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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? |
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There is a LOT of paperwork involved, does it tie officers down a bit too much? Absolutely.
Of course, it’s often in vain when the CPS say there’s not enough evidence but that’s a different story. |
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over a year ago
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Remember working the doors about 10 years ago having a conversation with a young Officer.
He was called to a disturbance in the pub I was Head Doorman in.
Whist taking my statement, he stated he was heading back to the station with this guy we had evicted to book him in. The paperwork would more or less take up the rest of his shift.
I still had 3 hours to go in the frontline whilst he was bored senseless filling in paperwork that should only take 10 minutes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not sure about red tape but they are a sector which is underpaid and undervalued trying to carry out duties when the sector is seriously underfunded and with so many Officers leaving because of the effect on mental health is all having an impact
Other people don't have has to put up with such abuse and disrespect in their career yet Police are expected too
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
I think like all sectors the chronic underfunding makes their job incredibly difficult.
But the service is corrupt, its institutionally racist, its misogynistic, it's homophobic, I'm not sure how you fix that. Not all coppers are bad but it's way more than a few bad apples.
I'm an organisation where a man who subsequently murders a women is known by his colleagues as the r@pist, the culture is rotten.
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Remember working the doors about 10 years ago having a conversation with a young Officer.
He was called to a disturbance in the pub I was Head Doorman in.
Whist taking my statement, he stated he was heading back to the station with this guy we had evicted to book him in. The paperwork would more or less take up the rest of his shift.
I still had 3 hours to go in the frontline whilst he was bored senseless filling in paperwork that should only take 10 minutes "
The guy had been arrested, why should paperwork only take 10 minutes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think like all sectors the chronic underfunding makes their job incredibly difficult.
But the service is corrupt, its institutionally racist, its misogynistic, it's homophobic, I'm not sure how you fix that. Not all coppers are bad but it's way more than a few bad apples.
I'm an organisation where a man who subsequently murders a women is known by his colleagues as the r@pist, the culture is rotten.
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This is my stance. It’s rotten from the top to the very bottom and no amount of reform will ever change that. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"I don't think fearing the police is ever a good thing.
Nor accountability or justification.
Have we seriously already forgotten?"
Fearing the police is abhorrent.
They are public servants paid to serve and protect. Fear has no place in that.
The conversation should be around respect and why they aren't respected not whether they should be feared |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't think fearing the police is ever a good thing.
Nor accountability or justification.
Have we seriously already forgotten?
Fearing the police is abhorrent.
They are public servants paid to serve and protect. Fear has no place in that.
The conversation should be around respect and why they aren't respected not whether they should be feared "
This.
Respected, funded & flushed of the abhorrent corrupt_& unacceptable top/middle management downwards culture. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? "
I suppose we'd prefer them to have zero paper trail or accountability then for the actions they take.
Not that it often helps when they do wrongfully arrest, assault or murder a civilian but it's something at least that there is a record.
In terms of Stop and Search, it's only right that they have a proper reason and don't just use it on the basis of racist assumptions.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So they should think twice before stopping and searching people too.
Lol. They have to be held accountable otherwise what’s the point in them? Literally an unregulated police force sounds like what I imagine hell to be like. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If you look at the Met Police, they are too preoccupied with committing crimes than preventing or solving them, so no."
Also, all that paperwork doesn’t stop them from harassing Black children anyway. |
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"Also, all that paperwork doesn’t stop them from harassing Black children anyway. "
Yeah. If there wasn't so much stop and search, then black kids probably wouldn't stab each other so much. It's probably frustration over stop and search that drives them to commit so much violence [/sarcasm off]
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? " yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think like all sectors the chronic underfunding makes their job incredibly difficult.
But the service is corrupt, its institutionally racist, its misogynistic, it's homophobic, I'm not sure how you fix that. Not all coppers are bad but it's way more than a few bad apples.
I'm an organisation where a man who subsequently murders a women is known by his colleagues as the r@pist, the culture is rotten.
This is my stance. It’s rotten from the top to the very bottom and no amount of reform will ever change that. " no different to real life not exclusively just police |
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Biggest issue for the police, like the fire service, the NHS, is lack of resources, especially personnel. The tories have effectively cut all three. Johnson promised 20,000 officers to be recruited, but even if that number is reached that will only cover the number expected to have left / retired over the same period. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Also, all that paperwork doesn’t stop them from harassing Black children anyway.
Yeah. If there wasn't so much stop and search, then black kids probably wouldn't stab each other so much. It's probably frustration over stop and search that drives them to commit so much violence [/sarcasm off]
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Was waiting for a comment like this. You have to have reasonable grounds to perform a stop and search and contrary to the belief of police and racists, being black is not reason enough to perform a stop and search. Shall we also talk about white people are 9x more likely to be found with drugs on them but black people are more likely to be stopped for drug offences. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"I think like all sectors the chronic underfunding makes their job incredibly difficult.
