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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?"
I guess they are doing it because like the rest of the public sector they are fucked off with 10 years of austerity and the cost of living crisis has brought that to a head |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads! |
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"Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads! "
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We are heading towards a general strike. Too many people in the country are finding that, even when they are in full time employment, government policy is eroding the value of their income. People that previously were stretched but just about coping are now relying on charity just to stay alive. People that previously were coping and also able to afford a few luxuries, are now stretched and have lost the possibility of luxuries. And so on up the income ladder. Until you reach the ultra rich, who are now even more ultra rich than ever before.
This countries economic system has been damaged by many years of greedy and corrupt government. When people are hungry they take action. Selective strikes will give way to general strike action. General strike action will lead to mass protests. Mass protests will lead to violence. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?
I guess they are doing it because like the rest of the public sector they are fucked off with 10 years of austerity and the cost of living crisis has brought that to a head"
Yes and not just that, but with 12 years of the tories, have led up to this as well. |
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"Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads! "
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"Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads! "
Yeah that. |
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"Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads! "
Yeah, the last thing we need is people with a different opinion speaking up. Just give them whatever they ask for, there is an unlimited pot of money to dip into |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads! "
Absolute spot on |
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"Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads! "
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?"
Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000  |
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"Unfortunately, I doubt it would be successful. People just can't afford a sustained strike. And the government knows that."
If a general strike was well enough organised, it might not need to be sustained for long. The widespread disruption could force swifter change |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads!
Yeah, the last thing we need is people with a different opinion speaking up. Just give them whatever they ask for, there is an unlimited pot of money to dip into "
This is a very common attitude on here. If you have a different take on things you are ridiculed and mocked. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We have lived in a society for the last 20 years that has relied on credit with low interest rates.
All public sector workers can demand a pay rise however who is going to pay for this? We can't demand high public sector pay but low taxes plus everything else that everyone seems to want at the moment including sorting out the nhs. Hopefully the cost of living crisis is temporary as has been the case in the past and it's just something we have to ride out. |
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"We have lived in a society for the last 20 years that has relied on credit with low interest rates.
All public sector workers can demand a pay rise however who is going to pay for this? We can't demand high public sector pay but low taxes plus everything else that everyone seems to want at the moment including sorting out the nhs. Hopefully the cost of living crisis is temporary as has been the case in the past and it's just something we have to ride out. "
Is anyone demanding low taxes?
Also with the cost of living I’m no economist but I genuinely don’t see if getting much better. Typically once the prices of things go up, they very rarely come down. However I’m happy to be disproven on that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We have lived in a society for the last 20 years that has relied on credit with low interest rates.
All public sector workers can demand a pay rise however who is going to pay for this? We can't demand high public sector pay but low taxes plus everything else that everyone seems to want at the moment including sorting out the nhs. Hopefully the cost of living crisis is temporary as has been the case in the past and it's just something we have to ride out.
Is anyone demanding low taxes?
Also with the cost of living I’m no economist but I genuinely don’t see if getting much better. Typically once the prices of things go up, they very rarely come down. However I’m happy to be disproven on that. "
Put everyone's taxes up to pay for the pay increases and I'm very sure you will start seeing people demanding lower taxes. |
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Put everyone's taxes up to pay for the pay increases and I'm very sure you will start seeing people demanding lower taxes. "
Or make it proportional...increase the taxes of those who can most afford it. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
Titz Towers, North Notts |
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Put everyone's taxes up to pay for the pay increases and I'm very sure you will start seeing people demanding lower taxes.
Or make it proportional...increase the taxes of those who can most afford it."
Tackle abuses like dubious non-doms, profits that are artificially shifted offshore to a tax haven, shell companies and the like  |
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"Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads! "
That'll be the same peeps that were our giving claps for front line workers every week during the lockdown right?
Actually got nothing against those who were out clapping by wonder why they're not the first to be out on the streets supporting the right of these workers to fair pay and conditions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Oddly enough no one refuses to pay increased prices whichbfund pay rises in the private sector.
Aldi now pay more than many departments in the civil service at the 2 lowest grades. Which will make up the majority of the contact with the public.
You can see whats going to happen. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads! "
Some of them are on here. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
To paraphrase Ben Elton. A female blonde haired Tory MP, a winter of strikes and discontent, the pound crashing, people losing jobs and facing financial ruin en masse, it's like we've been here before.
Sadly, he was right, history does repeat itself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I might be in the minority here but as a public sector worker, I don’t really believe it to be about “more pay”. I think a lot of people believe that an increase in pay will just make the job more bearable but won’t fix the problems, certainly in my sector .
