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"there is an intersting debate about this on the 'jeremy vine' show on radio 2 a day ago one homeless guy rang in and stated that he 'earns' on average £150 a week begging on the streets and has no desire to go into housing. A point was raised that some people wud rather buy such people a cup of tea and a sandwich and he objected to this as he wud rather choose how to spend his own money " I have had this conversation with various rough sleepers over the years. I always tell them that I don't have cash to give them but I will buy them anything they fancy to eat using my card. London now has a rough sleepers hotline as part of the "No Second Night Out" campaign. | |||
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"there is an intersting debate about this on the 'jeremy vine' show on radio 2 a day ago one homeless guy rang in and stated that he 'earns' on average £150 a week begging on the streets and has no desire to go into housing. A point was raised that some people wud rather buy such people a cup of tea and a sandwich and he objected to this as he wud rather choose how to spend his own money I have had this conversation with various rough sleepers over the years. I always tell them that I don't have cash to give them but I will buy them anything they fancy to eat using my card. London now has a rough sleepers hotline as part of the "No Second Night Out" campaign." which will soon fail...because of government cuts... | |||
"£150 is nothing really - couldn't live on it let alone rent a flat. " correct .. sadly some people on the minimum wage do a 37 hour week and take home £180 a week | |||
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"Investing in new social housing would ease the shortage and boost the construction. But that goes against the grain of Tories who sold off the stock in the first place and see housing as a commodity in the market rather than a basic necessity of every citizen." And yet all the experts state investment in the infrastructure will boost the economy. The government needs to make money available to Social Landlords (be they Housing Associations or Local Authorities) to build more homes. | |||
"Its Going to Get Interesting !!! next year - the goverment are planning on giving Junkies and alcoholics and the likes .. wait for it.. The Housing benefit Money.. - but - they have to pay their own rent !! How many more evictions will occur due to people blowing their rent money on booze and drugs.. its almost like a version of social cleansing.. "Housing benefit will be paid direct, if the claimant falls into arrears the benefit will be paid direct to the landlord for a period of time before reverting to direct payments again. I this a possible attempt at avoiding evictions through non-payment! | |||
"Investing in new social housing would ease the shortage and boost the construction. But that goes against the grain of Tories who sold off the stock in the first place and see housing as a commodity in the market rather than a basic necessity of every citizen. And yet all the experts state investment in the infrastructure will boost the economy. The government needs to make money available to Social Landlords (be they Housing Associations or Local Authorities) to build more homes." I agree. I haven't seen any wholly social developments and creating a good stock of mixed tenure housing would meet lots of needs. | |||
"Investing in new social housing would ease the shortage and boost the construction. But that goes against the grain of Tories who sold off the stock in the first place and see housing as a commodity in the market rather than a basic necessity of every citizen. And yet all the experts state investment in the infrastructure will boost the economy. The government needs to make money available to Social Landlords (be they Housing Associations or Local Authorities) to build more homes." they want to build new housing but not give the money to councils to do the work .they want to gve the money to private comanies who only want to build large executive properties with large profit margins not the social type housing that id needed welcome to vict... sorry tory brittain just waiting for the workhouses to reopen | |||
"they want to build new housing but not give the money to councils" 
With all due respect I would rather the money went to Housing Associations who do a better job if building communities and maintaining stock then any council ever has | |||
"they want to build new housing but not give the money to councils
With all due respect I would rather the money went to Housing Associations who do a better job if building communities and maintaining stock then any council ever has "Yes that is true but its down to the council to assess and possibly house those who are homeless from the RSL tenancy.. | |||
"Its Going to Get Interesting !!! next year - the goverment are planning on giving Junkies and alcoholics and the likes .. wait for it.. The Housing benefit Money.. - but - they have to pay their own rent !! How many more evictions will occur due to people blowing their rent money on booze and drugs.. its almost like a version of social cleansing..
Housing benefit will be paid direct, if the claimant falls into arrears the benefit will be paid direct to the landlord for a period of time before reverting to direct payments again. I this a possible attempt at avoiding evictions through non-payment! "as a landlord im very up to date with the changes that are occuring and in my opinion they are not moving forward ive always allowed DSS however i will not be allowing them in the future as the housing benefit can be paid directly to them .. if they dont pay their rent and have signed a 6 month contract u have to go to court to evict them and it takes 3 months and whilst they have got a contract u have no rights of entry to ur own property even if u can see it is being neglected | |||
"Its Going to Get Interesting !!! next year - the goverment are planning on giving Junkies and alcoholics and the likes .. wait for it.. The Housing benefit Money.. - but - they have to pay their own rent !! How many more evictions will occur due to people blowing their rent money on booze and drugs.. its almost like a version of social cleansing..
Housing benefit will be paid direct, if the claimant falls into arrears the benefit will be paid direct to the landlord for a period of time before reverting to direct payments again. I this a possible attempt at avoiding evictions through non-payment!
as a landlord im very up to date with the changes that are occuring and in my opinion they are not moving forward
ive always allowed DSS however i will not be allowing them in the future as the housing benefit can be paid directly to them .. if they dont pay their rent and have signed a 6 month contract u have to go to court to evict them and it takes 3 months and whilst they have got a contract u have no rights of entry to ur own property even if u can see it is being neglected "Maybe but you can say the same for those who are working they may not pay the rent... | |||
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" Yes that is true but its down to the council to assess and possibly house those who are homeless from the RSL tenancy.. " HA's in Scotland (sure the same is true in England) are legally bound to house those who are homeless. In my own local authority the HA's house one from from their own list and then one from the LA's list. Regardless of who is managing the lists the government is making it harder for any affordable housing provider to build, without more properties the housing crisis will never be resolved  | |||
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"Its Going to Get Interesting !!! next year - the goverment are planning on giving Junkies and alcoholics and the likes .. wait for it.. The Housing benefit Money.. - but - they have to pay their own rent !! How many more evictions will occur due to people blowing their rent money on booze and drugs.. its almost like a version of social cleansing..
