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over a year ago
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"The Welsh have rejected Mount Snowdon and from now on it will be called by it's Welsh name..
Yr Wdddfa
Put that in your climbing boots and smoke it... 
Only after I've learned to pronounce it. "
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"The Welsh have rejected Mount Snowdon and from now on it will be called by it's Welsh name..
Yr Wdddfa
Put that in your climbing boots and smoke it... "
After 5000 people signed a petition, 5000 out of 3 million in Wales.
I will still call it snowdon thanks very much |
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To be fair is one of the oldest European languages so that is its original name.
Even though it'll still be known as Snowdon by many.
They tried the same with differing success with Uluru, or Ayers Rock, down in Australia. |
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I was wondering if some minions and Gru had pilfered it, but nothing that exciting.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-63649930
I think it's excellent that it's original name is to be used. People can use the English version if they so wish, but hopefully in generations to come it's Welsh name will be used. And we can celebrate the diversity of this amazing country, instead of becoming one homogeneous mass.
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"The Welsh have rejected Mount Snowdon and from now on it will be called by it's Welsh name..
Yr Wdddfa
Put that in your climbing boots and smoke it...
After 5000 people signed a petition, 5000 out of 3 million in Wales.
I will still call it snowdon thanks very much "
It was a decision by the the National Park Authority. They probably didn’t take some online petition into consideration.
A good decision - Snowdon is a boring name; Yr Wyddfa is more evocative and reflects the fact the it lies in the heartland of the Welsh language. With original Welsh names for houses disappearing (being changed to “Holibobs Cottage” etc) at an fast rate, such steps mean something important.
No-one is saying it can’t be called Snowdon by people - it obviously will be. It’s just that it will be referred to by the Welsh name by the authority as a mark of respect for the language.
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Torpenhow Hill in Cumbria still retains part of its original Welsh name (pen) so I call it even. Keep calling it Snowdon.
It's also a quadruple tautology.
Welsh: pen = Hill
Saxons tor = Hill hence torpen
Norse: Haugh = Hill hence Torpen Haugr
English: Torpenhow Hill
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"Torpenhow Hill in Cumbria still retains part of its original Welsh name (pen) so I call it even. Keep calling it Snowdon.
It's also a quadruple tautology.
Welsh: pen = Hill
Saxons tor = Hill hence torpen
Norse: Haugh = Hill hence Torpen Haugr
English: Torpenhow Hill
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Pen is head not hill, which is why we can be used in coastal name places also. |
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"Torpenhow Hill in Cumbria still retains part of its original Welsh name (pen) so I call it even. Keep calling it Snowdon.
It's also a quadruple tautology.
Welsh: pen = Hill
Saxons tor = Hill hence torpen
Norse: Haugh = Hill hence Torpen Haugr
English: Torpenhow Hill
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And this is cool, I like how all parts of the region's heritage is being honoured in the naming of the place. This is often not the case when places are being renamed here in Wales at the moment unfortunately. |
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"I was wondering if some minions and Gru had pilfered it, but nothing that exciting.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-63649930
I think it's excellent that it's original name is to be used. People can use the English version if they so wish, but hopefully in generations to come it's Welsh name will be used. And we can celebrate the diversity of this amazing country, instead of becoming one homogeneous mass.
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"Torpenhow Hill in Cumbria still retains part of its original Welsh name (pen) so I call it even. Keep calling it Snowdon.
It's also a quadruple tautology.
Welsh: pen = Hill
Saxons tor = Hill hence torpen
Norse: Haugh = Hill hence Torpen Haugr
English: Torpenhow Hill
Pen is head not hill, which is why we can be used in coastal name places also. "
Haugh changed to How over the years, it's been over a thousand years and language has been butchered, but it's about right |
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"Torpenhow Hill in Cumbria still retains part of its original Welsh name (pen) so I call it even. Keep calling it Snowdon.
It's also a quadruple tautology.
Welsh: pen = Hill
Saxons tor = Hill hence torpen
Norse: Haugh = Hill hence Torpen Haugr
English: Torpenhow Hill
And this is cool, I like how all parts of the region's heritage is being honoured in the naming of the place. This is often not the case when places are being renamed here in Wales at the moment unfortunately. "
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On changing names, I suppose it's a bit like Uluru. Most people will know what you mean when you say Ayers Rock, but the latter is not recognised by most people anymore as the name.
I hope that becomes true here. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"On changing names, I suppose it's a bit like Uluru. Most people will know what you mean when you say Ayers Rock, but the latter is not recognised by most people anymore as the name.
I hope that becomes true here."
Most people think Uluru is the woman Captain Kirk snogged in the original Star Trek.......
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"On changing names, I suppose it's a bit like Uluru. Most people will know what you mean when you say Ayers Rock, but the latter is not recognised by most people anymore as the name.
I hope that becomes true here.
Most people think Uluru is the woman Captain Kirk snogged in the original Star Trek.......
A"
Ok. I'll rephrase. In Australia, if you still call it that we'll assume you're very ancient or haven't got out much in the last 30 years or both.
Outside Australia, Aussies do a quick mental recalibration and sometimes (when we can be arsed) mention that we no longer call it that old name. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Torpenhow Hill in Cumbria still retains part of its original Welsh name (pen) so I call it even. Keep calling it Snowdon.
It's also a quadruple tautology.
Welsh: pen = Hill
Saxons tor = Hill hence torpen
Norse: Haugh = Hill hence Torpen Haugr
English: Torpenhow Hill
Pen is head not hill, which is why we can be used in coastal name places also.
Haugh changed to How over the years, it's been over a thousand years and language has been butchered, but it's about right"
It's nice to see Welsh re-emerging and it is their mountain.
Place-names are fascinating. Gelling has written a lot about them, but I find it hard to get deeper than the surface with them, as studying it myself, I'd need to learn a lot of old Welsh, Norse, English and a bit of Latin.
They're a great tool for landscape historians. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The Welsh have rejected Mount Snowdon and from now on it will be called by it's Welsh name..
Yr Wdddfa
Put that in your climbing boots and smoke it... "
thats easy for you to say! |
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"Torpenhow Hill in Cumbria still retains part of its original Welsh name (pen) so I call it even. Keep calling it Snowdon.
It's also a quadruple tautology.
Welsh: pen = Hill
Saxons tor = Hill hence torpen
Norse: Haugh = Hill hence Torpen Haugr
English: Torpenhow Hill
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I love that, it translates as 'Hillhillhill Hill' Magic!
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"Torpenhow Hill in Cumbria still retains part of its original Welsh name (pen) so I call it even. Keep calling it Snowdon.
It's also a quadruple tautology.
Welsh: pen = Hill
Saxons tor = Hill hence torpen
Norse: Haugh = Hill hence Torpen Haugr
English: Torpenhow Hill
Pen is head not hill, which is why we can be used in coastal name places also.
Haugh changed to How over the years, it's been over a thousand years and language has been butchered, but it's about right"
Pen is what the Welsh call our bodies head too and it's used in our oldest written manuscripts such as the Mabinogi. So I don't think it's use has been changed. |
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"On changing names, I suppose it's a bit like Uluru. Most people will know what you mean when you say Ayers Rock, but the latter is not recognised by most people anymore as the name.
I hope that becomes true here."
Is Ayers Rock like Blackpool Rock, but it says Ayers all the way through? |
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"On changing names, I suppose it's a bit like Uluru. Most people will know what you mean when you say Ayers Rock, but the latter is not recognised by most people anymore as the name.
I hope that becomes true here.
Is Ayers Rock like Blackpool Rock, but it says Ayers all the way through?"
I think Ayer's Rock is like a child peeing on something and claiming it's theirs.
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"Thing is in Wales the only thing with names in Welsh are paid for by the English
What the English paid to have Yr Wyddfa erected for us?
Erected Yr Wyddfa. There's a penis joke there somewhere."
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce. "
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon. |
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By *abs..Woman
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you"
Actually Swing I lived at the foot of Snowdon for many years. I am not afraid of any other cultures. |
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce.
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon. "
Admittedly and those who have always used the Welsh names will carry on doing the same. But future generations hopefully will use it's origin name, and actually want to celebrate the cultural diversity of this great island and not seek to subdue it. |
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"Torpenhow Hill in Cumbria still retains part of its original Welsh name (pen) so I call it even. Keep calling it Snowdon.
