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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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James McAvoy is a Scottish actor with links to Idi Amin who was once the Heavyweight Boxing champion of Uganda.
He has taken a stage show to Scotland called Cyrano de Bergerac which is the story of a French soldier with a big nose. Apparently some of the actors were racially abused in a place called Glasgow which is famous for being the home of Iron Brew. Now are these people actually racist or just not a fan of the French? |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
It wasn't just racial abuse, it was also sexist.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-63807748
Some people are just dicks. I suspect it could have happened anywhere, even Essex.
Apparently some down there aren't big fans of the French.......
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"James McAvoy is a Scottish actor with links to Idi Amin who was once the Heavyweight Boxing champion of Uganda."
By which you mean he was in a film called The Last King of Scotland. About Idi Amin.
In that case I have links to that child killer King Herod. I've acted in a nativity |
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"James McAvoy is a Scottish actor with links to Idi Amin who was once the Heavyweight Boxing champion of Uganda.
By which you mean he was in a film called The Last King of Scotland. About Idi Amin.
In that case I have links to that child killer King Herod. I've acted in a nativity "
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
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"James McAvoy is a Scottish actor with links to Idi Amin who was once the Heavyweight Boxing champion of Uganda.
He has taken a stage show to Scotland called Cyrano de Bergerac which is the story of a French soldier with a big nose. Apparently some of the actors were racially abused in a place called Glasgow which is famous for being the home of Iron Brew. Now are these people actually racist or just not a fan of the French? "
just Scottish and sarcasm is their chosen humour  |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"James McAvoy is a Scottish actor with links to Idi Amin who was once the Heavyweight Boxing champion of Uganda.
By which you mean he was in a film called The Last King of Scotland. About Idi Amin.
In that case I have links to that child killer King Herod. I've acted in a nativity "
I have links to Eeyore.
I was the Donkey..... 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You’re dog whistling again Tom
Why ? This is actually a sad and serious story about racism. James McEvoy said he couldn't wait to leave Glasgow.  "
Because he lightheartedly suggested it was abuse against people with big noses, when he knows full well it was black women, and only black women. He's playing to his crowd of people who are willing to make jokes about a serious matter, turning these women inanimate an object of humour as well as abuse. It's not funny, stick to funny animal stories. |
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"You’re dog whistling again Tom
Why ? This is actually a sad and serious story about racism. James McEvoy said he couldn't wait to leave Glasgow.
Because he lightheartedly suggested it was abuse against the French when he knows full well it was black women, and only black women. He's playing to his crowd of people who are willing to make jokes about a serious matter, turning these women into an object of humour as well as abuse. It's not funny, stick to funny animal stories."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You’re dog whistling again Tom
Why ? This is actually a sad and serious story about racism. James McEvoy said he couldn't wait to leave Glasgow.
Because he lightheartedly suggested it was abuse against people with big noses, when he knows full well it was black women, and only black women. He's playing to his crowd of people who are willing to make jokes about a serious matter, turning these women inanimate an object of humour as well as abuse. It's not funny, stick to funny animal stories."
I've no idea who Tom's 'crowd' is but I imagine most people can easily separate Tom's style from the serious content. I certainly can and am glad he highlighted the story. |
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"You’re dog whistling again Tom
Why ? This is actually a sad and serious story about racism. James McEvoy said he couldn't wait to leave Glasgow.
Because he lightheartedly suggested it was abuse against people with big noses, when he knows full well it was black women, and only black women. He's playing to his crowd of people who are willing to make jokes about a serious matter, turning these women inanimate an object of humour as well as abuse. It's not funny, stick to funny animal stories.
I've no idea who Tom's 'crowd' is but I imagine most people can easily separate Tom's style from the serious content. I certainly can and am glad he highlighted the story. "
Good for them, if they can actually see this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, it's not because of anything Tom posted. So really, there are 3 (4?) ways to respond to this:
1) Take it face value, and not bother to understand the actual story and laugh at it
2) Understand this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, but laugh because it's a Tom thread
3) Understand this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, and highlight that
4) Do nothing and don't post.
