard are more likely middle class. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Many people will base this on money, property and material things.. but I think it can also come down to the class of an individual.
Regardless of where they're from or what they have achieved in life. |
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I don’t even know what the class system is.
Who decides who’s in what class? What is it based on?
I was in most of the lower classes in school if that helps. Come to think of it that probably explains why i don’t know what the class system is  |
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So, if someone from a working class background who went to a comprehensive and went to work the day they left school, but now lives in a million pound house, drives a 70k car and six figures in the bank, still be regarded as working class… |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A hilarious and informative book about class is ' watching the english' l think the author is kate fox ,it covers all aspects of the class system in a funny and extensive way ,the pub section is brill. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, if someone from a working class background who went to a comprehensive and went to work the day they left school, but now lives in a million pound house, drives a 70k car and six figures in the bank, still be regarded as working class…"
yes
in the same way if they made money farting in jam jars and selling on adult sites wont make you a lord or a lady regard less of how much money you made...
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, if someone from a working class background who went to a comprehensive and went to work the day they left school, but now lives in a million pound house, drives a 70k car and six figures in the bank, still be regarded as working class…
yes
in the same way if they made money farting in jam jars and selling on adult sites wont make you a lord or a lady regard less of how much money you made...
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So you mean you have to be born a lord or lady ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, if someone from a working class background who went to a comprehensive and went to work the day they left school, but now lives in a million pound house, drives a 70k car and six figures in the bank, still be regarded as working class…
yes
in the same way if they made money farting in jam jars and selling on adult sites wont make you a lord or a lady regard less of how much money you made...
So you mean you have to be born a lord or lady ?"
or get a peerage... my poimt is its not just money is it?
its normally old money..
or the right friends |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No idea and no it doesn’t matter to me. Surely the class thing is sooooo outdated now. Never even crosses my mind and I honestly couldn’t care a jot. "
If only  I actually think class differences (financial and cultural) are still very distinct in terms of employment, relationships and life chances. Working class boys for example by far worst education outcomes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, if someone from a working class background who went to a comprehensive and went to work the day they left school, but now lives in a million pound house, drives a 70k car and six figures in the bank, still be regarded as working class…
yes
in the same way if they made money farting in jam jars and selling on adult sites wont make you a lord or a lady regard less of how much money you made...
So you mean you have to be born a lord or lady ?
or get a peerage... my poimt is its not just money is it?
its normally old money..
or the right friends"
I get it but I don't get it  |
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I've always maintained that swinging is the grand leveler of all human greatness. If you are the chairman of an international corporation and can't get it up you are as poor as a church mouse, but if you happen to empty the bins for a living but also happen to be well blessed, a heavy cummer, and a fast repeater, then you are king of the castle! |
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I think these are the sorts of questions that perpetuate divides. Class is something I refuse to acknowledge. Respect should be something rooted in equality, and classist systems are most definitely not equal. |
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"I’m not really sure what the distinction between the classes is these days
Private school? Upper class
Got new consoles/expensive new toys within a year of them coming out? Middle class
Neither of the above? Working class "
Funny enough... Lots of new money putting their kids through private school system, doing the best for their kids any way they can. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Are you upper, lower or middle class and does it matter to you?
If you were a middle class couple would you meet a lower class couple. ?"
If it's right ..it's right...class doesn't come into it . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Classes is to do with the lifestyle YOU had growing up.
So if your parents were wealthy, you went to holidays around the world as a child, went to private school etc - you are upper class.
People get so prudish about what makes it what it is but that is ultimately it. If you grew up in a council house eating beans on toast regularly, you are working class.
You can change that in your own careers but ultimately it's to do with your ORIGIN STORY |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Classes is to do with the lifestyle YOU had growing up.
So if your parents were wealthy, you went to holidays around the world as a child, went to private school etc - you are upper class.
People get so prudish about what makes it what it is but that is ultimately it. If you grew up in a council house eating beans on toast regularly, you are working class.
You can change that in your own careers but ultimately it's to do with your ORIGIN STORY "
So how do you define lower class ? |
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The rich arrived in pairs
And also in Rolls Royces
They talked of their affairs
In loud and strident voices.
The poor arrived in Fords
Whose features they resembled
And laughed to see so many lords
And ladies all assembled.
The people in between
Looked underdone and harassed
And out of place and mean
And horribly embarrassed.
Hilaire Belloc "The Garden Party"
Doesn't strictly answer the question, but is still extremely perceptive. And you don't have to edit (delete rich, insert fab) it much before it's true of many swingers' clubs.  |
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"I think these are the sorts of questions that perpetuate divides. Class is something I refuse to acknowledge. Respect should be something rooted in equality, and classist systems are most definitely not equal."
You're right, they're not equal. That's why we should expose and resist them every chance we get.
My theory is that it is only the middle class who deny the class system still exists. The upper class refuse to let it go. And the working class sure as shit know it's atill around. |
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By *ames-77Man
over a year ago
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"Are you upper, lower or middle class and does it matter to you?
If you were a middle class couple would you meet a lower class couple. ?"
And in your opinion how would you describe each of these classes ? |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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I don’t like uk obsession with class. It fuels a belief of pre destination and socialism as the answer , that what you are born into limits you for life and you are trapped. That might be true in parts of India, Asia but not the UK. That’s why so many immigrants come to the UK & here in Dubai with nothing and 2-3 generations later are multi-millionaires, because there is no class barriers to success.
But people believe it, mostly working class people.
I think the classes don’t mix because of culture not class. I love people and will get on with anyone regardless of background; wealth etc but if they have been brought up regularly going to opera and ballet instead of gigs and festivals we want have much in common.
Also if they play lottery, fruit machines or online gambling ,,watch a lot of porn , drink alcohol every night or go to the chippy often, we won’t have much in common.
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By *asual777Man
over a year ago
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One of the main reasons I left the U.K. borderline caste system rather then class system . Massive glass ceilings everywhere . Jobs for the jolly good chaps. Prime minister after prime minister who went to Eton then Oxford. Behaving poorly but getting voted in . A royal family with a terrible record of protecting awful behaviour but would get 80 per cent approval tomorrow if there was a referendum . A National Stockholm syndrome of sorts … |
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Class?
Didn't we all graduate high school.
Boot camp?
College?
Trade school?
I do not hear any bells ringing anymore.
Nobody telling me I hafta study for a pop quiz t'morrow.
The way I see shit, if this website ever went public and global, we'd ALL be ZERO class. That'd be my guess.
Perhaps that is why WE are ALL here?
I dunno.
T.G.I.F. you sexy FABbers!
-M
Ohio
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Interesting to see so many people denying class is still a thing.
I wonder if they feel the same way about racism, sexism, and all the other ingrained structural inequalities.
Refusing to accept something is an issue, or pretending it magically doesn't affect you, doesn't make it go away. |
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