For me, I would happily be paid the same if I felt that my desire to help people wasn’t being leveraged against me all the time. Every time another thing is added to my workload, another break is worked through, the attitude is always “but if you didn’t XYZ would be punished”. Guilt is laid on thick. People who leave work on time are vilified and criticised. People who refuse to do work above and beyond their pay scale are bullied or kept back in performance reviews for not doing enough.
That’s what keeps me up at night. And no extra money can fix that. |
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What do strikes actually achieve?
The staff make a point but lose money, the last lot of strike pay I got was not worth it.
I do understand there is a need for them, I also back them. Surely there must be another way. |
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From what I can gather, it’s PCS that are striking, or at least it’s only there banner I’ve seen on posters about it.
I’m a union rep and my union isn’t striking.
I’m no expert on the economy, but won’t giving all these people spay rise cause higher inflation? |
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"From what I can gather, it’s PCS that are striking, or at least it’s only there banner I’ve seen on posters about it.
I’m a union rep and my union isn’t striking.
I’m no expert on the economy, but won’t giving all these people spay rise cause higher inflation?"
Someone should tell MPs to stop awarding themselves 11% payrises then. Obviously we don't want them to be splashing the cash out in the shops, eh? When will MPs accept a 2 or 3% rise? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"From what I can gather, it’s PCS that are striking, or at least it’s only there banner I’ve seen on posters about it.
I’m a union rep and my union isn’t striking.
I’m no expert on the economy, but won’t giving all these people spay rise cause higher inflation?
Someone should tell MPs to stop awarding themselves 11% payrises then. Obviously we don't want them to be splashing the cash out in the shops, eh? When will MPs accept a 2 or 3% rise? "
They don't award themselves though it is an independent body. |
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"From what I can gather, it’s PCS that are striking, or at least it’s only there banner I’ve seen on posters about it.
I’m a union rep and my union isn’t striking.
I’m no expert on the economy, but won’t giving all these people spay rise cause higher inflation?
Someone should tell MPs to stop awarding themselves 11% payrises then. Obviously we don't want them to be splashing the cash out in the shops, eh? When will MPs accept a 2 or 3% rise?
They don't award themselves though it is an independent body. "
They vote whether to accept it. They could vote not to accept it. And if a so-called independent pay review board thinks 11% is appropriate for MPs, why is it not okay for other publicly funded roles? That's what I'd like to know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"From what I can gather, it’s PCS that are striking, or at least it’s only there banner I’ve seen on posters about it.
I’m a union rep and my union isn’t striking.
I’m no expert on the economy, but won’t giving all these people spay rise cause higher inflation?
Someone should tell MPs to stop awarding themselves 11% payrises then. Obviously we don't want them to be splashing the cash out in the shops, eh? When will MPs accept a 2 or 3% rise?
They don't award themselves though it is an independent body.
They vote whether to accept it. They could vote not to accept it. And if a so-called independent pay review board thinks 11% is appropriate for MPs, why is it not okay for other publicly funded roles? That's what I'd like to know. "
They have rejected pay increases in the past. |
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The IPSA board must consist of one former MP, so that's immediately not completely independent. Former MPs are married to current ones in some examples and they have all sorts of vested interests. |
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In my 23 yrs as a civil servant I have had possibly 15% pay rise combined.
Meanwhile my retirement age has been extended, my pension switched to a far less favourable one and my work conditions are atrocious.
Management are bullies and liars.
I told a friend today that I am leaving. Had enough. |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000 "
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We are heading towards a general strike. Too many people in the country are finding that, even when they are in full time employment, government policy is eroding the value of their income. People that previously were stretched but just about coping are now relying on charity just to stay alive. People that previously were coping and also able to afford a few luxuries, are now stretched and have lost the possibility of luxuries. And so on up the income ladder. Until you reach the ultra rich, who are now even more ultra rich than ever before.
This countries economic system has been damaged by many years of greedy and corrupt government. When people are hungry they take action. Selective strikes will give way to general strike action. General strike action will lead to mass protests. Mass protests will lead to violence."
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"From what I can gather, it’s PCS that are striking, or at least it’s only there banner I’ve seen on posters about it.
I’m a union rep and my union isn’t striking.
I’m no expert on the economy, but won’t giving all these people spay rise cause higher inflation?
