FabSwingers.com > Forums > The Lounge > Remembrance Day (My Opinion)
Remembrance Day (My Opinion)
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only.  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Two things:
Firstly Remembrance Day is all well and good so long as it os not a case of being all showy with appreciation for sacrifices made on one day only and forgetting for the other 364.
Secondly, having lived and worked in garrison towns for most of my adult life I do baulk slightly at our tendancy to get all dewy eyed about our 'brave boys and girls'. In my experience, personal and professional the behaviour of a great many of His Majesty's Armed forces leaves a great deal to be desired! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only. "
Totally Disagree 100% why should i forget friends with who served and class as brothers and sisters that gave there lives for this Country LEAST WE FORGET |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only. "
I think people who disagree with remembrance Day should keep their opinions to themselves on Armistice Day and not start inflammatory threads on Fab
Also OP note, we remember personal lost in recent wars too, not just the World Wars.
And at this very moment there is war in Ukraine. How is saying NO helping to stop that ??
Just my opinion of course. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
I think we should always remember and respect the sacrifice of the lions led by donkeys the sheer madness of war...but they did what they had to do with courage and resolve...which is why we enjoy the luxury of the freedoms they fought for  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Forgetting is why we now find ourselves on the brink of World War 3. I'm just mildly curious as to whether it kicks off in Ukraine or Taiwan. For many years the popular consensus was the Middle East. Just goes to show .... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Without the sacrifices of so many a great proportion of us simply wouldn't be here, unless you were blonde haired and blue eyed you were considered "undisirable". So i won't be apologising for taking the time to remember and be thankful not only for their sacrifice but for the freedom we have today because it could of so easily gone the other way.
T |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I agree, lost many friends in service and faulklands I will never forget the ones who. Lost there lives so we can be free, I miss them every year, so keep bad comments off here ????  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I disagree with the OP.
I have the greatest amount of respect for all those who have fought to defend and protect our freedoms.
Freedoms such as the OP himself has to be able to express his opinion. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"I think we should always remember and respect the sacrifice of the lions led by donkeys the sheer madness of war...but they did what they had to do with courage and resolve...which is why we enjoy the luxury of the freedoms they fought for "
Exactly this, I'd been trying to phrase sonething similar.
I'm anti-war and hate that it's a huge global industry. But I still respect everyone that sacrificed their life in the 2 world wars or the more recent wars |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Lest we forget the fact that everyday people from every walk of life made the ultimate sacrifice so that we could live in relative freedom. That freedom includes the right to protest and even question the validity of events such as Remembrance Sunday. Ironic really! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”.
We do not glory in the wars fought, we remind ourselves of those that made the ultimate sacrifice and we thank them, with silence, as we enjoy the freedoms that they have paid for.
“All we have of freedom, all we use or know-
This our fathers bought for us long and long ago” |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Here's a way to put this into better focus. Talk to someone who is (say) in their teens and ask them to tell you about WW1 & WW2 and why they started & how they ended. You'll probably be shocked at how little they know. Then think, if they don't know this stuff, then could it all be repeated? Like it is in Ukraine right now? We must learn from the past to avoid the same mistakes in the future. That's one good reason for Remembrance Day, apart from honouring those who died or were injured. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only.
I think people who disagree with remembrance Day should keep their opinions to themselves on Armistice Day and not start inflammatory threads on Fab
Also OP note, we remember personal lost in recent wars too, not just the World Wars.
And at this very moment there is war in Ukraine. How is saying NO helping to stop that ??
Just my opinion of course."
Exactly! Recent wars also. That's my point exactly! After WW1 we said this will.bever happen again! But we seem to forget and then it happens again. It's all well and good remembering the fallen and the heroes that fight. But isn't better to remember the fact it happened and we should do all we can to prevent it happening again?
The armed forces around thenworlf are also The People so they have the power not to go to war! They can just say no. If everyone done it what can they do? The People in power are giving orders and people are carrying them out. Just as bad as giving the orders. Worst inventions ever is religion and weapons! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only. "
As an ex serviceman myself who's father was at Dunkirk and whose Uncle was shot down and killed, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Here's a way to put this into better focus. Talk to someone who is (say) in their teens and ask them to tell you about WW1 & WW2 and why they started & how they ended. You'll probably be shocked at how little they know. Then think, if they don't know this stuff, then could it all be repeated? Like it is in Ukraine right now? We must learn from the past to avoid the same mistakes in the future. That's one good reason for Remembrance Day, apart from honouring those who died or were injured. "
But that's my point. It does happen again and again and again and again and again. So what's the point? If everyone stood up to the people in power instead of buying poppies and posting Lest We Forget on Facebook then guess what? It will happen again and again and again... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only.
As an ex serviceman myself who's father was at Dunkirk and whose Uncle was shot down and killed, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself."
LMAO! You don't think I've had relatives who died in the forces? And... You saying this means they died in vain as your taking away my right to freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom of expression. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Here's a way to put this into better focus. Talk to someone who is (say) in their teens and ask them to tell you about WW1 & WW2 and why they started & how they ended. You'll probably be shocked at how little they know. Then think, if they don't know this stuff, then could it all be repeated? Like it is in Ukraine right now? We must learn from the past to avoid the same mistakes in the future. That's one good reason for Remembrance Day, apart from honouring those who died or were injured.
But that's my point. It does happen again and again and again and again and again. So what's the point? If everyone stood up to the people in power instead of buying poppies and posting Lest We Forget on Facebook then guess what? It will happen again and again and again... "
to remember is to honour and keep alive otherwise why have graves when we die |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
We should remember the fallen and those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Part of that is to not repeat the actions that caused us to have mass conflicts.
Unfortunately this doesn't happen. Only takes one nut job to kick it off again, and the world is full of nut jobs in power.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Here's a way to put this into better focus. Talk to someone who is (say) in their teens and ask them to tell you about WW1 & WW2 and why they started & how they ended. You'll probably be shocked at how little they know. Then think, if they don't know this stuff, then could it all be repeated? Like it is in Ukraine right now? We must learn from the past to avoid the same mistakes in the future. That's one good reason for Remembrance Day, apart from honouring those who died or were injured.
But that's my point. It does happen again and again and again and again and again. So what's the point? If everyone stood up to the people in power instead of buying poppies and posting Lest We Forget on Facebook then guess what? It will happen again and again and again... "
People do stand up, thats what leads to conflict, good or bad... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I think there's a fine line between remembering (mostly young men, boys even) who died in war vs glorifying warfare.
It bothers me there seems to have been an increasing sense of the latter in recent years.
But I don't think it's helpful to forget or ignore.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"We should remember the fallen and those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Part of that is to not repeat the actions that caused us to have mass conflicts.
Unfortunately this doesn't happen. Only takes one nut job to kick it off again, and the world is full of nut jobs in power.
"
There you go! One nut job. But he's only giving orders. The People who follow the orders are just as bad as they have the freedom to say no! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I think there's a fine line between remembering (mostly young men, boys even) who died in war vs glorifying warfare.
It bothers me there seems to have been an increasing sense of the latter in recent years.
But I don't think it's helpful to forget or ignore.