Housing benefit will be paid direct, if the claimant falls into arrears the benefit will be paid direct to the landlord for a period of time before reverting to direct payments again. I this a possible attempt at avoiding evictions through non-payment!
as a landlord im very up to date with the changes that are occuring and in my opinion they are not moving forward
ive always allowed DSS however i will not be allowing them in the future as the housing benefit can be paid directly to them .. if they dont pay their rent and have signed a 6 month contract u have to go to court to evict them and it takes 3 months and whilst they have got a contract u have no rights of entry to ur own property even if u can see it is being neglected
Maybe but you can say the same for those who are working they may not pay the rent..." | |||
" Maybe but you can say the same for those who are working they may not pay the rent..." yes i can .. had a guy from the RAF sign a 6 month contract and change his mind after 3 weeks .. i claimed the rent back from the RAF | |||
" Maybe but you can say the same for those who are working they may not pay the rent... yes i can .. had a guy from the RAF sign a 6 month contract and change his mind after 3 weeks .. i claimed the rent back from the RAF " Yes but the next person may not be in the RAF.. you can ask for references or a deposit does not mean they are going to be good tenants.. You may rent to a family that are on benefits and treat your property like a palace.. Please don't think everyone on benefits are the scum on the earth.. The HB will step in if they see the rent is not being paid and will take action.. Who is there to take action in regards to working households who are refusing to pay the rent.. bar issuing a sec 21 and waiting 2 months to then go to court to get the eviction date.. | |||
"Ok so I am a little late... private landlords have now been mentioned. And to say I am further disheartened is something of an understatement. I'm no longer a well brought up, educated and capable person, who treats the property of others as well as her own, and who has never left a rented property in less good condition than at the start of the tenancy (and usually leaves them much cleaner), I'm just a Benefit claimant. I'm lumped together with all the rest and am not worth anyone giving a chance to. My neighbours here, in the temporary accommodation are scum. The way they live is disgusting. I wouldn't want to rent property to them. To be considered as the same... there aren't words." Keep fighting. | |||
" Yes that is true but its down to the council to assess and possibly house those who are homeless from the RSL tenancy.. HA's in Scotland (sure the same is true in England) are legally bound to house those who are homeless. In my own local authority the HA's house one from from their own list and then one from the LA's list. Regardless of who is managing the lists the government is making it harder for any affordable housing provider to build, without more properties the housing crisis will never be resolved "Whilst at the same time the Housing Action Grant (HAG), the amount funded by the Scottish Executive via local authorities to fill the shortfall between Housing Association money and the actual cost of new build has been cut from c£60,000/ home to a target of c£46,000/ home. | |||
" Yes that is true but its down to the council to assess and possibly house those who are homeless from the RSL tenancy.. HA's in Scotland (sure the same is true in England) are legally bound to house those who are homeless. In my own local authority the HA's house one from from their own list and then one from the LA's list. Regardless of who is managing the lists the government is making it harder for any affordable housing provider to build, without more properties the housing crisis will never be resolved "Yes I know there are in allocation procedures but what I mean is that the RSL's are not that proactive in moving their own tenants for example due to DV or overcrowding and simply tell them to present as homeless... | |||
" Yes but the next person may not be in the RAF.. you can ask for references or a deposit does not mean they are going to be good tenants.. You may rent to a family that are on benefits and treat your property like a palace.. Please don't think everyone on benefits are the scum on the earth.. The HB will step in if they see the rent is not being paid and will take action.. Who is there to take action in regards to working households who are refusing to pay the rent.. bar issuing a sec 21 and waiting 2 months to then go to court to get the eviction date.. " i have been a landlord of a few properties for 13 years and i was until recently the biggest fan of DSS so please dont assume i judge people. However the tables have turned in such a way with new legislation that alot of landlords like me will move to the private sector .. sad but true | |||
" Yes that is true but its down to the council to assess and possibly house those who are homeless from the RSL tenancy.. HA's in Scotland (sure the same is true in England) are legally bound to house those who are homeless. In my own local authority the HA's house one from from their own list and then one from the LA's list. Regardless of who is managing the lists the government is making it harder for any affordable housing provider to build, without more properties the housing crisis will never be resolved
Yes I know there are in allocation procedures but what I mean is that the RSL's are not that proactive in moving their own tenants for example due to DV or overcrowding and simply tell them to present as homeless..."Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that. | |||
" Yes but the next person may not be in the RAF.. you can ask for references or a deposit does not mean they are going to be good tenants.. You may rent to a family that are on benefits and treat your property like a palace.. Please don't think everyone on benefits are the scum on the earth.. The HB will step in if they see the rent is not being paid and will take action.. Who is there to take action in regards to working households who are refusing to pay the rent.. bar issuing a sec 21 and waiting 2 months to then go to court to get the eviction date.. i have been a landlord of a few properties for 13 years and i was until recently the biggest fan of DSS so please dont assume i judge people. However the tables have turned in such a way with new legislation that alot of landlords like me will move to the private sector .. sad but true " No I was not judging I was ust saying that don't pull out as there are so many homeless families that are struggling to gain housing.. however its your house etc and do understand where you are coming from.. | |||
"Ok so I am a little late... private landlords have now been mentioned. And to say I am further disheartened is something of an understatement. I'm no longer a well brought up, educated and capable person, who treats the property of others as well as her own, and who has never left a rented property in less good condition than at the start of the tenancy (and usually leaves them much cleaner), I'm just a Benefit claimant. I'm lumped together with all the rest and am not worth anyone giving a chance to. My neighbours here, in the temporary accommodation are scum. The way they live is disgusting. I wouldn't want to rent property to them. To be considered as the same... there aren't words. Keep fighting." I'm wondering what the fucking point is, right now. There's only so long a decent person can put up with being treated as, and considered as scum. | |||
" Yes that is true but its down to the council to assess and possibly house those who are homeless from the RSL tenancy.. HA's in Scotland (sure the same is true in England) are legally bound to house those who are homeless. In my own local authority the HA's house one from from their own list and then one from the LA's list. Regardless of who is managing the lists the government is making it harder for any affordable housing provider to build, without more properties the housing crisis will never be resolved
Yes I know there are in allocation procedures but what I mean is that the RSL's are not that proactive in moving their own tenants for example due to DV or overcrowding and simply tell them to present as homeless...
Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that."True..... I have sat in many a meeting discussing it...  | |||
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"Ok so I am a little late... private landlords have now been mentioned. And to say I am further disheartened is something of an understatement. I'm no longer a well brought up, educated and capable person, who treats the property of others as well as her own, and who has never left a rented property in less good condition than at the start of the tenancy (and usually leaves them much cleaner), I'm just a Benefit claimant. I'm lumped together with all the rest and am not worth anyone giving a chance to. My neighbours here, in the temporary accommodation are scum. The way they live is disgusting. I wouldn't want to rent property to them. To be considered as the same... there aren't words. Keep fighting. I'm wondering what the fucking point is, right now. There's only so long a decent person can put up with being treated as, and considered as scum." And apparently, other than your comment Lickety, I'm invisible here too. That's me folks, completely unimportant scum. Feel free to just ignore me. Try not to dirty your shoes if you tread on me. | |||
"so all in all there was Nothing wrong with Paying Housing Benefits - Directly to the Landlord.. )" im a member of numerous landlord association websites and we follow all the current legislation as it changes quicker than my hair colours .. lol however this one is just beyond the realms of most and the rats are leaving a sinking ship .. no one is gonna go with this !! | |||
"Ok so I am a little late... private landlords have now been mentioned. And to say I am further disheartened is something of an understatement. I'm no longer a well brought up, educated and capable person, who treats the property of others as well as her own, and who has never left a rented property in less good condition than at the start of the tenancy (and usually leaves them much cleaner), I'm just a Benefit claimant. I'm lumped together with all the rest and am not worth anyone giving a chance to. My neighbours here, in the temporary accommodation are scum. The way they live is disgusting. I wouldn't want to rent property to them. To be considered as the same... there aren't words. Keep fighting. I'm wondering what the fucking point is, right now. There's only so long a decent person can put up with being treated as, and considered as scum. And apparently, other than your comment Lickety, I'm invisible here too. That's me folks, completely unimportant scum. Feel free to just ignore me. Try not to dirty your shoes if you tread on me." Don't say that you are in a situation that will get better.. | |||
" Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that. True..... I have sat in many a meeting discussing it... "It may very well be there are actually almost enough rentable houses and flats to accommodate the entire homeless population of the country were it not for the fact there are too many single people living in 2 or 3 or more bedroom flats which they don't actually need. | |||
"Ok so I am a little late... private landlords have now been mentioned. And to say I am further disheartened is something of an understatement. I'm no longer a well brought up, educated and capable person, who treats the property of others as well as her own, and who has never left a rented property in less good condition than at the start of the tenancy (and usually leaves them much cleaner), I'm just a Benefit claimant. I'm lumped together with all the rest and am not worth anyone giving a chance to. My neighbours here, in the temporary accommodation are scum. The way they live is disgusting. I wouldn't want to rent property to them. To be considered as the same... there aren't words. Keep fighting. I'm wondering what the fucking point is, right now. There's only so long a decent person can put up with being treated as, and considered as scum. And apparently, other than your comment Lickety, I'm invisible here too. That's me folks, completely unimportant scum. Feel free to just ignore me. Try not to dirty your shoes if you tread on me." I don't think it's that at all. Rather, your post is showing how much pain you are in that it difficult to respond directly to that. The rest of the debate is largely about the development investment and changes to the procedures we are about to face. You are not invisible. | |||
" Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that. True..... I have sat in many a meeting discussing it...
It may very well be there are actually almost enough rentable houses and flats to accommodate the entire homeless population of the country were it not for the fact there are too many single people living in 2 or 3 or more bedroom flats which they don't actually need."Well I am sure that once £10 per room comes in they will think about "downgrading" | |||
" .........It may very well be there are actually almost enough rentable houses and flats to accommodate the entire homeless population of the country were it not for the fact there are too many single people living in 2 or 3 or more bedroom flats which they don't actually need. Well I am sure that once £10 per room comes in they will think about "downgrading"" I dunno about the £10. I believe it's c 14%. | |||
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" Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that. True..... I have sat in many a meeting discussing it...
It may very well be there are actually almost enough rentable houses and flats to accommodate the entire homeless population of the country were it not for the fact there are too many single people living in 2 or 3 or more bedroom flats which they don't actually need.
Well I am sure that once £10 per room comes in they will think about "downgrading""Downgrade to what? I understand that there are not enough smaller properties so people will be penalised for something that they have no control over! | |||
" Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that. True..... I have sat in many a meeting discussing it...
It may very well be there are actually almost enough rentable houses and flats to accommodate the entire homeless population of the country were it not for the fact there are too many single people living in 2 or 3 or more bedroom flats which they don't actually need.
Well I am sure that once £10 per room comes in they will think about "downgrading"
Downgrade to what? I understand that there are not enough smaller properties so people will be penalised for something that they have no control over!
"Depends what part of the country you have... because there are families with kids in a 1 bedroom property and a single person in a 2 bed property they will do swaps etc... | |||
" Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that. True..... I have sat in many a meeting discussing it...
It may very well be there are actually almost enough rentable houses and flats to accommodate the entire homeless population of the country were it not for the fact there are too many single people living in 2 or 3 or more bedroom flats which they don't actually need.
Well I am sure that once £10 per room comes in they will think about "downgrading"
Downgrade to what? I understand that there are not enough smaller properties so people will be penalised for something that they have no control over!
"There ARE enough smaller properties - they're just in the wrong hands. You could well argue that the buy to rent mortgage market brought about the financial crash. Maybe it's time to nationalise the so-called private property market. | |||
" Depends what part of the country you have... because there are families with kids in a 1 bedroom property and a single person in a 2 bed property they will do swaps etc..." I doubt that. Not without some sort of incentive(s). | |||
"My point was that I might not be in this position at all if private rented accommodation hadn't been unavailable due to blanket discrimination." Unfortunately, the few (those who do abuse the benefits system) have ruined it for honest people who just need a break to get back on their feet. I know only to well how difficult is it to get a job and settle a family when you have no fixed address. I caught a luck break, I hope you do to x | |||
" Depends what part of the country you have... because there are families with kids in a 1 bedroom property and a single person in a 2 bed property they will do swaps etc... I doubt that. Not without some sort of incentive(s)." I am sure there will be... | |||
"thank the lord it was .. imagine them bazookas with out proper heating .. wud have took ur eye out !! " It wasn't. Nobody would rent to me. I ended up sleeping on floors and in my car, for months. I am now living in a total shithole which I have had to treat for flea infestation since moving in. I've never been in rent or bill arrears and I've never done damage to rented property. But I'm stuck in the fleapit because nobody will let me rent anything better. You're lucky that you can leave the sinking ship. I am stuck on it. Me and the fleas. | |||
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" Depends what part of the country you have... because there are families with kids in a 1 bedroom property and a single person in a 2 bed property they will do swaps etc... I doubt that. Not without some sort of incentive(s). I am sure there will be... " It's been a while since I worked directly in social housing but there used to be incentives to get people to move out of larger properties and for moving to other parts of the country on swaps. | |||
"Its Going to Get Interesting !!! next year - the goverment are planning on giving Junkies and alcoholics and the likes .. wait for it.. The Housing benefit Money.. - but - they have to pay their own rent !! How many more evictions will occur due to people blowing their rent money on booze and drugs.. its almost like a version of social cleansing..
