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"Yes, it’s me again! Happy Sunday my angels  and demons  ! Wishing you all a wonderful week ahead.
What are you most excited about? Tell me please 
It’s still Black history month (yay!) and so please also tell us what Black history month means to you? Why is it important?
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As a Caucasian I'll admit it doesn't mean much to me.
However, that doesn't dimish how much I feel it's important and something that should be celebrated/remembered.
There's no denying the significant input into our history *coloured (am I allowed to say that?) individuals and communities have had.
I think its a good thing. I also think its a sad thing the Black History needs an "event".
Unfortunately there's still a long way to go with racism and its associated abuse in the world.
Winston
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It’s important to continue celebrating black history and all that black people and black culture have done for this country.
I think we need change in the curriculum of schools to teach it all year round and stop teaching through a white lens. Sl@very, for example, is not JUST black history. It’s very much the history of white people.
Black culture is beautiful and I’ll take any opportunity to celebrate it  |
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"Yes, it’s me again! Happy Sunday my angels and demons ! Wishing you all a wonderful week ahead.
What are you most excited about? Tell me please
It’s still Black history month (yay!) and so please also tell us what Black history month means to you? Why is it important?
and
As a Caucasian I'll admit it doesn't mean much to me.
However, that doesn't dimish how much I feel it's important and something that should be celebrated/remembered.
There's no denying the significant input into our history *coloured (am I allowed to say that?) individuals and communities have had.
I think its a good thing. I also think its a sad thing the Black History needs an "event".
Unfortunately there's still a long way to go with racism and its associated abuse in the world.
Winston
*no offence intended "
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"Yes, it’s me again! Happy Sunday my angels and demons ! Wishing you all a wonderful week ahead.
What are you most excited about? Tell me please
It’s still Black history month (yay!) and so please also tell us what Black history month means to you? Why is it important?
and
As a Caucasian I'll admit it doesn't mean much to me.
However, that doesn't dimish how much I feel it's important and something that should be celebrated/remembered.
There's no denying the significant input into our history *coloured (am I allowed to say that?) individuals and communities have had.
I think its a good thing. I also think its a sad thing the Black History needs an "event".
Unfortunately there's still a long way to go with racism and its associated abuse in the world.
Winston
*no offence intended
The preferred term is person/people of colour now lovely x"
Thank you. 
I've seen people pooh pooh the use of PoC; one of the reasons I rarely post on these type of threads, it's very easy to unintentionally offend.
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"Yes, it’s me again! Happy Sunday my angels and demons ! Wishing you all a wonderful week ahead.
What are you most excited about? Tell me please
It’s still Black history month (yay!) and so please also tell us what Black history month means to you? Why is it important?
and
As a Caucasian I'll admit it doesn't mean much to me.
However, that doesn't dimish how much I feel it's important and something that should be celebrated/remembered.
There's no denying the significant input into our history *coloured (am I allowed to say that?) individuals and communities have had.
I think its a good thing. I also think its a sad thing the Black History needs an "event".
Unfortunately there's still a long way to go with racism and its associated abuse in the world.
Winston
*no offence intended
The preferred term is person/people of colour now lovely x
Thank you.
I've seen people pooh pooh the use of PoC; one of the reasons I rarely post on these type of threads, it's very easy to unintentionally offend.
Winston "
Of course, I know that some black people prefer to just be referred to as just that. But the general term instead of coloured is now person of colour! You were clear you weren’t trying to offend so I’m sure all is well. I know Steve won’t mind  |
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"Yes, it’s me again! Happy Sunday my angels and demons ! Wishing you all a wonderful week ahead.
What are you most excited about? Tell me please
It’s still Black history month (yay!) and so please also tell us what Black history month means to you? Why is it important?
and
As a Caucasian I'll admit it doesn't mean much to me.
However, that doesn't dimish how much I feel it's important and something that should be celebrated/remembered.
There's no denying the significant input into our history *coloured (am I allowed to say that?) individuals and communities have had.
I think its a good thing. I also think its a sad thing the Black History needs an "event".
Unfortunately there's still a long way to go with racism and its associated abuse in the world.
Winston
*no offence intended
The preferred term is person/people of colour now lovely x
Thank you.