It's also a quadruple tautology.
Welsh: pen = Hill
Saxons tor = Hill hence torpen
Norse: Haugh = Hill hence Torpen Haugr
English: Torpenhow Hill
Pen is head not hill, which is why we can be used in coastal name places also.
Haugh changed to How over the years, it's been over a thousand years and language has been butchered, but it's about right
It's nice to see Welsh re-emerging and it is their mountain.
Place-names are fascinating. Gelling has written a lot about them, but I find it hard to get deeper than the surface with them, as studying it myself, I'd need to learn a lot of old Welsh, Norse, English and a bit of Latin.
They're a great tool for landscape historians. "
It's hilarious that you can point at the thing and say "what's that" and it's basically "hill hill hill hill"
Another example is the Mekong River, "river river river"
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce.
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon.
Admittedly and those who have always used the Welsh names will carry on doing the same. But future generations hopefully will use it's origin name, and actually want to celebrate the cultural diversity of this great island and not seek to subdue it. "
Nobody is stopping people from using the Welsh name. 5000 people voted for it so I’m sure they will use it.
I lived in Llanberis for many years and my Welsh friends and neighbours had no objection to it being called Snowdon and they also called it Snowdon so that will do for me. |
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Actually Swing I lived at the foot of Snowdon for many years. I am not afraid of any other cultures. "
Uluru has had its name changed in my lifetime. The only people in Australia who still call it Ayers Rock tend to be over 80 and/or bemoan the repeal of the White Australia Policy (which barred migration to Australia to icky foreigners from countries like China, India... Spain and Italy) while insisting that hand washing is the domain of the woke city slickers. |
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce.
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon.
Admittedly and those who have always used the Welsh names will carry on doing the same. But future generations hopefully will use it's origin name, and actually want to celebrate the cultural diversity of this great island and not seek to subdue it. "
That's what's happened in Australia over my lifetime |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Actually Swing I lived at the foot of Snowdon for many years. I am not afraid of any other cultures.
Uluru has had its name changed in my lifetime. The only people in Australia who still call it Ayers Rock tend to be over 80 and/or bemoan the repeal of the White Australia Policy (which barred migration to Australia to icky foreigners from countries like China, India... Spain and Italy) while insisting that hand washing is the domain of the woke city slickers."
Not true. I travelled in Austria and I walked up Ayers Rock when you could and absolutely nobody referred to it as Uluru not even the guides. A bit of a misleading statement there. |
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By *abs..Woman
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Why the need to be offensive?
I'd say accurate."
I’d say unnecessary and I don’t need anyone to put words in my mouth, I can speak for myself Swing, thank you. |
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By *abs..Woman
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Actually Swing I lived at the foot of Snowdon for many years. I am not afraid of any other cultures.
Uluru has had its name changed in my lifetime. The only people in Australia who still call it Ayers Rock tend to be over 80 and/or bemoan the repeal of the White Australia Policy (which barred migration to Australia to icky foreigners from countries like China, India... Spain and Italy) while insisting that hand washing is the domain of the woke city slickers.
Not true. I travelled in Austria and I walked up Ayers Rock when you could and absolutely nobody referred to it as Uluru not even the guides. A bit of a misleading statement there. "
*Australia. |
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Actually Swing I lived at the foot of Snowdon for many years. I am not afraid of any other cultures.
Uluru has had its name changed in my lifetime. The only people in Australia who still call it Ayers Rock tend to be over 80 and/or bemoan the repeal of the White Australia Policy (which barred migration to Australia to icky foreigners from countries like China, India... Spain and Italy) while insisting that hand washing is the domain of the woke city slickers.
Not true. I travelled in Austria and I walked up Ayers Rock when you could and absolutely nobody referred to it as Uluru not even the guides. A bit of a misleading statement there. "
When was this?
As it's now been banned as desecration of a sacred site, and this has been known for at least my lifetime (and signposted for many years). |
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Why the need to be offensive?
I'd say accurate."
Probably need to meet different people then if that's genuinely your opinion rather than a poor attempt at wit. |
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Actually Swing I lived at the foot of Snowdon for many years. I am not afraid of any other cultures.
Uluru has had its name changed in my lifetime. The only people in Australia who still call it Ayers Rock tend to be over 80 and/or bemoan the repeal of the White Australia Policy (which barred migration to Australia to icky foreigners from countries like China, India... Spain and Italy) while insisting that hand washing is the domain of the woke city slickers.
Not true. I travelled in Austria and I walked up Ayers Rock when you could and absolutely nobody referred to it as Uluru not even the guides. A bit of a misleading statement there.
When was this?
As it's now been banned as desecration of a sacred site, and this has been known for at least my lifetime (and signposted for many years)."
You don’t believe me? 1997
And people were happily having tours up there and for several years after. |
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By *abs..Woman
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Actually Swing I lived at the foot of Snowdon for many years. I am not afraid of any other cultures.
Uluru has had its name changed in my lifetime. The only people in Australia who still call it Ayers Rock tend to be over 80 and/or bemoan the repeal of the White Australia Policy (which barred migration to Australia to icky foreigners from countries like China, India... Spain and Italy) while insisting that hand washing is the domain of the woke city slickers.
Not true. I travelled in Austria and I walked up Ayers Rock when you could and absolutely nobody referred to it as Uluru not even the guides. A bit of a misleading statement there.
When was this?
As it's now been banned as desecration of a sacred site, and this has been known for at least my lifetime (and signposted for many years)."
2019 it changed. |
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Why the need to be offensive?
I'd say accurate.
I’d say unnecessary and I don’t need anyone to put words in my mouth, I can speak for myself Swing, thank you. "
I made it clear that I edited.
I wish the English the same respect for their culture that they have shown for others
(Although if you'd not beat me or imprison me for speaking my native language, that'd be grand. Ta) |
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce.
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon.
Admittedly and those who have always used the Welsh names will carry on doing the same. But future generations hopefully will use it's origin name, and actually want to celebrate the cultural diversity of this great island and not seek to subdue it.
Nobody is stopping people from using the Welsh name. 5000 people voted for it so I’m sure they will use it.
I lived in Llanberis for many years and my Welsh friends and neighbours had no objection to it being called Snowdon and they also called it Snowdon so that will do for me. "
I never said I objected to people calling it Snowdon. My hope is that it's Welsh name which will now be more prevalent will replace it's use in the future and thus preserving the UK cultural history.
I happen to think it's epic that when you go onto the national parks website you see it's original name there. Change happens look how quickly we all changed from Kiev to Kyiv.
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By *abs..Woman
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce.
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon.
Admittedly and those who have always used the Welsh names will carry on doing the same. But future generations hopefully will use it's origin name, and actually want to celebrate the cultural diversity of this great island and not seek to subdue it.
Nobody is stopping people from using the Welsh name. 5000 people voted for it so I’m sure they will use it.
I lived in Llanberis for many years and my Welsh friends and neighbours had no objection to it being called Snowdon and they also called it Snowdon so that will do for me.
I never said I objected to people calling it Snowdon. My hope is that it's Welsh name which will now be more prevalent will replace it's use in the future and thus preserving the UK cultural history.
I happen to think it's epic that when you go onto the national parks website you see it's original name there. Change happens look how quickly we all changed from Kiev to Kyiv.
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Actually Swing I lived at the foot of Snowdon for many years. I am not afraid of any other cultures.
Uluru has had its name changed in my lifetime. The only people in Australia who still call it Ayers Rock tend to be over 80 and/or bemoan the repeal of the White Australia Policy (which barred migration to Australia to icky foreigners from countries like China, India... Spain and Italy) while insisting that hand washing is the domain of the woke city slickers.
Not true. I travelled in Austria and I walked up Ayers Rock when you could and absolutely nobody referred to it as Uluru not even the guides. A bit of a misleading statement there.
When was this?
As it's now been banned as desecration of a sacred site, and this has been known for at least my lifetime (and signposted for many years).
2019 it changed. "
Yes. And it's been warned against for a long time.
I suppose guides making their money desecrating a holy site don't give a fuck about respecting names.
I should start a tour of New Wagga Wagga, to see the lean to of the recently deceased leader, and take picks to climb Ulurupaul.