Housing benefit will be paid direct, if the claimant falls into arrears the benefit will be paid direct to the landlord for a period of time before reverting to direct payments again. I this a possible attempt at avoiding evictions through non-payment!
as a landlord im very up to date with the changes that are occuring and in my opinion they are not moving forward
ive always allowed DSS however i will not be allowing them in the future as the housing benefit can be paid directly to them .. if they dont pay their rent and have signed a 6 month contract u have to go to court to evict them and it takes 3 months and whilst they have got a contract u have no rights of entry to ur own property even if u can see it is being neglected "As a recovering alcoholic who,to my lasting shame has taken advantage of this I have every sympathy with you. Housing benefit should be paid direct to the landlord,not to a tenant who,in cases like mine are either incapable or unwilling to pay their rent | |||
"thank the lord it was .. imagine them bazookas with out proper heating .. wud have took ur eye out !! It wasn't. Nobody would rent to me. I ended up sleeping on floors and in my car, for months. I am now living in a total shithole which I have had to treat for flea infestation since moving in. I've never been in rent or bill arrears and I've never done damage to rented property. But I'm stuck in the fleapit because nobody will let me rent anything better. You're lucky that you can leave the sinking ship. I am stuck on it. Me and the fleas." And - its only gonna get worse for folks with the new rules...  | |||
" Depends what part of the country you have... because there are families with kids in a 1 bedroom property and a single person in a 2 bed property they will do swaps etc... I doubt that. Not without some sort of incentive(s). I am sure there will be... It's been a while since I worked directly in social housing but there used to be incentives to get people to move out of larger properties and for moving to other parts of the country on swaps. " Yes, there was. In Glasgow it was £1,000 + appropriate removal and legal expenses. It didn't work. A lot of the people who were under-occupied also held preserved right to buy tenancies and that was worth much more to them, or their children. | |||
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"so long as the goverment r sitting pretty in the mansions keeping tootsie nice n warm ,they dnt give a monkeys toss about any one else being able 2 survive ,,,, "It's arguably in the interests of the current shower to keep it that way 'cos those of no fixed abode can't vote. | |||
" Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that. True..... I have sat in many a meeting discussing it...
It may very well be there are actually almost enough rentable houses and flats to accommodate the entire homeless population of the country were it not for the fact there are too many single people living in 2 or 3 or more bedroom flats which they don't actually need.
Well I am sure that once £10 per room comes in they will think about "downgrading"
Downgrade to what? I understand that there are not enough smaller properties so people will be penalised for something that they have no control over!
There ARE enough smaller properties - they're just in the wrong hands.
You could well argue that the buy to rent mortgage market brought about the financial crash. Maybe it's time to nationalise the so-called private property market."I hate to disagree, but according to one or two of the housing representative bodies in the UK there aren't enough properties. One HA is quoting having to rebuild 7.5% of their stock to ensure occupancy rates are correct. Others are having to consider whether it will be them or their tennants that take the hit. Shy  | |||
"get a maltese passport if ur struggling .. ive got 18 month rent in advance off a certain council for a couple that recently landed on our tarmac and aint paid a penny into the system .. work that out ! " The money is simply being routed via your local council. The Maltese government is paying. You may find a clause in your agreement saying you can't publish the fact. | |||
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" Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that. True..... I have sat in many a meeting discussing it...
It may very well be there are actually almost enough rentable houses and flats to accommodate the entire homeless population of the country were it not for the fact there are too many single people living in 2 or 3 or more bedroom flats which they don't actually need.
Well I am sure that once £10 per room comes in they will think about "downgrading"
Downgrade to what? I understand that there are not enough smaller properties so people will be penalised for something that they have no control over!
There ARE enough smaller properties - they're just in the wrong hands.
You could well argue that the buy to rent mortgage market brought about the financial crash. Maybe it's time to nationalise the so-called private property market.
I hate to disagree, but according to one or two of the housing representative bodies in the UK there aren't enough properties. One HA is quoting having to rebuild 7.5% of their stock to ensure occupancy rates are correct. Others are having to consider whether it will be them or their tennants that take the hit.
Shy
"I'm involved with RSLs (local social landlords) and my response is 'they would say that, wouldn't they'. There ARE enough properties. Some are in the 'wrong' place. Some are in the wrong hands. Some require a bit of work. With a bit of non-Tory common sense we can make this work. | |||
" The money is simply being routed via your local council. The Maltese government is paying. You may find a clause in your agreement saying you can't publish the fact." em no . its deffo from the uk councils | |||
"Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is private rented property. Cuts to housing benefit, changes to the rules of how the cost of rent locally is assessed and some serious fudging of the figures means it's difficult to find any private rental property that is affordable on housing benefit. HOWEVER, sometimes it is possible and sometimes people are willing and able to add a bit to what they pay in rent from other benefits, by changing how they budget. But the vast majority of them won't be able to rent privately because lettings agents, and even a lot of private landlords now, won't accept tenants in receipt of I found myself in this position this year, through no fault of my own. Even though I am an educated person, with a solid, good career track record behind me, who is clean and responsible and has never been in rent or bill arrears and is just trying to get back on my feet, I couldn't find anyone who would rent to me. (Any idea how shit that made me I ended up homeless and sleeping on friends' floors and in my car. I'm now in grotty temporary accommodation, desperately trying to sort something better out and getting no help from anyone. I found, whilst looking for housing, that it's not even down to landlords, in many cases, to decide if they'll accept tenants on Benefits; their mortgage companies won't allow it! And often the landlords that will take "DSS" as it's still called in ads, are often dissuaded by lettings agents, or the agent turns them away without even telling the landlord. With so much pressure on social housing and such rapidly rising homelessness rates, WHY is this blanket discrimination being allowed? WHY is the government not tackling it as it would ease the crisis a little. Not all people on Benefit are scum. Not all people in employment are good tenants. I intend to start campaigning against the discrimination once I have my own life back on something of an even keel. At the moment, however, that could be a while." Truly put my worst tenants have been so called doctors /professional they call them selfs run depts of 10000s then leave my best tenants have been on benefits through no fault of there own To nights program to me just highlights the people in government are out of touch but claim to care, but who you vote for or comes to power none of them care, yes every where you look people like us are cutting back in daily spending while our government can fund people in none productive jobs and close ranks to protect them selfs , local government is no different I have many friends in these jobs, they would sooner talk about there new lap tops and which hotel they can go in for a gelling course on how to solve problems | |||
" Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that. True..... I have sat in many a meeting discussing it...
It may very well be there are actually almost enough rentable houses and flats to accommodate the entire homeless population of the country were it not for the fact there are too many single people living in 2 or 3 or more bedroom flats which they don't actually need.
Well I am sure that once £10 per room comes in they will think about "downgrading"
Downgrade to what? I understand that there are not enough smaller properties so people will be penalised for something that they have no control over!
There ARE enough smaller properties - they're just in the wrong hands.