I've seen people pooh pooh the use of PoC; one of the reasons I rarely post on these type of threads, it's very easy to unintentionally offend.
Winston "
As a Black Afro-Caribbean person, I take no offence from people of a certain age using "coloured". It's what they grew up hearing. I went to see David Harewood's new book signing and he said when he was 5 years old in Birmingham, they were the only black family on the street and someone threw a brick and hit him in the face!
That was 1970, when you were still a kid Winston. I went to Cornwall in 2010 and someone of a certain age used "coloured" then too.
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Our history is gatekept by those in power. Pale, male, and stale. Those who don't want us to understand the rich tapestry of humanity, the contributions of all of us. Who deny or undermine the harm they've inflicted on other cultures (and those of us not in the upper echelons of society).
We are stronger together, with a richer understanding of our past and legacy. Not whitewashed for the delicate sensibilities of the elite. |
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"It’s important to continue celebrating black history and all that black people and black culture have done for this country.
I think we need change in the curriculum of schools to teach it all year round and stop teaching through a white lens. Sl@very, for example, is not JUST black history. It’s very much the history of white people.
Black culture is beautiful and I’ll take any opportunity to celebrate it "
Couldn’t agree more!! Why is it that the curriculum doesn’t offer diverse learning year round? But the fact they have adapted for bhm is a start and it’s opened up a lot of questions and debate between me and my little person which is never a bad thing imho. It’s important that our children know the history, good bad and otherwise.
Threads like these where people have made comment or asked questions and been given reassurance or correction coming from a place of love and respect rather than mocking or anger make me very happy too |
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Its important we learn from and dont repeat History. Worrying rise and normalisation of fascism lately that I dont like.
Anyone whos interested should read or watch online Akala. I could listen to him 24/7 365. Very intelligent man.
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"Yes, it’s me again! Happy Sunday my angels and demons ! Wishing you all a wonderful week ahead.
What are you most excited about? Tell me please
It’s still Black history month (yay!) and so please also tell us what Black history month means to you? Why is it important?
and
As a Caucasian I'll admit it doesn't mean much to me.
However, that doesn't dimish how much I feel it's important and something that should be celebrated/remembered.
There's no denying the significant input into our history *coloured (am I allowed to say that?) individuals and communities have had.
I think its a good thing. I also think its a sad thing the Black History needs an "event".
Unfortunately there's still a long way to go with racism and its associated abuse in the world.
Winston
*no offence intended "
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"It’s important to continue celebrating black history and all that black people and black culture have done for this country.
I think we need change in the curriculum of schools to teach it all year round and stop teaching through a white lens. Sl@very, for example, is not JUST black history. It’s very much the history of white people.
Black culture is beautiful and I’ll take any opportunity to celebrate it "
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"Our history is gatekept by those in power. Pale, male, and stale. Those who don't want us to understand the rich tapestry of humanity, the contributions of all of us. Who deny or undermine the harm they've inflicted on other cultures (and those of us not in the upper echelons of society).
We are stronger together, with a richer understanding of our past and legacy. Not whitewashed for the delicate sensibilities of the elite."
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"It’s important to continue celebrating black history and all that black people and black culture have done for this country.
I think we need change in the curriculum of schools to teach it all year round and stop teaching through a white lens. Sl@very, for example, is not JUST black history. It’s very much the history of white people.
Black culture is beautiful and I’ll take any opportunity to celebrate it
Couldn’t agree more!! Why is it that the curriculum doesn’t offer diverse learning year round? But the fact they have adapted for bhm is a start and it’s opened up a lot of questions and debate between me and my little person which is never a bad thing imho. It’s important that our children know the history, good bad and otherwise.
Threads like these where people have made comment or asked questions and been given reassurance or correction coming from a place of love and respect rather than mocking or anger make me very happy too "
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"Its important we learn from and dont repeat History. Worrying rise and normalisation of fascism lately that I dont like.
Anyone whos interested should read or watch online Akala. I could listen to him 24/7 365. Very intelligent man.
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"It’s something we adopted from America. Means nothing to me, and I suspect, most black people."
Means nothing to most Black people is an interesting take. |
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"It’s important to continue celebrating black history and all that black people and black culture have done for this country.