But the service is corrupt, its institutionally racist, its misogynistic, it's homophobic, I'm not sure how you fix that. Not all coppers are bad but it's way more than a few bad apples.
I'm an organisation where a man who subsequently murders a women is known by his colleagues as the r@pist, the culture is rotten.
This is my stance. It’s rotten from the top to the very bottom and no amount of reform will ever change that. no different to real life not exclusively just police "
I'm not sure what point you are making given the context of the thread? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers "
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Also, all that paperwork doesn’t stop them from harassing Black children anyway.
Yeah. If there wasn't so much stop and search, then black kids probably wouldn't stab each other so much. It's probably frustration over stop and search that drives them to commit so much violence [/sarcasm off]
Was waiting for a comment like this. You have to have reasonable grounds to perform a stop and search and contrary to the belief of police and racists, being black is not reason enough to perform a stop and search. Shall we also talk about white people are 9x more likely to be found with drugs on them but black people are more likely to be stopped for drug offences. "
A few years ago I remember being in London and there was a festival on at Finsbury Park, the police had a walk through metal detector set up at the underground and were literally pulling every single black kind out to walk through it and not one white kid. It was horrible. And you could feel the tension in the air. It was pure racial profiling.
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"So they should think twice before stopping and searching people too.
Lol. They have to be held accountable otherwise what’s the point in them? Literally an unregulated police force sounds like what I imagine hell to be like. "
See America |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Also, all that paperwork doesn’t stop them from harassing Black children anyway.
Yeah. If there wasn't so much stop and search, then black kids probably wouldn't stab each other so much. It's probably frustration over stop and search that drives them to commit so much violence [/sarcasm off]
Was waiting for a comment like this. You have to have reasonable grounds to perform a stop and search and contrary to the belief of police and racists, being black is not reason enough to perform a stop and search. Shall we also talk about white people are 9x more likely to be found with drugs on them but black people are more likely to be stopped for drug offences.
A few years ago I remember being in London and there was a festival on at Finsbury Park, the police had a walk through metal detector set up at the underground and were literally pulling every single black kind out to walk through it and not one white kid. It was horrible. And you could feel the tension in the air. It was pure racial profiling.
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It was probably wireless as that’s been at Finsbury Park for a while now. And being from north London and having a black partner. I’m not surprised at all. The police always have and always will be racist to their core. Every day a new video viral on Twitter of them traumatising yet another young black boy. Then they wonder why things are so tense and they’re not trusted |
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored?" I mean doing a job that doesn't require doing |
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? "
It's not about red tape or paperwork.
It's about whether the police WANT to do their job |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored?I mean doing a job that doesn't require doing "
So which aspects of their job doesn't require doing? |
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"Also, all that paperwork doesn’t stop them from harassing Black children anyway.
Yeah. If there wasn't so much stop and search, then black kids probably wouldn't stab each other so much. It's probably frustration over stop and search that drives them to commit so much violence [/sarcasm off]
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Look Professor, a clown! |
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Police aren't special, magical people who are automatically honest and decent.
Do you generally trust people you don't know to do the right thing and treat you well? No? Then why would you want police,with all the power they have, not to have to follow strict rules and be held accountable? |
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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago
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we seems to live in a time where crime pays look at the stats across the board its shocking it not just a case of not enough police to do the job its a case of crime exploding too and with the rise in the cost of living there will be alot more crime ...
we saw a guy at our local asda walk out with a trolly full of coffee ...no security on the entrance .. its going to get worse ...
paperwork is never a good thing but its essential in all jobs in my job my paper trail of daily on goings is now handled by 7 admin 10 years ago there was 1 .. most paperwork is there to protect both sides ... we can blame the lawyer's for most of that |
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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago
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"Police aren't special, magical people who are automatically honest and decent.
Do you generally trust people you don't know to do the right thing and treat you well? No? Then why would you want police,with all the power they have, not to have to follow strict rules and be held accountable? "
this can be said across the board ... there are lazy and bad in all jobs |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"Police aren't special, magical people who are automatically honest and decent.
Do you generally trust people you don't know to do the right thing and treat you well? No? Then why would you want police,with all the power they have, not to have to follow strict rules and be held accountable?
this can be said across the board ... there are lazy and bad in all jobs "
A bad chef can't end up with you in prison...
.. remember during lockdown the policeman who stopped a motorist saying ( caught on video)" who they gonna believe ( the courts)..you or me"?..
Is that officer still employed in the force and giving court evidence?
... probably.... |
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The role of the police is not to rule through fear (sorry if that upsets your vengeful attitude but it's written into their remit).
Just because "everyone else" is doing a shit job, doesn't mean we should lower our standards. That's a complete relativist argument and it's really dumb to make if you don't like fascist states.
The MET have recently been found to be still rampant with corruption and racism despite decades of attempts at fixing their PR.
So to claim they need LESS laws is at best naive and at worst just bootlicking.