Some might say it's disrespectful, but you might also say that a tiny island playing dress up with its dignitaries and pretending to rest it on an apocalyptic itinerant preacher is only really worth the tourist dollars we can extract. |
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Why the need to be offensive?
I'd say accurate.
I’d say unnecessary and I don’t need anyone to put words in my mouth, I can speak for myself Swing, thank you.
I made it clear that I edited.
I wish the English the same respect for their culture that they have shown for others
(Although if you'd not beat me or imprison me for speaking my native language, that'd be grand. Ta)"
Don’t edit it. I don’t need you or anyone else to impose their views on my comments.
I’m not questioning what you wish for or believe but my comment is my view, disagree if you choose but leave it well alone, please.
I have no idea what you’re talking about there. It feels like you have an issue with others treatment of others cultures. Don’t impose it on me please.
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce.
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon.
Admittedly and those who have always used the Welsh names will carry on doing the same. But future generations hopefully will use it's origin name, and actually want to celebrate the cultural diversity of this great island and not seek to subdue it.
Nobody is stopping people from using the Welsh name. 5000 people voted for it so I’m sure they will use it.
I lived in Llanberis for many years and my Welsh friends and neighbours had no objection to it being called Snowdon and they also called it Snowdon so that will do for me.
I never said I objected to people calling it Snowdon. My hope is that it's Welsh name which will now be more prevalent will replace it's use in the future and thus preserving the UK cultural history.
I happen to think it's epic that when you go onto the national parks website you see it's original name there. Change happens look how quickly we all changed from Kiev to Kyiv.
I hope you get what you hope for "
Hopefully, there's so much to proud of in our little island. |
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Actually Swing I lived at the foot of Snowdon for many years. I am not afraid of any other cultures.
Uluru has had its name changed in my lifetime. The only people in Australia who still call it Ayers Rock tend to be over 80 and/or bemoan the repeal of the White Australia Policy (which barred migration to Australia to icky foreigners from countries like China, India... Spain and Italy) while insisting that hand washing is the domain of the woke city slickers.
Not true. I travelled in Austria and I walked up Ayers Rock when you could and absolutely nobody referred to it as Uluru not even the guides. A bit of a misleading statement there.
When was this?
As it's now been banned as desecration of a sacred site, and this has been known for at least my lifetime (and signposted for many years).
2019 it changed.
Yes. And it's been warned against for a long time.
I suppose guides making their money desecrating a holy site don't give a fuck about respecting names.
I should start a tour of New Wagga Wagga, to see the lean to of the recently deceased leader, and take picks to climb Ulurupaul.
Some might say it's disrespectful, but you might also say that a tiny island playing dress up with its dignitaries and pretending to rest it on an apocalyptic itinerant preacher is only really worth the tourist dollars we can extract."
What I’m saying is you can’t change history. It was what it was at that point whether people like it or not.
You questioned me on the date because you didn’t believe my comment.
People could and did walk up there until 2019 and people do still refer to it as Ayers Rock. |
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce.
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon.
Admittedly and those who have always used the Welsh names will carry on doing the same. But future generations hopefully will use it's origin name, and actually want to celebrate the cultural diversity of this great island and not seek to subdue it.
Nobody is stopping people from using the Welsh name. 5000 people voted for it so I’m sure they will use it.
I lived in Llanberis for many years and my Welsh friends and neighbours had no objection to it being called Snowdon and they also called it Snowdon so that will do for me.
I never said I objected to people calling it Snowdon. My hope is that it's Welsh name which will now be more prevalent will replace it's use in the future and thus preserving the UK cultural history.
I happen to think it's epic that when you go onto the national parks website you see it's original name there. Change happens look how quickly we all changed from Kiev to Kyiv.
I hope you get what you hope for
Hopefully, there's so much to proud of in our little island. "
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
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Why the need to be offensive?
I'd say accurate.
I’d say unnecessary and I don’t need anyone to put words in my mouth, I can speak for myself Swing, thank you.
I made it clear that I edited.
I wish the English the same respect for their culture that they have shown for others
(Although if you'd not beat me or imprison me for speaking my native language, that'd be grand. Ta)
Don’t edit it. I don’t need you or anyone else to impose their views on my comments.
I’m not questioning what you wish for or believe but my comment is my view, disagree if you choose but leave it well alone, please.
I have no idea what you’re talking about there. It feels like you have an issue with others treatment of others cultures. Don’t impose it on me please.
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The English have a long magnificent history of beating and imprisoning people for speaking their languages across their empire. Including in Wales.
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Why the need to be offensive?
I'd say accurate.
I’d say unnecessary and I don’t need anyone to put words in my mouth, I can speak for myself Swing, thank you.
I made it clear that I edited.
I wish the English the same respect for their culture that they have shown for others
(Although if you'd not beat me or imprison me for speaking my native language, that'd be grand. Ta)
Don’t edit it. I don’t need you or anyone else to impose their views on my comments.
I’m not questioning what you wish for or believe but my comment is my view, disagree if you choose but leave it well alone, please.
I have no idea what you’re talking about there. It feels like you have an issue with others treatment of others cultures. Don’t impose it on me please.
The English have a long magnificent history of beating and imprisoning people for speaking their languages across their empire. Including in Wales.
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Good lord Swing. We are talking about Snowdon, you are going off on a tangent.
People will still call it Snowdon and that’s what I was talking about.
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Actually Swing I lived at the foot of Snowdon for many years. I am not afraid of any other cultures.
Uluru has had its name changed in my lifetime. The only people in Australia who still call it Ayers Rock tend to be over 80 and/or bemoan the repeal of the White Australia Policy (which barred migration to Australia to icky foreigners from countries like China, India... Spain and Italy) while insisting that hand washing is the domain of the woke city slickers.
Not true. I travelled in Austria and I walked up Ayers Rock when you could and absolutely nobody referred to it as Uluru not even the guides. A bit of a misleading statement there.
When was this?
As it's now been banned as desecration of a sacred site, and this has been known for at least my lifetime (and signposted for many years).
2019 it changed.
Yes. And it's been warned against for a long time.
I suppose guides making their money desecrating a holy site don't give a fuck about respecting names.
I should start a tour of New Wagga Wagga, to see the lean to of the recently deceased leader, and take picks to climb Ulurupaul.
Some might say it's disrespectful, but you might also say that a tiny island playing dress up with its dignitaries and pretending to rest it on an apocalyptic itinerant preacher is only really worth the tourist dollars we can extract.
What I’m saying is you can’t change history. It was what it was at that point whether people like it or not.
You questioned me on the date because you didn’t believe my comment.
People could and did walk up there until 2019 and people do still refer to it as Ayers Rock. "
And they did it despite warnings asking them to consider those who consider it holy. I'm aware of this.
Did you know you were desecrating a holy site?
You can't change history? Then why would anyone ever call it Snowdon? Some arseholes barged into Wales trying to call it that, but it had another name before that. As you know, you can't change history. |
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Why the need to be offensive?
I'd say accurate.
I’d say unnecessary and I don’t need anyone to put words in my mouth, I can speak for myself Swing, thank you.
I made it clear that I edited.
I wish the English the same respect for their culture that they have shown for others
(Although if you'd not beat me or imprison me for speaking my native language, that'd be grand. Ta)
Don’t edit it. I don’t need you or anyone else to impose their views on my comments.
I’m not questioning what you wish for or believe but my comment is my view, disagree if you choose but leave it well alone, please.
I have no idea what you’re talking about there. It feels like you have an issue with others treatment of others cultures. Don’t impose it on me please.
The English have a long magnificent history of beating and imprisoning people for speaking their languages across their empire. Including in Wales.
Good lord Swing. We are talking about Snowdon, you are going off on a tangent.
People will still call it Snowdon and that’s what I was talking about.
No apology for changing my comment? Or are we ignoring that part? "
Long history of "fixed it for you" plus edit. Known genre. No apologies.
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"It’s change for change sake. Insular little Englanders who are afraid of other cultures will still call it Snowdon.
Fixed it for you
Why the need to be offensive?
I'd say accurate."
Offensive too. Can we not change peoples posts to be offensive
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By *ugby 123Couple
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" People can use the English version if they so wish, but hopefully in generations to come it's Welsh name will be used. And we can celebrate the diversity of this amazing country, instead of becoming one homogeneous mass.
