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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have no idea whether it was offside or not because I don't know what that means 
However my husband is normally quite spot on with these kind of things and even the commentators said they couldn't see anything.
On my thread yesterday somebody predicted this would happen and we all thought they were being conspiratorial not so sure now! |
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"Opening match just kicked off between Qatar and Ecuador.....
That was a valid goal from Ecuador and should not have been ruled out as off side!
There wasn't even a foul! 
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If that goal wasn't offside it was definitely a foul if it wasn't a foul it was definitely LBW
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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I was tempted to say this keeper is so bad he might go missing before match 2…. But I was trying to save my tasteless jokes for further than 30 minutes into the tournament… |
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By *ot-Ash OP Man
over a year ago
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"I was tempted to say this keeper is so bad he might go missing before match 2…. But I was trying to save my tasteless jokes for further than 30 minutes into the tournament… "
I will look forward to reading more of your Jokes in the second half  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
If you are the Dutch manager watching this and you don’t finish top of this group… you deserve to get sacked
Plus remember this runner up of this group is England/wales opposition in the last 16! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you are the Dutch manager watching this and you don’t finish top of this group… you deserve to get sacked
Plus remember this runner up of this group is England/wales opposition in the last 16! "
Senegal are no pushovers though. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"If you are the Dutch manager watching this and you don’t finish top of this group… you deserve to get sacked
Plus remember this runner up of this group is England/wales opposition in the last 16!
Senegal are no pushovers though."
Different team without mane…
Anyway this Qatari team are so rubbish they basically let a former Everton player score a hat trick… er… twice!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m deeply concerned by many aspects of this football tournament.
Oh wait a minute…
No, sorry, I just remembered I couldn’t give a flying fcuk about any part of it. |
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By *ot-Ash OP Man
over a year ago
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"If you are the Dutch manager watching this and you don’t finish top of this group… you deserve to get sacked
Plus remember this runner up of this group is England/wales opposition in the last 16!
Senegal are no pushovers though."
They are the current African champions although their best player Sadio Mane is out of WC Injured. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I’m deeply concerned by many aspects of this football tournament.
Oh wait a minute…
No, sorry, I just remembered I couldn’t give a flying fcuk about any part of it. "
You care enough to comment on this thread though! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That was a shocking decision offside.
It really was shocking 
Sorry hold on a second, the guys foot was offside. What exactly is 'shocking' about it? "
Well then you are seeing something no one else is. |
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"I'm not saying I think it's corrupt, but I've just put £10 on Qatar to win it.
How’s that working out for you? "
Plenty of time yet. The new half time panel that has just been established is likely to retrospectively disallow the penalty because the taker didn't take a minimum of 5 steps before kicking the ball and the header will be cancelled because of the new rule stating a goal can only be scored with feet.... |
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"That was a shocking decision offside.
It really was shocking
Sorry hold on a second, the guys foot was offside. What exactly is 'shocking' about it?
Well then you are seeing something no one else is. "
They showed the VAR ruling a couple of mins after it was disallowed. Im pretty everbody was is watching the game will have seen them confirm it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That was a shocking decision offside.
It really was shocking
Sorry hold on a second, the guys foot was offside. What exactly is 'shocking' about it?
Well then you are seeing something no one else is.
They showed the VAR ruling a couple of mins after it was disallowed. Im pretty everbody was is watching the game will have seen them confirm it"
Funny because we watched it and didn't see it, The commentators watched it and said they couldn't see anything. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That was a shocking decision offside.
It really was shocking
Sorry hold on a second, the guys foot was offside. What exactly is 'shocking' about it?
Well then you are seeing something no one else is.
They showed the VAR ruling a couple of mins after it was disallowed. Im pretty everbody was is watching the game will have seen them confirm it
Funny because we watched it and didn't see it, The commentators watched it and said they couldn't see anything. "
I was confused with what was shown... It seemed not a relevant point in play they paused. |
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"That was a shocking decision offside.
It really was shocking
Sorry hold on a second, the guys foot was offside. What exactly is 'shocking' about it?
Well then you are seeing something no one else is.
They showed the VAR ruling a couple of mins after it was disallowed. Im pretty everbody was is watching the game will have seen them confirm it
Funny because we watched it and didn't see it, The commentators watched it and said they couldn't see anything. "
So basically no different to any other club game every week on TV, blowhard comms and co comms calling something as if they actually can see it...until the TV producer gets fed the VAR confirmation showing the line. Then everyone goes 'oh yeah it was offside'. Which is exactly what happened here as well. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That was a shocking decision offside.