If the police weren't already corrupt then half of these laws to protect our rights wouldn't be needed. But just because you want the little shit at the end of your street thrown in jail forever doesn't mean you're right to want it.
If people say "if you've nothing to hide then why fear them" then I simply respond with "If I've got nothing to fear, why do you need to look?"
Countless coppers get protected for corruption because it's seen as better to hide the embarassment to the force than admit that it's broken and needs fixing. |
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People stealing coffee is not exactly the dystopian nightmare I would imagine us to be in if crime were rampant and getting worse.
It's more a sign of poverty being enabled through government policy than the police not chopping enough hands off thieves. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The role of the police is not to rule through fear (sorry if that upsets your vengeful attitude but it's written into their remit).
Just because "everyone else" is doing a shit job, doesn't mean we should lower our standards. That's a complete relativist argument and it's really dumb to make if you don't like fascist states.
The MET have recently been found to be still rampant with corruption and racism despite decades of attempts at fixing their PR.
So to claim they need LESS laws is at best naive and at worst just bootlicking.
If the police weren't already corrupt then half of these laws to protect our rights wouldn't be needed. But just because you want the little shit at the end of your street thrown in jail forever doesn't mean you're right to want it.
If people say "if you've nothing to hide then why fear them" then I simply respond with "If I've got nothing to fear, why do you need to look?"
Countless coppers get protected for corruption because it's seen as better to hide the embarassment to the force than admit that it's broken and needs fixing."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Also, all that paperwork doesn’t stop them from harassing Black children anyway.
Yeah. If there wasn't so much stop and search, then black kids probably wouldn't stab each other so much. It's probably frustration over stop and search that drives them to commit so much violence [/sarcasm off]"
Pretending to care about Black kids only works if you actually take the time to understand the social things affecting them that might lead them to crime or other alternative groups.
Lots of projection here also. I don’t know why you’re acting like stop and search is saving Black kids or that it’s not a lazy effort to. It’s not unreasonable or unfair to call it out. It’s well known that Black kids are being harassed by these policies. Kids have talked about being stopped multiple times a day. Multiple times a week. Anyway disappointed but not surprised by this comment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Anyway, I’ve always maintained if I see people stealing from supermarkets etc I turn away and mind my business. I’ve even distracted staff when I’ve seen people stealing nappies or milk or offered to pay for it. If the government were doing their job, people wouldn’t feel the need to do it. It doesn’t help to criminalise people already at the bottom of the food chain. |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
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‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Anyway, I’ve always maintained if I see people stealing from supermarkets etc I turn away and mind my business. I’ve even distracted staff when I’ve seen people stealing nappies or milk or offered to pay for it. If the government were doing their job, people wouldn’t feel the need to do it. It doesn’t help to criminalise people already at the bottom of the food chain. "
Exactly this. We have a society where the vast majority of retail staff claim UC because they are paid so little. So Supermarkets can definiteky afford to take the hit when tax payers are topping up their staff wages!
And we definitely shouldn't be criminalising people forced to steal because they are living in poverty |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyway, I’ve always maintained if I see people stealing from supermarkets etc I turn away and mind my business. I’ve even distracted staff when I’ve seen people stealing nappies or milk or offered to pay for it. If the government were doing their job, people wouldn’t feel the need to do it. It doesn’t help to criminalise people already at the bottom of the food chain.
Exactly this. We have a society where the vast majority of retail staff claim UC because they are paid so little. So Supermarkets can definiteky afford to take the hit when tax payers are topping up their staff wages!
And we definitely shouldn't be criminalising people forced to steal because they are living in poverty "
You two |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s "
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. " .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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Why don't police answer phones anymore..I tried to report a gang of youths throwing glass bottles in the air onto pavements ( danger to dogs paws etc etc).couldn't get through to a human to talk to...
press this press that etc etc..I gave up trying..after around 20 mins .
I later wrote to chief constable who replied by email I could have dialled 999 to report it....
I'm sure if I had at the time I would have been asked " is it an emergency..is life in danger"?.
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
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That's not what was said at all. |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
That's not what was said at all."
Yes it was 100% ..it was implied by definition of the comment |
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
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No… they didn’t |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Why don't police answer phones anymore..I tried to report a gang of youths throwing glass bottles in the air onto pavements ( danger to dogs paws etc etc).couldn't get through to a human to talk to...
press this press that etc etc..I gave up trying..after around 20 mins .
I later wrote to chief constable who replied by email I could have dialled 999 to report it....
I'm sure if I had at the time I would have been asked " is it an emergency..is life in danger"?.
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Because 12 years ago people voted in Tories and their ridiculous austerity? |
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? "
A lot of it depends on what laws are passed and in which country the UK is different to others. There has to be a reason to stop and search somebody
a cop here doesn’t have the rights so to stop anybody for no reason at all would not be legal and would breach that persons human rights
There has to be a reason legitimate one to stop and ask somebody to remove item of clothing I search the pockets are the person you would not like it. If you were randomly stopped in the street for no reason what happens in Spain happens in Spain, the laws are different to ours that’s my view |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
No… they didn’t "
Can you provide me with stop and search statistics for the 1960's and the last decade please ...