I'm sorry for being in Camp 3 if this offends anyone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’m Scottish. I’m not a racist or bigoted. I love all creeds, colours, ethnic origins, big, little, fat and thin. We do use sarcasm as wit and no one is safe when it comes to piss taking. Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc. god Forebid we mention the World Cup and England or again we will be shot with shit for being Scottish and racist. Consider the context I think before hanging the offender |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Good for them, if they can actually see this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, it's not because of anything Tom posted."
But that's obviously not true. The thread is literally titled Scottish Racism and I only know about the story because of the thread, so thanks Tom. Your first response actually diverted the thread with a dig at the OP. So enough derailing and back to the story.  |
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"Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc. "
I hope to god that you're unfamiliar with the story. Black women were repeatedly verbally abused night after night. Banter? |
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"James McAvoy is a Scottish actor with links to Idi Amin who was once the Heavyweight Boxing champion of Uganda.
By which you mean he was in a film called The Last King of Scotland. About Idi Amin.
In that case I have links to that child killer King Herod. I've acted in a nativity "
You are a goddam genius |
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"Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc.
I hope to god that you're unfamiliar with the story. Black women were repeatedly verbally abused night after night. Banter? "
The abuse was in the street, not on stage. |
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"Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc.
I hope to god that you're unfamiliar with the story. Black women were repeatedly verbally abused night after night. Banter?
The abuse was in the street, not on stage."
I'm not sure how that's relevant. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc.
I hope to god that you're unfamiliar with the story. Black women were repeatedly verbally abused night after night. Banter? "
I didn’t read the story I just read Scottish racism and it got my back up. So no I don’t know the story, maybe I should have read before commenting. Scot’s aren’t famed for patience |
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"I’m Scottish. I’m not a racist or bigoted. I love all creeds, colours, ethnic origins, big, little, fat and thin. We do use sarcasm as wit and no one is safe when it comes to piss taking. Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc. god Forebid we mention the World Cup and England or again we will be shot with shit for being Scottish and racist. Consider the context I think before hanging the offender "
Is your "I'm not racist or bigoted" a disclaimer before you pass off racism as "banter"? |
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"Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc.
I hope to god that you're unfamiliar with the story. Black women were repeatedly verbally abused night after night. Banter? "
One of my veris is from an Indian couple. I have an Achilles heal for different races etc so most definitely not a racist. I’ll think before I comment next time , or educate myself |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"You’re dog whistling again Tom
Why ? This is actually a sad and serious story about racism. James McEvoy said he couldn't wait to leave Glasgow.
Because he lightheartedly suggested it was abuse against people with big noses, when he knows full well it was black women, and only black women. He's playing to his crowd of people who are willing to make jokes about a serious matter, turning these women inanimate an object of humour as well as abuse. It's not funny, stick to funny animal stories.
I've no idea who Tom's 'crowd' is but I imagine most people can easily separate Tom's style from the serious content. I certainly can and am glad he highlighted the story.
Good for them, if they can actually see this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, it's not because of anything Tom posted. So really, there are 3 (4?) ways to respond to this:
1) Take it face value, and not bother to understand the actual story and laugh at it
2) Understand this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, but laugh because it's a Tom thread
3) Understand this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, and highlight that
4) Do nothing and don't post.
I'm sorry for being in Camp 3 if this offends anyone."
Or(5) Read the Tits out Thursday thread instead and avoid Tom the Poster ... |
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"I’m Scottish. I’m not a racist or bigoted. I love all creeds, colours, ethnic origins, big, little, fat and thin. We do use sarcasm as wit and no one is safe when it comes to piss taking. Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc. god Forebid we mention the World Cup and England or again we will be shot with shit for being Scottish and racist. Consider the context I think before hanging the offender
Is your "I'm not racist or bigoted" a disclaimer before you pass off racism as "banter"?"
I didn’t know the story as I’ve commented. My bad for my ignorance and no I’m not a racist. Veris will show that I’m sure. Hitting before thinking is my stupidity |
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"Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc.
I hope to god that you're unfamiliar with the story. Black women were repeatedly verbally abused night after night. Banter?
