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Tom obviously missed this one. Essex police put out a warning not to give to homeless beggars in Chelmsford. Nearly all young men, bussed in as an organised gang. One was found to have £500, others that claimed disabled by bad back or feet suddenly recovered when challenged by the police.
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over a year ago
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And sharing this kind of things awful. I'd rather 9 out of 10 people I give money too were scamming so long as one needed it. It's pocket change. But a huge help to people who need it |
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"If a gang are sharing the money it's not going to amount to much .......
Or if the gang masters take all the the money off them and pay the beggars in smack, they do quite well."
That’s more like it. I arrived at Chelmsford station recently after a month away in France and Spain, fuck me! It was like walking into a horror movie, zombie like beggars approached us in the taxi queue. Scary. |
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Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me!  |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"And sharing this kind of things awful. I'd rather 9 out of 10 people I give money too were scamming so long as one needed it. It's pocket change. But a huge help to people who need it"
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me! "
But you've posted about people giving you cash, is that different? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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To be honest thos just feels unnecessary anti-homeless hating, I suspect most of the people posturing about how we should and shouldn't help the homeless just ignore them let alone help them.
Also if someone is homeless and I give them a tenner that they spend on drugs or booze, so what. Living on the streets is a miserable existence, if they want to obliterate that for a few hours, I understand that. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"To be honest thos just feels unnecessary anti-homeless hating, I suspect most of the people posturing about how we should and shouldn't help the homeless just ignore them let alone help them.
Also if someone is homeless and I give them a tenner that they spend on drugs or booze, so what. Living on the streets is a miserable existence, if they want to obliterate that for a few hours, I understand that. "
My thoughts entirely - if I want to give, I do so unconditionally even if what they do with my donation may seem not very sensible. |
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Personally I have pretty much lost all sympathy for the homeless.
Near where I work in London they feed the homeless daily, so daily we have to put up with urine running down he ramp in to our basement, there are 24/7 urinals about 200 yrds up the road.
You regularly see excrement on the pavement, in the road on shop and office steps.
Rotting foid everywhere as they just throw it out of their meals, so an increase in rats.
In the cold minths we have had property damaged and female staff attacked, so they can have a few nights in a cell, funny how they don't seem to attack men.
Just for kicks they also wipe their excrement on the handles of hire bikes and parked cars...
On top of that we have had a couple of murders and countless stabbings outside our building. |
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"To be honest thos just feels unnecessary anti-homeless hating, I suspect most of the people posturing about how we should and shouldn't help the homeless just ignore them let alone help them.
Also if someone is homeless and I give them a tenner that they spend on drugs or booze, so what. Living on the streets is a miserable existence, if they want to obliterate that for a few hours, I understand that.
My thoughts entirely - if I want to give, I do so unconditionally even if what they do with my donation may seem not very sensible. "
I’d rather not subsidise the drug industry by being part of it. |
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"To be honest thos just feels unnecessary anti-homeless hating, I suspect most of the people posturing about how we should and shouldn't help the homeless just ignore them let alone help them.
Also if someone is homeless and I give them a tenner that they spend on drugs or booze, so what. Living on the streets is a miserable existence, if they want to obliterate that for a few hours, I understand that. "
For most street homeless the issue is not lack of housing, it is addictions and mental health issues. By feeding these you are making their lives worse, whatever your intentions. |
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In a very small area of Hastings there are 73 children classed as homeless. Living in bed and breakfast or sofa surfing with their parent/s. That's at least 30 families if not more. They're being supported by a charity that works hard for the homeless population around here, without judgement. They provide food, clothes, tents, sleeping bags etc along with emotional support and if people find a home support them with household goods. They aren't all substance abusers, many are families escaping domestic abuse and other problems who have left their homes with nothing. |
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"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me!
But you've posted about people giving you cash, is that different?"
I've posted on here? |
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I'd only ever give a homeless person food if they asked me for a specific thing. There's nothing designed to erode pride more than removing choice around basic requirements such as food. The charity around here offers a choice of hot meals each day. |
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"I heard this between two homeless outside a supermarket after a person gave them some food
"I wish they would f??k off with the food and just give me money.""
Yeah I think I'd probably day that after the tenth cheese sandwich of the day |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me!
But you've posted about people giving you cash, is that different?
I've posted on here? "
Yes, in your many stories I'm certain tou have posted about accepting handouts and gifts? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"You can always guarantee that some people will blame the least fortunate in society for their predicament. "
Yes, a couple of the comments on here disgust me. It's definitely their fault and they are definitely greedy and selfish. Some people dint recognise that often the only difference between where they are and where those they judge are is good fortune and good luck
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"You can always guarantee that some people will blame the least fortunate in society for their predicament.
Yes, a couple of the comments on here disgust me. It's definitely their fault and they are definitely greedy and selfish. Some people dint recognise that often the only difference between where they are and where those they judge are is good fortune and good luck
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Bit these are not genuine Chelmsford homeless, they are bussed in from London.
Advice from the police was to support local homeless shelters or support centres which is a good idea. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"You can always guarantee that some people will blame the least fortunate in society for their predicament.
Yes, a couple of the comments on here disgust me. It's definitely their fault and they are definitely greedy and selfish. Some people dint recognise that often the only difference between where they are and where those they judge are is good fortune and good luck
Bit these are not genuine Chelmsford homeless, they are bussed in from London.
Advice from the police was to support local homeless shelters or support centres which is a good idea."
