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"However....and a very big however.... A civilsed society can not deal with un-civilised people with in the confines of the human rights act..." Oh, interesting! If you deal with someone in an uncivilised way can you still claim you are civilised? What do you think? | |||
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"Human rights issues are trivialised by most people until they inadvertently find themselves on the wrong side of the line and then realise that the Human Rights laws that could have helped have been slowly eroded away without them realising. But then I'm just a pinko liberal... " Pinko Liberal is good! if there were more of us it would be a better world!!! | |||
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"However....and a very big however.... A civilsed society can not deal with un-civilised people with in the confines of the human rights act..." That is what separates the civilised from the uncivilised the adherence to Human Rights for all..........thats what the popular press round on......everyone of us has human rights despite what he or she may have or is willing to do! | |||
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"Using the word “civilised” encompasses far to many variables. "The court of human rights and its charter adequately summerises the definition of civil........ised behaviour. | |||
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"Using the word “civilised” encompasses far to many variables. The court of human rights and its charter adequately summerises the definition of civil........ised behaviour."Oh-well, I guess perhaps I’ll just remain one of those odd fukers who doesn’t conform to having other people to tell me what to think then…… | |||
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"However....and a very big however.... A civilsed society can not deal with un-civilised people with in the confines of the human rights act... Oh, interesting! If you deal with someone in an uncivilised way can you still claim you are civilised? What do you think?" I believe you can, as a civilised person will know when they have taken the correct action or amount of action to protect society, where as an un-civilised person would not have any boundries... A question... A person has kidnapped a small child and placed them in a box that is running out of air. You only have 4 hours to save the child. You have the kidnapper but he won't tell you where the child is. Do you torture the details out of him or allow him his human rights and allow the child to die a slow, terrifying lonely death? | |||
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"However....and a very big however.... A civilsed society can not deal with un-civilised people with in the confines of the human rights act... Oh, interesting! If you deal with someone in an uncivilised way can you still claim you are civilised? What do you think? I believe you can, as a civilised person will know when they have taken the correct action or amount of action to protect society, where as an un-civilised person would not have any boundries... A question... A person has kidnapped a small child and placed them in a box that is running out of air. You only have 4 hours to save the child. You have the kidnapper but he won't tell you where the child is. Do you torture the details out of him or allow him his human rights and allow the child to die a slow, terrifying lonely death?" Personally I would torture and no doubt would end up in prison alongside him. | |||
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"However....and a very big however.... A civilsed society can not deal with un-civilised people with in the confines of the human rights act... Oh, interesting! If you deal with someone in an uncivilised way can you still claim you are civilised? What do you think? I believe you can, as a civilised person will know when they have taken the correct action or amount of action to protect society, where as an un-civilised person would not have any boundries... A question... A person has kidnapped a small child and placed them in a box that is running out of air. You only have 4 hours to save the child. You have the kidnapper but he won't tell you where the child is. Do you torture the details out of him or allow him his human rights and allow the child to die a slow, terrifying lonely death?" Personally I think the person in your scenario should be made to talk but when is it ever as clear cut as that? Someone will always argue that the person is innocent until proven guilty and that a proper trial should be allowed and of course that takes weeks or months. Imagine that a member of your family is accused of carrying out a serious crime and is witholding information, like your scenario. What would you say then? | |||
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"However....and a very big however.... A civilsed society can not deal with un-civilised people with in the confines of the human rights act... Oh, interesting! If you deal with someone in an uncivilised way can you still claim you are civilised? What do you think? I believe you can, as a civilised person will know when they have taken the correct action or amount of action to protect society, where as an un-civilised person would not have any boundries... A question... A person has kidnapped a small child and placed them in a box that is running out of air. You only have 4 hours to save the child. You have the kidnapper but he won't tell you where the child is. Do you torture the details out of him or allow him his human rights and allow the child to die a slow, terrifying lonely death? Personally I think the person in your scenario should be made to talk but when is it ever as clear cut as that? Someone will always argue that the person is innocent until proven guilty and that a proper trial should be allowed and of course that takes weeks or months. Imagine that a member of your family is accused of carrying out a serious crime and is witholding information, like your scenario. What would you say then? " If you stoop to uncivilised methods then you become the same as those who are not! The Finucane situstion is an example. The state or its agents knew that assignations were being planned and did nothing to stop them. Same situation as the example given above. | |||
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"I agree with a right to fair trial. In my scenario the man held is the kidnapper. I was asking what would a civilised person do. It's a whole different ball game if you didn't know if you had the right person or not.... " But your situation is extreme and that is one of the points I am making .............extreme or outlandish incicents (Abu Hammsa et all) seem to tarnish the whole human rights issue. Most HR cases are ones of political assylum or abuse of power. | |||