"
You're all taking what I said out of context. Obviously we should remember the heroes that sacrificed so much. But what I'm saying is all this remembering isn't doing any good as history keeps repeating itself! What's the point in remembering if we just let it happen over and over. WE LET IT HAPPEN! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Ah yes, the best way to prevent things happening again - pretend it never happened in the first place and ensure everyone forgets so that they won’t know how to prevent it, and forgets the devastation that can occur, thus removing any deterrence for future generations.
Genius |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"I think there's a fine line between remembering (mostly young men, boys even) who died in war vs glorifying warfare.
It bothers me there seems to have been an increasing sense of the latter in recent years.
But I don't think it's helpful to forget or ignore.
You're all taking what I said out of context. Obviously we should remember the heroes that sacrificed so much. But what I'm saying is all this remembering isn't doing any good as history keeps repeating itself! What's the point in remembering if we just let it happen over and over. WE LET IT HAPPEN! "
You literally said in your fist post we should forget them   |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *xelf787Man
over a year ago
Chorlton, Manchester |
Yes it's your deluded opinion so keep it to yourself.
What you went on to say is right but it does not mean we cannot take one day to remember our fallen brothers/sisters. So never say rememberance day is crap.
I challenge you to go into a pub full of veterans and/or service personnel and say that!! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I think there's a fine line between remembering (mostly young men, boys even) who died in war vs glorifying warfare.
It bothers me there seems to have been an increasing sense of the latter in recent years.
But I don't think it's helpful to forget or ignore.
You're all taking what I said out of context. Obviously we should remember the heroes that sacrificed so much. But what I'm saying is all this remembering isn't doing any good as history keeps repeating itself! What's the point in remembering if we just let it happen over and over. WE LET IT HAPPEN! "
I’m confused one minute you are saying we shouldn’t bother in remembering the dead and the next breath you are saying we should make you’re mind up |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I think there's a fine line between remembering (mostly young men, boys even) who died in war vs glorifying warfare.
It bothers me there seems to have been an increasing sense of the latter in recent years.
But I don't think it's helpful to forget or ignore.
You're all taking what I said out of context. Obviously we should remember the heroes that sacrificed so much. But what I'm saying is all this remembering isn't doing any good as history keeps repeating itself! What's the point in remembering if we just let it happen over and over. WE LET IT HAPPEN! "
I think there's a case for questioning how we remember. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
Move on I'm ex forces my family are ex forces they gave there All and paid there price in death , fallen not forgotten they earned the respect of the nation and long may it continue , that's my opinion |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"We should remember the fallen and those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Part of that is to not repeat the actions that caused us to have mass conflicts.
Unfortunately this doesn't happen. Only takes one nut job to kick it off again, and the world is full of nut jobs in power.
There you go! One nut job. But he's only giving orders. The People who follow the orders are just as bad as they have the freedom to say no! "
If you refuse to follow orders, they kill your family, that’s how it works in fear-ridden dictatorships. So they come to fight, because they have no choice. We have to defend, because we have no choice. Ultimately the sacrifice is abhorrent, pointless, which is why we remember it with silence and not fireworks.. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
I think too many of us have forgotten, and we cosplay fealty because it's politically expedient. I think our society spits in the face of those who sacrificed for us. We bend them to our will, no matter how fleeting, petty, or illogical. (I am making no specific accusations about any person)
I use this time of year - and late April - as a time to reflect. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Ah yes, the best way to prevent things happening again - pretend it never happened in the first place and ensure everyone forgets so that they won’t know how to prevent it, and forgets the devastation that can occur, thus removing any deterrence for future generations.
Genius "
Again... what's remembering ever done for us? Nothing! I said maybe we should forget everything not just wars, that human kind has ever done and start focussing on positive things. Doesn't it make you angry that we do this every year but there's a war somewhere every year!? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
OK. In my habitual role as peacemaker my take is as follows -
The OP has not disrespected the fallen. He has pointed out the slight irony of remembering and honouring sacrifice, yet still the horror of war continues. Valid point.
Whether Remembrance Day is worthwhile or not is a matter of opinion. Just that. Opinion.
Not sure I agree with OP, but equally not sure some of the responses are fair on the OP. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Forget history you then let it happen again. No one likes war but there are time when you most stand firm. We most never forget those that stood firm stood for freedom. Those that put duty first. I not from a military family but I honour those that are. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"OK. In my habitual role as peacemaker my take is as follows -
The OP has not disrespected the fallen. He has pointed out the slight irony of remembering and honouring sacrifice, yet still the horror of war continues. Valid point.
Whether Remembrance Day is worthwhile or not is a matter of opinion. Just that. Opinion.
Not sure I agree with OP, but equally not sure some of the responses are fair on the OP."
Equally, OP, sometimes it's worth reading the room and tactically withdrawing. I am not sure this discussion is going to go anywhere useful! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"We should remember the fallen and those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Part of that is to not repeat the actions that caused us to have mass conflicts.
Unfortunately this doesn't happen. Only takes one nut job to kick it off again, and the world is full of nut jobs in power.
There you go! One nut job. But he's only giving orders. The People who follow the orders are just as bad as they have the freedom to say no!
If you refuse to follow orders, they kill your family, that’s how it works in fear-ridden dictatorships. So they come to fight, because they have no choice. We have to defend, because we have no choice. Ultimately the sacrifice is abhorrent, pointless, which is why we remember it with silence and not fireworks.. "
That's my point. If EVERYONE person didn't follow moronic orders then there would be no one to kill their families. Those who follow are as bad as the person giving orders. I'd rather die standing up for what I believe in and maybe my family too? Than giving up my beliefs and having to kill people and starting wars and my family may end up dying anyway!? Again... My Opinion. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"Ah yes, the best way to prevent things happening again - pretend it never happened in the first place and ensure everyone forgets so that they won’t know how to prevent it, and forgets the devastation that can occur, thus removing any deterrence for future generations.
Genius
Again... what's remembering ever done for us? Nothing! I said maybe we should forget everything not just wars, that human kind has ever done and start focussing on positive things. Doesn't it make you angry that we do this every year but there's a war somewhere every year!? "
I'm notbsure how doing away with remembering the dead will achieve world peace? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
Newcastle |
I don't believe anything should be short lived we are all still alive because of those whom put their own lives at the front. It's not something easy to do but they did which takes courage.... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Again... what's remembering ever done for us? Nothing!"
I disagree with this. We took our boys to the war memorials in Normandy. It's impossible not to reflect on the horrors of how many people were killed while you're walking among them (of all nationalities).
I'm sure it had an impact on them and I hope very much they'll never find themselves involved in warfare.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
It's veterans day in the states. I can't believe I just read this. We are both veterans. Imagine if they didn't sacrifice.You wouldn't be on here expressing your opinion...
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"It's veterans day in the states. I can't believe I just read this. We are both veterans. Imagine if they didn't sacrifice.You wouldn't be on here expressing your opinion...
"
Where would he be? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
There's times and places for debates about conflict and all the issues around it which is complex..
Today is not the time, op you've contradicted yourself and that alone is confusing..
Perhaps as the mods to remove this thread and have the debate another day..?
Lest we forget..
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Ah yes, the best way to prevent things happening again - pretend it never happened in the first place and ensure everyone forgets so that they won’t know how to prevent it, and forgets the devastation that can occur, thus removing any deterrence for future generations.