I think we need change in the curriculum of schools to teach it all year round and stop teaching through a white lens. Sl@very, for example, is not JUST black history. It’s very much the history of white people.
Black culture is beautiful and I’ll take any opportunity to celebrate it
Couldn’t agree more!! Why is it that the curriculum doesn’t offer diverse learning year round? But the fact they have adapted for bhm is a start and it’s opened up a lot of questions and debate between me and my little person which is never a bad thing imho. It’s important that our children know the history, good bad and otherwise.
Threads like these where people have made comment or asked questions and been given reassurance or correction coming from a place of love and respect rather than mocking or anger make me very happy too "
I agree. Unfortunately this country doesn’t have a pretty history and we can’t brush it under the carpet and pretend it didn’t exist. But we can do better than our ancestors but we can only do that through learning and open and honest conversation! I love that your little one is asking questions, mine is still a little too young to understand race yet but she is also mixed race so I’m sure she will have plenty one day |
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I think my sentiments have been expressed by the others above - much love to everyone celebrating Black History Month and I totally agree that there should be more built into the school curriculum to un-whitewash history and cultural studies. For example, we only ever considered the work of white artists, white musicians and white scientists when I was at school. No-one told us that we were counting with Arabic numerals, nor of the contribution of multitudes of non-white people to all sorts of areas of life.
I don't think it's changed an awful lot, unfortunately. The Govian curriculum does not really consider this at all, sadly. |
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"Where does white end and black begin?
October. "
I kind of agree that every month should celebrate black history but it's also naive to ignore the need to highlight certain issues.
I can't see why anybody would take issue with it. I have no interest in cats but it doesn't bother me that there's a global cat day.
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of."
You don't need to be black to appreciate black history. |
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"It’s important to continue celebrating black history and all that black people and black culture have done for this country.
I think we need change in the curriculum of schools to teach it all year round and stop teaching through a white lens. Sl@very, for example, is not JUST black history. It’s very much the history of white people.
Black culture is beautiful and I’ll take any opportunity to celebrate it "
I love this! So beautifully put. |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of."
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be "
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"Yes, it’s me again! Happy Sunday my angels and demons ! Wishing you all a wonderful week ahead.
What are you most excited about? Tell me please
It’s still Black history month (yay!) and so please also tell us what Black history month means to you? Why is it important?
and
As a Caucasian I'll admit it doesn't mean much to me.
However, that doesn't dimish how much I feel it's important and something that should be celebrated/remembered.
There's no denying the significant input into our history *coloured (am I allowed to say that?) individuals and communities have had.
I think its a good thing. I also think its a sad thing the Black History needs an "event".
Unfortunately there's still a long way to go with racism and its associated abuse in the world.
Winston
*no offence intended
You’re the best egg, Winston"
Scrambled? 
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Great Britain has a huge history only some of which gets taught in school. Nothing prevented me from exploring the bits that weren't among others. The Punic Wars for example. We have black history as since medieval times this nation dealt with non European countries
I don't believe there were many African people here in Roman times. North Arfican Berbers yes. But not West African. People of colour yes who saw themselves as Roman. I'm not comfortable with black and white categories as there is no clear distinction.
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be "
What about ‘ the rights’? |
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"There is no black or white just history of the winners."
History is written by the victors.
Who do we think have been the "victors" most frequently? Ergo, is a large part of history not missing or at least not out in the open? |
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"If it promotes inclusivity, acceptance and annoys a few racists, then I'm all for it. "
All this! And, if it's a month where lesser known stories, perspectives it histories are to the fore, more power to it. |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be
What about ‘ the rights’? "
The rights of who or what? Do explain what you mean. |
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"Great Britain has a huge history only some of which gets taught in school. Nothing prevented me from exploring the bits that weren't among others. The Punic Wars for example. We have black history as since medieval times this nation dealt with non European countries
I don't believe there were many African people here in Roman times. North Arfican Berbers yes. But not West African. People of colour yes who saw themselves as Roman. I'm not comfortable with black and white categories as there is no clear distinction.
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Take it up with the people that created these categories in the first place because as Stuart Hall writes, before he came to this country from Jamaica he’d not known a single person refer to themselves as Black. |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be
What about ‘ the rights’?