Out of interest do you support either?
But I struggle with the 'not genuine' argunent, if they are being bussed in to beg they must be vulnerable
Also, and importantly much of the vitriol on here, certainly from a couple if posters is very clearly directed at all homeless notbthe hypothetical fake ones |
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"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me!
But you've posted about people giving you cash, is that different?
I've posted on here?
Yes, in your many stories I'm certain tou have posted about accepting handouts and gifts?"
I've been street homeless many times and begged yes and I spent that money on my addiction, maybe a bar of chocolate. So that's no different but I know what they spend donations on so I can comment what I said. Best to give them food if you want to help.
Now I'm a backpacker I'm not an addict and I don't drink. I've never excepted hangouts unless I work for it. I've been sat outside a cafe with my backpack drinking coffee and people offer to buy me food and I decline. I'm a backpacker not homeless. It's a choice. Big difference. I have a YouTube channel and I have a PayPal.me on there and I've had donations from all over the world. One from California of $70  I messaged her saying if there's anything I could do to repay her but she said it was her thanking me for my content. I create content that people enjoy and make them feel happy and laugh. They bring hot to people and they want to support my travels and my channel. That's no different to the other YouTubers. I'm offering something in return. |
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"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me!
But you've posted about people giving you cash, is that different?
I've posted on here?
Yes, in your many stories I'm certain tou have posted about accepting handouts and gifts?
I've been street homeless many times and begged yes and I spent that money on my addiction, maybe a bar of chocolate. So that's no different but I know what they spend donations on so I can comment what I said. Best to give them food if you want to help.
Now I'm a backpacker I'm not an addict and I don't drink. I've never excepted hangouts unless I work for it. I've been sat outside a cafe with my backpack drinking coffee and people offer to buy me food and I decline. I'm a backpacker not homeless. It's a choice. Big difference. I have a YouTube channel and I have a PayPal.me on there and I've had donations from all over the world. One from California of $70 I messaged her saying if there's anything I could do to repay her but she said it was her thanking me for my content. I create content that people enjoy and make them feel happy and laugh. They bring hot to people and they want to support my travels and my channel. That's no different to the other YouTubers. I'm offering something in return. "
Joy not hot lol |
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"Bit these are not genuine Chelmsford homeless, they are bussed in from London."
Likely they are Eastern European Roma gypsies. I looked at the news report on this, a pic of a sign in broken English, and recognised it straight away. We get exactly the same thing here.
They are NOT homeless, and they are certainly NOT poor. They are organised criminals looking to exploit people's generosity. Don't get them a penny. Scumbags. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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I offer to get something they may want from a cafe/food store. I'd still not give them cash. I donate clothes and other items to homeless charities and animal rescues.
I want to know I'm helping somebody with a basic need, not helping fuel an addiction/luxury when at times I can't always pay for my own luxuries.
If I give what I can afford to person A then they go and spend it on luxury Y (which I may never know for certain that's what they did) but was unable to give to person B that would have actually spent it basic need Z - would piss me off to no end.
I'll never claim to be a Saint with what I do give, but I'm very much in the grey area - I'll help make sure you don't starve, but I won't completely and 100% selflessly put myself out either.
I choose how to give my own help in the way I want, for whatever reasons I choose to do so.
A large majority of the time I'm doing more than most and in a lot of cases much more to help than those pointing the finger telling me how I should or should not be providing help to the homeless. Not all but more than a few. |
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By *ocusMan
over a year ago
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"Tom obviously missed this one. Essex police put out a warning not to give to homeless beggars in Chelmsford. Nearly all young men, bussed in as an organised gang. One was found to have £500, others that claimed disabled by bad back or feet suddenly recovered when challenged by the police.
It’s NOT all over the news! "
Link? or is this from a friend of a friend? |
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Welcome to the decade of 2020. The decay of society.
It started way before then.
Connect the dots. And you will see it is only going to get worse.
A younger generation becoming more and more addicted to drink and drugs, Do realize that crime does pay.
Don't worry victims. You can still get you crime reference number. |
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"And sharing this kind of things awful. I'd rather 9 out of 10 people I give money too were scamming so long as one needed it. It's pocket change. But a huge help to people who need it"
Exactly my thoughts! Was in skipton last week was a homeless young man sat in an alley I got my purse out and my sister snatched it from me and walked of with it! Was very cross! She went on his not homeless x |
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It's a really difficult one this.
Whilst many who beg on the streets are homeless all in significant need There is no denying there are criminal gangs to operate and exploit these people.
Recently there was a man that used a bag in our local high road who was quite clearly physically disabled. He used to do quite well and get given quite a lot of money One day myself and my husband saw a car pull up, 2 young men got out went over and spoke to him he then handed the money over to them they got back in the car and he sat there and carried on. I was really concerned about this so contacted the police who said they are aware of gangs operating in the area and they will send an officer said to check on his welfare As these gangs exploit these people and they are normally kept in really horrendous conditions and put on the streets to beg by these horrific gangs. This is why I will only give food not money except to charities helping homeless people. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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Given how few people carry cash these days, and the amount of homekess in the streets, is anyone else struggling to think that begging may not be that lucrative?