The abuse was in the street, not on stage.
I'm not sure how that's relevant."
Because you said 'night after night' suggesting you hadn't actually read the story. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Good for them, if they can actually see this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, it's not because of anything Tom posted.
But that's obviously not true. The thread is literally titled Scottish Racism and I only know about the story because of the thread, so thanks Tom. Your first response actually diverted the thread with a dig at the OP. So enough derailing and back to the story. "
First Tom sets the scene by making nonsense up about MacAvoy like it's real when it's just a mash of parts he's played, which is kinda funny and tongue in cheek. Then he suggests the play is about a man with a big nose, when it clearly isn't, it's about a French Soldier. This is playing to stereotypes about the gallic nose and suggesting it's funny and worthy of making fun of. Then he says cast were abused and suggests this might be because the Glaswegians don't like the French. They are not French. They are black women. Here's the actual details:
-- “The cast were amazing, it was brilliant. But I was really saddened, to be honest with you, because most of the women of colour in the cast got racially abused pretty much on a daily basis when we were there.” The abuse, he says, was sexually explicit and violent, and entirely directed toward female actors. “I was just really saddened. I was absolutely shocked and dismayed and to use a Scottish word, scunnered.”
"I’m Scottish. I’m not a racist or bigoted. I love all creeds, colours, ethnic origins, big, little, fat and thin. We do use sarcasm as wit and no one is safe when it comes to piss taking. Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc. god Forebid we mention the World Cup and England or again we will be shot with shit for being Scottish and racist. Consider the context I think before hanging the offender "
Show me the fun banter in explicit violent abuse of black woman only. This is the context. The context NOT "Oh, Scots have edgy banter, we're lovable rogues so we can get away with shit"
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
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"Could have been worse they could have been a belgium"
Traditionally since WWI and WWII the Belgens saw the English as saviours and held us in high regard. I should imagine that quite rightly that no longer applies. |
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"Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc.
I hope to god that you're unfamiliar with the story. Black women were repeatedly verbally abused night after night. Banter?
The abuse was in the street, not on stage.
I'm not sure how that's relevant.
Because you said 'night after night' suggesting you hadn't actually read the story."
It *was* night after night. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Good for them, if they can actually see this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, it's not because of anything Tom posted.
But that's obviously not true. The thread is literally titled Scottish Racism and I only know about the story because of the thread, so thanks Tom. Your first response actually diverted the thread with a dig at the OP. So enough derailing and back to the story.
First Tom sets the scene by making nonsense up about MacAvoy like it's real when it's just a mash of parts he's played, which is kinda funny and tongue in cheek. Then he suggests the play is about a man with a big nose, when it clearly isn't, it's about a French Soldier. This is playing to stereotypes about the gallic nose and suggesting it's funny and worthy of making fun of. Then he says cast were abused and suggests this might be because the Glaswegians don't like the French. They are not French. They are black women. Here's the actual details:
-- “The cast were amazing, it was brilliant. But I was really saddened, to be honest with you, because most of the women of colour in the cast got racially abused pretty much on a daily basis when we were there.” The abuse, he says, was sexually explicit and violent, and entirely directed toward female actors. “I was just really saddened. I was absolutely shocked and dismayed and to use a Scottish word, scunnered.”
I’m Scottish. I’m not a racist or bigoted. I love all creeds, colours, ethnic origins, big, little, fat and thin. We do use sarcasm as wit and no one is safe when it comes to piss taking. Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc. god Forebid we mention the World Cup and England or again we will be shot with shit for being Scottish and racist. Consider the context I think before hanging the offender
Show me the fun banter in explicit violent abuse of black woman only. This is the context. The context NOT "Oh, Scots have edgy banter, we're lovable rogues so we can get away with shit"
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Therefore I condemn them. Disgusting behaviour towards women or men and I shall delete my Tuppence worth comment. I should have known the context before commenting |
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"Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc.
I hope to god that you're unfamiliar with the story. Black women were repeatedly verbally abused night after night. Banter?
The abuse was in the street, not on stage.
I'm not sure how that's relevant.
Because you said 'night after night' suggesting you hadn't actually read the story.