And gang attacks in the 1960's compared to the last ten years..which decade had more police on the streets ?...
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there will unfortunately always be minority attacks in any country since countries were formed...
I would feel safer if police walked city centre streets than not ..instead of police stating it's all on CCTV..no matter what coulour skin I had .. |
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored?I mean doing a job that doesn't require doing
So which aspects of their job doesn't require doing?" lol sometimes you use your initiative it isn't always about the letter of the law although in my case it was the last letter of my yearly insurance was wrong it was a G instead of an E, 5 minutes to change it the next day but vehicle impounded £170 to retrieve it, that kind of not doing it, I've never had a claim or accident in my whole driving career |
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
No… they didn’t
Can you provide me with stop and search statistics for the 1960's and the last decade please ...
And gang attacks in the 1960's compared to the last ten years..which decade had more police on the streets ?...
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there will unfortunately always be minority attacks in any country since countries were formed...
I would feel safer if police walked city centre streets than not ..instead of police stating it's all on CCTV..no matter what coulour skin I had .."
Why? You'll pick and choose figures and stats to back up your argument, just like you've tried with words here. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored?I mean doing a job that doesn't require doing
So which aspects of their job doesn't require doing?lol sometimes you use your initiative it isn't always about the letter of the law although in my case it was the last letter of my yearly insurance was wrong it was a G instead of an E, 5 minutes to change it the next day but vehicle impounded £170 to retrieve it, that kind of not doing it, I've never had a claim or accident in my whole driving career "
Yiu were driving with no insurance though?
There's no grey area. cars are seized for it.
Why should you be an exception? |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
No… they didn’t
Can you provide me with stop and search statistics for the 1960's and the last decade please ...
And gang attacks in the 1960's compared to the last ten years..which decade had more police on the streets ?...
.
there will unfortunately always be minority attacks in any country since countries were formed...
I would feel safer if police walked city centre streets than not ..instead of police stating it's all on CCTV..no matter what coulour skin I had ..
Why? You'll pick and choose figures and stats to back up your argument, just like you've tried with words here."
Didn't think so |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"Why don't police answer phones anymore..I tried to report a gang of youths throwing glass bottles in the air onto pavements ( danger to dogs paws etc etc).couldn't get through to a human to talk to...
press this press that etc etc..I gave up trying..after around 20 mins .
I later wrote to chief constable who replied by email I could have dialled 999 to report it....
I'm sure if I had at the time I would have been asked " is it an emergency..is life in danger"?.
Because 12 years ago people voted in Tories and their ridiculous austerity?" ..
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Personally, I don't expect the Met police to protect me as a woman from r. @pe or sexual assault or k1dn@pping. I weigh 200lbs, and am 5 ft 6 and men still think they can manhandle me until I shove them with my full weight. I have no idea what it's like for 5ft 2 women who weigh under 100lbs soaking wet. I advise all women in London to get a r.@pe alarm, get a can of cheap deodorant to spray into an attacker's eyes, dress like a man if walking/ exercising anywhere lonely or dark, don't wear your headphones at night so you can hear someone coming behind you, and get some boxing and self-defence classes and hold your keys as a weapon.
I don't expect the Met police to prevent my bicycles from being knicked. The trash bike cost less than the lock I put on it. Bronte the Brompton is always locked and indoors.
All I expect the Met police to do is investigate murder. They still haven't caught the people who killed the spy in a locked bag in his bathtub. But most high-profile murderers they have caught even if it took them a while.
Oh and I expect the Met police to kettle people at Carnival for about 6 hours and then go home and let the law of the streets take over. |
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The difference now is that there are more ways to report incidents to the police that were not available in the 1960s the only to report an incident, but then might be to go to a police station or stop a police officer in the street If you saw one these days, you can use the Internet on the mini platforms as well as different versions of telephone so data from then and now will be completely different. |
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Risk of taking this down a dark path but I was r@ped when I was 14. Two months prior to that someone incredibly important to me was also r@ped. They had an incredible amount of evidence. The police decided it wasn’t worth their time and didn’t even take it to the CPS. I lost trust in them and never even reported mine. I was 14. Not trusting the police isn’t because we’re malicious or being unreasonable. It’s because they give us no reason to trust them. |
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
No… they didn’t
Can you provide me with stop and search statistics for the 1960's and the last decade please ...
And gang attacks in the 1960's compared to the last ten years..which decade had more police on the streets ?...
.
there will unfortunately always be minority attacks in any country since countries were formed...
I would feel safer if police walked city centre streets than not ..instead of police stating it's all on CCTV..no matter what coulour skin I had ..
Why? You'll pick and choose figures and stats to back up your argument, just like you've tried with words here.