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"However....and a very big however.... A civilsed society can not deal with un-civilised people with in the confines of the human rights act... Oh, interesting! If you deal with someone in an uncivilised way can you still claim you are civilised? What do you think? I believe you can, as a civilised person will know when they have taken the correct action or amount of action to protect society, where as an un-civilised person would not have any boundries... A question... A person has kidnapped a small child and placed them in a box that is running out of air. You only have 4 hours to save the child. You have the kidnapper but he won't tell you where the child is. Do you torture the details out of him or allow him his human rights and allow the child to die a slow, terrifying lonely death? Personally I think the person in your scenario should be made to talk but when is it ever as clear cut as that? Someone will always argue that the person is innocent until proven guilty and that a proper trial should be allowed and of course that takes weeks or months. Imagine that a member of your family is accused of carrying out a serious crime and is witholding information, like your scenario. What would you say then? If you stoop to uncivilised methods then you become the same as those who are not! The Finucane situstion is an example. The state or its agents knew that assignations were being planned and did nothing to stop them. Same situation as the example given above." The Finucane story is an example of where someone has made a decision to kill someone and thinks they're acting in the cause of justice. Finucane defended IRA suspects who used the legal system they didn't believe in to literally get away with murder, in one case the murder of two British soldiers who drove into an IRA funeral by mistake. So where do you draw the line in what was a terribly desperate situation in Northern Ireland at the time? Or do two wrongs actually make a right? I wish life was simpler but it isn't. People will always disagree about these issues but the law must always be adhered too but also constantly reviewed and even though 'bleedin' heart liberals' are sometimes a vocal pain in the arse it's their constant moaning that keeps the authorities on their toes. I just wish they would chose their battles more selectively rather than fighting everything! Wow. Deep. | |||
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"Pat finucanes case is the tip of the ice berg when it comes to collusion between loyalist death squads and british inteligence" It truly was a 'dirty' war. It's also an extreme example of what happens when the law gets forgotten and people start doing what they think is right. Having said that the IRA cynically used the legal system to their own devices to support their campaign of murder so that they could further their goal of forming a united MARXIST Ireland. People tend to forget the marxist bit, especially the fundraisers in the USA. | |||
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"However....and a very big however.... A civilsed society can not deal with un-civilised people with in the confines of the human rights act... Oh, interesting! If you deal with someone in an uncivilised way can you still claim you are civilised? What do you think? I believe you can, as a civilised person will know when they have taken the correct action or amount of action to protect society, where as an un-civilised person would not have any boundries... A question... A person has kidnapped a small child and placed them in a box that is running out of air. You only have 4 hours to save the child. You have the kidnapper but he won't tell you where the child is. Do you torture the details out of him or allow him his human rights and allow the child to die a slow, terrifying lonely death? Personally I think the person in your scenario should be made to talk but when is it ever as clear cut as that? Someone will always argue that the person is innocent until proven guilty and that a proper trial should be allowed and of course that takes weeks or months. Imagine that a member of your family is accused of carrying out a serious crime and is witholding information, like your scenario. What would you say then? If you stoop to uncivilised methods then you become the same as those who are not! The Finucane situstion is an example. The state or its agents knew that assignations were being planned and did nothing to stop them. Same situation as the example given above. The Finucane story is an example of where someone has made a decision to kill someone and thinks they're acting in the cause of justice. Finucane defended IRA suspects who used the legal system they didn't believe in to literally get away with murder, in one case the murder of two British soldiers who drove into an IRA funeral by mistake. So where do you draw the line in what was a terribly desperate situation in Northern Ireland at the time? Or do two wrongs actually make a right? I wish life was simpler but it isn't. People will always disagree about these issues but the law must always be adhered too but also constantly reviewed and even though 'bleedin' heart liberals' are sometimes a vocal pain in the arse it's their constant moaning that keeps the authorities on their toes. I just wish they would chose their battles more selectively rather than fighting everything! Wow. Deep." Having been brought up on the biggest council estate in Europe I do not think of myself as a bleeding heart liberal. However those who were charged with the murder of those two soliders which was horrific and barbaric, would have stood trial and were entitled to legal representation. That is what sets those who belive in justice and human rights to those who believed that just because those two unfortunate soliders were in the wrong place, the could hand out what they believed to be justice. It was as I say barbaric but justice will always prevail. | |||
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"However....and a very big however.... A civilsed society can not deal with un-civilised people with in the confines of the human rights act... Oh, interesting! If you deal with someone in an uncivilised way can you still claim you are civilised? What do you think? I believe you can, as a civilised person will know when they have taken the correct action or amount of action to protect society, where as an un-civilised person would not have any boundries... A question... A person has kidnapped a small child and placed them in a box that is running out of air. You only have 4 hours to save the child. You have the kidnapper but he won't tell you where the child is. Do you torture the details out of him or allow him his human rights and allow the child to die a slow, terrifying lonely death? Personally I think the person in your scenario should be made to talk but when is it ever as clear cut as that? Someone will always argue that the person is innocent until proven guilty and that a proper trial should be allowed and of course that takes weeks or months. Imagine that a member of your family is accused of carrying out a serious crime and is witholding information, like