The rights of who or what? Do explain what you mean."
You mentioned the wrongs. Surely there were some rights ? |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be
What about ‘ the rights’?
The rights of who or what? Do explain what you mean.
You mentioned the wrongs. Surely there were some rights ?"
Friendly reminder this thread was aiming to celebrate black people, black culture and black history month. We don’t need a debate about the apparent good white people have done over history. |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be
What about ‘ the rights’?
The rights of who or what? Do explain what you mean.
You mentioned the wrongs. Surely there were some rights ?"
 no way you read ‘The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.’ and start asking ‘wHaT aBoUt tHe RiGhTs?’ |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be
What about ‘ the rights’?
The rights of who or what? Do explain what you mean.
You mentioned the wrongs. Surely there were some rights ?"
Sure. But I can find self congratulatory wank about people of my heritage very easily, it's like herpes. And it's been rammed down my throat since childhood, I'd rather pass. |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be
What about ‘ the rights’?
The rights of who or what? Do explain what you mean.
You mentioned the wrongs. Surely there were some rights ?
Friendly reminder this thread was aiming to celebrate black people, black culture and black history month. We don’t need a debate about the apparent good white people have done over history. "
This place Is always the same as soon as you mention race. |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be
What about ‘ the rights’?
The rights of who or what? Do explain what you mean.
You mentioned the wrongs. Surely there were some rights ?
no way you read ‘The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.’ and start asking ‘wHaT aBoUt tHe RiGhTs?’ "
Always. Fucking always. |
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This place Is always the same as soon as you mention race.
How dare you try to celebrate blackness. White people exist too Steve! "
You fackin what m8
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"All I want is to celebrate BHM. If you don’t like it, leave. (God I sound like… you know )
Not racist, just don’t like ‘em.
same vibes"
Not you, Steve. You're ok, but you know, some of those other BHM advocates... |
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"All I want is to celebrate BHM. If you don’t like it, leave. (God I sound like… you know )
Not racist, just don’t like ‘em.
same vibes
Not you, Steve. You're ok, but you know, some of those other BHM advocates..."
I’m not like THOSE other Black people |
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
When's international men's day?
What about white history?"
I think international white men's month is January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November and of course the one with the most famous white guy off all, December. |
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
When's international men's day?
What about white history?
I think international white men's month is January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November and of course the one with the most famous white guy off all, December. "
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
And then we get to celebrate by burning effigies of a bloke who was tortured to death.
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Celebrating the suppression of a minority. The way things ought to be!  |
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
And then we get to celebrate by burning effigies of a bloke who was tortured to death.
Celebrating the suppression of a minority. The way things ought to be! "
Here here!
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
When's international men's day?
What about white history?
I think international white men's month is January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November and of course the one with the most famous white guy off all, December. "
The fact that they’ve made Jesus White is also just peak western world. |
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
And then we get to celebrate by burning effigies of a bloke who was tortured to death.
Celebrating the suppression of a minority. The way things ought to be! "
Christmas is celebrating the birth of a baby who we later celebrate the torturing to death of. What are we, as a society?!
Also spoiler alert - Jesus was person of colour  |
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
When's international men's day?
What about white history?
I think international white men's month is January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November and of course the one with the most famous white guy off all, December.
The fact that they’ve made Jesus White is also just peak western world. "
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
When's international men's day?
What about white history?
I think international white men's month is January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November and of course the one with the most famous white guy off all, December.
The fact that they’ve made Jesus White is also just peak western world.
I was actually referring to here "
God, forgot about the other one! |
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
And then we get to celebrate by burning effigies of a bloke who was tortured to death.
Celebrating the suppression of a minority. The way things ought to be!
Christmas is celebrating the birth of a baby who we later celebrate the torturing to death of. What are we, as a society?!
Also spoiler alert - Jesus was person of colour "
If Jesus lived in the US in the 1950s the symbol of Christianity would be an electric chair.
And nonsense. Blonde hair, blue eyes, American accent, or people will cry about it |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be
What about ‘ the rights’?
The rights of who or what? Do explain what you mean.
You mentioned the wrongs. Surely there were some rights ?