I'm not seeing it is the high earningeasy money people are suggesting |
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Just like all tabloids, always highlighting the negative stories than concentrating on those in real need. I don't care, as someone said before. If it helps someone in need then so be it. That's what always happens whether beggars or people claiming benefits or the disabled, I am not intetestedin the few that work the system, let's show compassion to all those that need help and support.  |
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"Given how few people carry cash these days, and the amount of homekess in the streets, is anyone else struggling to think that begging may not be that lucrative?
I'm not seeing it is the high earningeasy money people are suggesting "
I genuinely hope I never have to find out.
we're lucky in that we have family who have our best interests at heart and vice versa. |
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"Given how few people carry cash these days, and the amount of homekess in the streets, is anyone else struggling to think that begging may not be that lucrative?
I'm not seeing it is the high earningeasy money people are suggesting "
I would disagree with that as you get beggars on the tube system.
One beggar can easily make 10 pounds in about 10 minutes on one tube. I have no problem helping someone who needs it however there is no denying that gangs operate and these poor people are exploited. |
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"Just like all tabloids, always highlighting the negative stories than concentrating on those in real need. I don't care, as someone said before. If it helps someone in need then so be it. That's what always happens whether beggars or people claiming benefits or the disabled, I am not intetestedin the few that work the system, let's show compassion to all those that need help and support. "
Yes.
Imagine if we spent this kind of energy going after high wealth tax dodging. |
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Which came first the person or the beggar?
Are you looking at a person ?
Are you looking at a human ?
No homeless person - no matter how much at fault they may be for their homelessness..... created the society we live in.
They are part of your society and how you view them is a mark of that society and all the people who live in it. |
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"Just like all tabloids, always highlighting the negative stories than concentrating on those in real need. I don't care, as someone said before. If it helps someone in need then so be it. That's what always happens whether beggars or people claiming benefits or the disabled, I am not intetestedin the few that work the system, let's show compassion to all those that need help and support.
Yes.
Imagine if we spent this kind of energy going after high wealth tax dodging."
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There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now. |
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now. "
Your 3rd point is probably the most important because what you are not understanding is no they don't keep any of the money and they are literally kept as prisoners in appalling conditions. |
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"Given how few people carry cash these days, and the amount of homekess in the streets, is anyone else struggling to think that begging may not be that lucrative?
I'm not seeing it is the high earningeasy money people are suggesting "
Very much agree with this. They can't have a contactless card machine next to their money tin. |
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now. "
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long. |
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long. "
I personally would prefer to lower the birth rate than start killing people, but killing off old people would probably be easier, and quicker. |
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
Your 3rd point is probably the most important because what you are not understanding is no they don't keep any of the money and they are literally kept as prisoners in appalling conditions."
No, on the contrary, I understand perfectly. I was playing devils advocate |
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long.
I personally would prefer to lower the birth rate than start killing people, but killing off old people would probably be easier, and quicker. "
Point is you lower the birth rate and you end up in a situation where we are right now. |
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long.
I personally would prefer to lower the birth rate than start killing people, but killing off old people would probably be easier, and quicker.
Point is you lower the birth rate and you end up in a situation where we are right now. "
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I volunteer the odd night at a homeless shelter.
It's an eye opener and the tales you hear go from heartbreaking to hilarious.
Working through the night gives a chance to have long chats with unlimited supply of tea and toast.
There is no one answer, some have fallen from grace, some born into failure and everywhere in between.
Some are fascinated with my life, some would love to swap, some not.
One said, just couldn't do with the planning and "strict rules", never quite got down to what these strict rules were.
If anyone thinks there is a silver bullet, dream on.
Go and give a few Saturday nights at your local hostel.
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"And sharing this kind of things awful. I'd rather 9 out of 10 people I give money too were scamming so long as one needed it. It's pocket change. But a huge help to people who need it"
I don't believe this post is about the homeless, it is clearly about scammers.
Which makes me wonder why sharing the information supplied by the police is awful?
Giving money to scammers is not ideal It encourages more scamming activity and aggression towards those who don't simply pay up.
Obviously I'm taking the story on face value, that there are scammers working the streets of Chelmsford.
The homeless debate is a whole different conversation and reading through the comments, one that probably wouldn't not go well.
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long.
I personally would prefer to lower the birth rate than start killing people, but killing off old people would probably be easier, and quicker.
Point is you lower the birth rate and you end up in a situation where we are right now.
You think parliament is going to pass a law to kill of old people? They might release a deadly virus into the population but they ain’t gonna build death camps like the Germans did "
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"And sharing this kind of things awful. I'd rather 9 out of 10 people I give money too were scamming so long as one needed it. It's pocket change. But a huge help to people who need it"
My exact argument when people question it.
A qeirdly large proportion find it easy to dehumanise people and pretend it's because of stuff like this that they wont help out.
The normal thing is I'd rather buy them food or water so they can't buy drugs..... always ask them the last time they did this. Surprisingly its rarely a recent thing or they suddenly cant remember |
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long.
I personally would prefer to lower the birth rate than start killing people, but killing off old people would probably be easier, and quicker.
Point is you lower the birth rate and you end up in a situation where we are right now.
You think parliament is going to pass a law to kill of old people? They might release a deadly virus into the population but they ain’t gonna build death camps like the Germans did "
They don't need to pass a law. Declining standards and underfunding of social care and an over stretched NHS will do it for them |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long.
I personally would prefer to lower the birth rate than start killing people, but killing off old people would probably be easier, and quicker.
Point is you lower the birth rate and you end up in a situation where we are right now.