Genius
Again... what's remembering ever done for us? Nothing! I said maybe we should forget everything not just wars, that human kind has ever done and start focussing on positive things. Doesn't it make you angry that we do this every year but there's a war somewhere every year!? "
personally for me it’s a small price for us to pay to spend a few moments to remember the fallen |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"We should remember the fallen and those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Part of that is to not repeat the actions that caused us to have mass conflicts.
Unfortunately this doesn't happen. Only takes one nut job to kick it off again, and the world is full of nut jobs in power.
There you go! One nut job. But he's only giving orders. The People who follow the orders are just as bad as they have the freedom to say no!
If you refuse to follow orders, they kill your family, that’s how it works in fear-ridden dictatorships. So they come to fight, because they have no choice. We have to defend, because we have no choice. Ultimately the sacrifice is abhorrent, pointless, which is why we remember it with silence and not fireworks..
That's my point. If EVERYONE person didn't follow moronic orders then there would be no one to kill their families. Those who follow are as bad as the person giving orders. I'd rather die standing up for what I believe in and maybe my family too? Than giving up my beliefs and having to kill people and starting wars and my family may end up dying anyway!? Again... My Opinion. "
? How does that work practically? When you rely on the state for food, medicine, shelter? Whilst I understand what you are saying, I think, the reality is, that it won’t happen UNLESS we have days of remembrance, that empower people around the globe to question the sacrifice, and question the actions of their leaders. If we just “forgot”, what then would stir the unjust pain and call out the cry “never again? What then would give us a collective moment as “ordinary people” to demonstrate that we can be unified and feared for that unity, when we stand in silence the clarion message is, “we will not fight an unjust war” |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"OK. In my habitual role as peacemaker my take is as follows -
The OP has not disrespected the fallen. He has pointed out the slight irony of remembering and honouring sacrifice, yet still the horror of war continues. Valid point.
Whether Remembrance Day is worthwhile or not is a matter of opinion. Just that. Opinion.
Not sure I agree with OP, but equally not sure some of the responses are fair on the OP."
Yeah, better put. I'm not disrespecting the fallen, of course I'm not. I'm saying all this remembering isn't really doing anything to change the fact we keep having wars! Since WW1 say, there were so many wars before then but WW1 with 'civilised'people in the world. There should not have been another war after that! We shiild have come together as a World and sorted everything out. We are so divided as a World. People need to realise we can make a change to how we live and how this world operates if we all pull together. At the end of the day it's the people that make this world run. More action is needed than remembering. The Russians that are leaving Russia have the right idea. They're saying we don't like what you're doing we're off. Ok they should be marching towards Putin and demanding it all to stop but it's a start.
I have a different outlook on the world I suppose? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
Titz Towers, North Notts |
I think that for some people, there is a competitive element to it and they will have a huge poppy and then look for folk whom they deem aren't showing sufficient respect. A lot of it seems to be being seen to show respect. At least for a fortnight and to the exclusion of other deserving causes. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"We should remember the fallen and those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Part of that is to not repeat the actions that caused us to have mass conflicts.
Unfortunately this doesn't happen. Only takes one nut job to kick it off again, and the world is full of nut jobs in power.
There you go! One nut job. But he's only giving orders. The People who follow the orders are just as bad as they have the freedom to say no!
If you refuse to follow orders, they kill your family, that’s how it works in fear-ridden dictatorships. So they come to fight, because they have no choice. We have to defend, because we have no choice. Ultimately the sacrifice is abhorrent, pointless, which is why we remember it with silence and not fireworks..
That's my point. If EVERYONE person didn't follow moronic orders then there would be no one to kill their families. Those who follow are as bad as the person giving orders. I'd rather die standing up for what I believe in and maybe my family too? Than giving up my beliefs and having to kill people and starting wars and my family may end up dying anyway!? Again... My Opinion.
? How does that work practically? When you rely on the state for food, medicine, shelter? Whilst I understand what you are saying, I think, the reality is, that it won’t happen UNLESS we have days of remembrance, that empower people around the globe to question the sacrifice, and question the actions of their leaders. If we just “forgot”, what then would stir the unjust pain and call out the cry “never again? What then would give us a collective moment as “ordinary people” to demonstrate that we can be unified and feared for that unity, when we stand in silence the clarion message is, “we will not fight an unjust war” "
Ok maybe not forget but we need to do more than just remember. Stand in silence? No, we should fucking scream! Everyone for one minute scream as loud as you can "THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAGIN!" That's what we should do. You're all mistaking me that I'm being disrespectful when in fact I'm being passionate! I don't want to have to remember the next fallen hero I want to save them! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I disagree my great grandfather and uncle who died from mustard gas in first war and various relatives that died during the Second World War
Part of my history and life
So just my opinion I will never forget
Only my personal opinion of coarse  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
- George Santayana
The OP’s opinion is the sort that, if allowed to take root, will push your country further and further towards the terrible aspects currently on display in the US.
Maybe that’s what the OP wants. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I definitely think it's legitimate to ask why so many will still willingly go to war.
I don't like the suggestions by some that you shouldn't be permitted to express such thoughts. Rather misses the point of what so many died for. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's veterans day in the states. I can't believe I just read this. We are both veterans. Imagine if they didn't sacrifice.You wouldn't be on here expressing your opinion...
"
And its remembrance day here, and part of the sacrifice of veterans is to establish freedom of speech, not just standing in lock step with veterans. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I definitely think it's legitimate to ask why so many will still willingly go to war.
I don't like the suggestions by some that you shouldn't be permitted to express such thoughts. Rather misses the point of what so many died for."
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"Ah yes, the best way to prevent things happening again - pretend it never happened in the first place and ensure everyone forgets so that they won’t know how to prevent it, and forgets the devastation that can occur, thus removing any deterrence for future generations.
Genius
Again... what's remembering ever done for us? Nothing! I said maybe we should forget everything not just wars, that human kind has ever done and start focussing on positive things. Doesn't it make you angry that we do this every year but there's a war somewhere every year!? personally for me it’s a small price for us to pay to spend a few moments to remember the fallen "
Lol a few moments... That's another point. People think they've done good by remembering for one day, putting a border on their Facebook profile and say yeah, I done good. When in fact you've done nothing. Not really? We should have a petition every year to the world leaders and everyone in the world should sign saying we won't take this shit anymore.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Ah yes, the best way to prevent things happening again - pretend it never happened in the first place and ensure everyone forgets so that they won’t know how to prevent it, and forgets the devastation that can occur, thus removing any deterrence for future generations.
Genius
Again... what's remembering ever done for us? Nothing! I said maybe we should forget everything not just wars, that human kind has ever done and start focussing on positive things. Doesn't it make you angry that we do this every year but there's a war somewhere every year!? personally for me it’s a small price for us to pay to spend a few moments to remember the fallen
Lol a few moments... That's another point. People think they've done good by remembering for one day, putting a border on their Facebook profile and say yeah, I done good. When in fact you've done nothing. Not really? We should have a petition every year to the world leaders and everyone in the world should sign saying we won't take this shit anymore.
"
Because that will stop imperial motivations. Food scarcity, natural disasters, diplomatic errors. And all leaders will totes respect that always.
Change Dot Org - the power to make all our problems go away. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Ah yes, the best way to prevent things happening again - pretend it never happened in the first place and ensure everyone forgets so that they won’t know how to prevent it, and forgets the devastation that can occur, thus removing any deterrence for future generations.