It really was shocking
Sorry hold on a second, the guys foot was offside. What exactly is 'shocking' about it?
Well then you are seeing something no one else is.
They showed the VAR ruling a couple of mins after it was disallowed. Im pretty everbody was is watching the game will have seen them confirm it
Funny because we watched it and didn't see it, The commentators watched it and said they couldn't see anything.
So basically no different to any other club game every week on TV, blowhard comms and co comms calling something as if they actually can see it...until the TV producer gets fed the VAR confirmation showing the line. Then everyone goes 'oh yeah it was offside'. Which is exactly what happened here as well. "
They definitely showed it.
VAR is pretty crap but the offside bit of it actually works. It's either offside or it isn't. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"That was a shocking decision offside.
It really was shocking
Sorry hold on a second, the guys foot was offside. What exactly is 'shocking' about it?
Well then you are seeing something no one else is.
They showed the VAR ruling a couple of mins after it was disallowed. Im pretty everbody was is watching the game will have seen them confirm it
Funny because we watched it and didn't see it, The commentators watched it and said they couldn't see anything.
So basically no different to any other club game every week on TV, blowhard comms and co comms calling something as if they actually can see it...until the TV producer gets fed the VAR confirmation showing the line. Then everyone goes 'oh yeah it was offside'. Which is exactly what happened here as well. "
What? Other than you nobody is saying it was offside. |
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"That was a shocking decision offside.
It really was shocking
Sorry hold on a second, the guys foot was offside. What exactly is 'shocking' about it?
Well then you are seeing something no one else is.
They showed the VAR ruling a couple of mins after it was disallowed. Im pretty everbody was is watching the game will have seen them confirm it
Funny because we watched it and didn't see it, The commentators watched it and said they couldn't see anything.
So basically no different to any other club game every week on TV, blowhard comms and co comms calling something as if they actually can see it...until the TV producer gets fed the VAR confirmation showing the line. Then everyone goes 'oh yeah it was offside'. Which is exactly what happened here as well.
They definitely showed it.
VAR is pretty crap but the offside bit of it actually works. It's either offside or it isn't."
Dont be silly. Its a conspiracy dont you know  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I'm sure they will show again at half time that goal shouldn't have been ruled out as being offside..."
I think it was from the initial ball in the box the keeper whiffed at… because the keeper was in front of the defenders
Anyway… half time… see how many come out for the second half |
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"I'm sure they will show again at half time that goal shouldn't have been ruled out as being offside...
I think it was from the initial ball in the box the keeper whiffed at… because the keeper was in front of the defenders
Anyway… half time… see how many come out for the second half "
It was a perfectly good goal, whatever graphic they showed trying to justify it was nonsense. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sure they will show again at half time that goal shouldn't have been ruled out as being offside...
I think it was from the initial ball in the box the keeper whiffed at… because the keeper was in front of the defenders
Anyway… half time… see how many come out for the second half
It was a perfectly good goal, whatever graphic they showed trying to justify it was nonsense. "
That does seem to be the consensus. |
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"I'm sure they will show again at half time that goal shouldn't have been ruled out as being offside...
I think it was from the initial ball in the box the keeper whiffed at… because the keeper was in front of the defenders
Anyway… half time… see how many come out for the second half
It was a perfectly good goal, whatever graphic they showed trying to justify it was nonsense.
That does seem to be the consensus. "
Thats nice and all. But it doesnt change the rules of the game though. |
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"And would have loved to see had Qatar scored right at the end if VAR even looked at it, as he looked well offside...."
Yes VAR would have looked at it. VAR looks at ever goal, red card and offside |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sure they will show again at half time that goal shouldn't have been ruled out as being offside...
I think it was from the initial ball in the box the keeper whiffed at… because the keeper was in front of the defenders
Anyway… half time… see how many come out for the second half
It was a perfectly good goal, whatever graphic they showed trying to justify it was nonsense.
That does seem to be the consensus.
Thats nice and all. But it doesnt change the rules of the game though. "
can you talk me through it then? Was it from the free kick or the punch ? |
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"I'm sure they will show again at half time that goal shouldn't have been ruled out as being offside...