You could well argue that the buy to rent mortgage market brought about the financial crash. Maybe it's time to nationalise the so-called private property market.
I hate to disagree, but according to one or two of the housing representative bodies in the UK there aren't enough properties. One HA is quoting having to rebuild 7.5% of their stock to ensure occupancy rates are correct. Others are having to consider whether it will be them or their tennants that take the hit.
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I'm involved with RSLs (local social landlords) and my response is 'they would say that, wouldn't they'.
There ARE enough properties. Some are in the 'wrong' place. Some are in the wrong hands. Some require a bit of work.
With a bit of non-Tory common sense we can make this work."You and I both Onny - perhaps we are just sitting on opposite sides of the same fence. I will agree that a bit of non tory common sense would resolve the issue | |||
" The money is simply being routed via your local council. The Maltese government is paying. You may find a clause in your agreement saying you can't publish the fact. em no . its deffo from the uk councils " Er yes..... You'll be being paid by a UK local authority but the money will be coming from the Maltese Government. Ask them. They'll tell you they can't tell you. Ask them why not. They'll tell you they can't tell you. PS. I'm prepared to accept the Maltese money might well have started its life at DFiD. | |||
" Many haven't been proactive until now but the advent of the underoccupation (bedroom) tax will probably make a big difference to that. True..... I have sat in many a meeting discussing it...
It may very well be there are actually almost enough rentable houses and flats to accommodate the entire homeless population of the country were it not for the fact there are too many single people living in 2 or 3 or more bedroom flats which they don't actually need.
Well I am sure that once £10 per room comes in they will think about "downgrading"
Downgrade to what? I understand that there are not enough smaller properties so people will be penalised for something that they have no control over!
There ARE enough smaller properties - they're just in the wrong hands.
You could well argue that the buy to rent mortgage market brought about the financial crash. Maybe it's time to nationalise the so-called private property market.
I hate to disagree, but according to one or two of the housing representative bodies in the UK there aren't enough properties. One HA is quoting having to rebuild 7.5% of their stock to ensure occupancy rates are correct. Others are having to consider whether it will be them or their tennants that take the hit.
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"GCC used to own all the houses in Glasgow, 2002/3 a big debt was wiped out when GHA took over ownership. Every bit of public land that can be used for homes is considered for develpoment. From garden homes to small flats, the multi story towers will slowly be replaced due to progress. OR is it just the case folk got council home/flats, then discovered corners were cut flat roofs led to dampness then ill health. New Towns were the way forward, yet dependin on funding neglect certains towns suffered from partial demolition. Highlighting new building projects ignores the short term fix of housing design. I once got to the 33rd floor in the RedRoad, great view pity about the metal windows and coldness due to electric heaters bleeding wages dry. RedRoad Sighthill et al got a demolition reprieve thanks to the Asylum project 13 years ago. It is stange to enter Glasgow minus half of Sighthill, Abestos clearance is slowing down the RedRoad. | |||
" From garden homes to small flats, the multi story towers will slowly be replaced due to progress.............." That's not wholly true. A large number of Glasgow City Council multi's have either been modernised at GCC expense (Dunsdasvale Court) or passed to a local housing association with a healthy dowry (Blythswood Court/ St Vincent Terrace). | |||
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" From garden homes to small flats, the multi story towers will slowly be replaced due to progress.............. That's not wholly true. A large number of Glasgow City Council multi's have either been modernised at GCC expense (Dunsdasvale Court) or passed to a local housing association with a healthy dowry (Blythswood Court/ St Vincent Terrace)." ST Vincent terrace is slowly being rebuilt hence the 6 year plan | |||
" From garden homes to small flats, the multi story towers will slowly be replaced due to progress.............. That's not wholly true. A large number of Glasgow City Council multi's have either been modernised at GCC expense (Dunsdasvale Court) or passed to a local housing association with a healthy dowry (Blythswood Court/ St Vincent Terrace). ST Vincent terrace is slowly being rebuilt hence the 6 year plan " That's not actually the case. SVT is 'finished business' as far as Glasgow Housing Association is concerned. | |||
" From garden homes to small flats, the multi story towers will slowly be replaced due to progress.............. That's not wholly true. A large number of Glasgow City Council multi's have either been modernised at GCC expense (Dunsdasvale Court) or passed to a local housing association with a healthy dowry (Blythswood Court/ St Vincent Terrace). ST Vincent terrace is slowly being rebuilt hence the 6 year plan " The western end of St Vincent Terr is empty and ready for demolition. | |||
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"Did you spend a year thinking about that reply? "It's been more than a year, I think. I haven't watched the most recent Panorama on private landlords fleecing the housing benefit system yet. | |||
"Did you spend a year thinking about that reply?
It's been more than a year, I think.
I haven't watched the most recent Panorama on private landlords fleecing the housing benefit system yet.