It *was* night after night."
Night after night is an odd expression to use for a daily occurence of street racism, especially when discussing a theatre performance which does take place, 'night after night'. It certainly implies the racism was directed at the performance, which it wasnt. But each to their own. |
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"Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc.
I hope to god that you're unfamiliar with the story. Black women were repeatedly verbally abused night after night. Banter?
The abuse was in the street, not on stage.
I'm not sure how that's relevant.
Because you said 'night after night' suggesting you hadn't actually read the story.
It *was* night after night.
Night after night is an odd expression to use for a daily occurence of street racism, especially when discussing a theatre performance which does take place, 'night after night'. It certainly implies the racism was directed at the performance, which it wasnt. But each to their own."
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
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Good for them, if they can actually see this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, it's not because of anything Tom posted.
But that's obviously not true. The thread is literally titled Scottish Racism and I only know about the story because of the thread, so thanks Tom. Your first response actually diverted the thread with a dig at the OP. So enough derailing and back to the story.
First Tom sets the scene by making nonsense up about MacAvoy like it's real when it's just a mash of parts he's played, which is kinda funny and tongue in cheek. Then he suggests the play is about a man with a big nose, when it clearly isn't, it's about a French Soldier. This is playing to stereotypes about the gallic nose and suggesting it's funny and worthy of making fun of. Then he says cast were abused and suggests this might be because the Glaswegians don't like the French. They are not French. They are black women. Here's the actual details:
-- “The cast were amazing, it was brilliant. But I was really saddened, to be honest with you, because most of the women of colour in the cast got racially abused pretty much on a daily basis when we were there.” The abuse, he says, was sexually explicit and violent, and entirely directed toward female actors. “I was just really saddened. I was absolutely shocked and dismayed and to use a Scottish word, scunnered.”
I’m Scottish. I’m not a racist or bigoted. I love all creeds, colours, ethnic origins, big, little, fat and thin. We do use sarcasm as wit and no one is safe when it comes to piss taking. Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc. god Forebid we mention the World Cup and England or again we will be shot with shit for being Scottish and racist. Consider the context I think before hanging the offender
Show me the fun banter in explicit violent abuse of black woman only. This is the context. The context NOT "Oh, Scots have edgy banter, we're lovable rogues so we can get away with shit"
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And there was Tom thinking that the story of Cyrano de Bergerac was a story about a French soldier with a massive nose .... Who would of thought that Steve Martin could of got this so wrong in the Film 'Roxanne' ...
Tom will avoid these threads and stick to, 'Get Your Tits Out for the Boys' who could that possibly offend. . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I dont think Glasgows any different from anywhere else in Britain. We have our fair share of arseholes. Its sad that it happened at all but particularly so that it happened every night.
The people who did this do not reflect me or my values and Im sure most people in Scotland and indeed Britain will feel the same. |
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Good for them, if they can actually see this is actually a sad and serious story about racism, it's not because of anything Tom posted.
But that's obviously not true. The thread is literally titled Scottish Racism and I only know about the story because of the thread, so thanks Tom. Your first response actually diverted the thread with a dig at the OP. So enough derailing and back to the story.
First Tom sets the scene by making nonsense up about MacAvoy like it's real when it's just a mash of parts he's played, which is kinda funny and tongue in cheek. Then he suggests the play is about a man with a big nose, when it clearly isn't, it's about a French Soldier. This is playing to stereotypes about the gallic nose and suggesting it's funny and worthy of making fun of. Then he says cast were abused and suggests this might be because the Glaswegians don't like the French. They are not French. They are black women. Here's the actual details:
-- “The cast were amazing, it was brilliant. But I was really saddened, to be honest with you, because most of the women of colour in the cast got racially abused pretty much on a daily basis when we were there.” The abuse, he says, was sexually explicit and violent, and entirely directed toward female actors. “I was just really saddened. I was absolutely shocked and dismayed and to use a Scottish word, scunnered.”