Someone should tell MPs to stop awarding themselves 11% payrises then. Obviously we don't want them to be splashing the cash out in the shops, eh? When will MPs accept a 2 or 3% rise? "
Probably when people realize that in the end of the day we are responsible for the politicians and politics in this country , they are there because they have win elections with our votes to implement the mandate we have supported |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"From what I can gather, it’s PCS that are striking, or at least it’s only there banner I’ve seen on posters about it.
I’m a union rep and my union isn’t striking.
I’m no expert on the economy, but won’t giving all these people spay rise cause higher inflation?
Someone should tell MPs to stop awarding themselves 11% payrises then. Obviously we don't want them to be splashing the cash out in the shops, eh? When will MPs accept a 2 or 3% rise?
Probably when people realize that in the end of the day we are responsible for the politicians and politics in this country , they are there because they have win elections with our votes to implement the mandate we have supported "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We had a sort of national strike recently during lockdown.
We got through it ok.
How much will cutting MPs pay come to? Why not cut the number of MPs in half? Do we really need 650? Plus the national assemblies.
France and Germany have less than 600. |
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"We had a sort of national strike recently during lockdown.
We got through it ok.
How much will cutting MPs pay come to? Why not cut the number of MPs in half? Do we really need 650? Plus the national assemblies.
France and Germany have less than 600."
Because politics and politicians are the best scam ever invented |
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"We have lived in a society for the last 20 years that has relied on credit with low interest rates.
All public sector workers can demand a pay rise however who is going to pay for this? We can't demand high public sector pay but low taxes plus everything else that everyone seems to want at the moment including sorting out the nhs. Hopefully the cost of living crisis is temporary as has been the case in the past and it's just something we have to ride out.
Is anyone demanding low taxes?
Also with the cost of living I’m no economist but I genuinely don’t see if getting much better. Typically once the prices of things go up, they very rarely come down. However I’m happy to be disproven on that. "
You only have to look at the last time petrol went up in the late 80's early 90's. It didn't come back down, everyone was conditioned to pay the price! |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables "
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage! |
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over a year ago
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!"
It's an hourly rate and a legal requirement so no one in any circumstances should be below NMW |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!"
Even part time workers have to be paid the national minimum wage. |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!"
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage? |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage? "
The answer is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week, assuming the person is over 23yrs. |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
Peterborough |
"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage?
The answer is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week, assuming the person is over 23yrs. "
Journalists talk about average wage, but never compare it with minimum at the same time. |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage?
The answer is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week, assuming the person is over 23yrs.
Journalists talk about average wage, but never compare it with minimum at the same time."
So if nat minimum wage is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week and most nurses work more than 40hrs a week for a starting salary of £27k, do we think they are paid enough? |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage?
The answer is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week, assuming the person is over 23yrs.
Journalists talk about average wage, but never compare it with minimum at the same time.
So if nat minimum wage is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week and most nurses work more than 40hrs a week for a starting salary of £27k, do we think they are paid enough? "
If they are working over 40hrs a week they will be earning over £27k
And of course it's not good enough, but there are lots of people worse off.
I hope they get what they want and it will bring up the rates of pay in general.
Obviously we will all have to pay more taxes but so be it. |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
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"I might be in the minority here but as a public sector worker, I don’t really believe it to be about “more pay”. I think a lot of people believe that an increase in pay will just make the job more bearable but won’t fix the problems, certainly in my sector .
For me, I would happily be paid the same if I felt that my desire to help people wasn’t being leveraged against me all the time. Every time another thing is added to my workload, another break is worked through, the attitude is always “but if you didn’t XYZ would be punished”. Guilt is laid on thick. People who leave work on time are vilified and criticised. People who refuse to do work above and beyond their pay scale are bullied or kept back in performance reviews for not doing enough.
That’s what keeps me up at night. And no extra money can fix that. "
exactly they've still got to go to work, same routine |
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"Inflation on this scale isn't caused by raising people's wages. Inflation is at 10% because of the cost of oil and gas, and the fact everything is depressingly still reliant on them."
But what happens when inflation goes down will people get a pay cut? |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Cue a bunch of people moaning about public sector workers and how they shouldn’t be getting a decent payrise, taxpayer money etc
Then in another thread same people moaning about the degradation of public services and failing to make the link between poor pay, demotivated staff and staff shortages (due to low pay).
Never the twain shall meet in their heads!
Quite "
And another about how we’re one of the highest taxed countries yet services are so bad compared to other countries. Maybe not but there should be , it’s a complete failure of governments for the last 20 or so years.
Every single month we give half our money to them? Where does it all go |
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Actually got nothing against those who were out clapping by wonder why they're not the first to be out on the streets supporting the right of these workers to fair pay and conditions. "
Because there is a big difference between virtue signalling and actually doing something. |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage?