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"At least we can still bury the dead unlike when labour was in power in the late 70s when dead bodies were stored in warehouses because the gravediggers were on strike. Lorry drivers on strike, public sector workers on strike, waste collectors on strike. Perhaps they did not cover the Winter of Discontent when many of you were at school, some of us lived through it." Exactly. That's why we should look for progression, and not look to the past. This political system is dying, like others before it. People are bound to cling on, it's human nature. | |||
"At least we can still bury the dead unlike when labour was in power in the late 70s when dead bodies were stored in warehouses because the gravediggers were on strike. Lorry drivers on strike, public sector workers on strike, waste collectors on strike. Perhaps they did not cover the Winter of Discontent when many of you were at school, some of us lived through it." How does that help the current housing crisis? I lived through the Winter of Discontent and then the subsequent smashing of the unions and sell off of the council housing stock. Then the land-banking by supermarkets and developers and increase in buying second homes as an investment, leading to local rural and seaside communities unable to afford to buy homes. | |||
"I'm writing my dissertation on the housing crisis. It really is a terrifying prospect for the future of this country! There is currently a deficit of over 1,000,000 in housing stock and this is increasing by around 200,000 per annum. That is a relatively conservative element. The scariest part is that most people are entirely oblivious. The 'Brick standard' is effectively what holds our economy together. If we flood the market with new homes, the value of all residential property will drop. So by solving the crisis we would just be creating a larger one. Combine this with the (almost unique amongst European nation's) import we place in home ownership. Means that absolutely no political party will suggest steps to sort out the problem as they will lose votes. We cannot solve this crisis under current systems, political social, and economical. So we need new ones! P.s if anyone has any useful information which I could add to my research please P.M. me "The huge elephant in the room, but no politician will admit it because if they're not property owners themselves, their mates are and their donors are. | |||
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"If the Tories open up the Right to Buy to Housing Association tenants it will worsen the Housing Crisis. Push more towards the private rented sector and that will only encourage more unscrupulous private landlords ! I'm not convinced that it will be brought in, as I read a great article the other day. I'm sure it will be legally challenged. " It is very open to legal challenge. It's not state owned property - they are private but regulated by the state. At which point would this right to buy have to be extended to other private stock if you open up the provision that private stock can be subject to right to buy? | |||
"If the Tories open up the Right to Buy to Housing Association tenants it will worsen the Housing Crisis. Push more towards the private rented sector and that will only encourage more unscrupulous private landlords ! I'm not convinced that it will be brought in, as I read a great article the other day. I'm sure it will be legally challenged. " I believe many local authorities are preparing legal challenge against the proposal whereby they will be forced to sell of their most expensive properties as they become vacant. And for housing associations and ALMOs, their business plans and the debt they have will have been based on a certain set of assumptions that these proposals could blow out of the water. | |||
"If the Tories open up the Right to Buy to Housing Association tenants it will worsen the Housing Crisis. Push more towards the private rented sector and that will only encourage more unscrupulous private landlords ! I'm not convinced that it will be brought in, as I read a great article the other day. I'm sure it will be legally challenged. I believe many local authorities are preparing legal challenge against the proposal whereby they will be forced to sell of their most expensive properties as they become vacant. And for housing associations and ALMOs, their business plans and the debt they have will have been based on a certain set of assumptions that these proposals could blow out of the water. " The sell off of the most expensive stock is social cleansing by any other name in London. Council estates in Kensington and Chelsea are on expensive land and so you get ridiculous headlines of people on housing benefit living in £m penthouses etc. Building elsewhere means building out of London or another, poorer, borough. | |||
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"People talk as if the housing shortage is a new thing its not. There has been a shortage of homes for well over 100 years. Various schemes have been tried to address this situation and all have failed. The right to buy has little to do with the housing crisis; it will have very little effect on the stock of housing available as every house sold under the right to buy has a sitting tenant. After WWII the prefabs and other temporary buildings were built to alleviate the housing crisis. These were supposed to have a thirty year lifetime many are still in use today. At the same time blocks of flats were built to provide high density accommodation per acre. Those same blocks of flats quickly turn into slums where no one wanted to live, many blocks of flats or to put it another way many homes (as blocks of flats contained homes, built less than 50 years previously had to be demolished It has nothing to do with party politics, but it is connected to immigration and to birth control, and the success of the health service in this country. " So the system hasn't worked for over a hundred years. Proof surely that our democracy isn't functioning as it should be.. | |||
"People talk as if the housing shortage is a new thing its not. There has been a shortage of homes for well over 100 years. Various schemes have been tried to address this situation and all have failed. The right to buy has little to do with the housing crisis; it will have very little effect on the stock of housing available as every house sold under the right to buy has a sitting tenant. After WWII the prefabs and other temporary buildings were built to alleviate the housing crisis. These were supposed to have a thirty year lifetime many are still in use today. At the same time blocks of flats were built to provide high density accommodation per acre. Those same blocks of flats quickly turn into slums where no one wanted to live, many blocks of flats or to put it another way many homes (as blocks of flats contained homes, built less than 50 years previously had to be demolished It has nothing to do with party politics, but it is connected to immigration and to birth control, and the success of the health service in this country. So the system hasn't worked for over a hundred years. Proof surely that our democracy isn't functioning as it should be.. " We have also moved to an expectation of much better living standards in the last 100 years. We no longer expect whole families to live in one room as mine did for five years in the 70s. There are now flats and houses with single occupants (I'm "guilty" of this). The crisis of 100 years ago is not the same as that we are facing now. | |||
"It has nothing to do with party politics, but it is connected to immigration and to birth control, and the success of the health service in this country. " That's something of an oxymoron | |||
"People talk as if the housing shortage is a new thing its not. There has been a shortage of homes for well over 100 years. Various schemes have been tried to address this situation and all have failed. The right to buy has little to do with the housing crisis; it will have very little effect on the stock of housing available as every house sold under the right to buy has a sitting tenant. " In a way yes, but it's a poor use of stock if a single person purchases a three bed house. Two bedrooms sitting empty whilst the housing list grows longer. I know that would still be the situation if they stayed renting, but at some stage the property would have become vacant again. Then be used to capacity hopefully. At least for a while, hopefully longer if short term tenancies are used. Plus there's no way on this Earth, they will build a new property for each one sold. The National Housing Federation estimates that 221,000 more households will be able to buy if this comes into play. The discounts will cost 12 billion. The figures just don't stack up. | |||
"Did you spend a year thinking about that reply? "No, the demolition has only just begun. | |||
"I'm writing my dissertation on the housing crisis. It really is a terrifying prospect for the future of this country! There is currently a deficit of over 1,000,000 in housing stock and this is increasing by around 200,000 per annum. That is a relatively conservative element. "1,000,000 houses short? At the average size household if 2.4 people, that's just short of 2.5 Million people. Over the last decade there has been a net immigration influx of 250,000 people per year. That's 2.5 Million people. Or 1,000,000 houses.... | |||
"I'm writing my dissertation on the housing crisis. It really is a terrifying prospect for the future of this country! There is currently a deficit of over 1,000,000 in housing stock and this is increasing by around 200,000 per annum. That is a relatively conservative element.
1,000,000 houses short? At the average size household if 2.4 people, that's just short of 2.5 Million people.
Over the last decade there has been a net immigration influx of 250,000 people per year. That's 2.5 Million people.
Or 1,000,000 houses....
"And those immigrants have contributed a net gain of ~ 5bn to our economy. I suppose immigrants don't have a right to a roof over their heads though.. | |||
"I'm writing my dissertation on the housing crisis. It really is a terrifying prospect for the future of this country! There is currently a deficit of over 1,000,000 in housing stock and this is increasing by around 200,000 per annum. That is a relatively conservative element.
1,000,000 houses short? At the average size household if 2.4 people, that's just short of 2.5 Million people.
Over the last decade there has been a net immigration influx of 250,000 people per year. That's 2.5 Million people.
Or 1,000,000 houses....
And those immigrants have contributed a net gain of ~ 5bn to our economy. I suppose immigrants don't have a right to a roof over their heads though.. "Not if the rooves aren't there for them. The government should spend some of that 5bn on houses,schools,GP surgeries even the sewer system to accommodate for the population increase. They didn't reckon on people coming here to work and going on to get married and have families it seems. | |||
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"I'm writing my dissertation on the housing crisis. It really is a terrifying prospect for the future of this country! There is currently a deficit of over 1,000,000 in housing stock and this is increasing by around 200,000 per annum. That is a relatively conservative element.