your scenario. What would you say then? If you stoop to uncivilised methods then you become the same as those who are not! The Finucane situstion is an example. The state or its agents knew that assignations were being planned and did nothing to stop them. Same situation as the example given above. The Finucane story is an example of where someone has made a decision to kill someone and thinks they're acting in the cause of justice. Finucane defended IRA suspects who used the legal system they didn't believe in to literally get away with murder, in one case the murder of two British soldiers who drove into an IRA funeral by mistake. So where do you draw the line in what was a terribly desperate situation in Northern Ireland at the time? Or do two wrongs actually make a right? I wish life was simpler but it isn't. People will always disagree about these issues but the law must always be adhered too but also constantly reviewed and even though 'bleedin' heart liberals' are sometimes a vocal pain in the arse it's their constant moaning that keeps the authorities on their toes. I just wish they would chose their battles more selectively rather than fighting everything! Wow. Deep.Having been brought up on the biggest council estate in Europe I do not think of myself as a bleeding heart liberal. However those who were charged with the murder of those two soliders which was horrific and barbaric, would have stood trial and were entitled to legal representation. That is what sets those who belive in justice and human rights to those who believed that just because those two unfortunate soliders were in the wrong place, the could hand out what they believed to be justice. It was as I say barbaric but justice will always prevail." Being bought up on a large council estate doesn't make you a 'bleedin' heart liberal' (note tne quote marks). A persons upbringing shouldn't pigeon hole the. Take Lord Longford as a perfect example. The people who personally annoy me are those who cynically use something they don't believe in to hide behind, Abu Hamza for example, violent criminals who claim police brutality when they get injured fighting the police who are lawfully trying to detain them is another example (which I'm sure will raise some comments). The other group who annoy me are those who claim our society is 'facist' or oppresive because they're not allowed to do whatever they want. Sure it's not perfect, far from it. But until you've lived in a real oppresive regime, like East Germany for example, you do not have the right to sat this country is an oppresive facist regime. Unfortunately justice does not always prevail. The guilty get away with it the same as the innocent get found guilty. We live in a very imperfect world and there are times I practically weep for it. Balanced against that are the wonderful, kind, brave, honest, caring people out there who make everything a little better. | |||
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"I believe in justice and a fair trial.... What I don't believe in is a murderer getting off because someone has made a mistake on a piece of paper. The defence should make sure it is a fair trial not use dirty tricks and loop holes to get a guilty person off scott free. " And that's a big part of the problem. Defence teams who genuinely believe their client is innocent is one thing but those who treat a trial as a battle of arguments where they hope to be cleverer than the prosecution is another. Some barristers treat the whole thing as a game, a contest of intellects and an exercise in massaging their own egos. Common sense has largely been lost by the court system under the heading of 'beyond reasonable doubt'. | |||
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"human rights, what human rights ? where did they come from ?" Don't know, ask someone in North Korea. | |||
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"human rights, what human rights ? where did they come from ? Don't know, ask someone in North Korea." I know where human rights come from just wondering if anyone else does ? Strictly speaking they arent really rights at all, more like privellages. And of course privellages can be taken away.  | |||
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".......... What is the point of requests from certain quarters for enquiries into Mr Finucane's death? ........... " You don't think Geraldine is looking for some compo? | |||
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".......... What is the point of requests from certain quarters for enquiries into Mr Finucane's death? ........... You don't think Geraldine is looking for some compo?" if her husbands been murdered and its been covered up by the british which it has then shes entitled to it | |||
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"However....and a very big however.... A civilsed society can not deal with un-civilised people with in the confines of the human rights act... Oh, interesting! If you deal with someone in an uncivilised way can you still claim you are civilised? What do you think? I believe you can, as a civilised person will know when they have taken the correct action or amount of action to protect society, where as an un-civilised person would not have any boundries... How do you know that is true? A question... A person has kidnapped a small child and placed them in a box that is running out of air. You only have 4 hours to save the child. You have the kidnapper but he won't tell you where the child is. Do you torture the details out of him or allow him his human rights and allow the child to die a slow, terrifying lonely death?" | |||
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"at the end of the day he got what was coming to him;cant turn back the clock lots of others deserve compo like to see a few more in the legal bis get the same oh and estate agents oh and bankers oh oh oh lots more sharks out there "What a pathetic comment how did he get what was coming to him?? So any solicitor who defends a murder suspect should be shot dead infront of his family and it be covered up by the forces that be?? Climb back into your hole | |||
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"lots of police and prison officers had the same thing happen; did they deserve it ?" no they did not | |||
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"at the end of the day he got what was coming to him;cant turn back the clock lots of others deserve compo like to see a few more in the legal bis get the same oh and estate agents oh and bankers oh oh oh lots more sharks out there
What a pathetic comment how did he get what was coming to him?? So any solicitor who defends a murder suspect should be shot dead infront of his family and it be covered up by the forces that be?? Climb back into your hole"I think, or at least I hope, you know there was more to Finucane's 'professional' activities than that. | |||