I’m Scottish. I’m not a racist or bigoted. I love all creeds, colours, ethnic origins, big, little, fat and thin. We do use sarcasm as wit and no one is safe when it comes to piss taking. Unfortunately we live in a snowflake society where you dare to say anything about anyone then you’re categorised. What happened to a bit fun, banter etc etc. god Forebid we mention the World Cup and England or again we will be shot with shit for being Scottish and racist. Consider the context I think before hanging the offender
Show me the fun banter in explicit violent abuse of black woman only. This is the context. The context NOT "Oh, Scots have edgy banter, we're lovable rogues so we can get away with shit"
And there was Tom thinking that the story of Cyrano de Bergerac was a story about a French soldier with a massive nose .... Who would of thought that Steve Martin could of got this so wrong in the Film 'Roxanne' ...
Tom will avoid these threads and stick to, 'Get Your Tits Out for the Boys' who could that possibly offend. ."
Only if you all agree to get your balls out for the girls… |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Therefore I condemn them. Disgusting behaviour towards women or men and I shall delete my Tuppence worth comment. I should have known the context before commenting "
I do appreciate it actually, makes a refreshing change from the doubling down that people so often engage in.
It's worth having a think about why your first reaction was "must be snowflakes" and be willing to state that, rather than "Is that true, if so" though. It's this everyday lack of challenge when people try to be edgy and easy acceptance of it that perpetuates all the 'ism's, racism, sexism, ageism etc. |
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And there was Tom thinking that the story of Cyrano de Bergerac was a story about a French soldier with a massive nose .... Who would of thought that Steve Martin could of got this so wrong in the Film 'Roxanne' ...
Tom will avoid these threads and stick to, 'Get Your Tits Out for the Boys' who could that possibly offend. ."
Tom, if you can state to me/us that you had no idea that this abuse was directed solely at black women and was particularly nasty and repetitive, I'll happily just assume this is you going off half cocked on a story you hadn't actually bothered to read. Can you do that? |
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It *was* night after night.
Night after night is an odd expression to use for a daily occurence of street racism, especially when discussing a theatre performance which does take place, 'night after night'. It certainly implies the racism was directed at the performance, which it wasnt. But each to their own.
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No idea what that response is for. The racism was in the street, not in the theatre. Although if you seriously think Cyrano de Bergerac is not about a man with a large nose perhaps facts are not your thing !  |
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It *was* night after night.
Night after night is an odd expression to use for a daily occurence of street racism, especially when discussing a theatre performance which does take place, 'night after night'. It certainly implies the racism was directed at the performance, which it wasnt. But each to their own.
No idea what that response is for. The racism was in the street, not in the theatre. Although if you seriously think Cyrano de Bergerac is not about a man with a large nose perhaps facts are not your thing ! "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrano_de_Bergerac
Feel free to find the word 'nose' in this. You'll struggle.
Also tell me why it matters 2 shits where the abuse takes place. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It *was* night after night.
Night after night is an odd expression to use for a daily occurence of street racism, especially when discussing a theatre performance which does take place, 'night after night'. It certainly implies the racism was directed at the performance, which it wasnt. But each to their own.
No idea what that response is for. The racism was in the street, not in the theatre. Although if you seriously think Cyrano de Bergerac is not about a man with a large nose perhaps facts are not your thing !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrano_de_Bergerac
Feel free to find the word 'nose' in this. You'll struggle.
Also tell me why it matters 2 shits where the abuse takes place."
You've sent a link to the person, not the play ! If you use the correct link you'll see it includes the phrase 'obnoxiously large nose'.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrano_de_Bergerac_(play)
Facts always matter, I hope. And falsely suggesting there was racism in the theatre is damaging to its reputation.
I'll bow out now, and thanks again to Tom for highlighting this story. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You've sent a link to the person, not the play ! If you use the correct link you'll see it includes the phrase 'obnoxiously large nose'.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrano_de_Bergerac_(play)
Facts always matter, I hope. And falsely suggesting there was racism in the theatre is damaging to its reputation.
I'll bow out now, and thanks again to Tom for highlighting this story."
Well, congrats for leaving with a crumb of victory, and thanks for bowing out publicly. |
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"Facts always matter, I hope. And falsely suggesting there was racism in the theatre is damaging to its reputation.."