You think parliament is going to pass a law to kill of old people? They might release a deadly virus into the population but they ain’t gonna build death camps like the Germans did
They don't need to pass a law. Declining standards and underfunding of social care and an over stretched NHS will do it for them"
Sadly this is so true and happening today. |
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long.
I personally would prefer to lower the birth rate than start killing people, but killing off old people would probably be easier, and quicker.
Point is you lower the birth rate and you end up in a situation where we are right now.
You think parliament is going to pass a law to kill of old people? They might release a deadly virus into the population but they ain’t gonna build death camps like the Germans did
They don't need to pass a law. Declining standards and underfunding of social care and an over stretched NHS will do it for them"
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long.
I personally would prefer to lower the birth rate than start killing people, but killing off old people would probably be easier, and quicker.
Point is you lower the birth rate and you end up in a situation where we are right now.
You think parliament is going to pass a law to kill of old people? They might release a deadly virus into the population but they ain’t gonna build death camps like the Germans did
They don't need to pass a law. Declining standards and underfunding of social care and an over stretched NHS will do it for them"
I get your point, but it clearly isn’t. The growing global population is an issue that only the Chinese government has had the balls to try and tackle. It’s a hot potato of a subject that no western government will go anywhere near until it’s too late |
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Hans Rosling did a thing about over population. Think his take was that birth rates will decline as living standards go up and the global population would likely stay steady.
That was a few years ago. Don't know how the pandemic etc. may have affected his thoughts. |
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"Tom obviously missed this one. Essex police put out a warning not to give to homeless beggars in Chelmsford. Nearly all young men, bussed in as an organised gang. One was found to have £500, others that claimed disabled by bad back or feet suddenly recovered when challenged by the police.
It’s NOT all over the news! "
Meh. Normal in London. Saw it when I live in Nottingham....I gave/give them food. One day I was out when it was absolutely freezing and I saw this man just sitting there. I went and got two miso soups. One for me and one for him. He took it gladly. I'm on a low income so all of my money is tracked so I can't give it away willy nilly. |
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long.
I personally would prefer to lower the birth rate than start killing people, but killing off old people would probably be easier, and quicker.
Point is you lower the birth rate and you end up in a situation where we are right now.
You think parliament is going to pass a law to kill of old people? They might release a deadly virus into the population but they ain’t gonna build death camps like the Germans did
They don't need to pass a law. Declining standards and underfunding of social care and an over stretched NHS will do it for them
I get your point, but it clearly isn’t. The growing global population is an issue that only the Chinese government has had the balls to try and tackle. It’s a hot potato of a subject that no western government will go anywhere near until it’s too late "
And they have now started paying people to have 2 children as they have an aging population and not enough working age people. |
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"You can always guarantee that some people will blame the least fortunate in society for their predicament.
Drugs are a choice. "
Not always. Some are forced.
Also, maybe initially a choice, once addictions take hold rational decision making is no longer a luxury.
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Drugs are a choice. "
Do you truly believe that its 100% a free choice and there is nothing else to it.
If you look at true addicts, the people who cannot get by without scoring, do you think they are evenly spread across the background and financial upbringing they have had ? Let's split them into four sections of uprbinging, Homeless, working class, middle class, and Upper class.
Do you think it's roughly 25% of each represented in drug addiction. If the answer is no then there is clearly more to it |
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"You can always guarantee that some people will blame the least fortunate in society for their predicament.
Drugs are a choice.
Not always. Some are forced.
Also, maybe initially a choice, once addictions take hold rational decision making is no longer a luxury.
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Drugs/choice is a Gen X rhetoric from the 80s war on drugs. I don't argue with them it was a different time and they are set in their ways now. |
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"You can always guarantee that some people will blame the least fortunate in society for their predicament.
Drugs are a choice. "
Drugs aren't the cause of people being poor in every or even the majority of cases  |
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"You can always guarantee that some people will blame the least fortunate in society for their predicament.
Drugs are a choice.
Drugs aren't the cause of people being poor in every or even the majority of cases "
I genuinely think the people that believe you are only poor if it's your own fault because you smoke or tank drugs do so because then they feel it can never happen to them.
The vast majority of people in this country are 2.5 paychecks away from being homeless. People's situations can change drastically due to things like illness or relationship breakdown. |
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Drugs are a choice.
Do you truly believe that its 100% a free choice and there is nothing else to it.
If you look at true addicts, the people who cannot get by without scoring, do you think they are evenly spread across the background and financial upbringing they have had ? Let's split them into four sections of uprbinging, Homeless, working class, middle class, and Upper class.
Do you think it's roughly 25% of each represented in drug addiction. If the answer is no then there is clearly more to it "
I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed. |
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"Tom obviously missed this one. Essex police put out a warning not to give to homeless beggars in Chelmsford. Nearly all young men, bussed in as an organised gang. One was found to have £500, others that claimed disabled by bad back or feet suddenly recovered when challenged by the police.
It’s NOT all over the news! "
Well I’ll be checking ID’s of all the homeless people I donate huge charitable gifts to… I’ll write them cheques from now on or do a digital funds transfer- no more cash!!! I’ll also require a proper receipt for accounting purposes!! |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed."
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial? |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?"
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either. |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either. "
Not 100% but Gen X is 1960 on Gen Z is 1980 on and millennials are 2000 on - thats the gist of it as far as i know. Years might be off but roughly. |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either.