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I think that is a good point, it may be that people will still associate it with the Snowdon name and probably for a while but eventually it will be called the Welsh name
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" People can use the English version if they so wish, but hopefully in generations to come it's Welsh name will be used. And we can celebrate the diversity of this amazing country, instead of becoming one homogeneous mass.
I think that is a good point, it may be that people will still associate it with the Snowdon name and probably for a while but eventually it will be called the Welsh name
Either way, it is still a beautiful place"
I am not so sure. There used to be a hotel where I used to live that has changed names several times over the years but people still call it the star (local landmark) And it hasn't had that name since 1971. |
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The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads..... "
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The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads..... "
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
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We should. As we should with other regional and traditions. Once they are gone they are gone. |
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
We should. As we should with other regional and traditions. Once they are gone they are gone. "
Exactly I totally agree, think the UK is so blessed with so many regions with individual traditions and cultures. I never understood the reluctance to embrace it, regardless of what part of the country you are from. |
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By *ost SockMan
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
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Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary. |
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary."
I don't know much about it, but perhaps it could be that they are raging about the undemocratic process by which it has been arrived at. Ie a noisy minority of 5000 participants getting their own way. |
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By *abs..Woman
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary.
I don't know much about it, but perhaps it could be that they are raging about the undemocratic process by which it has been arrived at. Ie a noisy minority of 5000 participants getting their own way. "
I think that’s what the problem is, from what I’ve read. 3 million people live in Wales and as you say, only 5000 voted to change the name. |
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary.
I don't know much about it, but perhaps it could be that they are raging about the undemocratic process by which it has been arrived at. Ie a noisy minority of 5000 participants getting their own way.
I think that’s what the problem is, from what I’ve read. 3 million people live in Wales and as you say, only 5000 voted to change the name. "
There was no public vote to change the name though. The Snowdonia National Park Authority voted (not the public) to use Yr Wyddfa and Eryri rather than Snowdon and Snowdonia. |
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary."
If it's a massive disaster financially I'm sure the park will change it's name. Guess time will tell if it's a success or not. I think on an international tourism view it is a good thing. Cymru needs to be seen as something more than an English county. |
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary.
If it's a massive disaster financially I'm sure the park will change it's name. Guess time will tell if it's a success or not. I think on an international tourism view it is a good thing. Cymru needs to be seen as something more than an English county. "
I have no dog in this fight but... Is it any different to.. For example... Munich being Munich to some people and muenchen to bavarians?
The undemocratic process by which it has been decided to rename it would be of more concern though. |
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By *abs..Woman
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary.
I don't know much about it, but perhaps it could be that they are raging about the undemocratic process by which it has been arrived at. Ie a noisy minority of 5000 participants getting their own way.
I think that’s what the problem is, from what I’ve read. 3 million people live in Wales and as you say, only 5000 voted to change the name.
There was no public vote to change the name though. The Snowdonia National Park Authority voted (not the public) to use Yr Wyddfa and Eryri rather than Snowdon and Snowdonia."
Yes, so it was, after a petition signed by 5000 people called for the change.
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary.
I don't know much about it, but perhaps it could be that they are raging about the undemocratic process by which it has been arrived at. Ie a noisy minority of 5000 participants getting their own way.
I think that’s what the problem is, from what I’ve read. 3 million people live in Wales and as you say, only 5000 voted to change the name.
There was no public vote to change the name though. The Snowdonia National Park Authority voted (not the public) to use Yr Wyddfa and Eryri rather than Snowdon and Snowdonia.
Yes, so it was, after a petition signed by 5000 people called for the change.
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So it worked a bit like our parliamentary system? Where if there is enough names on a petition it's debated in parliament. Even though it's only 100,000 of over 67 million. Sounds fair to me |
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The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
Talking about something in the news is fine to post. It promotes debate
If you don't like the OP's posts they are easy to avoid"
I disagree that it's easy to avoid when he posts almost daily.... |
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By *ost SockMan
over a year ago
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary.
I don't know much about it, but perhaps it could be that they are raging about the undemocratic process by which it has been arrived at. Ie a noisy minority of 5000 participants getting their own way.
I think that’s what the problem is, from what I’ve read. 3 million people live in Wales and as you say, only 5000 voted to change the name.
There was no public vote to change the name though. The Snowdonia National Park Authority voted (not the public) to use Yr Wyddfa and Eryri rather than Snowdon and Snowdonia.
Yes, so it was, after a petition signed by 5000 people called for the change.
"
That’s 1 in 600 people making the effort to sign the petition (they may not be in Wales, granted).
If you apply the same proportions to England, it’s a petition signed by 83,000 people.
Anyway, all this is nonsense - no-one is being banned from calling it Snowdon. You could then argue that it was draconian/undemocratic. It’s simply a decision by the authority to call it by its Welsh name. People are free to call it what they want.
The constant stream of vitriol towards the language (often by people who are very proud to call themselves patriotically pro-British) is depressing. If there’d been no petition at all, it’d still have been the same thing - just a Welsh public body deciding to call a Welsh mountain by it’s Welsh name.
It’s a shame that a country has to put up with the constant belittling of its language.
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The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary.
I don't know much about it, but perhaps it could be that they are raging about the undemocratic process by which it has been arrived at. Ie a noisy minority of 5000 participants getting their own way.
I think that’s what the problem is, from what I’ve read. 3 million people live in Wales and as you say, only 5000 voted to change the name.
There was no public vote to change the name though. The Snowdonia National Park Authority voted (not the public) to use Yr Wyddfa and Eryri rather than Snowdon and Snowdonia.
Yes, so it was, after a petition signed by 5000 people called for the change.
That’s 1 in 600 people making the effort to sign the petition (they may not be in Wales, granted).
If you apply the same proportions to England, it’s a petition signed by 83,000 people.
Anyway, all this is nonsense - no-one is being banned from calling it Snowdon. You could then argue that it was draconian/undemocratic. It’s simply a decision by the authority to call it by its Welsh name. People are free to call it what they want.
The constant stream of vitriol towards the language (often by people who are very proud to call themselves patriotically pro-British) is depressing. If there’d been no petition at all, it’d still have been the same thing - just a Welsh public body deciding to call a Welsh mountain by it’s Welsh name.
It’s a shame that a country has to put up with the constant belittling of its language.
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By *ost SockMan
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
To be honest I didn't think it would be that argumentative. A country wants to call it's highest peak and mountain range it's name in it's native language on the national park webpage.
Think there is a change in how Cymru perceives itself with an increasing confidence in her identity and culture. The football association of Wales is looking into calling the Welsh team Cymru after the world cup. We have
'Yma o Hyd' as the official anthem for the Welsh football team, a song about the survival of Welsh culture and language.
Whilst I don't personally support Welsh independence, I do support the promotion of our language and culture, of all parts of the UK. We should try and keep our culture in these days where homogeneity is the norm.
Exactly - the amount of people on social media (including some Welsh people and people living in Wales) raging against a decision by a Welsh authority to call a Welsh mountain by its Welsh name is extraordinary.
I don't know much about it, but perhaps it could be that they are raging about the undemocratic process by which it has been arrived at. Ie a noisy minority of 5000 participants getting their own way.
I think that’s what the problem is, from what I’ve read. 3 million people live in Wales and as you say, only 5000 voted to change the name.
There was no public vote to change the name though. The Snowdonia National Park Authority voted (not the public) to use Yr Wyddfa and Eryri rather than Snowdon and Snowdonia.
Yes, so it was, after a petition signed by 5000 people called for the change.
That’s 1 in 600 people making the effort to sign the petition (they may not be in Wales, granted).
If you apply the same proportions to England, it’s a petition signed by 83,000 people.
Anyway, all this is nonsense - no-one is being banned from calling it Snowdon. You could then argue that it was draconian/undemocratic. It’s simply a decision by the authority to call it by its Welsh name. People are free to call it what they want.
The constant stream of vitriol towards the language (often by people who are very proud to call themselves patriotically pro-British) is depressing. If there’d been no petition at all, it’d still have been the same thing - just a Welsh public body deciding to call a Welsh mountain by it’s Welsh name.
It’s a shame that a country has to put up with the constant belittling of its language.
Sorry - I should have been more clear. I’m not talking about this thread, I’m talking about the vitriol on social media regarding this particular issue and the language in general.