Genius
Again... what's remembering ever done for us? Nothing! I said maybe we should forget everything not just wars, that human kind has ever done and start focussing on positive things. Doesn't it make you angry that we do this every year but there's a war somewhere every year!? personally for me it’s a small price for us to pay to spend a few moments to remember the fallen
Lol a few moments... That's another point. People think they've done good by remembering for one day, putting a border on their Facebook profile and say yeah, I done good. When in fact you've done nothing. Not really? We should have a petition every year to the world leaders and everyone in the world should sign saying we won't take this shit anymore.
"
I’m glad my post made you “LOL” |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
What I'm saying is remembrance day is all well and good but it doesn't really achieve anything. Just every year there's more to remember. Since WW1 we've had 108 remembrance days. How many wars have we had since then around the world? There's 10 going on right now. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"OK. In my habitual role as peacemaker my take is as follows -
The OP has not disrespected the fallen. He has pointed out the slight irony of remembering and honouring sacrifice, yet still the horror of war continues. Valid point.
Whether Remembrance Day is worthwhile or not is a matter of opinion. Just that. Opinion.
Not sure I agree with OP, but equally not sure some of the responses are fair on the OP.
Yeah, better put. I'm not disrespecting the fallen, of course I'm not. I'm saying all this remembering isn't really doing anything to change the fact we keep having wars! Since WW1 say, there were so many wars before then but WW1 with 'civilised'people in the world. There should not have been another war after that! We shiild have come together as a World and sorted everything out. We are so divided as a World. People need to realise we can make a change to how we live and how this world operates if we all pull together. At the end of the day it's the people that make this world run. More action is needed than remembering. The Russians that are leaving Russia have the right idea. They're saying we don't like what you're doing we're off. Ok they should be marching towards Putin and demanding it all to stop but it's a start.
I have a different outlook on the world I suppose? "
Hang on how are the Russians leaving the country doing the right thing if you also say the right thing fir them to do is marching on putin?
Seems a contradiction? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"OP are you Related to Jeremy Corbyn or Diene Abbott ,God Bless our Fallen HEROES.
What have either of them done to disrespect the fallen?"
in regards to corbyn I think it was the fact he wouldn’t condemn the IRA |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"What I'm saying is remembrance day is all well and good but it doesn't really achieve anything. Just every year there's more to remember. Since WW1 we've had 108 remembrance days. How many wars have we had since then around the world? There's 10 going on right now. "
I'm not a fan of Remembrance Day in its current form, but I think your view of the world is enormously simplistic. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I think OP is a Narcissist and everyone’s playing into his hands (as am I by replying)
Or has daddy issues.
Respecting those once a year who have fallen having served their country is the least we can do.
Probably best that we have no more replies and ignore him |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I think your opinion would be different if you had ever served for your country. Clearly not with that opinion. Thank god its not what most people think. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I think OP is a Narcissist and everyone’s playing into his hands (as am I by replying)
Or has daddy issues.
Respecting those once a year who have fallen having served their country is the least we can do.
Probably best that we have no more replies and ignore him"
I think the problem a lot people people have is the politicalisation of this day, with phrases like "served the country".
I don't think anyone should have a problem with the "respecting those who have fallen".
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"OK. In my habitual role as peacemaker my take is as follows -
The OP has not disrespected the fallen. He has pointed out the slight irony of remembering and honouring sacrifice, yet still the horror of war continues. Valid point.
Whether Remembrance Day is worthwhile or not is a matter of opinion. Just that. Opinion.
Not sure I agree with OP, but equally not sure some of the responses are fair on the OP.
Yeah, better put. I'm not disrespecting the fallen, of course I'm not. I'm saying all this remembering isn't really doing anything to change the fact we keep having wars! Since WW1 say, there were so many wars before then but WW1 with 'civilised'people in the world. There should not have been another war after that! We shiild have come together as a World and sorted everything out. We are so divided as a World. People need to realise we can make a change to how we live and how this world operates if we all pull together. At the end of the day it's the people that make this world run. More action is needed than remembering. The Russians that are leaving Russia have the right idea. They're saying we don't like what you're doing we're off. Ok they should be marching towards Putin and demanding it all to stop but it's a start.
I have a different outlook on the world I suppose?
Hang on how are the Russians leaving the country doing the right thing if you also say the right thing fir them to do is marching on putin?
Seems a contradiction?"
Its exactly a contradiction lol. They are leaving the country which is good but to end it they should be marching towards the people in power. Do you really think everyone fighting in wars really want to be there? Some may do in some countries but most don't. They think they're doing what's best for the country but in fact what would be best is to turn around and point the guns at the people making them be there. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ack688Man
over a year ago
abruzzo Italy (and UK) |
The things we need to not forget are-
Wars are made by those in power but they aren’t the ones who suffer and die, those who start wars need to be opposed, if every soldier simply refused to fight then war would become obsolete.
Wars are profitable, but again, the people who stand to make fortunes are again, not the ones who suffer and die, corporations that manufacture weaponry need to be boycotted. No weapons, no wars.
The concept of country is meaningless, as John Lennon said ‘imagine there’s no countries, isn’t hard to do, nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too’. I am totally in alignment with this idea. We need to stop being insular and thinking of the people in one country as ‘us’ and the people in other countries as ‘them’, we are all the same, it’s entirely an accident if geography at birth, it doesn’t make you different.
So we need to not forget, but we need to be sure that we are remembering the right things! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *xelf787Man
over a year ago
Chorlton, Manchester |
"OK. In my habitual role as peacemaker my take is as follows -
The OP has not disrespected the fallen. He has pointed out the slight irony of remembering and honouring sacrifice, yet still the horror of war continues. Valid point.
Whether Remembrance Day is worthwhile or not is a matter of opinion. Just that. Opinion.
Not sure I agree with OP, but equally not sure some of the responses are fair on the OP.
Yeah, better put. I'm not disrespecting the fallen, of course I'm not. I'm saying all this remembering isn't really doing anything to change the fact we keep having wars! Since WW1 say, there were so many wars before then but WW1 with 'civilised'people in the world. There should not have been another war after that! We shiild have come together as a World and sorted everything out. We are so divided as a World. People need to realise we can make a change to how we live and how this world operates if we all pull together. At the end of the day it's the people that make this world run. More action is needed than remembering. The Russians that are leaving Russia have the right idea. They're saying we don't like what you're doing we're off. Ok they should be marching towards Putin and demanding it all to stop but it's a start.
I have a different outlook on the world I suppose? "
You are disrecting the fallen by saying rememberance day is crap. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"The things we need to not forget are-
Wars are made by those in power but they aren’t the ones who suffer and die, those who start wars need to be opposed, if every soldier simply refused to fight then war would become obsolete.
Wars are profitable, but again, the people who stand to make fortunes are again, not the ones who suffer and die, corporations that manufacture weaponry need to be boycotted. No weapons, no wars.
The concept of country is meaningless, as John Lennon said ‘imagine there’s no countries, isn’t hard to do, nothing to kill or die for, and no religion too’. I am totally in alignment with this idea. We need to stop being insular and thinking of the people in one country as ‘us’ and the people in other countries as ‘them’, we are all the same, it’s entirely an accident if geography at birth, it doesn’t make you different.
So we need to not forget, but we need to be sure that we are remembering the right things! "
As soon as you quoted John Lennon it started making no sense.