I think it was from the initial ball in the box the keeper whiffed at… because the keeper was in front of the defenders
Anyway… half time… see how many come out for the second half
It was a perfectly good goal, whatever graphic they showed trying to justify it was nonsense.
That does seem to be the consensus.
Thats nice and all. But it doesnt change the rules of the game though. can you talk me through it then? Was it from the free kick or the punch ?"
Ive no idea, i havent seen it again since it happened. Im sure youll find an explanation somewhere online if you look for it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And would have loved to see had Qatar scored right at the end if VAR even looked at it, as he looked well offside....
Yes VAR would have looked at it. VAR looks at ever goal, red card and offside"
No it doesn't! I think you need to look at when VAR is used. VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity. |
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"And would have loved to see had Qatar scored right at the end if VAR even looked at it, as he looked well offside....
Yes VAR would have looked at it. VAR looks at ever goal, red card and offside
No it doesn't! I think you need to look at when VAR is used. VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity."
How does that contradict what ive said exactly? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sure they will show again at half time that goal shouldn't have been ruled out as being offside...
I think it was from the initial ball in the box the keeper whiffed at… because the keeper was in front of the defenders
Anyway… half time… see how many come out for the second half
It was a perfectly good goal, whatever graphic they showed trying to justify it was nonsense.
That does seem to be the consensus.
Thats nice and all. But it doesnt change the rules of the game though. can you talk me through it then? Was it from the free kick or the punch ?"
It was from the challenge on the keeper and not the free kick.
Michael Estrada’s right boot was offside after the ball came off Felix Torres, who was challenging Qatar goalkeeper Saad Al Sheeb. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And would have loved to see had Qatar scored right at the end if VAR even looked at it, as he looked well offside....
Yes VAR would have looked at it. VAR looks at ever goal, red card and offside
No it doesn't! I think you need to look at when VAR is used. VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
How does that contradict what ive said exactly? "
Because it doesn't look at every goal and every red card and offside. |
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"And would have loved to see had Qatar scored right at the end if VAR even looked at it, as he looked well offside....
Yes VAR would have looked at it. VAR looks at ever goal, red card and offside
No it doesn't! I think you need to look at when VAR is used. VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
How does that contradict what ive said exactly?
Because it doesn't look at every goal and every red card and offside. "
Yes it does. How else does it identify whether something may have been an error or not? |
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By *ot-Ash OP Man
over a year ago
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"And would have loved to see had Qatar scored right at the end if VAR even looked at it, as he looked well offside....
Yes VAR would have looked at it. VAR looks at ever goal, red card and offside
No it doesn't! I think you need to look at when VAR is used. VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
How does that contradict what ive said exactly?
Because it doesn't look at every goal and every red card and offside.
Yes it does. How else does it identify whether something may have been an error or not? "
VAR isn't meant to look at everything otherwise there would be no point in having a referee. |
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"And would have loved to see had Qatar scored right at the end if VAR even looked at it, as he looked well offside....
Yes VAR would have looked at it. VAR looks at ever goal, red card and offside
No it doesn't! I think you need to look at when VAR is used. VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
How does that contradict what ive said exactly?
Because it doesn't look at every goal and every red card and offside.
Yes it does. How else does it identify whether something may have been an error or not?
VAR isn't meant to look at everything otherwise there would be no point in having a referee."
I didn't say everything. Just those specific items |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sure they will show again at half time that goal shouldn't have been ruled out as being offside...
I think it was from the initial ball in the box the keeper whiffed at… because the keeper was in front of the defenders
Anyway… half time… see how many come out for the second half
It was a perfectly good goal, whatever graphic they showed trying to justify it was nonsense.
That does seem to be the consensus.
Thats nice and all. But it doesnt change the rules of the game though. can you talk me through it then? Was it from the free kick or the punch ?
Ive no idea, i havent seen it again since it happened. Im sure youll find an explanation somewhere online if you look for it"
I think they are calling it from the punch ... And I now realise the graphic was of a different player than I first thought.
 it's taken me ages to spot that! Correct decision imo. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's like watching Sunday morning teams who are all hungover ..
there's irony in their right.
Me ?? Never  "
aha. I meant the Qatar WC having a couple of hungover pub teams playing.