The answer is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week, assuming the person is over 23yrs.
Journalists talk about average wage, but never compare it with minimum at the same time.
So if nat minimum wage is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week and most nurses work more than 40hrs a week for a starting salary of £27k, do we think they are paid enough?
If they are working over 40hrs a week they will be earning over £27k
And of course it's not good enough, but there are lots of people worse off.
I hope they get what they want and it will bring up the rates of pay in general.
Obviously we will all have to pay more taxes but so be it."
Nurses generally do 12hr shifts - assuming they do 4-5 12hr shifts a week, that's 48-60hrs and they are salaried, not paid by the hour. I imagine most nurses do more than 40hr a week for the £27k salary.
Also, not everyone gets paid overtime if they do it. I know I don't. |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage?
The answer is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week, assuming the person is over 23yrs.
Journalists talk about average wage, but never compare it with minimum at the same time.
So if nat minimum wage is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week and most nurses work more than 40hrs a week for a starting salary of £27k, do we think they are paid enough? "
I would say to be more precisely minimum annual income for someone
on minimum wage is arround £18.525k what is £8475k less than someone who wins £27k a year. If is dificult to live with £27k a year imagine how is for someone who survives with £18.525k. Worst yet imagine all the people who lives alone and they pay their bills, food etc as everybody else , not a really nice scenario right in this dificult time . That's why i don't support what is happening because asking for a 17% salary increase is unfair to the ones who most suffer in this country and they are the ones in the end who will end up pay that bill. The reality
is that majority of the population in this country only wins the minimum wage and not what many they assume £27k a year |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage?
The answer is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week, assuming the person is over 23yrs.
Journalists talk about average wage, but never compare it with minimum at the same time.
So if nat minimum wage is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week and most nurses work more than 40hrs a week for a starting salary of £27k, do we think they are paid enough?
If they are working over 40hrs a week they will be earning over £27k
And of course it's not good enough, but there are lots of people worse off.
I hope they get what they want and it will bring up the rates of pay in general.
Obviously we will all have to pay more taxes but so be it.
Nurses generally do 12hr shifts - assuming they do 4-5 12hr shifts a week, that's 48-60hrs and they are salaried, not paid by the hour. I imagine most nurses do more than 40hr a week for the £27k salary.
Also, not everyone gets paid overtime if they do it. I know I don't."
£27k on a 60 hour week is £8.65/HR. Less than nmw and therefore illegal.
I'm sure that's not happening.
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage?
The answer is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week, assuming the person is over 23yrs.
Journalists talk about average wage, but never compare it with minimum at the same time.
So if nat minimum wage is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week and most nurses work more than 40hrs a week for a starting salary of £27k, do we think they are paid enough?
If they are working over 40hrs a week they will be earning over £27k
And of course it's not good enough, but there are lots of people worse off.
I hope they get what they want and it will bring up the rates of pay in general.
Obviously we will all have to pay more taxes but so be it.
Nurses generally do 12hr shifts - assuming they do 4-5 12hr shifts a week, that's 48-60hrs and they are salaried, not paid by the hour. I imagine most nurses do more than 40hr a week for the £27k salary.
Also, not everyone gets paid overtime if they do it. I know I don't.
£27k on a 60 hour week is £8.65/HR. Less than nmw and therefore illegal.
I'm sure that's not happening.
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Defenitly is not happening , that's out of really and context |
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"I might be in the minority here but as a public sector worker, I don’t really believe it to be about “more pay”. I think a lot of people believe that an increase in pay will just make the job more bearable but won’t fix the problems, certainly in my sector .
For me, I would happily be paid the same if I felt that my desire to help people wasn’t being leveraged against me all the time. Every time another thing is added to my workload, another break is worked through, the attitude is always “but if you didn’t XYZ would be punished”. Guilt is laid on thick. People who leave work on time are vilified and criticised. People who refuse to do work above and beyond their pay scale are bullied or kept back in performance reviews for not doing enough.
That’s what keeps me up at night. And no extra money can fix that. "
This is the most honest thing I've read on this thread x |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage?
The answer is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week, assuming the person is over 23yrs.
Journalists talk about average wage, but never compare it with minimum at the same time.
So if nat minimum wage is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week and most nurses work more than 40hrs a week for a starting salary of £27k, do we think they are paid enough?
If they are working over 40hrs a week they will be earning over £27k
And of course it's not good enough, but there are lots of people worse off.
I hope they get what they want and it will bring up the rates of pay in general.