Friendly reminder this thread was aiming to celebrate black people, black culture and black history month. We don’t need a debate about the apparent good white people have done over history. "
Some white people clearly do. |
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"Yes, it’s me again! Happy Sunday my angels and demons ! Wishing you all a wonderful week ahead.
What are you most excited about? Tell me please
It’s still Black history month (yay!) and so please also tell us what Black history month means to you? Why is it important?
and "
Nothing to me. Just another clintons marketing tool unfortunately. More annoying channel 4 adverts.
That said, it's clear there is a need to learn more history. I was watching a program about Billie holiday and mentioned her song strange fruit. The person I was watching with had no idea that in the deep south, black people had really been strung up from trees. So yeah there's a need for better education. |
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"As I'm not black it means nothing to me but for those that are I bet it's something to celebrate and be proud of.
I am not black. It matters enormously to me the blood spilled by and on behalf of my ancestors. The echoes of our wrongs reverberate in present inequality and trauma.
I heard it recently - if history makes you feel good, it is propaganda. History is a reckoning.
It matters to me the stories my contemporaries might tell, what we can learn from one another, to think more broadly, react more creatively, to coming crises, with a diversity of ideas.
Black history matters to me because truth matters to me. As complicated and messy and multifaceted as the truth might be
What about ‘ the rights’?
The rights of who or what? Do explain what you mean.
You mentioned the wrongs. Surely there were some rights ?
Friendly reminder this thread was aiming to celebrate black people, black culture and black history month. We don’t need a debate about the apparent good white people have done over history.
Some white people clearly do."
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
And then we get to celebrate by burning effigies of a bloke who was tortured to death.
Celebrating the suppression of a minority. The way things ought to be!
Christmas is celebrating the birth of a baby who we later celebrate the torturing to death of. What are we, as a society?!
Also spoiler alert - Jesus was person of colour "
Yes skin colour was certainly the most salient fact about jesus. |
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Black history month is the equivalent of hearing someone say "I cant be racist I have black friends". As much as I support black culture being celebrated I do not believe that it should be confined to a specific month of the year (or at least make it a hot month) and for many people from varying ethnic groups it's a huge part of your history.
For me black culture is life so I do not require a dedicated month to celebrate.
I have toned down my views here so as not to offend and of the more sensitive souls frequenting this site |
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My Audiobook app is spotlighting various authors as part of black history month, I've read a few and have a few more to get through - 'Girl, Woman, Other' was an excellent read |
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"If you don’t like BHM, it’ll be November soon you…
And then we get to celebrate by burning effigies of a bloke who was tortured to death.
Celebrating the suppression of a minority. The way things ought to be!
Christmas is celebrating the birth of a baby who we later celebrate the torturing to death of. What are we, as a society?!
Also spoiler alert - Jesus was person of colour
Yes skin colour was certainly the most salient fact about jesus. "
Jesus did exist, his crucifixion is in the Roman records of the period of around 32AD. Whether he was the bodily incarnation of god is an entirely different discussion, yes. |
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"What does it mean to you Steve?
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Black History month in the UK represents a time that Black people and cultures can be and are celebrated. And it’s nice to see my culture and people that look like me get the recognition that unfortunately they don’t get 12 months a year.
Obviously we shouldn’t need a month. I find that argument pointless because when we have conversations about decolonising curriculums we’re met with backlash, when we talk about teaching the horrors of empire or about the consequences of historical racism were told that it’s against the law to do so without teaching an opposing view. So we don’t need a month in an ideal world but that argument doesn’t account for the fact that when we’ve tried to make sure that we encompass the experiences of the entire African diaspora in curriculum and in other things it’s met with push back and government reports about how institutional racism doesn’t exist. |
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"All I want is to celebrate BHM. If you don’t like it, leave. (God I sound like… you know )
Should probably put that on the op op... If you don't agree with me... Be gone foul spot. "
You don’t have to agree with me. I asked what it means and why it’s important. I didn’t ask for the unrelated stuff I received. If you’re not going to stick to the OP… leave. Isn’t that a forum rule? Hope that helps. |
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"What does it mean to you Steve?
Black History month in the UK represents a time that Black people and cultures can be and are celebrated. And it’s nice to see my culture and people that look like me get the recognition that unfortunately they don’t get 12 months a year.