Didn't think so "
Burden of proof lies with the believer. I don't believe what you're saying is true, it's on you to back it up. Not me to convince you. It's not like you've provided any of that sorely desired proof either. |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
No… they didn’t
Can you provide me with stop and search statistics for the 1960's and the last decade please ...
And gang attacks in the 1960's compared to the last ten years..which decade had more police on the streets ?...
.
there will unfortunately always be minority attacks in any country since countries were formed...
I would feel safer if police walked city centre streets than not ..instead of police stating it's all on CCTV..no matter what coulour skin I had ..
Why? You'll pick and choose figures and stats to back up your argument, just like you've tried with words here.
Didn't think so
Burden of proof lies with the believer. I don't believe what you're saying is true, it's on you to back it up. Not me to convince you. It's not like you've provided any of that sorely desired proof either."
If you care to believe there were more stop and search in the 60's then now,and gang violence was more predominant in the "60's then now..or more police are on the streets now than the 1960's,I'm afraid no facts will change your belief..... |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
No… they didn’t
Can you provide me with stop and search statistics for the 1960's and the last decade please ...
And gang attacks in the 1960's compared to the last ten years..which decade had more police on the streets ?...
.
there will unfortunately always be minority attacks in any country since countries were formed...
I would feel safer if police walked city centre streets than not ..instead of police stating it's all on CCTV..no matter what coulour skin I had ..
Why? You'll pick and choose figures and stats to back up your argument, just like you've tried with words here.
Didn't think so
Burden of proof lies with the believer. I don't believe what you're saying is true, it's on you to back it up. Not me to convince you. It's not like you've provided any of that sorely desired proof either.
If you care to believe there were more stop and search in the 60's then now,and gang violence was more predominant in the "60's then now..or more police are on the streets now than the 1960's,I'm afraid no facts will change your belief....."
Are they how we measure 'safer'?
And there was huge gang violence only we somehow turned the Krays and the like in to folk heroes |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
No… they didn’t
Can you provide me with stop and search statistics for the 1960's and the last decade please ...
And gang attacks in the 1960's compared to the last ten years..which decade had more police on the streets ?...
.
there will unfortunately always be minority attacks in any country since countries were formed...
I would feel safer if police walked city centre streets than not ..instead of police stating it's all on CCTV..no matter what coulour skin I had ..
Why? You'll pick and choose figures and stats to back up your argument, just like you've tried with words here.
Didn't think so
Burden of proof lies with the believer. I don't believe what you're saying is true, it's on you to back it up. Not me to convince you. It's not like you've provided any of that sorely desired proof either.
If you care to believe there were more stop and search in the 60's then now,and gang violence was more predominant in the "60's then now..or more police are on the streets now than the 1960's,I'm afraid no facts will change your belief.....
Are they how we measure 'safer'?
And there was huge gang violence only we somehow turned the Krays and the like in to folk heroes"
Ahh but I stated initially " felt safer" not necessarily safer..there was also the mods and rocker's gangs,but going back to a rose tinted era,the police on the beat knew who the local burglars were likely to be.....
and they responded to a burglary report..not just give you a crime number.. although I'm led to believe one police force has vowed to visit all burglary cases,which is a start |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
No… they didn’t
Can you provide me with stop and search statistics for the 1960's and the last decade please ...
And gang attacks in the 1960's compared to the last ten years..which decade had more police on the streets ?...
.
there will unfortunately always be minority attacks in any country since countries were formed...
I would feel safer if police walked city centre streets than not ..instead of police stating it's all on CCTV..no matter what coulour skin I had ..
Why? You'll pick and choose figures and stats to back up your argument, just like you've tried with words here.
Didn't think so
Burden of proof lies with the believer. I don't believe what you're saying is true, it's on you to back it up. Not me to convince you. It's not like you've provided any of that sorely desired proof either.
If you care to believe there were more stop and search in the 60's then now,and gang violence was more predominant in the "60's then now..or more police are on the streets now than the 1960's,I'm afraid no facts will change your belief.....
Are they how we measure 'safer'?
And there was huge gang violence only we somehow turned the Krays and the like in to folk heroes
Ahh but I stated initially " felt safer" not necessarily safer..there was also the mods and rocker's gangs,but going back to a rose tinted era,the police on the beat knew who the local burglars were likely to be.....
and they responded to a burglary report..not just give you a crime number.. although I'm led to believe one police force has vowed to visit all burglary cases,which is a start"
So your earlier claim that it was safer, yiu acknowledge was through rose tinted glasses and may nit have been the realty?
Because as yiu say feeling safer and being safer are 2 very different things |
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored?I mean doing a job that doesn't require doing
So which aspects of their job doesn't require doing?lol sometimes you use your initiative it isn't always about the letter of the law although in my case it was the last letter of my yearly insurance was wrong it was a G instead of an E, 5 minutes to change it the next day but vehicle impounded £170 to retrieve it, that kind of not doing it, I've never had a claim or accident in my whole driving career
Yiu were driving with no insurance though?