I’ve been on this planet over 50 years and have spent most of it being told the language my family and many of my friends speak is “dead”. It gets ******* wearing!
Rather melodramatic. Nobody is belittling anything. "
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Yes, so it was, after a petition signed by 5000 people called for the change.
That’s 1 in 600 people making the effort to sign the petition (they may not be in Wales, granted).
If you apply the same proportions to England, it’s a petition signed by 83,000 people.
Anyway, all this is nonsense - no-one is being banned from calling it Snowdon. You could then argue that it was draconian/undemocratic. It’s simply a decision by the authority to call it by its Welsh name. People are free to call it what they want.
The constant stream of vitriol towards the language (often by people who are very proud to call themselves patriotically pro-British) is depressing. If there’d been no petition at all, it’d still have been the same thing - just a Welsh public body deciding to call a Welsh mountain by it’s Welsh name.
It’s a shame that a country has to put up with the constant belittling of its language.
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I’m not belittling anything. I have said up there ^ I lived at the foot of Snowdon for several years and loved it. I’m simply saying I don’t see the point in the name change and many people feel that way and that people will most likely continue to use the name Snowdon.
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I can understand why you may think that. But our language has been consistently been under attack by rulers in Westminster. We've had the Welsh not, the inability to use Welsh in court so people weren't able to defend themselves in court. My great grandparents were monoglot Welsh. They were treated as second class citizens by authorities.
So you have to forgive our passion for our language. When people object to an official name change in a country they don't even live in. It does feel again that our language isn't important enough to be recognised in an official way, hence in a way belittling it as being insignificant. |
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"Thing is in Wales the only thing with names in Welsh are paid for by the English
What the English paid to have Yr Wyddfa erected for us? "
The signs for anything public as you well know |
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""Rather melodramatic. Nobody is belittling anything."
I can understand why you may think that. But our language has been consistently been under attack by rulers in Westminster. We've had the Welsh not, the inability to use Welsh in court so people weren't able to defend themselves in court. My great grandparents were monoglot Welsh. They were treated as second class citizens by authorities.
So you have to forgive our passion for our language. When people object to an official name change in a country they don't even live in. It does feel again that our language isn't important enough to be recognised in an official way, hence in a way belittling it as being insignificant. "
Less than half the population of Wales speak Welsh. It seems to me a hard line of people want to protect the language and that's absolutely fine but I don't see anybody has been belittling anything. |
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What the English paid to have Yr Wyddfa erected for us?
The signs for anything public as you well know "
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce.
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon.
Admittedly and those who have always used the Welsh names will carry on doing the same. But future generations hopefully will use it's origin name, and actually want to celebrate the cultural diversity of this great island and not seek to subdue it.
Nobody is stopping people from using the Welsh name. 5000 people voted for it so I’m sure they will use it.
I lived in Llanberis for many years and my Welsh friends and neighbours had no objection to it being called Snowdon and they also called it Snowdon so that will do for me.
I never said I objected to people calling it Snowdon. My hope is that it's Welsh name which will now be more prevalent will replace it's use in the future and thus preserving the UK cultural history.
I happen to think it's epic that when you go onto the national parks website you see it's original name there. Change happens look how quickly we all changed from Kiev to Kyiv.
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I'm not really bothered about the mountain's name, if people want it then crack on.
However, I don't see the point in this movement for Kyiv/Turkiye etc, as:
a) it's so inconsistent (I can't remember newsreaders talking about Roma not Rome, Firenze not Florence, Paris without the S), or Deutschland not Germany etc.
b) Every country does this. I have no objection to the French calling England Angleterre, or Germans pronouncing it as Ehng-lahnt.
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"Thing is in Wales the only thing with names in Welsh are paid for by the English
What the English paid to have Yr Wyddfa erected for us?
The signs for anything public as you well know
Oh I get you know. Crumbs I'll let my local butcher, cafe and several other local businessess they need to be getting some money from England, they've been missing out "
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"Thing is in Wales the only thing with names in Welsh are paid for by the English
What the English paid to have Yr Wyddfa erected for us?
The signs for anything public as you well know
Oh I get you know. Crumbs I'll let my local butcher, cafe and several other local businessess they need to be getting some money from England, they've been missing out
You know it's true. The Welsh need us English for everything, signs, money,discipline. "
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"Thing is in Wales the only thing with names in Welsh are paid for by the English
What the English paid to have Yr Wyddfa erected for us?
The signs for anything public as you well know
Oh I get you know. Crumbs I'll let my local butcher, cafe and several other local businessess they need to be getting some money from England, they've been missing out
You know it's true. The Welsh need us English for everything, signs, money,discipline. "
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce.
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon.
Admittedly and those who have always used the Welsh names will carry on doing the same. But future generations hopefully will use it's origin name, and actually want to celebrate the cultural diversity of this great island and not seek to subdue it.
Nobody is stopping people from using the Welsh name. 5000 people voted for it so I’m sure they will use it.
I lived in Llanberis for many years and my Welsh friends and neighbours had no objection to it being called Snowdon and they also called it Snowdon so that will do for me.
I never said I objected to people calling it Snowdon. My hope is that it's Welsh name which will now be more prevalent will replace it's use in the future and thus preserving the UK cultural history.
I happen to think it's epic that when you go onto the national parks website you see it's original name there. Change happens look how quickly we all changed from Kiev to Kyiv.
I'm not really bothered about the mountain's name, if people want it then crack on.
However, I don't see the point in this movement for Kyiv/Turkiye etc, as:
a) it's so inconsistent (I can't remember newsreaders talking about Roma not Rome, Firenze not Florence, Paris without the S), or Deutschland not Germany etc.
b) Every country does this. I have no objection to the French calling England Angleterre, or Germans pronouncing it as Ehng-lahnt.
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I hear you, I personally don't object to people calling it by it's English name. I just think it's brill that the national park is called it's native name.
Using your example you'd expect the sign posts in Florence to say Firenze. It'll be the same no? |
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"Thing is in Wales the only thing with names in Welsh are paid for by the English
What the English paid to have Yr Wyddfa erected for us?
The signs for anything public as you well know
Oh I get you know. Crumbs I'll let my local butcher, cafe and several other local businessess they need to be getting some money from England, they've been missing out
You know it's true. The Welsh need us English for everything, signs, money,discipline.
Discipline, please explain further? "
He’s trolling.
Just to stress again - I don’t think people in this thread were belittling. I was talking about social media/society in general. |
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"Thing is in Wales the only thing with names in Welsh are paid for by the English
What the English paid to have Yr Wyddfa erected for us?
The signs for anything public as you well know
Oh I get you know. Crumbs I'll let my local butcher, cafe and several other local businessess they need to be getting some money from England, they've been missing out
You know it's true. The Welsh need us English for everything, signs, money,discipline.
Discipline, please explain further?
He’s trolling.
Just to stress again - I don’t think people in this thread were belittling. I was talking about social media/society in general."
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As an aside, i'm not sure why people get so angry about name changes, especially when it's a return to a native language.
Though, as an aside, I do like the current system in New Zealand/Aotearoa that uses dual names. This is probably the best way to avoid divisiveness, promote mutual respect, and acknowledge the past but also the present.
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"As an aside, i'm not sure why people get so angry about name changes, especially when it's a return to a native language.
Though, as an aside, I do like the current system in New Zealand/Aotearoa that uses dual names. This is probably the best way to avoid divisiveness, promote mutual respect, and acknowledge the past but also the present.
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How do they decide which language goes first? Here in Wales it depends on area. So in the Welsh speaking heartlands Welsh is first then English and vice versa. |
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""Rather melodramatic. Nobody is belittling anything."
I can understand why you may think that. But our language has been consistently been under attack by rulers in Westminster. We've had the Welsh not, the inability to use Welsh in court so people weren't able to defend themselves in court. My great grandparents were monoglot Welsh. They were treated as second class citizens by authorities.
So you have to forgive our passion for our language. When people object to an official name change in a country they don't even live in. It does feel again that our language isn't important enough to be recognised in an official way, hence in a way belittling it as being insignificant.
Less than half the population of Wales speak Welsh. It seems to me a hard line of people want to protect the language and that's absolutely fine but I don't see anybody has been belittling anything. "
Sorry Lorna, but “a hard line” sounds a little negative. Similar to “hardliners”.