I know you don't get hungover. That means stopping drinking  |
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By *ot-Ash OP Man
over a year ago
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It's like watching Sunday morning teams who are all hungover ..
there's irony in their right.
Me ?? Never "
It's typical Grumpy isn't it that we let Valencia go when he was at West Ham as looks like a very decent striker now! |
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It's like watching Sunday morning teams who are all hungover ..
there's irony in their right.
Me ?? Never aha. I meant the Qatar WC having a couple of hungover pub teams playing.
I know you don't get hungover. That means stopping drinking "
That's not happening  |
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It's like watching Sunday morning teams who are all hungover ..
there's irony in their right.
Me ?? Never
It's typical Grumpy isn't it that we let Valencia go when he was at West Ham as looks like a very decent striker now!"
So typical yep .. That's the pain of us Hammers fans |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Crap football this thought the rule was the previous winner play game 1"
That's never been the rule. It's always been the home team that gets the 1st match. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Crap football this thought the rule was the previous winner play game 1"
They changed that in 2006 as the previous winners no longer qualify automatically. So they made it that the hosts have the first game. |
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"Congrats to Ecuador for winning 2-0 against the so called hosts Qatar...
First half was quite good but 2nd period was about as exciting as a trip to IKEA...."
At least you can make your own fun in IKEA  |
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"Congrats to Ecuador for winning 2-0 against the so called hosts Qatar...
First half was quite good but 2nd period was about as exciting as a trip to IKEA...."
Qatar very poor, surprised they qualified tbh. |
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"Congrats to Ecuador for winning 2-0 against the so called hosts Qatar...
First half was quite good but 2nd period was about as exciting as a trip to IKEA....
Qatar very poor, surprised they qualified tbh. "
Do they qualify Leo or are they in automatic as hosts ? |
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"Congrats to Ecuador for winning 2-0 against the so called hosts Qatar...
First half was quite good but 2nd period was about as exciting as a trip to IKEA....
Qatar very poor, surprised they qualified tbh. Do they qualify Leo or are they in automatic as hosts ?"
Apologies Busman, not one of my better jokes ! |
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"Ohhh so it was offside after all..
I know. Imagine that.
Amazing what frothing hatred does to your ability to be rational isnt it"
Do this all the time if anyone disagrees with you accuse them of being filled with hatred. Somebody disagreeing with you is allowed. |
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"Does anybody want to do some predictions for tomorrow?
I'm going 2-1 England. 3-0 England
Optimistic  "
I have taken the day off work, so it will probably be a bore draw. We should win comfortably though. |
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"Ohhh so it was offside after all..
I know. Imagine that.
Amazing what frothing hatred does to your ability to be rational isnt it
Do this all the time if anyone disagrees with you accuse them of being filled with hatred. Somebody disagreeing with you is allowed. "
Im referring to those who were insinuating there was corruption in the decision to rule out the goal.
Thats not someone disagreeing with me. Thats just someone talking bollocks |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ohhh so it was offside after all..
I know. Imagine that.
Amazing what frothing hatred does to your ability to be rational isnt it
Do this all the time if anyone disagrees with you accuse them of being filled with hatred. Somebody disagreeing with you is allowed.
Im referring to those who were insinuating there was corruption in the decision to rule out the goal.
Thats not someone disagreeing with me. Thats just someone talking bollocks"
I think you will find they were joking! And bollocks in whose opinion? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ohhh so it was offside after all..
Says who?
The ref, the var, the pundits, most people who have seen the photo proving his foot was offside. Oh... And the record books too. "
Which pundits are those because those on the BBC, Sky sports and talksport all said they did not think that warranted a VAR check And all of them were in agreement that they couldn't see how it was offside. |
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"Ohhh so it was offside after all..
I know. Imagine that.
Amazing what frothing hatred does to your ability to be rational isnt it
Do this all the time if anyone disagrees with you accuse them of being filled with hatred. Somebody disagreeing with you is allowed.
Im referring to those who were insinuating there was corruption in the decision to rule out the goal.
Thats not someone disagreeing with me. Thats just someone talking bollocks
I think you will find they were joking! And bollocks in whose opinion? "
No they really werent joking. It was more anti qatar rhetoric.
And bollocks because it was offside so correct decision |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ohhh so it was offside after all..
I know. Imagine that.