I know it’s not your main point but - it’s not even easy to imagine a world without countries.
In fact I’d hate a world like that. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
|
"I think your opinion would be different if you had ever served for your country. Clearly not with that opinion. Thank god its not what most people think. "
I wouldn't go to war if I didn't believe in it no. Serve my country. That's the problem there. I follow orders to serve my country. When in fact you're serving those who make the decisions. Not your country, the country doesn't want to go to war. People do, we are destroying the planet with wars. I love this planet and every country. It's a beautiful world. I love the UK it's a beautiful country! I'm sure that beautiful country doesn't wanna be blown up and destroyed so to say I'm doing it for my country is a lie. You're doing it for your countrymen. People are obsessed especially America with blowing things up and shooting things. People say they love their country but don't mind destroying it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
LMAO we can't stop greedy, despotic, power-hungry men and women from going to war, but we can bow our heads in respect, buy a poppy and be thankful for the souls who lost their lives in these men's and women's wars.
Let's all shout outside Parliament and see where that gets us LOL |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I think your opinion would be different if you had ever served for your country. Clearly not with that opinion. Thank god its not what most people think.
I wouldn't go to war if I didn't believe in it no. Serve my country. That's the problem there. I follow orders to serve my country. When in fact you're serving those who make the decisions. Not your country, the country doesn't want to go to war. People do, we are destroying the planet with wars. I love this planet and every country. It's a beautiful world. I love the UK it's a beautiful country! I'm sure that beautiful country doesn't wanna be blown up and destroyed so to say I'm doing it for my country is a lie. You're doing it for your countrymen. People are obsessed especially America with blowing things up and shooting things. People say they love their country but don't mind destroying it. "
WW2 was similar to Ukraine, an agressor started it, the otherside had to stop them. How do you propose to do that without defeating them on the battle field? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"
That's my point. If EVERYONE person didn't follow moronic orders then there would be no one to kill their families. Those who follow are as bad as the person giving orders. I'd rather die standing up for what I believe in and maybe my family too? Than giving up my beliefs and having to kill people and starting wars and my family may end up dying anyway!? Again... My Opinion. "
Firstly, not EVERYONE follows the moronic orders.
But the reality is these narcisstic evil leaders have/do exist. You can bury your head in the sand, and rant about a perfect world where there are no tyranical dictators and brainwashed followers, but that will never happen..
You can go back to in history as far as you want, and these leaders always appear.
And people do follow them.
But there are always people and nations that stand up to them.
Britain and her Allies stood up to Hitler. What do you think would've happened if they hadnt???
And lets not forget, most of the men and women who served during world wars, weren't regular soldiers. They were ordinary people with regular jobs who answered the call to arms to prevent fascism spreading.
People who have lost someone in war, or even after the war (died of injuries or suicide)...or for servicemen and women, everyday is Remembrance Day.
But one day a year, they can unite and remember together.
They wear their cap badges, Regimental/Corps badges and medals, and march with pride.
Are all wars justified?? No, of course not.
Would there be less wars if the politicans were the ones who had to do the fighting? Almost definitely.
Do most veterans care about the politicians that attend these ceremonies?? No, not at all. Most know they are going through the motions and probably couldn't care less.
You say you'd rather die for something you believe in. What do you think most soldiers do?? That's exactly what they believe too.
You say you lost family members in wars. I wonder what they would think of your opinion??
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *xelf787Man
over a year ago
Chorlton, Manchester |
"
That's my point. If EVERYONE person didn't follow moronic orders then there would be no one to kill their families. Those who follow are as bad as the person giving orders. I'd rather die standing up for what I believe in and maybe my family too? Than giving up my beliefs and having to kill people and starting wars and my family may end up dying anyway!? Again... My Opinion.
Firstly, not EVERYONE follows the moronic orders.
But the reality is these narcisstic evil leaders have/do exist. You can bury your head in the sand, and rant about a perfect world where there are no tyranical dictators and brainwashed followers, but that will never happen..
You can go back to in history as far as you want, and these leaders always appear.
And people do follow them.
But there are always people and nations that stand up to them.
Britain and her Allies stood up to Hitler. What do you think would've happened if they hadnt???
And lets not forget, most of the men and women who served during world wars, weren't regular soldiers. They were ordinary people with regular jobs who answered the call to arms to prevent fascism spreading.
People who have lost someone in war, or even after the war (died of injuries or suicide)...or for servicemen and women, everyday is Remembrance Day.
But one day a year, they can unite and remember together.
They wear their cap badges, Regimental/Corps badges and medals, and march with pride.
Are all wars justified?? No, of course not.
Would there be less wars if the politicans were the ones who had to do the fighting? Almost definitely.
Do most veterans care about the politicians that attend these ceremonies?? No, not at all. Most know they are going through the motions and probably couldn't care less.
You say you'd rather die for something you believe in. What do you think most soldiers do?? That's exactly what they believe too.
You say you lost family members in wars. I wonder what they would think of your opinion??
"
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
That's my point. If EVERYONE person didn't follow moronic orders then there would be no one to kill their families. Those who follow are as bad as the person giving orders. I'd rather die standing up for what I believe in and maybe my family too? Than giving up my beliefs and having to kill people and starting wars and my family may end up dying anyway!? Again... My Opinion.
Firstly, not EVERYONE follows the moronic orders.
But the reality is these narcisstic evil leaders have/do exist. You can bury your head in the sand, and rant about a perfect world where there are no tyranical dictators and brainwashed followers, but that will never happen..
You can go back to in history as far as you want, and these leaders always appear.
And people do follow them.
But there are always people and nations that stand up to them.
Britain and her Allies stood up to Hitler. What do you think would've happened if they hadnt???
And lets not forget, most of the men and women who served during world wars, weren't regular soldiers. They were ordinary people with regular jobs who answered the call to arms to prevent fascism spreading.
People who have lost someone in war, or even after the war (died of injuries or suicide)...or for servicemen and women, everyday is Remembrance Day.
But one day a year, they can unite and remember together.
They wear their cap badges, Regimental/Corps badges and medals, and march with pride.
Are all wars justified?? No, of course not.
Would there be less wars if the politicans were the ones who had to do the fighting? Almost definitely.
Do most veterans care about the politicians that attend these ceremonies?? No, not at all. Most know they are going through the motions and probably couldn't care less.
You say you'd rather die for something you believe in. What do you think most soldiers do?? That's exactly what they believe too.
You say you lost family members in wars. I wonder what they would think of your opinion??
"
Very well articulated. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I think your opinion would be different if you had ever served for your country. Clearly not with that opinion. Thank god its not what most people think.
I wouldn't go to war if I didn't believe in it no. Serve my country. That's the problem there. I follow orders to serve my country. When in fact you're serving those who make the decisions. Not your country, the country doesn't want to go to war. People do, we are destroying the planet with wars. I love this planet and every country. It's a beautiful world. I love the UK it's a beautiful country! I'm sure that beautiful country doesn't wanna be blown up and destroyed so to say I'm doing it for my country is a lie. You're doing it for your countrymen. People are obsessed especially America with blowing things up and shooting things. People say they love their country but don't mind destroying it. "
How would you have dealt with Adolf Hitler? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"What I'm saying is remembrance day is all well and good but it doesn't really achieve anything. Just every year there's more to remember. Since WW1 we've had 108 remembrance days. How many wars have we had since then around the world? There's 10 going on right now. "
Generations are not static. New generations coming through absolutely need to remember the atrocities of the past, in the hopes that all of us never descend into that in the future.