It’s really not that. What people (including those in Wales) don’t get is that there are parts of Wales where very few people speak the language, but conversely, areas where 60-70% of the population do. In those areas (predominately West, Mid and North Wales) it’s at the very heart of the community and has been for centuries.
Actually, given the centuries of oppression (and I use that word carefully), it’s a miracle as many people speak it as they do.
It’s actually pretty devastating to hear your language constantly attacked. |
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"It’s change for change sake. People will still call it Snowdon.
Could say that about giving it an English name in the first place, just because it was hard to pronounce.
That may be so but people know it as Snowdon so changing it now wont matter, they will still call it Snowdon.
Admittedly and those who have always used the Welsh names will carry on doing the same. But future generations hopefully will use it's origin name, and actually want to celebrate the cultural diversity of this great island and not seek to subdue it.
Nobody is stopping people from using the Welsh name. 5000 people voted for it so I’m sure they will use it.
I lived in Llanberis for many years and my Welsh friends and neighbours had no objection to it being called Snowdon and they also called it Snowdon so that will do for me.
I never said I objected to people calling it Snowdon. My hope is that it's Welsh name which will now be more prevalent will replace it's use in the future and thus preserving the UK cultural history.
I happen to think it's epic that when you go onto the national parks website you see it's original name there. Change happens look how quickly we all changed from Kiev to Kyiv.
I'm not really bothered about the mountain's name, if people want it then crack on.
However, I don't see the point in this movement for Kyiv/Turkiye etc, as:
a) it's so inconsistent (I can't remember newsreaders talking about Roma not Rome, Firenze not Florence, Paris without the S), or Deutschland not Germany etc.
b) Every country does this. I have no objection to the French calling England Angleterre, or Germans pronouncing it as Ehng-lahnt.
I hear you, I personally don't object to people calling it by it's English name. I just think it's brill that the national park is called it's native name.
Using your example you'd expect the sign posts in Florence to say Firenze. It'll be the same no? "
I'm cool with the change, it's not exactly a like for like comparison, as Italy is a predominantly Italian speaking country, whereas Wales/Cymru is in reality a dual language nation, so maybe the NZ/Aotearoa dual name system is less divisive.
If it can only have one name, yeah it probably should be Welsh, but in a country where the population speaks both, maybe go with dual? |
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"Thing is in Wales the only thing with names in Welsh are paid for by the English
What the English paid to have Yr Wyddfa erected for us?
The signs for anything public as you well know
Oh I get you know. Crumbs I'll let my local butcher, cafe and several other local businessess they need to be getting some money from England, they've been missing out
You know it's true. The Welsh need us English for everything, signs, money,discipline.
Discipline, please explain further? "
We didn't give you all those castles for nothing X |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear"
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over a year ago
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"As an aside, i'm not sure why people get so angry about name changes, especially when it's a return to a native language.
Though, as an aside, I do like the current system in New Zealand/Aotearoa that uses dual names. This is probably the best way to avoid divisiveness, promote mutual respect, and acknowledge the past but also the present.
How do they decide which language goes first? Here in Wales it depends on area. So in the Welsh speaking heartlands Welsh is first then English and vice versa. "
I think it's quite fluid over there. Depends who you ask ha. Genuinely, is it something to get hung up on if both are being used/respected? |
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""Rather melodramatic. Nobody is belittling anything."
I can understand why you may think that. But our language has been consistently been under attack by rulers in Westminster. We've had the Welsh not, the inability to use Welsh in court so people weren't able to defend themselves in court. My great grandparents were monoglot Welsh. They were treated as second class citizens by authorities.
So you have to forgive our passion for our language. When people object to an official name change in a country they don't even live in. It does feel again that our language isn't important enough to be recognised in an official way, hence in a way belittling it as being insignificant.
Less than half the population of Wales speak Welsh. It seems to me a hard line of people want to protect the language and that's absolutely fine but I don't see anybody has been belittling anything.
Sorry Lorna, but “a hard line” sounds a little negative. Similar to “hardliners”.
It’s really not that. What people (including those in Wales) don’t get is that there are parts of Wales where very few people speak the language, but conversely, areas where 60-70% of the population do. In those areas (predominately West, Mid and North Wales) it’s at the very heart of the community and has been for centuries.
Actually, given the centuries of oppression (and I use that word carefully), it’s a miracle as many people speak it as they do.
It’s actually pretty devastating to hear your language constantly attacked."
Your post sounded rather negative same people were belittling. My point stands less than 35% of the population will speak Welsh. |
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Just to be clear I love Wales,it is beautiful (except the rain obviously) and I fully endorse people calling anything in their country whatever they wish. Except Germany. |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
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Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another. |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
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Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another. "
They did.They called it Snowdon.Yr Wddfa is the cairn on top apparently |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear"
Literally the densest thing I've read on the Internet today, congratulations.
You do realise, English King's destroyed records and cultures and implanted their own versions of things as a way of spreading the empire.
You used Google, now learn how to History. It's a much more useful tool. |
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"As an aside, i'm not sure why people get so angry about name changes, especially when it's a return to a native language.
Though, as an aside, I do like the current system in New Zealand/Aotearoa that uses dual names. This is probably the best way to avoid divisiveness, promote mutual respect, and acknowledge the past but also the present.
How do they decide which language goes first? Here in Wales it depends on area. So in the Welsh speaking heartlands Welsh is first then English and vice versa.
I think it's quite fluid over there. Depends who you ask ha. Genuinely, is it something to get hung up on if both are being used/respected?"
I tend to agree, but when people get all wound up in using the native language it doesn't feel like there is a mutual respect. My mother tongue is Welsh I didn't learn English until I was 5 ish. But I'm bilingual they're both part of my daily life. I don't think it matters that it's a minority language, I think all the UK minority languages such as Cornish and Manx etc should be celebrated as part of this great island amazing culture. I even love that part of Yorkshire have their own dialects, all this makes Britain great in my eyes. |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
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Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another. "
I googled When was Snowdon named Snowdon.
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Hill expert Myrddyn Phillips said, according to Hywel Wyn Owen and Richard Morgan's Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales, the name Snowdon is documented as far back as far 1095, while the first known reference to Yr Wyddfa was in 1284. |
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""Rather melodramatic. Nobody is belittling anything."
I can understand why you may think that. But our language has been consistently been under attack by rulers in Westminster. We've had the Welsh not, the inability to use Welsh in court so people weren't able to defend themselves in court. My great grandparents were monoglot Welsh. They were treated as second class citizens by authorities.
So you have to forgive our passion for our language. When people object to an official name change in a country they don't even live in. It does feel again that our language isn't important enough to be recognised in an official way, hence in a way belittling it as being insignificant.
Less than half the population of Wales speak Welsh. It seems to me a hard line of people want to protect the language and that's absolutely fine but I don't see anybody has been belittling anything.
Sorry Lorna, but “a hard line” sounds a little negative. Similar to “hardliners”.
It’s really not that. What people (including those in Wales) don’t get is that there are parts of Wales where very few people speak the language, but conversely, areas where 60-70% of the population do. In those areas (predominately West, Mid and North Wales) it’s at the very heart of the community and has been for centuries.
Actually, given the centuries of oppression (and I use that word carefully), it’s a miracle as many people speak it as they do.
It’s actually pretty devastating to hear your language constantly attacked.
Your post sounded rather negative same people were belittling. My point stands less than 35% of the population will speak Welsh. "
I did clarify (and apologise) saying that I was talking generally, not about the thread.
Honestly though, Lorna - it’s a constant battle against negative comments and perceptions.
I’m sorry if it sounds negative, but it genuinely is what life is like. |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
Literally the densest thing I've read on the Internet today, congratulations.
You do realise, English King's destroyed records and cultures and implanted their own versions of things as a way of spreading the empire.
You used Google, now learn how to History. It's a much more useful tool."
Literally the densest thing I have read today.
Edward 1 invaded Wales in 1277,nearly 200 years after the use of Snowdon so hardly changed it.
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
No reply from all the lovely Taffettes?
Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another.
I googled When was Snowdon named Snowdon.
The first page was BBC
Hill expert Myrddyn Phillips said, according to Hywel Wyn Owen and Richard Morgan's Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales, the name Snowdon is documented as far back as far 1095, while the first known reference to Yr Wyddfa was in 1284."