Obviously we shouldn’t need a month. I find that argument pointless because when we have conversations about decolonising curriculums we’re met with backlash, when we talk about teaching the horrors of empire or about the consequences of historical racism were told that it’s against the law to do so without teaching an opposing view. So we don’t need a month in an ideal world but that argument doesn’t account for the fact that when we’ve tried to make sure that we encompass the experiences of the entire African diaspora in curriculum and in other things it’s met with push back and government reports about how institutional racism doesn’t exist. "
I'd rather a world where we didn't have to fight for it.
But. Well. |
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"What does it mean to you Steve?
Black History month in the UK represents a time that Black people and cultures can be and are celebrated. And it’s nice to see my culture and people that look like me get the recognition that unfortunately they don’t get 12 months a year.
Obviously we shouldn’t need a month. I find that argument pointless because when we have conversations about decolonising curriculums we’re met with backlash, when we talk about teaching the horrors of empire or about the consequences of historical racism were told that it’s against the law to do so without teaching an opposing view. So we don’t need a month in an ideal world but that argument doesn’t account for the fact that when we’ve tried to make sure that we encompass the experiences of the entire African diaspora in curriculum and in other things it’s met with push back and government reports about how institutional racism doesn’t exist.
I'd rather a world where we didn't have to fight for it.
But. Well."
Same but charge it to the game.
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"What does it mean to you Steve?
Black History month in the UK represents a time that Black people and cultures can be and are celebrated. And it’s nice to see my culture and people that look like me get the recognition that unfortunately they don’t get 12 months a year.
Obviously we shouldn’t need a month. I find that argument pointless because when we have conversations about decolonising curriculums we’re met with backlash, when we talk about teaching the horrors of empire or about the consequences of historical racism were told that it’s against the law to do so without teaching an opposing view. So we don’t need a month in an ideal world but that argument doesn’t account for the fact that when we’ve tried to make sure that we encompass the experiences of the entire African diaspora in curriculum and in other things it’s met with push back and government reports about how institutional racism doesn’t exist.
I'd rather a world where we didn't have to fight for it.
But. Well.
Same but charge it to the game.
Being Black is long sometimes but it’s also my favourite thing about my life. "
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"What does it mean to you Steve?
Black History month in the UK represents a time that Black people and cultures can be and are celebrated. And it’s nice to see my culture and people that look like me get the recognition that unfortunately they don’t get 12 months a year.
Obviously we shouldn’t need a month. I find that argument pointless because when we have conversations about decolonising curriculums we’re met with backlash, when we talk about teaching the horrors of empire or about the consequences of historical racism were told that it’s against the law to do so without teaching an opposing view. So we don’t need a month in an ideal world but that argument doesn’t account for the fact that when we’ve tried to make sure that we encompass the experiences of the entire African diaspora in curriculum and in other things it’s met with push back and government reports about how institutional racism doesn’t exist.
I'd rather a world where we didn't have to fight for it.
But. Well.
Same but charge it to the game.
Being Black is long sometimes but it’s also my favourite thing about my life. "
I think that shows through your posts.
I have no idea what it's like to have people to call "my culture". I'm not part of anything, just me bobbing along feeling connected to fuck all, and feeling like I should feel guilty for being white and ashamed to be British even though I have zero idea of my heritage, whether my own ancestors were good, bad or indifferent.
I never used to feel like I should feel guilty, or I'm doing humaning wrong, for me the huge amounts of black n white printed in the media (literally) has made me worry I'm gonna upset people or be labelled racist for not necessarily understanding.
I'm glad you have pride and a sense of belonging. |
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"What does it mean to you Steve?
Black History month in the UK represents a time that Black people and cultures can be and are celebrated. And it’s nice to see my culture and people that look like me get the recognition that unfortunately they don’t get 12 months a year.
Obviously we shouldn’t need a month. I find that argument pointless because when we have conversations about decolonising curriculums we’re met with backlash, when we talk about teaching the horrors of empire or about the consequences of historical racism were told that it’s against the law to do so without teaching an opposing view. So we don’t need a month in an ideal world but that argument doesn’t account for the fact that when we’ve tried to make sure that we encompass the experiences of the entire African diaspora in curriculum and in other things it’s met with push back and government reports about how institutional racism doesn’t exist.