History should never be forgotten, regardless of how simplistic, privileged and/or childlike your worldview is. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"i will never forget i have been to the grave of my son this morning and shared a bottle of port with him"
This could so easily have been me with my brother, dad, uncles, grandads…..
Sending my love to anyone missing a family member today xx
J x |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"We should remember the fallen and those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Part of that is to not repeat the actions that caused us to have mass conflicts.
Unfortunately this doesn't happen. Only takes one nut job to kick it off again, and the world is full of nut jobs in power.
There you go! One nut job. But he's only giving orders. The People who follow the orders are just as bad as they have the freedom to say no! "
Do you seriously think the Russian soldiers being sent to Ukraine have the freedom to say no?  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"What I'm saying is remembrance day is all well and good but it doesn't really achieve anything. Just every year there's more to remember. Since WW1 we've had 108 remembrance days. How many wars have we had since then around the world? There's 10 going on right now. "
Today is the 104th Remembrance Day. The 1st was 1919 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"What I'm saying is remembrance day is all well and good but it doesn't really achieve anything. Just every year there's more to remember. Since WW1 we've had 108 remembrance days. How many wars have we had since then around the world? There's 10 going on right now. "
It's a powerful day which gives people the opportunity to remember any loved ones that fought and died for their country
It's not supposed to stop current and future wars |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
You are entitled to your opinion OP, but honestly I think it's naïve to imagine wars can be stopped. There will always be disputes over territory, ideology, vanity ....whatever. When that time comes, somebody has to take a stand and take up arms to defend our land, values, freedoms. I don't see a problem with remembering those who've made that sacrifice in the past for an hour or so. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
OP. Your opening post, took off the top surface, stop digging. Just remember the fallen stood on the wall keeping watch so others could sleep safe in their beds, that's still true today, you show a lack of respect in your opinion, I'm sorry to say. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
"What I'm saying is remembrance day is all well and good but it doesn't really achieve anything. Just every year there's more to remember. Since WW1 we've had 108 remembrance days. How many wars have we had since then around the world? There's 10 going on right now.
It's a powerful day which gives people the opportunity to remember any loved ones that fought and died for their country
It's not supposed to stop current and future wars"
This^^
And it is not just those who carried arms, it is anybody who served in any capacity including the nurses, the doctors etc.
As a child, I always thought Remembrance Day would somehow ensure that there would be no more wars (in Europe at least), that people would truly remember the atrocities and horrors of fighting our "brothers in arms".
It was indeed a child's vision and as a grown up, I realise that is unrealistic and naive.... but we should nonetheless not forget. If we forgot, we would lose that hope of eventually mankind coming to its sense.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"What I'm saying is remembrance day is all well and good but it doesn't really achieve anything. Just every year there's more to remember. Since WW1 we've had 108 remembrance days. How many wars have we had since then around the world? There's 10 going on right now.
It's a powerful day which gives people the opportunity to remember any loved ones that fought and died for their country
It's not supposed to stop current and future wars
This^^
And it is not just those who carried arms, it is anybody who served in any capacity including the nurses, the doctors etc.
As a child, I always thought Remembrance Day would somehow ensure that there would be no more wars (in Europe at least), that people would truly remember the atrocities and horrors of fighting our "brothers in arms".
It was indeed a child's vision and as a grown up, I realise that is unrealistic and naive.... but we should nonetheless not forget. If we forgot, we would lose that hope of eventually mankind coming to its sense.
"
I had a similar view. As an adult, I try to reflect on why these things happen, and how I can enact better in my own life.
Honour their sacrifice by working towards the ideals of peace, human rights, equality, etc.
It feels like pissing into the wind sometimes, but that's what it means to me. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I just cant with this thread.
The fact you OP have the right to say what you did is exactly why we shouldnt forget. Imagine living in a country where you had no right to express your opinion for fear of death. Those countries do exist.
War will never stop, the same as bullying will never stop. Someone in power decides they want more and someone HAS to stand up to them. Like the first and second world wars and the current war in Ukraine. A bully tried to push their luck and people had to push back to show that we wont allow it.
Remembrance day is the one day we, as a country and a commonwealth, get to pay our respects to those that sacrificed everything for us to be free. We pay our respects to the fallen, and to the serving.
We pay pur respects to their families, those that have lost someone, and those that are missing loved ones currently deployed.
We acknowledge that we are grateful for everything we now have because of them.
I am a CFAV and it isnt just one day, it is just the one day we can all come together to show them how we feel for what they have given us.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Op in my opinion you are a moron with no idea and are just here to be annoying
Perhaps you should leave as you are being laughed at now
But that is my opinion being ex military and understanding why and what is being remembered
But it is only the reason that remembering is why you are allowed an opinion |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only. "
Pretty worthless one it seems. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has got one but we don’t all need to see them. "
But we all need them and if you hold it all in you'll end up all full of shit |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
I understand your thinking but if it wasn't for those people we wouldn't have our freedom.
We need to remember that so it doesn't happen again. That the world won't stand for what happen.
Something all the nation could fo with remembering now! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
South Wales |
You’re entitled to your opinion but it’s not one I agree with. My Grampy fought in the Second World War and was shot twice. He survived and he left me his war medals as I chaperoned him on many, many Remembrance Day parades (mostly Regimental ones).
The look of pride on the faces of those who served (the older generation and the younger) shows they were proud to have served their Country, when most of them were called upon to do so. The look of grief on the faces of those looking through the rememberance book at Wellington Barracks and seeing the names of their friends who they lost, the pain of it all was still there, still raw.
My Gramp never forget the hell he and his fellow soldiers went through, all the horrors he saw. But nor did he forget the friendships he made, the places he saw.
And I’ll never forget either, because he was my Grampy and I was thankful to have him, for what he endured so others could have their freedom.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Yes it's your deluded opinion so keep it to yourself.
What you went on to say is right but it does not mean we cannot take one day to remember our fallen brothers/sisters. So never say rememberance day is crap.
I challenge you to go into a pub full of veterans and/or service personnel and say that!!"
Why ? What would they do ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
The only thing that annoys me about Rememberence day is the prominance of politicians and Royalty; both who either caused the deaths of millions or did little real service.
As for the lording of Churchill; he was a massive failure when in charge of the admiralty and a dreadful tactician
Remember the dead and learn from the errors of our "leaders" |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *adyBugsWoman
over a year ago
cognito |
"Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has got one but we don’t all need to see them.
But we all need them and if you hold it all in you'll end up all full of shit "
True but sometimes people spew it out everywhere and they are still full of it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
You’ve totally and completely missed the point and you are out of order and wrong on so many levels.. my opinion obviously
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only. "
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago
Chippenham Malmesbury area |
For me it's lest we forget the mistakes that led us to war, or forget the sheer horror of conflict and waste of life that results from it; because when we do forget these things, we'll make the same mistakes again and will happily blunder into yet another war, merrily chanting "it'll all be over by Christmas" - it never is. So no, don't forget! And make sure other don't, because you and your loved ones could become cannon fodder, thrown into the fight by thoughtless arrogant politicians, who never ever pick up a weapon and and never risk their own lives. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only. "
I agree with your sentiment in your opening line about a load of crap, except I would just apply it to this entire post.