Cool but logically back in 1095, what language did the majority of the locals speak? Do you really believe it had an English name before a Welsh one? |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
No reply from all the lovely Taffettes?
Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another.
I googled When was Snowdon named Snowdon.
The first page was BBC
Hill expert Myrddyn Phillips said, according to Hywel Wyn Owen and Richard Morgan's Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales, the name Snowdon is documented as far back as far 1095, while the first known reference to Yr Wyddfa was in 1284.
Cool but logically back in 1095, what language did the majority of the locals speak? Do you really believe it had an English name before a Welsh one? "
It is said that Wales is the last true refuge of true English after the Vikings gave us a kicking followed by the Normans so maybe.It was Snow Dun in olde English. |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
No reply from all the lovely Taffettes?
Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another.
I googled When was Snowdon named Snowdon.
The first page was BBC
Hill expert Myrddyn Phillips said, according to Hywel Wyn Owen and Richard Morgan's Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales, the name Snowdon is documented as far back as far 1095, while the first known reference to Yr Wyddfa was in 1284.
Cool but logically back in 1095, what language did the majority of the locals speak? Do you really believe it had an English name before a Welsh one? "
By 1095 we had been Viking/Dane In the North for a couple of centuries and in the South,French was being used thanks to those Pesky Normans |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
No reply from all the lovely Taffettes?
Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another.
I googled When was Snowdon named Snowdon.
The first page was BBC
Hill expert Myrddyn Phillips said, according to Hywel Wyn Owen and Richard Morgan's Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales, the name Snowdon is documented as far back as far 1095, while the first known reference to Yr Wyddfa was in 1284.
Cool but logically back in 1095, what language did the majority of the locals speak? Do you really believe it had an English name before a Welsh one?
By 1095 we had been Viking/Dane In the North for a couple of centuries and in the South,French was being used thanks to those Pesky Normans"
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
No reply from all the lovely Taffettes?
Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another.
I googled When was Snowdon named Snowdon.
The first page was BBC
Hill expert Myrddyn Phillips said, according to Hywel Wyn Owen and Richard Morgan's Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales, the name Snowdon is documented as far back as far 1095, while the first known reference to Yr Wyddfa was in 1284.
Cool but logically back in 1095, what language did the majority of the locals speak? Do you really believe it had an English name before a Welsh one?
By 1095 we had been Viking/Dane In the North for a couple of centuries and in the South,French was being used thanks to those Pesky Normans
But I thought you said those castles the Normans built were needed for discipline "
I did not refer to the Normans. The first castles went up over 200 years after the invasion and I don't know if they still considered themselves Norman.
Timeline
1066 Normans invade
1095 Snowdon first recorded as name.
1277 Edward 1 invades Wales
1280s Castles built
1284 Yr Wdddfa recorded as name.
Perhaps Edward named it Yr Wdddfa which would be ironic for the Welsh to choose to use it given he was not popular in those parts (to say the least) |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
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Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another.
I googled When was Snowdon named Snowdon.
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Hill expert Myrddyn Phillips said, according to Hywel Wyn Owen and Richard Morgan's Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales, the name Snowdon is documented as far back as far 1095, while the first known reference to Yr Wyddfa was in 1284.
Cool but logically back in 1095, what language did the majority of the locals speak? Do you really believe it had an English name before a Welsh one?
By 1095 we had been Viking/Dane In the North for a couple of centuries and in the South,French was being used thanks to those Pesky Normans
But I thought you said those castles the Normans built were needed for discipline
I did not refer to the Normans. The first castles went up over 200 years after the invasion and I don't know if they still considered themselves Norman.
Timeline
1066 Normans invade
1095 Snowdon first recorded as name.
1277 Edward 1 invades Wales
1280s Castles built
1284 Yr Wdddfa recorded as name.
Perhaps Edward named it Yr Wdddfa which would be ironic for the Welsh to choose to use it given he was not popular in those parts (to say the least)"
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
No reply from all the lovely Taffettes?
Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another.
I googled When was Snowdon named Snowdon.
The first page was BBC
Hill expert Myrddyn Phillips said, according to Hywel Wyn Owen and Richard Morgan's Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales, the name Snowdon is documented as far back as far 1095, while the first known reference to Yr Wyddfa was in 1284.
Cool but logically back in 1095, what language did the majority of the locals speak? Do you really believe it had an English name before a Welsh one?
By 1095 we had been Viking/Dane In the North for a couple of centuries and in the South,French was being used thanks to those Pesky Normans
But I thought you said those castles the Normans built were needed for discipline
I did not refer to the Normans. The first castles went up over 200 years after the invasion and I don't know if they still considered themselves Norman.
Timeline
1066 Normans invade
1095 Snowdon first recorded as name.
1277 Edward 1 invades Wales
1280s Castles built
1284 Yr Wdddfa recorded as name.
Perhaps Edward named it Yr Wdddfa which would be ironic for the Welsh to choose to use it given he was not popular in those parts (to say the least)
Recorded by whom? Just for clarity "
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
Literally the densest thing I've read on the Internet today, congratulations.
You do realise, English King's destroyed records and cultures and implanted their own versions of things as a way of spreading the empire.
You used Google, now learn how to History. It's a much more useful tool.
Literally the densest thing I have read today.
Edward 1 invaded Wales in 1277,nearly 200 years after the use of Snowdon so hardly changed it.
Btw " to History " is not a verb.But it may be in Welsh lol"
Well it was clearly a bastardised English sentence, wasn't it? So put your bigotry back in the box, it ain't a good look.
England has dominated the Welsh political landscape for hundreds of years. Clearly. So of course, given England being decidedly the victor in unifying the British Isles its language would take precedent. So why would the name change much, if at all.
Snow Dun (dun meaning hill fort and the like) could very well mean Snowy Fort, and where that name comes from is anyone's guess. But its an Anglo-Saxon name held in place by dominantly Anglo-Saxon powerbases ever since.
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"Welsh means foreigners in old English. So in the interest of inclusivity we should rename them.
Wenglish?"
The irony being that the celts were native before what is considered England/English now.
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"Welsh means foreigners in old English. So in the interest of inclusivity we should rename them.
Wenglish?
The irony being that the celts were native before what is considered England/English now.
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""Rather melodramatic. Nobody is belittling anything."
I can understand why you may think that. But our language has been consistently been under attack by rulers in Westminster. We've had the Welsh not, the inability to use Welsh in court so people weren't able to defend themselves in court. My great grandparents were monoglot Welsh. They were treated as second class citizens by authorities.
So you have to forgive our passion for our language. When people object to an official name change in a country they don't even live in. It does feel again that our language isn't important enough to be recognised in an official way, hence in a way belittling it as being insignificant. "
Bit of a leap though. From renaming a tourist attraction because a minority of 5000 people think its a good thing... To woe is the Welsh and its entire language is under attack from Westminster.? As for where people live... Matters not does it in Internet land? |
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over a year ago
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"Welsh means foreigners in old English. So in the interest of inclusivity we should rename them.
Wenglish?
The irony being that the celts were native before what is considered England/English now.
"
Britons. Romano-British in fact. Nobody is certain that the Britons were entirely Celtic.
The Saxons etc were originally employed by the Romans as mercenaries. Part of the Germanisation of the Roman Army from the time of Augustus.
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""Rather melodramatic. Nobody is belittling anything."
I can understand why you may think that. But our language has been consistently been under attack by rulers in Westminster. We've had the Welsh not, the inability to use Welsh in court so people weren't able to defend themselves in court. My great grandparents were monoglot Welsh. They were treated as second class citizens by authorities.
So you have to forgive our passion for our language. When people object to an official name change in a country they don't even live in. It does feel again that our language isn't important enough to be recognised in an official way, hence in a way belittling it as being insignificant.
Bit of a leap though. From renaming a tourist attraction because a minority of 5000 people think its a good thing... To woe is the Welsh and its entire language is under attack from Westminster.? As for where people live... Matters not does it in Internet land? "
Not now, as in historically Westminster, specifically the Act of Union, its use was banned and its official status removed.
I fail to understand why it being a minority as you call it is important. A group of people wanted to change something, they peacefully protested and the park authority took a vote. And they decided that the protesters had a point and changed the name. We can't as a county complain about peolple gluing themselves to roads and throwing paint on paintings saying it's bad and then say the same of peaceful protesters. I just can't see what they did that is so undemocratic? |
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I disagree that it's easy to avoid when he posts almost daily....