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"at the end of the day he got what was coming to him;cant turn back the clock lots of others deserve compo like to see a few more in the legal bis get the same oh and estate agents oh and bankers oh oh oh lots more sharks out there "hi Ted, perhaps review your profile where you say 'normal outlook on life'.. the guy was a solicitor, he was no more deserving to being murdered as were the other professions you use.. as for estate agents etc....please there are certain countries where gay and bisexual people are persecuted and are murdered also, just for their sexuality.. you equally ok with that i assume...??? | |||
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"I think, or at least I hope, you know there was more to Finucane's 'professional' activities than that." whatever any rumours were and lets be honest given his religion there will be 2 very different sides to any story.. did these 'activities' justify him being murdered..? | |||
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"I think, or at least I hope, you know there was more to Finucane's 'professional' activities than that. whatever any rumours were and lets be honest given his religion there will be 2 very different sides to any story.. did these 'activities' justify him being murdered..? I'm proud 2 b, British. & a follower of the, Queen. " | |||
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" I'm proud 2 b, British. & a follower of the, Queen. " elaborate perhaps? | |||
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"at the end of the day he got what was coming to him;cant turn back the clock lots of others deserve compo like to see a few more in the legal bis get the same oh and estate agents oh and bankers oh oh oh lots more sharks out there
What a pathetic comment how did he get what was coming to him?? So any solicitor who defends a murder suspect should be shot dead infront of his family and it be covered up by the forces that be?? Climb back into your hole
I think, or at least I hope, you know there was more to Finucane's 'professional' activities than that."maybe you could elighten me was he shot because of his cases that involved ira men or because his 3 brothers were pira...no doubt your going to tell me he was only moonlighting as a solicitor his real role in life was right hand man to gerry adams in the pira army council...and i suppose the bloody sunday relatives should stop banging the drum because their loved ones werent innocent either and they got what was coming to them | |||
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" I'm proud 2 b, British. & a follower of the, Queen. " Or Protestant, as it's usually called in these types of threads...  | |||
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" I'm proud 2 b, British. & a follower of the, Queen. elaborate perhaps?" Enemies of the state, shood b dealt with. | |||
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" I'm proud 2 b, British. & a follower of the, Queen. elaborate perhaps? Enemies of the state, shood b dealt with." Enemies of the state? Ffs get a grip | |||
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" I'm proud 2 b, British. & a follower of the, Queen. elaborate perhaps? Enemies of the state, shood b dealt with." As per the law of the land fella, ie. with evidence that goes before a court and is tested.. lest we all end up at the same level of murderers and terrorists of whatever persuasion.. therein lies the road to anarchy.. | |||
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"at the end of the day he got what was coming to him;cant turn back the clock lots of others deserve compo like to see a few more in the legal bis get the same oh and estate agents oh and bankers oh oh oh lots more sharks out there
What a pathetic comment how did he get what was coming to him?? So any solicitor who defends a murder suspect should be shot dead infront of his family and it be covered up by the forces that be?? Climb back into your hole
I think, or at least I hope, you know there was more to Finucane's 'professional' activities than that.
maybe you could elighten me was he shot because of his cases that involved ira men or because his 3 brothers were pira...no doubt your going to tell me he was only moonlighting as a solicitor his real role in life was right hand man to gerry adams in the pira army council...and i suppose the bloody sunday relatives should stop banging the drum because their loved ones werent innocent either and they got what was coming to them "Oh dear oh dear. Bit biased are we? Easy to see what side you are on. So Pat was not in the IRA himself then? Did not smuggle weapons in to IRA prisoners to KILL prison officers. What about KINGSMILLS? What about poor Jean mckonville? You no.. The poor mother of ten who Gerry Adams ordered to be DISSAPEARED?? Or as us decent human beings call MURDERED? Funny how Maskey and all IRA/seinn feiinn scum always want the Brits to apologise and always want the world to hear how bad the Brits are.. Yet there own leader still to this will not admit he was in the IRA, and murdered and tortured for years.. Get a life if you just wanna bash the Brits GROW A SET OFF BALLS AND SAY IT.. Where do you live by the way?? In the uk?? Pathetic thread, which is going to attract pathetic people | |||
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"strictly speaking the queen is an enemy of the state. The queen swore an oath on her coronation which she is duty bound to uphold but does not. This is treason. It isnt a small matter. Her oath is extremely constitutionally important and she should not be queen. "maybe she should be dealt with then   | |||
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"Pathetic thread, which is going to attract pathetic people" You just got to love irony lol.. | |||
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"Pathetic thread, which is going to attract pathetic people You just got to love irony lol.." Indeed............! | |||
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"Pathetic thread, which is going to attract pathetic people You just got to love irony lol.." Bit of irony as well here that there is not a thread on here about the irish government and the enquiry going on about there state forces collusion in killing 2 British policemen.. But hey ho let's live in Britain and not support our country from terrorist scum.. | |||
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"strictly speaking the queen is an enemy of the state. The queen swore an oath on her coronation which she is duty bound to uphold but does not. This is treason. It isnt a small matter. Her oath is extremely constitutionally important and she should not be queen.
maybe she should be dealt with then "Yes she should be dealt with. If you look into british law you would understand that a massive lie has been dealt to the british public. The queen swore an oath on coronation that she would uphold the LAW of god. which in the uk is common law. Police officers swear to serve the queen and uphold the law. What passes for law now is all acts and statutes, which by there own legal definition are not laws.