Amazing what frothing hatred does to your ability to be rational isnt it
Do this all the time if anyone disagrees with you accuse them of being filled with hatred. Somebody disagreeing with you is allowed.
Im referring to those who were insinuating there was corruption in the decision to rule out the goal.
Thats not someone disagreeing with me. Thats just someone talking bollocks
I think you will find they were joking! And bollocks in whose opinion?
No they really werent joking. It was more anti qatar rhetoric.
And bollocks because it was offside so correct decision "
In your opinion |
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"Ohhh so it was offside after all..
Says who?
The ref, the var, the pundits, most people who have seen the photo proving his foot was offside. Oh... And the record books too.
Which pundits are those because those on the BBC, Sky sports and talksport all said they did not think that warranted a VAR check And all of them were in agreement that they couldn't see how it was offside. "
from what I saw....
Free kick came in
Playwe A challenged the keeper. The keeper punched against players A head and eventually bounced up to be headed by player B. b was offside at point of ball being punched against As head. |
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"Ohhh so it was offside after all..
Says who?
The ref, the var, the pundits, most people who have seen the photo proving his foot was offside. Oh... And the record books too.
Which pundits are those because those on the BBC, Sky sports and talksport all said they did not think that warranted a VAR check And all of them were in agreement that they couldn't see how it was offside. "
Must be looking at a different bit of BBC..
Here you go.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63603375
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"We need to reintroduce the need for clear daylight before a player is offside. A big toe being in front of an opponent is not gaining an advantage."
During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count? |
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"We need to reintroduce the need for clear daylight before a player is offside. A big toe being in front of an opponent is not gaining an advantage.
During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count? "
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way. |
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"During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count?
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way. "
So what is var for? Did you not watch the Qatar -Ecuador match earlier? |
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"During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count?
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way.
So what is var for? Did you not watch the Qatar -Ecuador match earlier? "
The guidelines for when VAR use is very clear and yes I watched it. It was hardly a clear and obvious error! |
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"We need to reintroduce the need for clear daylight before a player is offside. A big toe being in front of an opponent is not gaining an advantage.
During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count?
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way. "
To adjudicate offside when a goal is scored? It's how it's been used in the prem since it was introduced.... I mean its rubbish but that's not the point. |
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"We need to reintroduce the need for clear daylight before a player is offside. A big toe being in front of an opponent is not gaining an advantage.
During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count?
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way.
To adjudicate offside when a goal is scored? It's how it's been used in the prem since it was introduced.... I mean its rubbish but that's not the point. "
VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
That is what FIFA's own guildlines are. The idea behind VAR Was to be a 4th official, It was never meant to check to see whether someone's toe was offside and to check every single goal. |
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"We need to reintroduce the need for clear daylight before a player is offside. A big toe being in front of an opponent is not gaining an advantage.
During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count?
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way.
To adjudicate offside when a goal is scored? It's how it's been used in the prem since it was introduced.... I mean its rubbish but that's not the point.
VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
That is what FIFA's own guildlines are. The idea behind VAR Was to be a 4th official, It was never meant to check to see whether someone's toe was offside and to check every single goal. "
Not sure how much football you watch but var has always been used to check every goal hence why sometimes players don’t even celebrate after they score just incase their hip or something else just as ridiculous is offside.Goals are classed as a match changing situation for obvious reasons and that’s why every goal has always been checked. |
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"We need to reintroduce the need for clear daylight before a player is offside. A big toe being in front of an opponent is not gaining an advantage.
During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count?
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way.
To adjudicate offside when a goal is scored? It's how it's been used in the prem since it was introduced.... I mean its rubbish but that's not the point.
VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
That is what FIFA's own guildlines are. The idea behind VAR Was to be a 4th official, It was never meant to check to see whether someone's toe was offside and to check every single goal. "
But it was a clear and obvious error. His foot was offside, his foot is a part of his body with which he can legally score, so therefore he is deemed offside.
Thats exactly what VAR was introduced for |
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"We need to reintroduce the need for clear daylight before a player is offside. A big toe being in front of an opponent is not gaining an advantage.
During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count?
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way.
To adjudicate offside when a goal is scored? It's how it's been used in the prem since it was introduced.... I mean its rubbish but that's not the point.
VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
That is what FIFA's own guildlines are. The idea behind VAR Was to be a 4th official, It was never meant to check to see whether someone's toe was offside and to check every single goal. "
Whether or not that was what it was intended to be used for isn't really relevant. The argument in this thread has developed from strongly saying it was not offside and implications of corruption to... Oh it was offside after all.