Not 100% but Gen X is 1960 on Gen Z is 1980 on and millennials are 2000 on - thats the gist of it as far as i know. Years might be off but roughly. "
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either.
Not 100% but Gen X is 1960 on Gen Z is 1980 on and millennials are 2000 on - thats the gist of it as far as i know. Years might be off but roughly. "
It's Gen X after boomers and up to approx 1980.
Millennials 1981-1996 (also known as Gen Y)
Gen Z - 1997-2012 ish
After 2012 - Gen Alpha |
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I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
Information courtesy of Google:
Boomers those born 1946 to 1964
GEN X those born 1965 to 1980.
Millenials those born 1981 to 1996.
Gen Z those born 1996 to 2012.
Gen Alpha those born after 2012.
Being born in a different generation effects the majority of that generations view on drugs, music, culture, etc.
A minority keeps up with trends and the changes in modern society and they adapt, evolve, and stay relevant.
Everyone else....gets canceled the older they get because their views are no longer relevant. |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either.
Not 100% but Gen X is 1960 on Gen Z is 1980 on and millennials are 2000 on - thats the gist of it as far as i know. Years might be off but roughly.
And how do you cancel someone? "
you start a social media witch hunt to destroy their lives. |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either.
Not 100% but Gen X is 1960 on Gen Z is 1980 on and millennials are 2000 on - thats the gist of it as far as i know. Years might be off but roughly.
And how do you cancel someone? "
Or my current favourite....you compare them to lettuce on Twitter, newspapers, Instagram, Facebook and Snapchat and hound them out of office.
The Conservative old boys club strikes again but in a very modern way. |
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"Tom obviously missed this one. Essex police put out a warning not to give to homeless beggars in Chelmsford. Nearly all young men, bussed in as an organised gang. One was found to have £500, others that claimed disabled by bad back or feet suddenly recovered when challenged by the police.
It’s NOT all over the news! "
1. Well it is in the news. Google it and you will see.
2. It's nothing new really. Been going on a long time in lots of places although perhaps new in Chelmsford.
3. Always best to offer homeless people food or a hot drink rather than money. If they are scamming for money they will refuse but you can still be a good citizen helping others.
4. Most people homeless are not in this category.
5. Surprise surprise another negative thread from Seb. You really are a bundle of joy and happiness. One day you will start a positive thread on something to do with foreigners, the poor etc. Yeah right.... |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either.
Not 100% but Gen X is 1960 on Gen Z is 1980 on and millennials are 2000 on - thats the gist of it as far as i know. Years might be off but roughly.
And how do you cancel someone?
Or my current favourite....you compare them to lettuce on Twitter, newspapers, Instagram, Facebook and Snapchat and hound them out of office.
The Conservative old boys club strikes again but in a very modern way."
Ahhhhh democracy - vote for who you want and a small amount of people will correct your decision if you ‘got it wrong!’ |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either.
Not 100% but Gen X is 1960 on Gen Z is 1980 on and millennials are 2000 on - thats the gist of it as far as i know. Years might be off but roughly.
And how do you cancel someone?
Or my current favourite....you compare them to lettuce on Twitter, newspapers, Instagram, Facebook and Snapchat and hound them out of office.
The Conservative old boys club strikes again but in a very modern way."
It seems to me that those who get cancelled are being paid, in debt or are sponsored by corp and big business.
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either.
Not 100% but Gen X is 1960 on Gen Z is 1980 on and millennials are 2000 on - thats the gist of it as far as i know. Years might be off but roughly.
And how do you cancel someone?
Or my current favourite....you compare them to lettuce on Twitter, newspapers, Instagram, Facebook and Snapchat and hound them out of office.
The Conservative old boys club strikes again but in a very modern way."
I didn't understand all the lettuce memes popping up on Facebook. |
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By *ttmcdguyTV/TS
over a year ago
Milton Keynes |
1 of the saddest things I’ve ever seen in my life about 25 years ago I was working in central London I got there very early in the morning about 4-5 am
So went looking for somewhere to get a coffee
I walked past the shop door ways every single 1 had several people sleeping in
Until I got to 1 doorway and a little girl snuggled up next to her brother in between there mum and dad
Horrible sight that will haunt me for rest of my life
And for the record I put £20 in the mums pocket
I very much doubt it was used for drink or drugs !!!
Not all homeless are stereotypical!! |
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"Tom obviously missed this one. Essex police put out a warning not to give to homeless beggars in Chelmsford. Nearly all young men, bussed in as an organised gang. One was found to have £500, others that claimed disabled by bad back or feet suddenly recovered when challenged by the police.
It’s NOT all over the news!
1. Well it is in the news. Google it and you will see.
2. It's nothing new really. Been going on a long time in lots of places although perhaps new in Chelmsford.
3. Always best to offer homeless people food or a hot drink rather than money. If they are scamming for money they will refuse but you can still be a good citizen helping others.
4. Most people homeless are not in this category.
5. Surprise surprise another negative thread from Seb. You really are a bundle of joy and happiness. One day you will start a positive thread on something to do with foreigners, the poor etc. Yeah right...."
lol! I mean at that age I think Seb has earned the right to be grumpy...lol! I hope to be sitting on my verandah in the tropics at that age and going to the knitting circle. However, I know for some people the drive is too strong. My drive is tanking at 40 so I can only imagine it will be extinct by 64.
My Boomer parents can be grumpy...it's just that I live 4000 miles away from them so I don't have to hear their complaints all day every day. Lol! |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either.