1,000,000 houses short? At the average size household if 2.4 people, that's just short of 2.5 Million people.
Over the last decade there has been a net immigration influx of 250,000 people per year. That's 2.5 Million people.
Or 1,000,000 houses....
And those immigrants have contributed a net gain of ~ 5bn to our economy. I suppose immigrants don't have a right to a roof over their heads though.. "That's a simple calculation based upon the tax take minus any benefits received..... and is true given that there has been no spend on the infrastructure to support them. So, 1,000,000 houses to be built for 2,500,000 immigrants? That's the best part of 200 BILLION..... and this is without the rest of the infrastructure such as schools, hospitals, roads, utilities, and facilities. Makes the net gain of 5 Billion pale into insignificance. | |||
"i see a few people on my way to work who are sat in subways at 7am with a quilt and a dog and are still sat there at 12 lunch time while i go for my dinner .. always baffles me " Cause they'll make more money than you that day with a good spot. Should see the Romanian gangs using women and (usually drugged) babies to run begging rackets brings in huge amounts of money | |||
"I'm writing my dissertation on the housing crisis. It really is a terrifying prospect for the future of this country! There is currently a deficit of over 1,000,000 in housing stock and this is increasing by around 200,000 per annum. That is a relatively conservative element.
1,000,000 houses short? At the average size household if 2.4 people, that's just short of 2.5 Million people.
Over the last decade there has been a net immigration influx of 250,000 people per year. That's 2.5 Million people.
Or 1,000,000 houses....
And those immigrants have contributed a net gain of ~ 5bn to our economy. I suppose immigrants don't have a right to a roof over their heads though.. "That net gain would include mortgage or rental payments so your argument is moot. | |||
"So the system hasn't worked for over a hundred years. Proof surely that our democracy isn't functioning as it should be.. We have also moved to an expectation of much better living standards in the last 100 years. We no longer expect whole families to live in one room as mine did for five years in the 70s. There are now flats and houses with single occupants (I'm "guilty" of this). The crisis of 100 years ago is not the same as that we are facing now. " Which is why I stated “It has nothing to do with party politics…” Instead of trying to score points the parties should put their heads together for the country and work out a plan to solve the problem. Short term plans cannot solve long term problems. The country needs a long term plan that will provide for future needs. Housing plus the infrastructure to service the occupants of the housing. Living standards have on the whole drastically increased. There was no expectation that families would live in one room 100 years ago, that is why they started demolishing slums in the 1890s and began a new house building program that improved living standards. People seem to believe council house sales have only happened since the 1980s, not so such sales occurred even back in the 1950s. "In a way yes, but it's a poor use of stock if a single person purchases a three bed house. Two bedrooms sitting empty whilst the housing list grows longer. I know that would still be the situation if they stayed renting, but at some stage the property would have become vacant again. Then be used to capacity hopefully. At least for a while, hopefully longer if short term tenancies are used. " That would be true even if the housing stayed in Housing Association hands. At one time council housing was used as temporary housing for those in need and the people housed were expected to progress to private renting or purchase when they could afford to do so. That model was dropped when secure tenancies were offered to those in council properties. "Plus there's no way on this Earth, they will build a new property for each one sold. The National Housing Federation estimates that 221,000 more households will be able to buy if this comes into play. The discounts will cost 12 billion. The figures just don't stack up. " Just because the households will be able to afford to buy does not mean they will buy. Many will continue to rent just as they did when it became possible to purchase the council house you lived in. | |||
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"I'm writing my dissertation on the housing crisis. It really is a terrifying prospect for the future of this country! There is currently a deficit of over 1,000,000 in housing stock and this is increasing by around 200,000 per annum. That is a relatively conservative element.
1,000,000 houses short? At the average size household if 2.4 people, that's just short of 2.5 Million people.
Over the last decade there has been a net immigration influx of 250,000 people per year. That's 2.5 Million people.
Or 1,000,000 houses....
And those immigrants have contributed a net gain of ~ 5bn to our economy. I suppose immigrants don't have a right to a roof over their heads though..
That's a simple calculation based upon the tax take minus any benefits received..... and is true given that there has been no spend on the infrastructure to support them.
So, 1,000,000 houses to be built for 2,500,000 immigrants? That's the best part of 200 BILLION..... and this is without the rest of the infrastructure such as schools, hospitals, roads, utilities, and facilities.
Makes the net gain of 5 Billion pale into insignificance. "I agree with you in a way actually, but this isn't a debate about immigration policy. Fact is the government brought those people in, and then failed to build houses for them. This is seriously impacting on us all, yet they are failing to even address the matter, and that's because under existing framework it cannot be solved. | |||
"I'm writing my dissertation on the housing crisis. It really is a terrifying prospect for the future of this country! There is currently a deficit of over 1,000,000 in housing stock and this is increasing by around 200,000 per annum. That is a relatively conservative element.
1,000,000 houses short? At the average size household if 2.4 people, that's just short of 2.5 Million people.
Over the last decade there has been a net immigration influx of 250,000 people per year. That's 2.5 Million people.
Or 1,000,000 houses....
And those immigrants have contributed a net gain of ~ 5bn to our economy. I suppose immigrants don't have a right to a roof over their heads though..
That's a simple calculation based upon the tax take minus any benefits received..... and is true given that there has been no spend on the infrastructure to support them.
So, 1,000,000 houses to be built for 2,500,000 immigrants? That's the best part of 200 BILLION..... and this is without the rest of the infrastructure such as schools, hospitals, roads, utilities, and facilities.
Makes the net gain of 5 Billion pale into insignificance.
I agree with you in a way actually, but this isn't a debate about immigration policy. Fact is the government brought those people in, and then failed to build houses for them. This is seriously impacting on us all, yet they are failing to even address the matter, and that's because under existing framework it cannot be solved. "Mmmm... so let's talk about the housing crisis, and the causes of it, but immigration is off limits? Nobody said anything about immigration policy. However, the statement was that we're 1,000,000 homes short in the country. The number of houses required for the last decade of immigration just happens to be 1,000,000. So, how can immigration not have had an adverse effect on housing? We want 'joined up government' but can't discuss here where one policy seriously impacts upon another? To write a dissertation about the housing crisis and not discuss immigration would be crazy. Part of that would be the question of immigration being a net benefit to the country. Part of the dissertation should be, surely, " immigration has brought in a net benefit of 5 Billion to the country, but the downside to this is that we now need to spend 200 Billion to house this additional population. This does not include a further 200 billion on other infrastructure and public services." Or maybe the dissertation should be on the question... " how much would it cost to build a city of 1,000,000 homes,how much would this cost the government to run, and where could we put it? " | |||
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"Buy to let needs cracking down on to help with the problem." Rather a sweeping statement. Buy to let could help solve the problem. It all depends on the attitude of the person who buys the property. If he/she buys the property as a long term investment and lets it out at a modest rent to cover bills then it will help the situation. If he/she buys the property to produce short term profit then the rent will probably be too high and may possibly add to the problem. I would hope your dissertation looked at all sides of the situation, but from what you wrote re immigration I doubt if it will. It sounds more as if is an exercise in propaganda rather than a dissertation | |||
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"I'm writing my dissertation on the housing crisis. It really is a terrifying prospect for the future of this country! There is currently a deficit of over 1,000,000 in housing stock and this is increasing by around 200,000 per annum. That is a relatively conservative element.