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"Was born in South Armagh better known to some as Bandit country left in 1989 still go back at least once a year to see family and friends but as long as ive a hole in my ass there will never be peace too many small minded people on both sides of divide!" Billy. | |||
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"Human rights is for all. Not just the IRA and the scum that sit in pubs and cheer when they murder a prison officer or British soldier..." ive never cheered anybody being killed if you look back up the thread youll see how i feel about anybody being murdered wether it be police army man woman child catholic or protestant i maybe an irish catholic but ive never been a bigot or sectarian i hate it in any shape or form | |||
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"And in walks ian paisleys love child ffs "Aye I walked in after you Gerry the murderers love child left the door open. So your living in uk, now let's just get this straight.. And you are a supporter of the IRA who kill British soldiers? You lift a drink in the pub every time a Brit soldier gets killed?? Please tell the truth..? | |||
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"Human rights is for all. Not just the IRA and the scum that sit in pubs and cheer when they murder a prison officer or British soldier... ive never cheered anybody being killed if you look back up the thread youll see how i feel about anybody being murdered wether it be police army man woman child catholic or protestant i maybe an irish catholic but ive never been a bigot or sectarian i hate it in any shape or form " Right right, looking back up the thread it wasn't you who mentioned paisleys love child then?? Right right.. Another one who is never wrong. | |||
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"just to hi jack this thread a min and ask;how do we feel about ; the deaths on the rock same thing in a way?peaple got what was comeing to them discuss" People got what was coming to them you say?? Interesting. My reply would be this.. Have a look at all the facts. We are talking here about an active IRA murder squad. So, got what was coming to them?? I really don't know what your saying or trying to support? Let's say it never happened the a week later an under car bomb went off on the rock and killed children holiday makers, and women, like at omagh. Oh and let me be very clear here for you, an active IRA murder squad when setting off an undercar bomb to kill British wont just kill kill women and children. It will be a bloodbath, with kids limbs ripped apart and scattered for miles. So let me get this clear. Are you trying to glorify murdering terrorists? Or just trying to cause tension and trouble. Take yourself off and have a look at the impact of war on ordinary people, and my point in this whole thread is that it affects both sides.. So have a good look at some facts of war and the devastation it causes on both sides before jumping on a band wagon of who was done the worst injustice. | |||
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"just to hi jack this thread a min and ask;how do we feel about ; the deaths on the rock same thing in a way?peaple got what was comeing to them discuss People got what was coming to them you say?? Interesting. My reply would be this.. Have a look at all the facts. We are talking here about an active IRA murder squad. So, got what was coming to them?? I really don't know what your saying or trying to support? Let's say it never happened the a week later an under car bomb went off on the rock and killed children holiday makers, and women, like at omagh. Oh and let me be very clear here for you, an active IRA murder squad when setting off an undercar bomb to kill British wont just kill kill women and children. It will be a bloodbath, with kids limbs ripped apart and scattered for miles. So let me get this clear. Are you trying to glorify murdering terrorists? Or just trying to cause tension and trouble. Take yourself off and have a look at the impact of war on ordinary people, and my point in this whole thread is that it affects both sides.. So have a good look at some facts of war and the devastation it causes on both sides before jumping on a band wagon of who was done the worst injustice. " Violence from whatever quarter solves nothing. I think the point being made about the Gib incident is that the suspects could heve been arrested and the courts would hve dceided on their guilt or innocence. Dont you see that is what sets normal folk apart frpm people who persue indiscriminate violence, which was purpertrated on Finucane.......a vicious circle that has to stop? That said we will eventually have to talk to the Taliban and the Shieits and all other people out there who feel that violence is the only way. The point of this thread was to ask if the goverment should be held accountable for its actions. | |||
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"just to hi jack this thread a min and ask;how do we feel about ; the deaths on the rock same thing in a way?peaple got what was comeing to them discuss People got what was coming to them you say?? Interesting. My reply would be this.. Have a look at all the facts. We are talking here about an active IRA murder squad. So, got what was coming to them?? I really don't know what your saying or trying to support? Let's say it never happened the a week later an under car bomb went off on the rock and killed children holiday makers, and women, like at omagh. Oh and let me be very clear here for you, an active IRA murder squad when setting off an undercar bomb to kill British wont just kill kill women and children. It will be a bloodbath, with kids limbs ripped apart and scattered for miles. So let me get this clear. Are you trying to glorify murdering terrorists? Or just trying to cause tension and trouble. Take yourself off and have a look at the impact of war on ordinary people, and my point in this whole thread is that it affects both sides.. So have a good look at some facts of war and the devastation it causes on both sides before jumping on a band wagon of who was done the worst injustice. " just saying how do you feel there human rights are the same as others according to some librals .I have no feelings one way or tother on this being anglo saxon and no ties to ni.i would agree if you take up arms as in live by the sword but it is the same thing killings done in the name of the state .do you not agree | |||