Not 100% but Gen X is 1960 on Gen Z is 1980 on and millennials are 2000 on - thats the gist of it as far as i know. Years might be off but roughly.
And how do you cancel someone?
Or my current favourite....you compare them to lettuce on Twitter, newspapers, Instagram, Facebook and Snapchat and hound them out of office.
The Conservative old boys club strikes again but in a very modern way.
Ahhhhh democracy - vote for who you want and a small amount of people will correct your decision if you ‘got it wrong!’ "
Luckily I didn't vote for this current party so no shame there but I'll never say a bad word about David Cameron again. Lol!  |
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"And sharing this kind of things awful. I'd rather 9 out of 10 people I give money too were scamming so long as one needed it. It's pocket change. But a huge help to people who need it"
Exactly this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
Information courtesy of Google:
Boomers those born 1946 to 1964
GEN X those born 1965 to 1980.
Millenials those born 1981 to 1996.
Gen Z those born 1996 to 2012.
Gen Alpha those born after 2012.
Being born in a different generation effects the majority of that generations view on drugs, music, culture, etc.
A minority keeps up with trends and the changes in modern society and they adapt, evolve, and stay relevant.
Everyone else....gets canceled the older they get because their views are no longer relevant."
Understand the generations I do not believe in pigeon holeing people simply because of when they were born. |
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I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
I'm glad you said that cause I haven't got a clue either.
Not 100% but Gen X is 1960 on Gen Z is 1980 on and millennials are 2000 on - thats the gist of it as far as i know. Years might be off but roughly.
And how do you cancel someone?
Or my current favourite....you compare them to lettuce on Twitter, newspapers, Instagram, Facebook and Snapchat and hound them out of office.
The Conservative old boys club strikes again but in a very modern way.
It seems to me that those who get cancelled are being paid, in debt or are sponsored by corp and big business.
You can't cancel those who are not reliant on others"
Short of a hermit who lives in the middle of nowhere that is very hard to get to.. Everyone is reliant on each other.
When social media determines to hunt you down, you are in big trouble. They have done this to people who are not in media as a public figure.
Ordinary people who make one wrong move and it ends up trending on Twitter.
They find out where you work, who your family are and where you like to buy coffee. The more sinister elements hack all of your online presence.
You can't say what you like anymore. I even had my telephone conversations recorded with government bodies so they had to be very mindful of what they said and did. One wrong move and it's on Twitter forever. |
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"I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
Information courtesy of Google:
Boomers those born 1946 to 1964
GEN X those born 1965 to 1980.
Millenials those born 1981 to 1996.
Gen Z those born 1996 to 2012.
Gen Alpha those born after 2012.
Being born in a different generation effects the majority of that generations view on drugs, music, culture, etc.
A minority keeps up with trends and the changes in modern society and they adapt, evolve, and stay relevant.
Everyone else....gets canceled the older they get because their views are no longer relevant.
Understand the generations I do not believe in pigeon holeing people simply because of when they were born. "
They pigeonhole themselves by saying unwarranted opinions like "Drugs are a choice"
I like avocados...that pigeonholes me as a Millenial and not someone who actually has parents with a giant avocado tree in their garden....
I'm off to bed. Time for my stressed middle-aged Millenial sedative-induced rest. Yup I chose to take sedatives...if I didn't I'm sure the GP would chose to get me sectioned so....I chose the lesser of two evils. Sedatives or section? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I dont udnerstsnd this at all? Who's Gen X and Z and millennial?
Information courtesy of Google:
Boomers those born 1946 to 1964
GEN X those born 1965 to 1980.
Millenials those born 1981 to 1996.
Gen Z those born 1996 to 2012.
Gen Alpha those born after 2012.
Being born in a different generation effects the majority of that generations view on drugs, music, culture, etc.
A minority keeps up with trends and the changes in modern society and they adapt, evolve, and stay relevant.
Everyone else....gets canceled the older they get because their views are no longer relevant.
Understand the generations I do not believe in pigeon holeing people simply because of when they were born.
They pigeonhole themselves by saying unwarranted opinions like "Drugs are a choice"
I like avocados...that pigeonholes me as a Millenial and not someone who actually has parents with a giant avocado tree in their garden....
I'm off to bed. Time for my stressed middle-aged Millenial sedative-induced rest. Yup I chose to take sedatives...if I didn't I'm sure the GP would chose to get me sectioned so....I chose the lesser of two evils. Sedatives or section?"
But that's not logical and no people have not pigeonholed themselves people like you do that for them. My husband likes avocado and he is not a millennial. |
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"Given how few people carry cash these days, and the amount of homekess in the streets, is anyone else struggling to think that begging may not be that lucrative?
I'm not seeing it is the high earningeasy money people are suggesting
Very much agree with this. They can't have a contactless card machine next to their money tin."
Actually some do.
One was eventually followed by the press as he was hassling people in Mayfair, he was begging Monday to Friday and then travelling out of London to his flat, he went to prison if I remember correctly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The real issue is why there are so many veterans on the streets,that is a disgusting example of our society and a betrayal of the sacrifice they have made.
Yes many are addicted now to drugs and drink but that's a coping mechanism for the mental health issues that haunt them. |
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Totally agree with the thread above about our veterans. With regards to organised groups. They’ve turned up here. Every year about the same time. They sit with written boards asking for money. They can’t speak English and are picked up at the end of every day by van . |
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"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me! "
If they need drugs to deal with living on the streets they can buy drugs with my money. It's money I've deemed as excess to my lifestyle. I don't give to control what they spend it on. Homeless drug addicts who finance their habit through begging are not the problem. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me!