1,000,000 houses short? At the average size household if 2.4 people, that's just short of 2.5 Million people.
Over the last decade there has been a net immigration influx of 250,000 people per year. That's 2.5 Million people.
Or 1,000,000 houses....
And those immigrants have contributed a net gain of ~ 5bn to our economy. I suppose immigrants don't have a right to a roof over their heads though..
That's a simple calculation based upon the tax take minus any benefits received..... and is true given that there has been no spend on the infrastructure to support them.
So, 1,000,000 houses to be built for 2,500,000 immigrants? That's the best part of 200 BILLION..... and this is without the rest of the infrastructure such as schools, hospitals, roads, utilities, and facilities.
Makes the net gain of 5 Billion pale into insignificance.
I agree with you in a way actually, but this isn't a debate about immigration policy. Fact is the government brought those people in, and then failed to build houses for them. This is seriously impacting on us all, yet they are failing to even address the matter, and that's because under existing framework it cannot be solved.
Mmmm... so let's talk about the housing crisis, and the causes of it, but immigration is off limits? Nobody said anything about immigration policy.
However, the statement was that we're 1,000,000 homes short in the country. The number of houses required for the last decade of immigration just happens to be 1,000,000.
So, how can immigration not have had an adverse effect on housing?
We want 'joined up government' but can't discuss here where one policy seriously impacts upon another?
To write a dissertation about the housing crisis and not discuss immigration would be crazy. Part of that would be the question of immigration being a net benefit to the country.
Part of the dissertation should be, surely, " immigration has brought in a net benefit of 5 Billion to the country, but the downside to this is that we now need to spend 200 Billion to house this additional population. This does not include a further 200 billion on other infrastructure and public services."
Or maybe the dissertation should be on the question... " how much would it cost to build a city of 1,000,000 homes,how much would this cost the government to run, and where could we put it? ""My angle is wether a higher uptake of new technology would have any impact on the existing crisis. I'm not writing a load of contentious shite about immigration.. But thanks for the advice.. Anyway, out of the context of my dissertation, it doesn't matter what the cause is. Wether immigration or otherwise we need to solve it. Nobody is talking about it. That's the problem. | |||
" I would hope your dissertation looked at all sides of the situation, but from what you wrote re immigration I doubt if it will. It sounds more as if is an exercise in propaganda rather than a dissertation " It's a dissertation not a thesis my friend. I do not have the slope to even begin to look at all sides of the situation. Thanks for your doubt and negativity though. Top guy!! | |||
"Buy to let needs cracking down on to help with the problem." In the 30s it was the feckless poor having too many children. In the 50s it was 'coloureds', Irish and those with dogs. In the 70s it was Bangladeshis and Asians from Uganda. In the 90s it was rich people with holiday homes. Today it is Eastern Europeans and Landlords. Politicians of all colour will always find someone else to blame for their lack of planning and investment, while they choose to protect the core-vote of the baby-boomers, who want house prices high, and no new housing in their backyards. Mr ddc | |||
"Buy to let needs cracking down on to help with the problem. In the 30s it was the feckless poor having too many children. In the 50s it was 'coloureds', Irish and those with dogs. In the 70s it was Bangladeshis and Asians from Uganda. In the 90s it was rich people with holiday homes. Today it is Eastern Europeans and Landlords. Politicians of all colour will always find someone else to blame for their lack of planning and investment, while they choose to protect the core-vote of the baby-boomers, who want house prices high, and no new housing in their backyards. Mr ddc" I'd say that was pretty spot on! | |||
"Buy to let needs cracking down on to help with the problem. In the 30s it was the feckless poor having too many children. In the 50s it was 'coloureds', Irish and those with dogs. In the 70s it was Bangladeshis and Asians from Uganda. In the 90s it was rich people with holiday homes. Today it is Eastern Europeans and Landlords. Politicians of all colour will always find someone else to blame for their lack of planning and investment, while they choose to protect the core-vote of the baby-boomers, who want house prices high, and no new housing in their backyards. Mr ddc" And the Russian oligarchs and off-plan builds just for the Chinese market where the properties are empty but for the cleaner going in once a month. Don't get me started on the cost of subsidies for a small number of individuals to buy and how that money could be used to build. | |||
" Don't get me started on the cost of subsidies for a small number of individuals to buy and how that money could be used to build. "
I also think we should remove capital gains exemption on private homes. It is absurd that the most money I will make in my life is that on which I will pay the least tax.
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"If you think the social housing crises is bad now just wait till the Tories get re-elected and force the housing trusts to sell off their housing stock at discounted prices as they have said they will..." You mean the houses the housing associations picked up at a highly discounted rate from the councils. As I mentioned earlier in the thread selling homes to sitting tenants makes no difference to the housing shortage. If you want to vere into party polotics the labour idea of fixing rents for three years and forcing landlords to improve substandard homes will have a catastrophic effect. Private landlords will fix a higher rate at the begining of a tenancy, owners of substandard housing will either withdraw the houses from the housing stock and sell to others making money by simply selling the properties. Social housing landlords will not be able to afford to modernise their housing stock and build new homes so house building will decline. That is exactly what happened in the USA and is the reason even the labour party's adviser is against such a move | |||
" As I mentioned earlier in the thread selling homes to sitting tenants makes no difference to the housing shortage. "
It matters not one jot who owns the roof over your head, nor who paid to build it.
Only that you do, and that someone did.
(With the possible caveat that if the taxpayer is footing the bill, the private sector tend to do it better, and at less overall cost)
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"We need to look at brown and green field building on a massive scale close to the major conurbations. This will have to see a massive relaxation in planning and the funding of the private sector. " Then house prices fall, and nobody want's that right? Messes up the economy, and the politicians who make the changes get booted out. Then the next lot reverses all the planning policy. Been happening for years. It's unsolvable under current frameworks, yet it's an issue which desperately needs solving. | |||