But no one did suggest that! For some reason, you've chosen to latch onto that and argue against a position that doesn't exist.
I think it's much more interesting and worthwhile to discuss the actual issue that the OP made light of. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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And there was Tom thinking that the story of Cyrano de Bergerac was a story about a French soldier with a massive nose .... Who would of thought that Steve Martin could of got this so wrong in the Film 'Roxanne' ...
Tom will avoid these threads and stick to, 'Get Your Tits Out for the Boys' who could that possibly offend. .
Tom, if you can state to me/us that you had no idea that this abuse was directed solely at black women and was particularly nasty and repetitive, I'll happily just assume this is you going off half cocked on a story you hadn't actually bothered to read. Can you do that?"
Mousey. I have no desire to engage with the Forum Police. I respect the moderators that carry out that role. I am sure that they are empowered to deal with 'Toms crowd' whoever they may be ..
Leave Tom be. He has posted about monks, bicycle crime and Cyrano de Bergerac today and may post about a crocodile attack later depending on his schedule .. perhaps there will be something in there to offend those who are not in 'Toms Crowd' ... Dehumanising Crocodiles perhaps? |
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"James McAvoy is a Scottish actor with links to Idi Amin who was once the Heavyweight Boxing champion of Uganda.
He has taken a stage show to Scotland called Cyrano de Bergerac which is the story of a French soldier with a big nose. Apparently some of the actors were racially abused in a place called Glasgow which is famous for being the home of Iron Brew. Now are these people actually racist or just not a fan of the French? "
It’s called Irn Bru. |
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"Facts always matter, I hope. And falsely suggesting there was racism in the theatre is damaging to its reputation..
But no one did suggest that! For some reason, you've chosen to latch onto that and argue against a position that doesn't exist.
I think it's much more interesting and worthwhile to discuss the actual issue that the OP made light of."
Amazing how we got to that as the thing to clutch onto when you start from saying "This is actually a sad and serious story about racism. James McEvoy said he couldn't wait to leave Glasgow. " At what point did it stop being a sad and serious story and instead one to hunker down on made up details whilst being a general apologist for all the shitty behaviour - mind actually blown here. |
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And there was Tom thinking that the story of Cyrano de Bergerac was a story about a French soldier with a massive nose .... Who would of thought that Steve Martin could of got this so wrong in the Film 'Roxanne' ...
Tom will avoid these threads and stick to, 'Get Your Tits Out for the Boys' who could that possibly offend. .
Tom, if you can state to me/us that you had no idea that this abuse was directed solely at black women and was particularly nasty and repetitive, I'll happily just assume this is you going off half cocked on a story you hadn't actually bothered to read. Can you do that?
Mousey. I have no desire to engage with the Forum Police. I respect the moderators that carry out that role. I am sure that they are empowered to deal with 'Toms crowd' whoever they may be ..
Leave Tom be. He has posted about monks, bicycle crime and Cyrano de Bergerac today and may post about a crocodile attack later depending on his schedule .. perhaps there will be something in there to offend those who are not in 'Toms Crowd' ... Dehumanising Crocodiles perhaps?"
You know it would have been quicker to say "no" |
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And there was Tom thinking that the story of Cyrano de Bergerac was a story about a French soldier with a massive nose .... Who would of thought that Steve Martin could of got this so wrong in the Film 'Roxanne' ...
Tom will avoid these threads and stick to, 'Get Your Tits Out for the Boys' who could that possibly offend. .
Tom, if you can state to me/us that you had no idea that this abuse was directed solely at black women and was particularly nasty and repetitive, I'll happily just assume this is you going off half cocked on a story you hadn't actually bothered to read. Can you do that?
Mousey. I have no desire to engage with the Forum Police. I respect the moderators that carry out that role. I am sure that they are empowered to deal with 'Toms crowd' whoever they may be ..
Leave Tom be. He has posted about monks, bicycle crime and Cyrano de Bergerac today and may post about a crocodile attack later depending on his schedule .. perhaps there will be something in there to offend those who are not in 'Toms Crowd' ... Dehumanising Crocodiles perhaps?"