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"Human rights is for all. Not just the IRA and the scum that sit in pubs and cheer when they murder a prison officer or British soldier... ive never cheered anybody being killed if you look back up the thread youll see how i feel about anybody being murdered wether it be police army man woman child catholic or protestant i maybe an irish catholic but ive never been a bigot or sectarian i hate it in any shape or form Right right, looking back up the thread it wasn't you who mentioned paisleys love child then?? Right right.. Another one who is never wrong. " never wrong?? Im a bigot because i called you paisleys love child? If im a bigot them wee rants youve spun off must make you a bigger bigot than big ian himself...bore off with the live in uk ffs they dont even want youse ffs so stop runnin round rioting because your wee flags been brought down | |||
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"And in walks ian paisleys love child ffs
Aye I walked in after you Gerry the murderers love child left the door open. So your living in uk, now let's just get this straight.. And you are a supporter of the IRA who kill British soldiers? You lift a drink in the pub every time a Brit soldier gets killed?? Please tell the truth..?"oh and ive never supported the ira in my life...youse people tar everyone with the same brush every catholics an ira sympathiser..get a grip | |||
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"Pathetic thread, which is going to attract pathetic people You just got to love irony lol.. Bit of irony as well here that there is not a thread on here about the irish government and the enquiry going on about there state forces collusion in killing 2 British policemen.. But hey ho let's live in Britain and not support our country from terrorist scum.." i have my Queens shilling, did two tours late 70's and early 80's.. acting like the murderer's be they orange or green is not how a civilised society deals with what or whom someone perceives as a 'problem'.. we top him or her, they slot her or him and we all go to hell in a handcart.. if you cant see that then thats a bit sad fella.. 'we' the British by and large as a population are thankfully not at that level, imho.. | |||
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"that was indeed a defineing moment for most in the uk. this thing with the flag is just shit stiring " Irish reunification is merely a matter of time and not flying the Union Flag is a prelude to that start of that process. The world is not built around empires anymore. Humanity has technology enough available to help smaller collectives of peoples to hold their own on the world stage, and there are global organisations that protect the smaller states from rogue neighbours. If the Rep of Ireland wants to be unified with the North, and the majority in the North want it too (I'm not saying they do now, but they will one day) then who is the UK to go against Irish people wanting a unified island. | |||
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"Human rights is for all. Not just the IRA and the scum that sit in pubs and cheer when they murder a prison officer or British soldier... ive never cheered anybody being killed if you look back up the thread youll see how i feel about anybody being murdered wether it be police army man woman child catholic or protestant i maybe an irish catholic but ive never been a bigot or sectarian i hate it in any shape or form Right right, looking back up the thread it wasn't you who mentioned paisleys love child then?? Right right.. Another one who is never wrong. never wrong?? Im a bigot because i called you paisleys love child? If im a bigot them wee rants youve spun off must make you a bigger bigot than big ian himself...bore off with the live in uk ffs they dont even want youse ffs so stop runnin round rioting because your wee flags been brought down "What do you mean they don't even want youse ffs? Want me? I'm from Portsmouth sunshine?? Your not sectarian?? Ok course your not. And who mentioned the flag? Uneducated? | |||
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Aye I walked in after you Gerry the murderers love child left the door open. So your living in uk, now let's just get this straight.. And you are a supporter of the IRA who kill British soldiers? You lift a drink in the pub every time a Brit soldier gets killed?? Please tell the truth..?
oh and ive never supported the ira in my life...youse people tar everyone with the same brush every catholics an ira sympathiser..get a grip "Again... Youse people??? Do you mean someone who is not the same religion as you? Bigot? Sectarian? I'm from England, and thank who ever, not god, that I was brought up without a religion. Not doing yourself any favours... | |||
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"Pathetic thread, which is going to attract pathetic people You just got to love irony lol.. Bit of irony as well here that there is not a thread on here about the irish government and the enquiry going on about there state forces collusion in killing 2 British policemen.. But hey ho let's live in Britain and not support our country from terrorist scum.. i have my Queens shilling, did two tours late 70's and early 80's.. acting like the murderer's be they orange or green is not how a civilised society deals with what or whom someone perceives as a 'problem'.. we top him or her, they slot her or him and we all go to hell in a handcart.. if you cant see that then thats a bit sad fella.. 'we' the British by and large as a population are thankfully not at that level, imho.."  | |||
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"And in walks ian paisleys love child ffs
Aye I walked in after you Gerry the murderers love child left the door open. So your living in uk, now let's just get this straight.. And you are a supporter of the IRA who kill British soldiers? You lift a drink in the pub every time a Brit soldier gets killed?? Please tell the truth..?
