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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Anarchist revolution is spontaneous I think (not 100% sure).
But what I do think is that protest is meant to disrupt, their protests do and for that reason I think they’re pretty effective. And I stand in solidarity with people that risk their freedoms to protest for a better world. Sure I’d maybe do it differently but the more pressing issue is what’s happening to our world. That’s the more dangerous emergency. |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
Not sure what you mean by “so called protests.”
Don’t you believe that they are actually protesting about something?
For clarity, I wouldn’t use either term you’ve given as choices.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well, since terrorism works by instilling terror.... it hardly qualifies
They're the protest equivalent of flies thinking they can stop a car on the motorway |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"With all these so called protests going on by the likes of Just Stop Oil, Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion, would you say what they're doing is mindless anarchy or borderline terrorism?"
More like an act of public service. Our elected politicians could learn a lot from them. |
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"What do you think OP? "
I'd say what they're doing is somewhere between anarchy and borderline terrorism as they're causing acts of mindless vandalism in museums and other public places and they're putting lives at risk (aka ambulances) when they're blocking roads.
Heck, even the guy who started Extinction Rebellion said he was willing to let people die in blocked ambulances if it means getting their "message" across. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"What do you think OP?
I'd say what they're doing is somewhere between anarchy and borderline terrorism as they're causing acts of mindless vandalism in museums and other public places and they're putting lives at risk (aka ambulances) when they're blocking roads.
Heck, even the guy who started Extinction Rebellion said he was willing to let people die in blocked ambulances if it means getting their "message" across."
The conservative governments’ mismanagement of the NHS since 2010 have put lives at risk on a scale of magnitude that dwarfs anything any protest group might intentionally or inadvertently cause.
Perhaps you should take a look at them instead if that is your genuine concern. |
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"Not sure what you mean by “so called protests.”
Don’t you believe that they are actually protesting about something?
For clarity, I wouldn’t use either term you’ve given as choices.
Gbat "
I can understand when it comes to the environment but I don't think causing damage to property and putting lives at risk is not going to solve anything. It would just make people hate them even more. |
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"With all these so called protests going on by the likes of Just Stop Oil, Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion, would you say what they're doing is mindless anarchy or borderline terrorism?"
its domestic terrorism. Those that glue themselves, just leave them be.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well I hope the leader of insulate Britain has had his home done now . I can understand people's frustration about things and wanting to protest but trying to ruining great works of art is not the way to go about it . Not sure whst would get more publicity though x |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"Anarchist revolution is spontaneous I think (not 100% sure).
But what I do think is that protest is meant to disrupt, their protests do and for that reason I think they’re pretty effective. And I stand in solidarity with people that risk their freedoms to protest for a better world. Sure I’d maybe do it differently but the more pressing issue is what’s happening to our world. That’s the more dangerous emergency. "
It’s direct action. There are several forms of protest not within the normal ‘peaceful’ barrier but not breaking any major laws they include withholding labour or payments ,service disruption by non violent means such as removing products from shelves so it it hard to sell , disinvestment e.g organised mass closing of bank accounts , naming shareholders and suppliers of the enemy, meme wars. When you start attacking people or major infrastructure it becomes terrorism. |
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I admire the people and their dedication to helping to improve the world for billions of us. The majority of us now believe that significant action should be taken  . If we'd not had earlier and these protestors, we'd probably have lower levels of public agreement |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The thing I don’t get is they want to get government to take action so instead of blocking the government etc, they disrupt everyday joe bloggs from going around their daily business. Not excactly how to get people on side is it! |
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"The thing I don’t get is they want to get government to take action so instead of blocking the government etc, they disrupt everyday joe bloggs from going around their daily business. Not excactly how to get people on side is it! "
Nope. It's even worse that a few people have died in ambulance that were blocked by these "protests". |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"The thing I don’t get is they want to get government to take action so instead of blocking the government etc, they disrupt everyday joe bloggs from going around their daily business. Not excactly how to get people on side is it!
Nope. It's even worse that a few people have died in ambulance that were blocked by these "protests"."
Austerity since 2012 is estimated to have killed 130,000. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"The thing I don’t get is they want to get government to take action so instead of blocking the government etc, they disrupt everyday joe bloggs from going around their daily business. Not excactly how to get people on side is it! "
The government only care about the next couple of years and won’t do anything that will put their post-politics careers at a risk. A few exceptions on the Labour Party. In a democracy all the power is actually held by the people , but most are asleep |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
It's a tricky one. Protesting is meant to gather attention, cause a little disruption to shake things up.
The problem is more often than not some (most?) protests of late are done in a way which do not paint you (the protester) in a very good manner. It turns people away from your cause because you are an annoyance. Zero charisma and unable to rally people with inspiring words and insights.
Part of the blame also falls on that it is so easy for the general public to turn a blind eye to things that do need changing. Dig head in the sand and not worry until it may be too late. No immediate threat, doesn't matter. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
Does anybody think that the protests are done because people have nothing better to do?
I am asking genuinely because standing/ walking in the rain and risking arrest and a criminal record, never mind repercussions at work are surely no fun.