Opinions are like arseholes, I could live very happily without seeing them all . |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
It is to remember those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, went off to war knowing they'd be unlikely to come home.
It's about remembering the lead up to what happened so we don't get there again.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *yron69Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
Some of us met those men. Young lives pushed aside for the call to arms. Have you ever seen an old man shuffle by still talking to those he left behind in the trenches?
Met a watchmaker who face was scarred by the tread of a panzer?
Met a Pole declared a German and sent to the hell of the Russian Front?
Met a man who survived 35 bomber flights over the Reich?
Forget? Never!!! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
From the British Legion Website ....
Remembrance does not glorify war and its symbol, the red poppy, is a sign of both Remembrance and hope for a peaceful future.
A hope for a peaceful future......... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only. "
OK I never normally indulge those with controversial opinions however in this case OP you have flicked a switch.
Fact check - making money from war - Britain only managed to repay the financial debt of WW2 until 31 Dec 2006 when we made our final repayment of £45.5million. Actually we had amassed a debt of £21billion as a result of fighting for the freedoms and protection of others.
The Suez crisis cause the economy to collapse
The Falklands conflict was a direct infringement of UK sovereign lands
And it isn't just the financial cost, the cost to life and the debt the rest of us should burden every day for those who laid down their lives for our liberties
Remembrance is a choice, you can choose not to remember it is not forced upon you. However I would politely request that should you do choose to not mark the day please keep your opinion to yourself.
Additionally please remember that the freedom you have today to express your opinion is as a direct a result of the millions of service personnel that have paid the ultimate sacrifice for you to have them! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *xelf787Man
over a year ago
Chorlton, Manchester |
"Yes it's your deluded opinion so keep it to yourself.
What you went on to say is right but it does not mean we cannot take one day to remember our fallen brothers/sisters. So never say rememberance day is crap.
I challenge you to go into a pub full of veterans and/or service personnel and say that!!
Why ? What would they do ?"
Show him the reason why they have earned the right to commerate remeberance day and send him off backpacking |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Yes it's your deluded opinion so keep it to yourself.
What you went on to say is right but it does not mean we cannot take one day to remember our fallen brothers/sisters. So never say rememberance day is crap.
I challenge you to go into a pub full of veterans and/or service personnel and say that!!
Why ? What would they do ?
Show him the reason why they have earned the right to commerate remeberance day and send him off backpacking "
How would they 'show him' ?
How would they send him off ?
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only.
As an ex serviceman myself who's father was at Dunkirk and whose Uncle was shot down and killed, I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself."
I couldn't agree more mate! Gen dit!. Being ex service myself (42 CDO RM) I can see the total lack of respect for those who have GIVEN their lives through CHOOSING to serve. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Remembrance Sunday used to mean something kind of pure out of the ugly of war. But its been weaponised by politicians and others with their own agendas.
Remember those who give their lives in the vain hope we'll some day move on from wars, conflict and inequality. But it should never be a day to glorify war or those who chose to wage it. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only. "
treating this with the contempt it deserves. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *xelf787Man
over a year ago
Chorlton, Manchester |
"Yes it's your deluded opinion so keep it to yourself.
What you went on to say is right but it does not mean we cannot take one day to remember our fallen brothers/sisters. So never say rememberance day is crap.
I challenge you to go into a pub full of veterans and/or service personnel and say that!!
Why ? What would they do ?
Show him the reason why they have earned the right to commerate remeberance day and send him off backpacking
How would they 'show him' ?
How would they send him off ?
"
By telling him of the fallen and what they sacrificed.
The last bit was a play on words which obviously want over your head |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Yes it's your deluded opinion so keep it to yourself.
What you went on to say is right but it does not mean we cannot take one day to remember our fallen brothers/sisters. So never say rememberance day is crap.
I challenge you to go into a pub full of veterans and/or service personnel and say that!!
Why ? What would they do ?
Show him the reason why they have earned the right to commerate remeberance day and send him off backpacking
How would they 'show him' ?
How would they send him off ?
By telling him of the fallen and what they sacrificed.
The last bit was a play on words which obviously want over your head"
It didn't go over my head. Quite the opposite.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *xelf787Man
over a year ago
Chorlton, Manchester |
"Yes it's your deluded opinion so keep it to yourself.
What you went on to say is right but it does not mean we cannot take one day to remember our fallen brothers/sisters. So never say rememberance day is crap.
I challenge you to go into a pub full of veterans and/or service personnel and say that!!
Why ? What would they do ?
Show him the reason why they have earned the right to commerate remeberance day and send him off backpacking
How would they 'show him' ?
How would they send him off ?
By telling him of the fallen and what they sacrificed.
The last bit was a play on words which obviously want over your head
It didn't go over my head. Quite the opposite.
"
Under you then??! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Also from the British Legion Website
Everyone is free to remember in their own way, or to choose not to remember at all. "
There's also the option of the white poppy. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
Did our fathers and forefathers not fight for the very right to have the freedom of opinion?
I may not agree with the OP, but I would always stand up for somebody's right to express an opinion, even if controversial.
I would not ridicule or attempt to bully them.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I agree, lost many friends in service and faulklands I will never forget the ones who. Lost there lives so we can be free, I miss them every year, so keep bad comments off here ???? "
I don't agree actually. I don't like what the OP said and don't agree with him.
I don't think the people that the very people that fought for our very freedoms would support people being told to keep quiet just because they say something others don't like. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only. "
I should have said in my earlier post, having seen first hand the devastation of war and that of oppressive regimes in both Iraq and Afghanistan coupled with having lost too many friends to these wars. A single day of remembering those is not enough!
Former RM |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I think I get what OP's saying, I think he just worded it in a way that opened the floodgates for everyone to pounce on him.
I take his point to be that people should remember more meaningfully, not less. That wearing a poppy isn't really cutting it if we don't take action the rest of the year so more people don't lose their lives on a government's whim.
I think symbols lose all meaning when they become compulsory (even in a de facto way) People should be free to remember and respect anyone they like in whichever manner fits them.
It can all get a bit dulce et decorum est when the language turns to serving the country and lumps all wars together, over just taking some time for reflection over the lives lost. And if we really want to respect the fallen, we'd listen when they called that a lie. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I think I get what OP's saying, I think he just worded it in a way that opened the floodgates for everyone to pounce on him.
I take his point to be that people should remember more meaningfully, not less. That wearing a poppy isn't really cutting it if we don't take action the rest of the year so more people don't lose their lives on a government's whim.
I think symbols lose all meaning when they become compulsory (even in a de facto way) People should be free to remember and respect anyone they like in whichever manner fits them.
It can all get a bit dulce et decorum est when the language turns to serving the country and lumps all wars together, over just taking some time for reflection over the lives lost. And if we really want to respect the fallen, we'd listen when they called that a lie. "
I think it depends on your reason for buying and wearing a poppy.
For me it's more about giving funds to the Royal British legion than an act of remembrance. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I think symbols lose all meaning when they become compulsory (even in a de facto way) People should be free to remember and respect anyone they like in whichever manner fits them.