oh and ive never supported the ira in my life...youse people tar everyone with the same brush every catholics an ira sympathiser..get a grip
Again... Youse people??? Do you mean someone who is not the same religion as you? Bigot? Sectarian? I'm from England, and thank who ever, not god, that I was brought up without a religion. Not doing yourself any favours..."i think youll find through this post on more than one occasion ive said i dont agree with the killings of people be they army psni prison officers man woman child catholic or protestant...i think the little rants youve had have been so anti republican and 1 sided its unbelievable..yet im a bigot? Wise up "sunshine" | |||
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"Belfast 1988. Two off duty British soldiers were dragged from their car and brutally tortured and murdered. And it was all captured on camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIP-aVfw13w So an IRA solicitor got murdered. So fookin what. What I saw unfold on TV that day left me sickened to my stomach and any sympathy I might have felt for victims of violence on the provos side evaporated absolutely and completely and it has never resurfaced. " Wishy i watched the helicam footage in an ops room, wearing the uniform of the Crown.. the guys were in the wrong place at the wrong time, many of us had taken others 'down the falls' en route to wherever ... on that day at that time they should not have been in that place with what was going on.. it was a fuck up for which they paid with their lives.. and it was disgusting to see.. someone with us actually said '12 for them the last one for me' being the standard 9mm carry.. most of us fully agreed.. and to be honest who knows how each of us would react in that situation, and if the two guys had have started dropping the crowd whether a qrf would have been sent in.. i still firmly believe that what happened to Finucane was totally and fundamentally wrong.. we are or should be above murderers and terrorists as 'a society', if we are at their level..they have won.. | |||
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"And in walks ian paisleys love child ffs
Aye I walked in after you Gerry the murderers love child left the door open. So your living in uk, now let's just get this straight.. And you are a supporter of the IRA who kill British soldiers? You lift a drink in the pub every time a Brit soldier gets killed?? Please tell the truth..?
oh and ive never supported the ira in my life...youse people tar everyone with the same brush every catholics an ira sympathiser..get a grip
Again... Youse people??? Do you mean someone who is not the same religion as you? Bigot? Sectarian? I'm from England, and thank who ever, not god, that I was brought up without a religion. Not doing yourself any favours...
i think youll find through this post on more than one occasion ive said i dont agree with the killings of people be they army psni prison officers man woman child catholic or protestant...i think the little rants youve had have been so anti republican and 1 sided its unbelievable..yet im a bigot?
Wise up "sunshine""Your entitled to your opinion sunshine. I don't need to argue with you anymore, your posts are there for everyone to see. | |||
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"And in walks ian paisleys love child ffs
Aye I walked in after you Gerry the murderers love child left the door open. So your living in uk, now let's just get this straight.. And you are a supporter of the IRA who kill British soldiers? You lift a drink in the pub every time a Brit soldier gets killed?? Please tell the truth..?
oh and ive never supported the ira in my life...youse people tar everyone with the same brush every catholics an ira sympathiser..get a grip
Again... Youse people??? Do you mean someone who is not the same religion as you? Bigot? Sectarian? I'm from England, and thank who ever, not god, that I was brought up without a religion. Not doing yourself any favours...
i think youll find through this post on more than one occasion ive said i dont agree with the killings of people be they army psni prison officers man woman child catholic or protestant...i think the little rants youve had have been so anti republican and 1 sided its unbelievable..yet im a bigot?
Wise up "sunshine""Sorry sorry, last one, couldn't resist, REPUBLICAN, as you mention. Just for everyone here, that would be the ones who planted another bomb in Belfast today.. | |||
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"Oh dear oh dear. Bit biased are we? Easy to see what side you are on. So Pat was not in the IRA himself then? Did not smuggle weapons in to IRA prisoners to KILL prison officers. What about KINGSMILLS? What about poor Jean mckonville? You no.. The poor mother of ten who Gerry Adams ordered to be DISSAPEARED?? Or as us decent human beings call MURDERED? Funny how Maskey and all IRA/seinn feiinn scum always want the Brits to apologise and always want the world to hear how bad the Brits are.. Yet there own leader still to this will not admit he was in the IRA, and murdered and tortured for years.. Get a life if you just wanna bash the Brits GROW A SET OFF BALLS AND SAY IT.. Where do you live by the way?? In the uk?? Pathetic thread, which is going to attract pathetic people" Yes i am which is all i was giving till you jumped in with the above like you said the quotes are there for all to see | |||
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"Belfast 1988. Two off duty British soldiers were dragged from their car and brutally tortured and murdered. And it was all captured on camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIP-aVfw13w So an IRA solicitor got murdered. So fookin what. What I saw unfold on TV that day left me sickened to my stomach and any sympathy I might have felt for victims of violence on the provos side evaporated absolutely and completely and it has never resurfaced. " Dear o Dear......? | |||