Tom,
I’m so glad you didn’t call those Glaswegian types “evil buggers”. This thread could have gone off the scale! |
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perhaps there will be something in there to offend those who are not in 'Toms Crowd' ... Dehumanising Crocodiles perhaps?"
Which stage are Tom Crowd and the Dehumanising Crocodiles performing on at Glastonbury ? |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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Therefore I condemn them. Disgusting behaviour towards women or men and I shall delete my Tuppence worth comment. I should have known the context before commenting
I do appreciate it actually, makes a refreshing change from the doubling down that people so often engage in.
It's worth having a think about why your first reaction was "must be snowflakes" and be willing to state that, rather than "Is that true, if so" though. It's this everyday lack of challenge when people try to be edgy and easy acceptance of it that perpetuates all the 'ism's, racism, sexism, ageism etc."
Agreed. The point at which 'edgy banter' becomes abuse is much earlier than we seem to accept on an everyday basis. We seem to have become inured as a society to this sort of stuff, and it's horribly unsurprising that this was allowed to happen repeatedly, whether literally 'night after night' or not.
I'd like to think it just takes one right-minded person to stand up against it for others to follow, but maybe the possibility of a smack in the chops - equally possible in Glasgow, Chelmsford or Salisbury - puts most people off.
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"Facts always matter, I hope. And falsely suggesting there was racism in the theatre is damaging to its reputation..
But no one did suggest that! For some reason, you've chosen to latch onto that and argue against a position that doesn't exist.
I think it's much more interesting and worthwhile to discuss the actual issue that the OP made light of.
Amazing how we got to that as the thing to clutch onto when you start from saying "This is actually a sad and serious story about racism. James McEvoy said he couldn't wait to leave Glasgow. " At what point did it stop being a sad and serious story and instead one to hunker down on made up details whilst being a general apologist for all the shitty behaviour - mind actually blown here."
I wish my mind was blown, but it isn't. Par for the course, sadly, on threads like this. But keep fighting the good fight, Danger. |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"James McAvoy is a Scottish actor with links to Idi Amin who was once the Heavyweight Boxing champion of Uganda.
He has taken a stage show to Scotland called Cyrano de Bergerac which is the story of a French soldier with a big nose. Apparently some of the actors were racially abused in a place called Glasgow which is famous for being the home of Iron Brew. Now are these people actually racist or just not a fan of the French?
It’s called Irn Bru. "
It is indeed, and its 'home' is actually in Cumbernauld outside Glasgow, although the birthplace of the first iron brew drink was the USA.
As for this being what makes Glasgow famous... |
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By *ornLordMan
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"Oh god,the op just brushes aside idi amin as a boxer or something
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I guess a tenuous grasp of political, historical and social matters to which a heavy filter of popular culture is applied does that sort of thing. |
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"Leave Tom be. He has posted about monks, bicycle crime and Cyrano de Bergerac today and may post about a crocodile attack later depending on his schedule .. "
Tom actually posted about racist attacks, not Cyrano de Bergerac. Yet the fact he continues to make light of it and just dismiss 'the forum police' is deeply disturbing.
Maybe Tom needs to consider that there are no forum police (apart from the moderators, obviously). There are just other forum users fully entitled to call out what they see as unhelpful or nasty posts by others. |
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perhaps there will be something in there to offend those who are not in 'Toms Crowd' ... Dehumanising Crocodiles perhaps?
Which stage are Tom Crowd and the Dehumanising Crocodiles performing on at Glastonbury ? "
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Therefore I condemn them. Disgusting behaviour towards women or men and I shall delete my Tuppence worth comment. I should have known the context before commenting
I do appreciate it actually, makes a refreshing change from the doubling down that people so often engage in.
It's worth having a think about why your first reaction was "must be snowflakes" and be willing to state that, rather than "Is that true, if so" though. It's this everyday lack of challenge when people try to be edgy and easy acceptance of it that perpetuates all the 'ism's, racism, sexism, ageism etc."
Yes to all of this. Great posts DM. |
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