There's no grey area. cars are seized for it.
Why should you be an exception?" it was a minor error no need to seize vehicle and charge me a £170 to get it back, the sole purpose of doing it was using the law to rip me off, nothing more nothing less, he could see I had insured it just a human error |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"I don't care to believe anything, least of all the assumptions you are intent on latching on to.
So, I'm still waiting on your proof."
Your quote above" I don't believe what your saying is true"..that's a belief..so don't you believe yourself?. ..
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I never try to change someone's belief with facts.. Or we would have no "Flat Earth society". |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored?I mean doing a job that doesn't require doing
So which aspects of their job doesn't require doing?lol sometimes you use your initiative it isn't always about the letter of the law although in my case it was the last letter of my yearly insurance was wrong it was a G instead of an E, 5 minutes to change it the next day but vehicle impounded £170 to retrieve it, that kind of not doing it, I've never had a claim or accident in my whole driving career
Yiu were driving with no insurance though?
There's no grey area. cars are seized for it.
Why should you be an exception?it was a minor error no need to seize vehicle and charge me a £170 to get it back, the sole purpose of doing it was using the law to rip me off, nothing more nothing less, he could see I had insured it just a human error "
But you weren't insured? What if you'd had an accident driving home and killed someone? What if they'd made you leave your car and it had been damaged or pinched?
All I can see here is an example ofvyou thinking you should be exempt from a law with no grey area, I'm nit sure how enforcing it is being jobsworth? |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
No… they didn’t
Can you provide me with stop and search statistics for the 1960's and the last decade please ...
And gang attacks in the 1960's compared to the last ten years..which decade had more police on the streets ?...
.
there will unfortunately always be minority attacks in any country since countries were formed...
I would feel safer if police walked city centre streets than not ..instead of police stating it's all on CCTV..no matter what coulour skin I had ..
Why? You'll pick and choose figures and stats to back up your argument, just like you've tried with words here.
Didn't think so
Burden of proof lies with the believer. I don't believe what you're saying is true, it's on you to back it up. Not me to convince you. It's not like you've provided any of that sorely desired proof either.
If you care to believe there were more stop and search in the 60's then now,and gang violence was more predominant in the "60's then now..or more police are on the streets now than the 1960's,I'm afraid no facts will change your belief.....
Are they how we measure 'safer'?
And there was huge gang violence only we somehow turned the Krays and the like in to folk heroes
Ahh but I stated initially " felt safer" not necessarily safer..there was also the mods and rocker's gangs,but going back to a rose tinted era,the police on the beat knew who the local burglars were likely to be.....
and they responded to a burglary report..not just give you a crime number.. although I'm led to believe one police force has vowed to visit all burglary cases,which is a start
So your earlier claim that it was safer, yiu acknowledge was through rose tinted glasses and may nit have been the realty?
Because as yiu say feeling safer and being safer are 2 very different things "
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored?I mean doing a job that doesn't require doing
So which aspects of their job doesn't require doing?lol sometimes you use your initiative it isn't always about the letter of the law although in my case it was the last letter of my yearly insurance was wrong it was a G instead of an E, 5 minutes to change it the next day but vehicle impounded £170 to retrieve it, that kind of not doing it, I've never had a claim or accident in my whole driving career
Yiu were driving with no insurance though?
There's no grey area. cars are seized for it.
Why should you be an exception?it was a minor error no need to seize vehicle and charge me a £170 to get it back, the sole purpose of doing it was using the law to rip me off, nothing more nothing less, he could see I had insured it just a human error " I look for the police to be human catch criminals not law abiding vehicle users!! |
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored?I mean doing a job that doesn't require doing
So which aspects of their job doesn't require doing?lol sometimes you use your initiative it isn't always about the letter of the law although in my case it was the last letter of my yearly insurance was wrong it was a G instead of an E, 5 minutes to change it the next day but vehicle impounded £170 to retrieve it, that kind of not doing it, I've never had a claim or accident in my whole driving career
Yiu were driving with no insurance though?
There's no grey area. cars are seized for it.
Why should you be an exception?it was a minor error no need to seize vehicle and charge me a £170 to get it back, the sole purpose of doing it was using the law to rip me off, nothing more nothing less, he could see I had insured it just a human error
But you weren't insured? What if you'd had an accident driving home and killed someone? What if they'd made you leave your car and it had been damaged or pinched?
All I can see here is an example ofvyou thinking you should be exempt from a law with no grey area, I'm nit sure how enforcing it is being jobsworth? " if if, Ive never had an accident or claim against my insurance why would I start now, you're not a policeman by any chance? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored?I mean doing a job that doesn't require doing
So which aspects of their job doesn't require doing?lol sometimes you use your initiative it isn't always about the letter of the law although in my case it was the last letter of my yearly insurance was wrong it was a G instead of an E, 5 minutes to change it the next day but vehicle impounded £170 to retrieve it, that kind of not doing it, I've never had a claim or accident in my whole driving career
Yiu were driving with no insurance though?