They are. Just don't open the threads he starts. It really is that simple
Now again, back to the OP please"
They aren't.
What exactly would we be getting back to..? Sticking stuff in our walking boots and smoking it? The are rainbows don't make it a nice thing to say.....
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""Rather melodramatic. Nobody is belittling anything."
I can understand why you may think that. But our language has been consistently been under attack by rulers in Westminster. We've had the Welsh not, the inability to use Welsh in court so people weren't able to defend themselves in court. My great grandparents were monoglot Welsh. They were treated as second class citizens by authorities.
So you have to forgive our passion for our language. When people object to an official name change in a country they don't even live in. It does feel again that our language isn't important enough to be recognised in an official way, hence in a way belittling it as being insignificant.
Bit of a leap though. From renaming a tourist attraction because a minority of 5000 people think its a good thing... To woe is the Welsh and its entire language is under attack from Westminster.? As for where people live... Matters not does it in Internet land?
Not now, as in historically Westminster, specifically the Act of Union, its use was banned and its official status removed.
I fail to understand why it being a minority as you call it is important. A group of people wanted to change something, they peacefully protested and the park authority took a vote. And they decided that the protesters had a point and changed the name. We can't as a county complain about peolple gluing themselves to roads and throwing paint on paintings saying it's bad and then say the same of peaceful protesters. I just can't see what they did that is so undemocratic? "
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""Rather melodramatic. Nobody is belittling anything."
I can understand why you may think that. But our language has been consistently been under attack by rulers in Westminster. We've had the Welsh not, the inability to use Welsh in court so people weren't able to defend themselves in court. My great grandparents were monoglot Welsh. They were treated as second class citizens by authorities.
So you have to forgive our passion for our language. When people object to an official name change in a country they don't even live in. It does feel again that our language isn't important enough to be recognised in an official way, hence in a way belittling it as being insignificant.
Bit of a leap though. From renaming a tourist attraction because a minority of 5000 people think its a good thing... To woe is the Welsh and its entire language is under attack from Westminster.? As for where people live... Matters not does it in Internet land?
Not now, as in historically Westminster, specifically the Act of Union, its use was banned and its official status removed.
I fail to understand why it being a minority as you call it is important. A group of people wanted to change something, they peacefully protested and the park authority took a vote. And they decided that the protesters had a point and changed the name. We can't as a county complain about peolple gluing themselves to roads and throwing paint on paintings saying it's bad and then say the same of peaceful protesters. I just can't see what they did that is so undemocratic?
The act of union! From 1707 or whenever? Oh come on. "
Come on what? That the use Welsh language hasn't been squashed over the centuries? Some of us acknowledge that, and would like to retain our heritage because we already lost so much. How very terrible and hard line of us.
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""Rather melodramatic. Nobody is belittling anything."
I can understand why you may think that. But our language has been consistently been under attack by rulers in Westminster. We've had the Welsh not, the inability to use Welsh in court so people weren't able to defend themselves in court. My great grandparents were monoglot Welsh. They were treated as second class citizens by authorities.
So you have to forgive our passion for our language. When people object to an official name change in a country they don't even live in. It does feel again that our language isn't important enough to be recognised in an official way, hence in a way belittling it as being insignificant.
Bit of a leap though. From renaming a tourist attraction because a minority of 5000 people think its a good thing... To woe is the Welsh and its entire language is under attack from Westminster.? As for where people live... Matters not does it in Internet land?
Not now, as in historically Westminster, specifically the Act of Union, its use was banned and its official status removed.
I fail to understand why it being a minority as you call it is important. A group of people wanted to change something, they peacefully protested and the park authority took a vote. And they decided that the protesters had a point and changed the name. We can't as a county complain about peolple gluing themselves to roads and throwing paint on paintings saying it's bad and then say the same of peaceful protesters. I just can't see what they did that is so undemocratic?
The act of union! From 1707 or whenever? Oh come on.
Come on what? That the use Welsh language hasn't been squashed over the centuries? Some of us acknowledge that, and would like to retain our heritage because we already lost so much. How very terrible and hard line of us.
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"Welsh means foreigners in old English. So in the interest of inclusivity we should rename them.
Wenglish?
The irony being that the celts were native before what is considered England/English now.
Britons. Romano-British in fact. Nobody is certain that the Britons were entirely Celtic.
The Saxons etc were originally employed by the Romans as mercenaries. Part of the Germanisation of the Roman Army from the time of Augustus.
No irony. Just history."
Not entirely celtic, absolutely. But the lands and territories were much larger for the various celtic nations and tribes, encompassing much more of what is now England.
I read somewhere a long time ago, that the celts may even have emigrated initially from Turkey, not sure how true it is and I've never looked it up since. But interesting none the less. |
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"Just googled and it was called Snowdon nearly 200 years before your newfangled name lol.How inconvenient. 1095 Snowdon. 1284 Yr Wdddfa. Oh dear
No reply from all the lovely Taffettes?
Can't find your source so I can't comment. But I would assume the Welsh people called the stonking big mountain range something before 1284. Even if it's all likely linked to some kind of giant or another. Most of our mountains are somehow or another.
I googled When was Snowdon named Snowdon.
The first page was BBC
Hill expert Myrddyn Phillips said, according to Hywel Wyn Owen and Richard Morgan's Dictionary of the Place-Names of Wales, the name Snowdon is documented as far back as far 1095, while the first known reference to Yr Wyddfa was in 1284.
Cool but logically back in 1095, what language did the majority of the locals speak? Do you really believe it had an English name before a Welsh one?
By 1095 we had been Viking/Dane In the North for a couple of centuries and in the South,French was being used thanks to those Pesky Normans
But I thought you said those castles the Normans built were needed for discipline
I did not refer to the Normans. The first castles went up over 200 years after the invasion and I don't know if they still considered themselves Norman.
Timeline
1066 Normans invade
1095 Snowdon first recorded as name.
1277 Edward 1 invades Wales
1280s Castles built
1284 Yr Wdddfa recorded as name.
Perhaps Edward named it Yr Wdddfa which would be ironic for the Welsh to choose to use it given he was not popular in those parts (to say the least)"
The Normans built motte and bailey castles in Wales in the C11th.... |
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If you don't like the OP's posts they are easy to avoid
I disagree that it's easy to avoid when he posts almost daily....
They are. Just don't open the threads he starts. It really is that simple
Now again, back to the OP please
They aren't.
What exactly would we be getting back to..? Sticking stuff in our walking boots and smoking it? The are rainbows don't make it a nice thing to say.....
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Someone somewhere will be offended by most threads that are on this forum. Therefore, by your logic, the forums should be shut down just incase that happens. Or, before a thread is started, the OP should pm every user on this site and explain the subject matter that they are about to start and wait until everyone responds with a thumbs up before the thread is posted. The latter is obviously unrealistic.
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The mountain was called Yr Wyddfa long before it was labelled Snowdon, and before even the English language formed after the Saxon invasions. The forebears of any of us with blood of ancient Britons would have spoken a form of Welsh. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"Ok back to the OP please
The OP knew it would be an argumentative thread when he posted it like many of his other threads.....
Talking about something in the news is fine to post. It promotes debate
If you don't like the OP's posts they are easy to avoid
I disagree that it's easy to avoid when he posts almost daily....
They are. Just don't open the threads he starts. It really is that simple
Now again, back to the OP please
They aren't.
What exactly would we be getting back to..? Sticking stuff in our walking boots and smoking it? The are rainbows don't make it a nice thing to say.....
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The OP subject is what we are getting back to
Starting subjects on the forum is allowed, the filling content rule is if they post many posts in one thread to shut the thread or fill it up... or filling forum sections with many many threads. This is not the case here.
YOU don't have to enjoy every post posted but that doesn't mean people can't post because you don't like them....but yes you are indeed disrupting the forum by still complaining about another persons posts when a mod has asked to stop which runs into another rule that has been broken which is disputing a mods decision.
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"Well wether we call it by it's Welsh name or it's English name then just enjoy it. Keep walking up the mountain. It's all over the shoes. "
I love it! Yr Wyddfa is said to be the resting place of Rhita Gawr after he was killed in battle by King Arthur  |
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