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"Belfast 1988. Two off duty British soldiers were dragged from their car and brutally tortured and murdered. And it was all captured on camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIP-aVfw13w So an IRA solicitor got murdered. So fookin what. What I saw unfold on TV that day left me sickened to my stomach and any sympathy I might have felt for victims of violence on the provos side evaporated absolutely and completely and it has never resurfaced. Wishy i watched the helicam footage in an ops room, wearing the uniform of the Crown.. the guys were in the wrong place at the wrong time, many of us had taken others 'down the falls' en route to wherever ... on that day at that time they should not have been in that place with what was going on.. it was a fuck up for which they paid with their lives.. and it was disgusting to see.. someone with us actually said '12 for them the last one for me' being the standard 9mm carry.. most of us fully agreed.. and to be honest who knows how each of us would react in that situation, and if the two guys had have started dropping the crowd whether a qrf would have been sent in.. i still firmly believe that what happened to Finucane was totally and fundamentally wrong.. we are or should be above murderers and terrorists as 'a society', if we are at their level..they have won.." You should run for office as you speak with assurance | |||
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"Belfast 1988. Two off duty British soldiers were dragged from their car and brutally tortured and murdered. And it was all captured on camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIP-aVfw13w So an IRA solicitor got murdered. So fookin what. What I saw unfold on TV that day left me sickened to my stomach and any sympathy I might have felt for victims of violence on the provos side evaporated absolutely and completely and it has never resurfaced. Dear o Dear......?" you know fuck all about the goings on in Northern Ireland!!!! | |||
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"..........you know fuck all about the goings on in Northern Ireland!!!!" If only they'd kept the goings on in Northern Ireland to Northern Ireland things might well have been different. Blow up a couple of weans in Warrington and don't be too surprised if your house of cards comes tumbling down around you ears. | |||
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"..........you know fuck all about the goings on in Northern Ireland!!!! If only they'd kept the goings on in Northern Ireland to Northern Ireland things might well have been different. Blow up a couple of weans in Warrington and don't be too surprised if your house of cards comes tumbling down around you ears." Don't talk shite that you know jack shit about! i was born and reared in South Armagh (Bandit country) and know what i saw and witnessed! | |||
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"..........you know fuck all about the goings on in Northern Ireland!!!! If only they'd kept the goings on in Northern Ireland to Northern Ireland things might well have been different. Blow up a couple of weans in Warrington and don't be too surprised if your house of cards comes tumbling down around you ears. Don't talk shite that you know jack shit about! i was born and reared in South Armagh (Bandit country) and know what i saw and witnessed!" Leaving aside my career in the Forces, I know the parents of Jonathan Ball, the younger of the children blown up in Warrington. I suggest YOU'RE the ones talking shite. | |||
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"..........you know fuck all about the goings on in Northern Ireland!!!! If only they'd kept the goings on in Northern Ireland to Northern Ireland things might well have been different. Blow up a couple of weans in Warrington and don't be too surprised if your house of cards comes tumbling down around you ears. Don't talk shite that you know jack shit about! i was born and reared in South Armagh (Bandit country) and know what i saw and witnessed! Leaving aside my career in the Forces, I know the parents of Jonathan Ball, the younger of the children blown up in Warrington. I suggest YOU'RE the ones talking shite." Oh! blow it out your ass its people like the parrys and balls that want to make money out of what happened! not interested in the facts! yes its sad kids got caught up in it! but wars war wether it be northern ireland, England ot Iraq! inocent people get hurt! you should know you're an ex service man!!!!!!! | |||
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" I suggest YOU'RE the ones talking shite. Oh! blow it out your ass its people like the parrys and balls that want to make money out of what happened! not interested in the facts! yes its sad kids got caught up in it! but wars war wether it be northern ireland, England ot Iraq! inocent people get hurt! you should know you're an ex service man!!!!!!!" You may be right about the Parry family. Jonathan's folks never made a dime out of their situation. | |||
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" I suggest YOU'RE the ones talking shite. Oh! blow it out your ass its people like the parrys and balls that want to make money out of what happened! not interested in the facts! yes its sad kids got caught up in it! but wars war wether it be northern ireland, England ot Iraq! inocent people get hurt! you should know you're an ex service man!!!!!!! You may be right about the Parry family. Jonathan's folks never made a dime out of their situation. " I suggest YOU'RE the ones talking shite. Oh! blow it out your ass its people like the parrys and balls that want to make money out of what happened! not interested in the facts! yes its sad kids got caught up in it! but wars war wether it be northern ireland, England ot Iraq! inocent people get hurt! you should know you're an ex service man!!!!!!! [quote Yeah yeah yeah course they didn't!But listen i'm not getting into an arguement with you! we BOTH KNOW things happened in N. Ireland that shouldn't have happened and as long as there are people on both sides of the divide who won't let things rest there will never be peace in what could be and is a very finiancial viable country! I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND NOTHING WOULD PLEASE ME MORE THAN TO SEE TOTAL REST, PEACE AND HARMONY ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DEVIDE! | |||
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