I'd rather a world where we didn't have to fight for it.
But. Well.
Same but charge it to the game.
Being Black is long sometimes but it’s also my favourite thing about my life.
I think that shows through your posts.
I have no idea what it's like to have people to call "my culture". I'm not part of anything, just me bobbing along feeling connected to fuck all, and feeling like I should feel guilty for being white and ashamed to be British even though I have zero idea of my heritage, whether my own ancestors were good, bad or indifferent.
I never used to feel like I should feel guilty, or I'm doing humaning wrong, for me the huge amounts of black n white printed in the media (literally) has made me worry I'm gonna upset people or be labelled racist for not necessarily understanding.
I'm glad you have pride and a sense of belonging. "
I think the ubiquitousness and invisibility of whiteness is a different kind of burden - and I suspect (along the lines of, history is written by the victors etc) that those outside the very narrow cultural elite will need to have our own conversations, our own reclaiming of history. To reclaim our own sense of culture. Alongside Black, indigenous, and other groups, not competing with them. |
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Maybe I’m missing something but all the posh shops where middle class racists with children called Tarquin go have big signs up saying “look at us we are woke’ but no further info. It would be good if there was a program of events , like the fringe festival , but less funny. Or maybe even comedy could be used ? I’d like to know more and join in .
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"Maybe I’m missing something but all the posh shops where middle class racists with children called Tarquin go have big signs up saying “look at us we are woke’ but no further info. It would be good if there was a program of events , like the fringe festival , but less funny. Or maybe even comedy could be used ? I’d like to know more and join in .
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Wow! Middle class racists? |
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"Maybe I’m missing something but all the posh shops where middle class racists with children called Tarquin go have big signs up saying “look at us we are woke’ but no further info. It would be good if there was a program of events , like the fringe festival , but less funny. Or maybe even comedy could be used ? I’d like to know more and join in .
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In London, there is a massive program of events. I used to live in Nottingham until 2011 and there was less there but then I never met an openly gay person in the 10 years that I lived in Nottingham either...so there's that. |
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"Maybe I’m missing something but all the posh shops where middle class racists with children called Tarquin go have big signs up saying “look at us we are woke’ but no further info. It would be good if there was a program of events , like the fringe festival , but less funny. Or maybe even comedy could be used ? I’d like to know more and join in .
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Sounds like Nottingham's changed since my last visit
https://www.blackhistorymonth.org.uk/listings/region/online-event/ |
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"Jesus did exist, his crucifixion is in the Roman records of the period of around 32AD.
Which Roman records?"
Tacitus, for one. He was writing maybe 80 or so years after the events but we accept modern sources on WW1 and other historical events from 80+ plus years ago.
I don't want to derail the thread and I'm no evangelical Christian, but the fact that Jesus existed and died by crucifixion is a fact. It's the rest of it that's not (son of god, miracles etc).
We can only link here to certain sources, so here's Wiki but it has got source links to follow and what it says is uncontroversial:
"Virtually all scholars of antiquity accept that Jesus was a historical figure, although interpretations of a number of the events mentioned in the gospels (most notably his miracles and resurrection) vary and are a subject of debate. Standard historical criteria have aided in evaluating the historicity of the gospel narratives, and only two key events are subject to "almost universal assent", namely that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and crucified by order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
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"Our history is gatekept by those in power. Pale, male, and stale. Those who don't want us to understand the rich tapestry of humanity, the contributions of all of us. Who deny or undermine the harm they've inflicted on other cultures (and those of us not in the upper echelons of society).
We are stronger together, with a richer understanding of our past and legacy. Not whitewashed for the delicate sensibilities of the elite."
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Black history for me is more than a celebration in October. I enjoyed researching and finding out new information of my ancestors that never been written in the history books.
I couldn't imagine 20 years ago, a month would be dedicated to celebrate Black people achievements. This makes me proud of the contribution Black people and people of colour have done to the world. |
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"Black history for me is more than a celebration in October. I enjoyed researching and finding out new information of my ancestors that never been written in the history books.
I couldn't imagine 20 years ago, a month would be dedicated to celebrate Black people achievements. This makes me proud of the contribution Black people and people of colour have done to the world. "
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