Obviously we will all have to pay more taxes but so be it.
Nurses generally do 12hr shifts - assuming they do 4-5 12hr shifts a week, that's 48-60hrs and they are salaried, not paid by the hour. I imagine most nurses do more than 40hr a week for the £27k salary.
Also, not everyone gets paid overtime if they do it. I know I don't.
£27k on a 60 hour week is £8.65/HR. Less than nmw and therefore illegal.
I'm sure that's not happening.
"
I'd hope not. It's pretty common for nurses to work 12 or 12.5hr shifts, they do at the hospitals round here anyway. But if they work 4 12.5hr shifts a week, that's 50hrs. Do they do 3 shifts a week (37.5hrs)? I genuinely don't know the answer to that. |
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I'm finding this perverse. The hapless taxpayer funded the country to survive a pandemic, and workers show their appreciation by going on strike. It was inevitable to have some form of belt-tightening after Covid. |
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"Oddly enough no one refuses to pay increased prices whichbfund pay rises in the private sector.
Aldi now pay more than many departments in the civil service at the 2 lowest grades. Which will make up the majority of the contact with the public.
You can see whats going to happen."
See what's going to happen.....do you mean Aldi will take over the civil service.  |
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"Apparently a national civil servant strike is looming as 100 000 vote for industrial action, why do you think they are doing it, is it because of pay?
The union warned that unless it receives “substantial proposals” from the government, it will announce a programme of “sustained industrial action” on november 18.
How big do you think this strike will be and who will be affected?Everything's about money and if you can't afford to live with everything has going up recently fuel especially and we all need it to get around, then theirs the indoor energy costs all significantly higher but no wage rises, I'm not surprised everyone's getting angry they say the average wage in the UK is £38,131 but how many people do you know who are on an average wage my last girlfriend was bringing herself and her daughter up on £16,000
That's why i don't support what is happening , if people who are going on strike they can't live with 27k a year , they have no idea what people who lives with 16k a year are suffering as they even can afford go on strike because they know doing it , it means no food in their tables
Unless working part time no one should be below the national minimum wage!
What is the annual income of a person who wins minimum wage?
The answer is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week, assuming the person is over 23yrs.
Journalists talk about average wage, but never compare it with minimum at the same time.
So if nat minimum wage is just short of £20k for a 40hr working week and most nurses work more than 40hrs a week for a starting salary of £27k, do we think they are paid enough?
If they are working over 40hrs a week they will be earning over £27k
And of course it's not good enough, but there are lots of people worse off.
I hope they get what they want and it will bring up the rates of pay in general.
Obviously we will all have to pay more taxes but so be it.
Nurses generally do 12hr shifts - assuming they do 4-5 12hr shifts a week, that's 48-60hrs and they are salaried, not paid by the hour. I imagine most nurses do more than 40hr a week for the £27k salary.
Also, not everyone gets paid overtime if they do it. I know I don't.
£27k on a 60 hour week is £8.65/HR. Less than nmw and therefore illegal.
I'm sure that's not happening.
I'd hope not. It's pretty common for nurses to work 12 or 12.5hr shifts, they do at the hospitals round here anyway. But if they work 4 12.5hr shifts a week, that's 50hrs. Do they do 3 shifts a week (37.5hrs)? I genuinely don't know the answer to that."
Many nurses go in or leave work later than the shift time. They reckon that there are nurses who are staying late or arriving early basically working an extra shift for nothing (pay wise). Trusts have stopped overtime in many areas so if you work an extra day you get paid extra hours at the basic rate, whether it's a weekend or night hours. Yes you get the enhancements for unsocial hours. |
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"From what I can gather, it’s PCS that are striking, or at least it’s only there banner I’ve seen on posters about it.
I’m a union rep and my union isn’t striking.
I’m no expert on the economy, but won’t giving all these people spay rise cause higher inflation?
Someone should tell MPs to stop awarding themselves 11% payrises then. Obviously we don't want them to be splashing the cash out in the shops, eh? When will MPs accept a 2 or 3% rise?
They don't award themselves though it is an independent body. "
The independant body doesnt award it. Its only a reccomendation. The MPs have the right to award a lower rise to themselves
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"Inflation on this scale isn't caused by raising people's wages. Inflation is at 10% because of the cost of oil and gas, and the fact everything is depressingly still reliant on them.
But what happens when inflation goes down will people get a pay cut? "
Inflation going down does not decrease prices... they are just going up slower
You would need deflation for prices to down (negative inflation) but thisbhasnonly happened once since the start of the second world war.
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