If they need drugs to deal with living on the streets they can buy drugs with my money. It's money I've deemed as excess to my lifestyle. I don't give to control what they spend it on. Homeless drug addicts who finance their habit through begging are not the problem. "
That sounds like you're giving to make yourself feel better, not help them. |
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By *riel13Woman
over a year ago
Northampton |
"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me!
If they need drugs to deal with living on the streets they can buy drugs with my money. It's money I've deemed as excess to my lifestyle. I don't give to control what they spend it on. Homeless drug addicts who finance their habit through begging are not the problem.
That sounds like you're giving to make yourself feel better, not help them. "
Why? Why do you give to charity? Assuming you do |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me!
If they need drugs to deal with living on the streets they can buy drugs with my money. It's money I've deemed as excess to my lifestyle. I don't give to control what they spend it on. Homeless drug addicts who finance their habit through begging are not the problem.
That sounds like you're giving to make yourself feel better, not help them.
Why? Why do you give to charity? Assuming you do"
Giving money to addicts to buy drugs is not charity. |
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"Tom obviously missed this one. Essex police put out a warning not to give to homeless beggars in Chelmsford. Nearly all young men, bussed in as an organised gang. One was found to have £500, others that claimed disabled by bad back or feet suddenly recovered when challenged by the police.
It’s NOT all over the news!
1. Well it is in the news. Google it and you will see.
2. It's nothing new really. Been going on a long time in lots of places although perhaps new in Chelmsford.
3. Always best to offer homeless people food or a hot drink rather than money. If they are scamming for money they will refuse but you can still be a good citizen helping others.
4. Most people homeless are not in this category.
5. Surprise surprise another negative thread from Seb. You really are a bundle of joy and happiness. One day you will start a positive thread on something to do with foreigners, the poor etc. Yeah right....
lol! I mean at that age I think Seb has earned the right to be grumpy...lol! I hope to be sitting on my verandah in the tropics at that age and going to the knitting circle. However, I know for some people the drive is too strong. My drive is tanking at 40 so I can only imagine it will be extinct by 64.
My Boomer parents can be grumpy...it's just that I live 4000 miles away from them so I don't have to hear their complaints all day every day. Lol!"
I simply highlighted a scam that was reported by the police just a few weeks after I had a frightening experience. How on earth is that being grumpy?
I too remember thinking that I would burn out when in my forties and growing old was not on the agenda. I’m still going strong thank you and the last twenty or so years seemed to pass very quickly. |
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"There is one constant in the whole homeless situation. Nobody ever agrees on what the best course of action is.
1. Just buy them food. How many cheese burgers can you eat in a day? They also need clothes etc so just buying food is only helping part of their problems
2. I don’t care if they buy drugs. Have these people lived with drug addiction? And the money ultimately ends up in the pocket of some multimillionaire who’s responsible for multiple deaths. Drug addicts need help, not more drugs
3. I don’t care if I’ve given money to gangs as long as sone of the money I’ve given goes to people who need it. The trouble with this is, the more money the gangs make, the more they will flood the streets with their victims and then even less money goes to those who need it.
If you really want to help the homeless, stop breeding. Stop having kids. The global population increases by over 80 million a year. On top of the extra mouths to feed, that’s an extra 20 million homes. More rain forests cut down to grow food, more energy needed to move those people about and to keep them warm/cool.
Soon it won’t matter what we do to feed the homeless, because they won’t be a tiny minority anymore. By 2050 they will be 10 billion people on the planet. That’s nearly half as many again as there was at the start of this century. Close to 20 billion by 2100. That’s nearly 3 times what we have
now.
You have also misunderstood the population problem that we have and that is not for people to stop having children if we are going to be honest about it's for people to stop living so long.
I personally would prefer to lower the birth rate than start killing people, but killing off old people would probably be easier, and quicker.
Point is you lower the birth rate and you end up in a situation where we are right now.
You think parliament is going to pass a law to kill of old people? They might release a deadly virus into the population but they ain’t gonna build death camps like the Germans did
They don't need to pass a law. Declining standards and underfunding of social care and an over stretched NHS will do it for them
I get your point, but it clearly isn’t. The growing global population is an issue that only the Chinese government has had the balls to try and tackle. It’s a hot potato of a subject that no western government will go anywhere near until it’s too late
And they have now started paying people to have 2 children as they have an aging population and not enough working age people. "
The working age can be changed, but that only affects part of the financial aspect of a growing population. An extra billion meals a day requires a lot of farmland to produce. And an extras 250 million homes requires a lot of greenbelt land to build on. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"Given how few people carry cash these days, and the amount of homekess in the streets, is anyone else struggling to think that begging may not be that lucrative?
I'm not seeing it is the high earningeasy money people are suggesting
Very much agree with this. They can't have a contactless card machine next to their money tin.
Actually some do.
One was eventually followed by the press as he was hassling people in Mayfair, he was begging Monday to Friday and then travelling out of London to his flat, he went to prison if I remember correctly. "
This os one high profile case, Google suggests there's been one other similar case in Brighton.
They're not typical and in the case yiu mention he's a conman |
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"You can always guarantee that some people will blame the least fortunate in society for their predicament.