There's no grey area. cars are seized for it.
Why should you be an exception?it was a minor error no need to seize vehicle and charge me a £170 to get it back, the sole purpose of doing it was using the law to rip me off, nothing more nothing less, he could see I had insured it just a human error
But you weren't insured? What if you'd had an accident driving home and killed someone? What if they'd made you leave your car and it had been damaged or pinched?
All I can see here is an example ofvyou thinking you should be exempt from a law with no grey area, I'm nit sure how enforcing it is being jobsworth? if if, Ive never had an accident or claim against my insurance why would I start now, you're not a policeman by any chance? "
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"Your argument is falling apart, and you're trying to trick me with semantics?
Stick to the topic. Where is your proof?"
I could be totally wrong..
perhaps there is less gang crime now than the 1960's..
Perhaps there were more stop and search in the 1960''s.
Perhaps there are more police on the streets now than in the 60's..
I best not look for provable facts in case your right..
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Simple, stay within the law and the police won't trouble you."
Rubbish, utter rubbish.
Ian Tomlinson was murdered by the Met walking down the road.
There are literally hundreds of other examples where innocent people doing nothing wrong have been subject to police aggression, brutality or intimidation. |
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully? yes too much red tape, too much trying to earn money for their coffers and too many jobs worth coppers
What do you mean by jobsworth? Are yiu suggesting some offences should be ignored?I mean doing a job that doesn't require doing
So which aspects of their job doesn't require doing?lol sometimes you use your initiative it isn't always about the letter of the law although in my case it was the last letter of my yearly insurance was wrong it was a G instead of an E, 5 minutes to change it the next day but vehicle impounded £170 to retrieve it, that kind of not doing it, I've never had a claim or accident in my whole driving career
Yiu were driving with no insurance though?
There's no grey area. cars are seized for it.
Why should you be an exception?it was a minor error no need to seize vehicle and charge me a £170 to get it back, the sole purpose of doing it was using the law to rip me off, nothing more nothing less, he could see I had insured it just a human error
But you weren't insured? What if you'd had an accident driving home and killed someone? What if they'd made you leave your car and it had been damaged or pinched?
All I can see here is an example ofvyou thinking you should be exempt from a law with no grey area, I'm nit sure how enforcing it is being jobsworth? if if, Ive never had an accident or claim against my insurance why would I start now, you're not a policeman by any chance?
Not at all, just someone who at times finds the entitlement of motorists hard to comprehend " Oh well for me he was a jobs worth, he knew I couldn't change the letter it was 9.30pm so I couldn't do it then, he made me waste my day getting buses and paying the £170 for a 5 minute phone call hence money for coffers and hence why motorists get so angry with them, catch criminals not motorists....... The money for the police comes from the 'criminals' who drive cars |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"Simple, stay within the law and the police won't trouble you.
Rubbish, utter rubbish.
Ian Tomlinson was murdered by the Met walking down the road.
There are literally hundreds of other examples where innocent people doing nothing wrong have been subject to police aggression, brutality or intimidation. " ..
Also John Charles de-Menezes,a painter and decorator going to work..also murdered |
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"I think like all sectors the chronic underfunding makes their job incredibly difficult.
But the service is corrupt, its institutionally racist, its misogynistic, it's homophobic, I'm not sure how you fix that. Not all coppers are bad but it's way more than a few bad apples.
I'm an organisation where a man who subsequently murders a women is known by his colleagues as the r@pist, the culture is rotten.
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If you think thats corrupt what do you think would happen if it was a private police force.
Whilst the police force is bad its held accountable to a degree where a private police force wouldnt be held to account.
As it would be more for the elite of society, and not for you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People felt safer when police were on the beat...
If you misbehaved as a child in the 60's you'd get a belt round the head from a big burley copper
.and another one from your dad when he got home....
now both can be had up on assault charges....
..and I lived in a shoebox in the middle of t' road... luxury.
‘People’ I feel like is generally but have to say I don’t know that all communities felt safer in the 60s
Claiming how people felt safer years ago is white privilege at it's finest. .
So according to your logic ..non white people in the 1960's didn't feel safer with police on the streets.ok.
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If you think greater police presence automatically makes everyone feel safer then I feel you’re possibly unaware of the way that the police have historically policed certain communities? Loads of people from this time have spoken about it publicly but also like, I know people that felt this way too. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"It feels like that there are a lot of red tape doesnt it and paper work? Especially with stop and search, like they might have to think twice if they are going to stop a person, if comparing to other countries police forces like guardia civil which are feared, what is your view about it, is there a lot of red tape that hinders a police to do their job fully?