It can all get a bit dulce et decorum est when the language turns to serving the country and lumps all wars together, over just taking some time for reflection over the lives lost. And if we really want to respect the fallen, we'd listen when they called that a lie. "
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
"I think I get what OP's saying, I think he just worded it in a way that opened the floodgates for everyone to pounce on him.
I take his point to be that people should remember more meaningfully, not less. That wearing a poppy isn't really cutting it if we don't take action the rest of the year so more people don't lose their lives on a government's whim.
I think symbols lose all meaning when they become compulsory (even in a de facto way) People should be free to remember and respect anyone they like in whichever manner fits them.
It can all get a bit dulce et decorum est when the language turns to serving the country and lumps all wars together, over just taking some time for reflection over the lives lost. And if we really want to respect the fallen, we'd listen when they called that a lie. "
Perfectly put. Time with the Forces I obviously heard more of the "dulce et decorum" than amongst civilians tbh.
And there should be no glorification of war ever. Just people being able to remember in their own way - or not as it may be the case. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *yron69Man
over a year ago
Fareham |
I don't think we could ever forget those Edwardian youths sacrificed in Flanders nor those who held Hitler's forces at bay. Or those killed in forgotten scuffles across the retreating empire. Those guys were often conscripted and not in it for imperial gain. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
The OP forgets the reason he is allowed to have his opinion and publicly state it is due to those gave their lives in the last world war in particular.
No harm will come from showing respect to those brave men and women whereas forgetting them detracts from humanity.
War in all its forms is utterly obscene but those who take the shilling and don the uniform deserve to be remembered and the upmost respect
My opinion. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I don't think we could ever forget those Edwardian youths sacrificed in Flanders nor those who held Hitler's forces at bay. Or those killed in forgotten scuffles across the retreating empire. Those guys were often conscripted and not in it for imperial gain."
Those guys and girls. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only.
OK I never normally indulge those with controversial opinions however in this case OP you have flicked a switch.
Fact check - making money from war - Britain only managed to repay the financial debt of WW2 until 31 Dec 2006 when we made our final repayment of £45.5million. Actually we had amassed a debt of £21billion as a result of fighting for the freedoms and protection of others.
The Suez crisis cause the economy to collapse
The Falklands conflict was a direct infringement of UK sovereign lands
And it isn't just the financial cost, the cost to life and the debt the rest of us should burden every day for those who laid down their lives for our liberties
Remembrance is a choice, you can choose not to remember it is not forced upon you. However I would politely request that should you do choose to not mark the day please keep your opinion to yourself.
Additionally please remember that the freedom you have today to express your opinion is as a direct a result of the millions of service personnel that have paid the ultimate sacrifice for you to have them! "
Can you clarify, you seem to be saying war is closing billions, but isn't for profit? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"To be honest I think it's all a load of crap! Lest We Forget? Forget what? The loss of life? The devastation to the planet? The families of the fallen?
Remembrance day was so we can remember those things and also remember it should NEVER happen again! But...
We should start forgetting I think as it seems like it just reminds them in power we need another war for something. They remember how much money they make from wars. They remember how much fear it puts on the public making them easier to control and impose new laws and regulations.
No, it's time we forget and move on with a better future. We should forget all the bad human kind has done and start thinking of more positive things. We the people CAN put a stop to ALL wars if we pull together and just say NO!
Like I said... My Opinion only.
OK I never normally indulge those with controversial opinions however in this case OP you have flicked a switch.
Fact check - making money from war - Britain only managed to repay the financial debt of WW2 until 31 Dec 2006 when we made our final repayment of £45.5million. Actually we had amassed a debt of £21billion as a result of fighting for the freedoms and protection of others.
The Suez crisis cause the economy to collapse
The Falklands conflict was a direct infringement of UK sovereign lands
And it isn't just the financial cost, the cost to life and the debt the rest of us should burden every day for those who laid down their lives for our liberties
Remembrance is a choice, you can choose not to remember it is not forced upon you. However I would politely request that should you do choose to not mark the day please keep your opinion to yourself.
Additionally please remember that the freedom you have today to express your opinion is as a direct a result of the millions of service personnel that have paid the ultimate sacrifice for you to have them!
Can you clarify, you seem to be saying war is closing billions, but isn't for profit?"
*Costing |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *obbfcMan
over a year ago
Livingston |
As an ex serviceman, a son of a serviceman, a nephew of a serviceman, a husband to a servicewoman and a brother to a serviceman. I can say I'm offended.
We need to remember those who lost their lives for us.
For Your Tomorrow, We Gave Our Today. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"As an ex serviceman, a son of a serviceman, a nephew of a serviceman, a husband to a servicewoman and a brother to a serviceman. I can say I'm offended.
We need to remember those who lost their lives for us.
For Your Tomorrow, We Gave Our Today. "
We are not ex US army. We had a friend from 2 para come to the states for training at bragg. One night we went out after training to eat. He was in his pcs mbt uniform he kept getting people thanking him for his service. He found it quite odd. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
OP, I think remembering is even more important now. We are seeing the playbook of the 30s repeated.
I observe the two minutes of silence, thank those who were not given the choice to lay down their lives, and those who understood and still went forward. Then I think about the reason for the White Poppy.
It's only about 100 years since the red poppy became the symbol, that's in touching distance for some of us oldies who will have family we can remember. The white poppy appeared about 90 years ago, remembering the civilians and the armed forces who lost their lives and advocating for peace.
I don't think the issue you raise is about remembrance, it is about the fact that we are silent for the rest of the year and that we don't speak up when we see the past being resurrected as a good thing.
It feels like I am quoting Pastor Niemöller's poem daily to someone.
Lest we forget.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I think we should always remember and respect the sacrifice of the lions led by donkeys the sheer madness of war...but they did what they had to do with courage and resolve...which is why we enjoy the luxury of the freedoms they fought for "
The 'Lions led by donkeys' thing is offensive regurgitated nonsense, and an insult to the soldiers they led as well as to officers. The casualty rate in war of officers has always been higher than among other ranks, and in the Great War there was actually a very high casualty rate among Generals. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Having served myself,I will disagree.
I'll disagree for my grandfathers,three uncles,both my father and mother,my brother and my two sons,one of whom is still active.
That being said,here in the States your freedom to let anything fall out of your mouth sewer is one of the protections we afford you to have and use.
Just know that anywhere around the world you may be met with far harsher words and actions and less understanding than I show.
Happy Armistice-Rememberance-Veterans Day to all veterans and currently active.
-M |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
It's a day to remember the bravery of those that gave us the freedom we have today.
I'm all for it and will never stop being greatful towards anyone that has or does fight for our freedom.
It's a shame there's people ungrateful like yourself in the world OP |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's a day to remember the bravery of those that gave us the freedom we have today.
I'm all for it and will never stop being greatful towards anyone that has or does fight for our freedom.
It's a shame there's people ungrateful like yourself in the world OP"
I think people should be respectful.
No wars that Britain has been involved in during my lifetime have been to do with freedom. Just money. It's the politicalisation of remembrance Day that people have issue with.
We can remember people who died respectfully without trying to justify UKs involvement in wars over the last 30-40 years. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *adCherriesCouple
over a year ago
Cheshire/Northwest |
"It's a day to remember the bravery of those that gave us the freedom we have today.
I'm all for it and will never stop being greatful towards anyone that has or does fight for our freedom.
It's a shame there's people ungrateful like yourself in the world OP"
Well said. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