The whys and wherefore of VAR could probably fill another thread or two. |
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"We need to reintroduce the need for clear daylight before a player is offside. A big toe being in front of an opponent is not gaining an advantage.
During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count?
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way.
To adjudicate offside when a goal is scored? It's how it's been used in the prem since it was introduced.... I mean its rubbish but that's not the point.
VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
That is what FIFA's own guildlines are. The idea behind VAR Was to be a 4th official, It was never meant to check to see whether someone's toe was offside and to check every single goal. "
with the introduction of this semi automated offside tech it's definitely now part of the overall var scope..
Imo, offside is largely binary. You are in an offside position or you aren't. And somif you are in an off-site position, and play the ball, that's an infingement. And it's serious if it leads to a goal. Otherwise you either ignore offside mistakes completely. Or have to draw another line somewhere.
It's like saying ball was only just all over the line, so let's take the refs decision and not give it. |
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"We need to reintroduce the need for clear daylight before a player is offside. A big toe being in front of an opponent is not gaining an advantage.
During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count?
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way.
To adjudicate offside when a goal is scored? It's how it's been used in the prem since it was introduced.... I mean its rubbish but that's not the point.
VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
That is what FIFA's own guildlines are. The idea behind VAR Was to be a 4th official, It was never meant to check to see whether someone's toe was offside and to check every single goal. with the introduction of this semi automated offside tech it's definitely now part of the overall var scope..
Imo, offside is largely binary. You are in an offside position or you aren't. And somif you are in an off-site position, and play the ball, that's an infingement. And it's serious if it leads to a goal. Otherwise you either ignore offside mistakes completely. Or have to draw another line somewhere.
It's like saying ball was only just all over the line, so let's take the refs decision and not give it. "
I'm sure it will be the subject of much debate. I can remember when they first introduced it at the world Cup and it went so well... Stopping all that wrestling in the box (oo err missus) at corners and free kicks. |
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"We need to reintroduce the need for clear daylight before a player is offside. A big toe being in front of an opponent is not gaining an advantage.
During the var replay, he was marginally offside, I've got a long beard, would that count?
This was my point earlier, VAR was not meant to be used in this way.
To adjudicate offside when a goal is scored? It's how it's been used in the prem since it was introduced.... I mean its rubbish but that's not the point.
VAR is used only for "clear and obvious errors" or "serious missed incidents" in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity.
That is what FIFA's own guildlines are. The idea behind VAR Was to be a 4th official, It was never meant to check to see whether someone's toe was offside and to check every single goal. Not sure how much football you watch but var has always been used to check every goal hence why sometimes players don’t even celebrate after they score just incase their hip or something else just as ridiculous is offside.Goals are classed as a match changing situation for obvious reasons and that’s why every goal has always been checked."
I watch a lot of football and I'm sorry but you're wrong. The VAR is not checked after every goal. |
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Have a look at the fifa website... Technical section for details of where var is used and how semi automated offside technology is used. If you're interested of course. Otherwise pull up a chair and shout at the TV about how we know better than the people who've invested their lives in training and officiating elite football. |
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One love arm bands will result in a booking for the captain. The countries should have stuck together and taken on Fifa. But Qatat hold all the power, they cancelled beer at the last minute because they could and are now banning support for inclusion. And Fifa can do nothing but be complicit because they are responsible for being their. Seeing countries so weak is hardly surprising either. Anyhow, enough of the politics and come on England. |
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"One love arm bands will result in a booking for the captain. The countries should have stuck together and taken on Fifa. But Qatat hold all the power, they cancelled beer at the last minute because they could and are now banning support for inclusion. And Fifa can do nothing but be complicit because they are responsible for being their. Seeing countries so weak is hardly surprising either. Anyhow, enough of the politics and come on England."
Our own fa's rules say the following...
"5. Slogans, statements, images and advertising
Equipment must not have any political, religious or personal slogans, statements or images. Players must not reveal undergarments that show political, religious, personal slogans, statements or images, or advertising other than the manufacturer's logo. For any offence the player and/or the team will be sanctioned by the competition organiser, national football association or by FIFA."
And fifa have the same...
They are FIFA's rules being applied aren't they? |
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