A lot of it depends on what laws are passed and in which country the UK is different to others. There has to be a reason to stop and search somebody
a cop here doesn’t have the rights so to stop anybody for no reason at all would not be legal and would breach that persons human rights
There has to be a reason legitimate one to stop and ask somebody to remove item of clothing I search the pockets are the person you would not like it. If you were randomly stopped in the street for no reason what happens in Spain happens in Spain, the laws are different to ours that’s my view " Yes, how they operate depends on the country and also guardia civil is a military police, they also served during the franco years, they are still military in nature and they live in military barracks |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think like all sectors the chronic underfunding makes their job incredibly difficult.
But the service is corrupt, its institutionally racist, its misogynistic, it's homophobic, I'm not sure how you fix that. Not all coppers are bad but it's way more than a few bad apples.
I'm an organisation where a man who subsequently murders a women is known by his colleagues as the r@pist, the culture is rotten.
This is my stance. It’s rotten from the top to the very bottom and no amount of reform will ever change that. "
What are you basing that upon? |
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Too much red tape, too many hoops to jump through.
The CPS keep chucking cases out, which doesn't help the morale of the force.
Then you have every keyboard warrior ready to jump in, and criticise them for everything they did. |
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"They are excellent at catching speeding drivers. Burglars not so much.
Who kill more people? Who leave more people with life changing injuries?
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Yes, all those millions of drivers successfully prosecuted for very minor speed infringements with a zero tolerance policy versus burglary and street robbery with a successful prosecution rate under 1%.
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By *htcMan
over a year ago
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They can't do there job as it's too much paperwork to fill out.
And any real criminals they do catch the weak UK courts will let them roam free.
So why would they bother.
The entire country needs redoing back to old early 1900 or 1950s police rules and regulations and same with healthcare.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They are excellent at catching speeding drivers. Burglars not so much.
Who kill more people? Who leave more people with life changing injuries?
Yes, all those millions of drivers successfully prosecuted for very minor speed infringements with a zero tolerance policy versus burglary and street robbery with a successful prosecution rate under 1%.
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That whole evidence thing is a pesky nuisance.. |
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"They are excellent at catching speeding drivers. Burglars not so much.
Who kill more people? Who leave more people with life changing injuries?
Yes, all those millions of drivers successfully prosecuted for very minor speed infringements with a zero tolerance policy versus burglary and street robbery with a successful prosecution rate under 1%.
That whole evidence thing is a pesky nuisance.."
Yeah, shame it’s their job to gather it…. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I like that they feel approachable. You can respect someone without fearing them. And if you are a criminal neither would stop you. Neither them being reasonable and nice nor terrifying and ready to shoot you.
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"I like that they feel approachable. You can respect someone without fearing them. And if you are a criminal neither would stop you. Neither them being reasonable and nice nor terrifying and ready to shoot you.
T."
And imagine a society where they didn’t exist….. |
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By *oxy jWoman
over a year ago
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"People stealing coffee is not exactly the dystopian nightmare I would imagine us to be in if crime were rampant and getting worse.
It's more a sign of poverty being enabled through government policy than the police not chopping enough hands off thieves."
oh i totally agree ..but its still a crime also if someone is stealing coffee its not to feed ? its to sell |
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It’s not the police fault it’s the liberal lovey snowflake wokey society that has taken charge of the asylum and insist on pathetic rules and regulations. Let the police police lock up criminals simples |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"It’s not the police fault it’s the liberal lovey snowflake wokey society that has taken charge of the asylum and insist on pathetic rules and regulations. Let the police police lock up criminals simples "
Can you give sone examples of liberal lovey snowflake wokaley society and how thstbhas negatively impacted the police? |
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"It’s not the police fault it’s the liberal lovey snowflake wokey society that has taken charge of the asylum and insist on pathetic rules and regulations. Let the police police lock up criminals simples "
Darned guardian reading tofu eating wokerati |
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"It’s not the police fault it’s the liberal lovey snowflake wokey society that has taken charge of the asylum and insist on pathetic rules and regulations. Let the police police lock up criminals simples "
Remind me which party has been in power there for the last decade? |
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Most jobs have some inefficient administrative tasks but that's not a reason for removing trails that can support accountability. They and other public sector staff are hampered by terrible policies since 2010, including funding, which impacts each other. £billions cut from council budgets impacts us as citizens and the staff struggle because of our voting decisions. Support them, don't knock them for that. We have to take responsibility. And to direct revisins to their management and personnel there. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"There is a LOT of paperwork involved, does it tie officers down a bit too much? Absolutely.
Of course, it’s often in vain when the CPS say there’s not enough evidence but that’s a different story. " Yes. I also thought that. I wonder why there should be so much paper work involved, have it always been so or have it been a time where it have been less paper work involved to do? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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I'd be curious if those who are staying that there is too much paperwork could suggest which paperwork they shouldn't bother with?
It does seem like an empty soundbite. Has paperwork increased? Or are the resources so stretched that an officer filling in paperwork leaves staffing levels dangerously low? I suspect its the latter (actually having worked in a partner agency I'd go as far as to say I know this) so surely the solution is more officers not less paperwork? Particularly as numbers have dropped by an extraordinary amount in the last 12 years of Tory cuts |
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