Drugs are a choice.
Not always. Some are forced.
Also, maybe initially a choice, once addictions take hold rational decision making is no longer a luxury.
Drugs/choice is a Gen X rhetoric from the 80s war on drugs. I don't argue with them it was a different time and they are set in their ways now."
'They' change with the times.
There's no place for stereotyping because of the minority that don't. |
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"And sharing this kind of things awful. I'd rather 9 out of 10 people I give money too were scamming so long as one needed it. It's pocket change. But a huge help to people who need it"
This. The fact that some beggars are scammers doesn’t mean they all are. |
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"Tom obviously missed this one. Essex police put out a warning not to give to homeless beggars in Chelmsford. Nearly all young men, bussed in as an organised gang. One was found to have £500, others that claimed disabled by bad back or feet suddenly recovered when challenged by the police.
It’s NOT all over the news!
1. Well it is in the news. Google it and you will see.
2. It's nothing new really. Been going on a long time in lots of places although perhaps new in Chelmsford.
3. Always best to offer homeless people food or a hot drink rather than money. If they are scamming for money they will refuse but you can still be a good citizen helping others.
4. Most people homeless are not in this category.
5. Surprise surprise another negative thread from Seb. You really are a bundle of joy and happiness. One day you will start a positive thread on something to do with foreigners, the poor etc. Yeah right...."
I am indeed a bundle of joy and happiness. Thank you. |
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"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me!
If they need drugs to deal with living on the streets they can buy drugs with my money. It's money I've deemed as excess to my lifestyle. I don't give to control what they spend it on. Homeless drug addicts who finance their habit through begging are not the problem.
That sounds like you're giving to make yourself feel better, not help them. "
I'm giving because I can. I dint care what they spend it on. Once the gift leave my hand I have no say over what happens to it. |
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By *riel13Woman
over a year ago
Northampton |
"Yoibshould never give the homeless money anyway! Why are you giving it to them? To buy food? Then buy them food. 9 times out of 10 that money will be spent on drugs or alcohol so you're making the problem worse. Buy them food and chat to them while they eat it, that's the best thing you can do for them. Just stopping and chatting, acknowledging them means a lot, trust me!
If they need drugs to deal with living on the streets they can buy drugs with my money. It's money I've deemed as excess to my lifestyle. I don't give to control what they spend it on. Homeless drug addicts who finance their habit through begging are not the problem.
That sounds like you're giving to make yourself feel better, not help them.
Why? Why do you give to charity? Assuming you do
Giving money to addicts to buy drugs is not charity."
I didn't say it was... I assumed as you don't give directly to the homeless you gave to charities instead |
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"The real issue is why there are so many veterans on the streets,that is a disgusting example of our society and a betrayal of the sacrifice they have made.
Yes many are addicted now to drugs and drink but that's a coping mechanism for the mental health issues that haunt them."
Thank you; most veterans cope well with the transition to civilian life even if they have had really grim experiences but unsurprisingly some struggle to cope with civilian life after years of military life which is very different in many ways, quite apart from coping with PTSD and other mental problems. A depressingly large proportion of those on the streets are veterans, even though only a small number of veterans end up homeless; I hope that Johnny Mercer can do something for them now he is back in a position of ministerial responsibility for veterans. |
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Coincidentaly got chatting to somebody outside the Holiday Inn hotel tonight who it turns out had just been "rescued" off the streets as he put it. Been homeless and living in the park for a while and with mental issues. Social services put him in Holiday Inn for four nights while they try to figure out a plan. He said he never begged for money - rather he asks for food and drinks which seems much more sensible. Overall he was a really decent pleasant articulate guy. Hope he finds a way back on his feet. |
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Drugs are a choice.
Do you truly believe that its 100% a free choice and there is nothing else to it.
If you look at true addicts, the people who cannot get by without scoring, do you think they are evenly spread across the background and financial upbringing they have had ? Let's split them into four sections of uprbinging, Homeless, working class, middle class, and Upper class.
Do you think it's roughly 25% of each represented in drug addiction. If the answer is no then there is clearly more to it
I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed."
I truly don’t know if I’ve been given an algebra question, a round of Wordle or passed the solution to the country’s homeless problem in cryptic code. Im only 52 and feel I’ve been ‘cancelled’ by a bunch of letters ffs |
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Drugs are a choice.
Do you truly believe that its 100% a free choice and there is nothing else to it.
If you look at true addicts, the people who cannot get by without scoring, do you think they are evenly spread across the background and financial upbringing they have had ? Let's split them into four sections of uprbinging, Homeless, working class, middle class, and Upper class.
Do you think it's roughly 25% of each represented in drug addiction. If the answer is no then there is clearly more to it
I'm a too-old Millenial to be arguing with Gen X. I haven't for the energy in my mid life. I leave that to the youth, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Gen X and previous generations are now set in their ways.
Once Gen Z takes over and cancels a lot of them. I will be content to sip my tea in a rocking chair on the verandah, mind my business and keep my old-ass outdated opinions to myself unless pressed.
I truly don’t know if I’ve been given an algebra question, a round of Wordle or passed the solution to the country’s homeless problem in cryptic code. Im only 52 and feel I’ve been ‘cancelled’ by a bunch of letters ffs"
Maybe this should be an option on swinging profiles:
Would you meet (tick those appropriate):
Gen x
Gen Z
Gen Alpha
Millenials
Anybody with a pulse
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