I am NOT saying that I would support aggressive actions, like the preventing an ambulance from getting to a hospital etc. but I am also wondering whether people actually take the time to ask what the motives are.
Environmental issues, climate change etc the kind of stuff David Attenborough speaks about are essential and good motives as they are directly linked to our survival. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If they want something bad enough jump on social media and bombard them the governmen are that weak willed they would fold in no time but no what we shall do is just piss off all the people we want to support us genius |
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Sometimes there is a question of “read the room”. The “climate crisis” is very distant in impact timescale in many peoples minds, given the very here and now current (pardon the pun) economic climate. This leads to the general population seeing these protests as more of a nuisance that makes life harder at a time when life is already hard.
It doesn’t help that many of the general population can’t identify with the protesters, as they tend to be fairly middle class, niche types (not a judgement, an observation).
I think their message is important, I think their methods are questionable, and some members rationale questionable. Terrorists? No. Disruptive? Yes but I guess that’s the point. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
"It's a tricky one. Protesting is meant to gather attention, cause a little disruption to shake things up.
The problem is more often than not some (most?) protests of late are done in a way which do not paint you (the protester) in a very good manner. It turns people away from your cause because you are an annoyance. Zero charisma and unable to rally people with inspiring words and insights.
Part of the blame also falls on that it is so easy for the general public to turn a blind eye to things that do need changing. Dig head in the sand and not worry until it may be too late. No immediate threat, doesn't matter. "
I did not see your post until after I posted mine.
I think you have a point there, about lacking charismatic leaders, messages and "product marketing" perhaps as well.
But it is so easy to just ignore the warning calls and instead to ridicule the few that are prepared to stand up and suffer uncomfortable treatment, by the general public and the police. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
"Sometimes there is a question of “read the room”. The “climate crisis” is very distant in impact timescale in many peoples minds, given the very here and now current (pardon the pun) economic climate. This leads to the general population seeing these protests as more of a nuisance that makes life harder at a time when life is already hard.
It doesn’t help that many of the general population can’t identify with the protesters, as they tend to be fairly middle class, niche types (not a judgement, an observation).
I think their message is important, I think their methods are questionable, and some members rationale questionable. Terrorists? No. Disruptive? Yes but I guess that’s the point. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If they really want to make statement to catch my attention instead of throwing shit over stuff or in this case soup I’d be more impressed if they jumped in front of a HGV now that’s a statement  "
To be fair, this works. Ask Emily Pankhurst. |
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"If they really want to make statement to catch my attention instead of throwing shit over stuff or in this case soup I’d be more impressed if they jumped in front of a HGV now that’s a statement
To be fair, this works. Ask Emily Pankhurst. "
this lot haven’t the bottle or backbone to do anything like that even as much as I hate the IRA you have to admire how Bobby sands stick to his guns (no pun) and starved himself to death for his cause and the others who coverd the walls of their cells in their own shit |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
"If they really want to make statement to catch my attention instead of throwing shit over stuff or in this case soup I’d be more impressed if they jumped in front of a HGV now that’s a statement
To be fair, this works. Ask Emily Pankhurst. this lot haven’t the bottle or backbone to do anything like that even as much as I hate the IRA you have to admire how Bobby sands stick to his guns (no pun) and starved himself to death for his cause and the others who coverd the walls of their cells in their own shit "
Can you please state who "this lot" is? |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
"If they really want to make statement to catch my attention instead of throwing shit over stuff or in this case soup I’d be more impressed if they jumped in front of a HGV now that’s a statement
To be fair, this works. Ask Emily Pankhurst. this lot haven’t the bottle or backbone to do anything like that even as much as I hate the IRA you have to admire how Bobby sands stick to his guns (no pun) and starved himself to death for his cause and the others who coverd the walls of their cells in their own shit Can you please state who "this lot" is?  the vandals who think it’s ok to deface buildings and art and statues do I need to go on ffs "
I was curious because not everybody who protests and supports protest marches is a vandal. When we say "they" or "this lot" without stating exactly who we are referring to, we become as indiscriminate as those who attack random statues or throw excrement over statues. |
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"If they really want to make statement to catch my attention instead of throwing shit over stuff or in this case soup I’d be more impressed if they jumped in front of a HGV now that’s a statement
To be fair, this works. Ask Emily Pankhurst. this lot haven’t the bottle or backbone to do anything like that even as much as I hate the IRA you have to admire how Bobby sands stick to his guns (no pun) and starved himself to death for his cause and the others who coverd the walls of their cells in their own shit Can you please state who "this lot" is? the vandals who think it’s ok to deface buildings and art and statues do I need to go on ffs
I was curious because not everybody who protests and supports protest marches is a vandal. When we say "they" or "this lot" without stating exactly who we are referring to, we become as indiscriminate as those who attack random statues or throw excrement over statues. "
I agree I should of worded it better |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If they really want to make statement to catch my attention instead of throwing shit over stuff or in this case soup I’d be more impressed if they jumped in front of a HGV now that’s a statement
To be fair, this works. Ask Emily Pankhurst. this lot haven’t the bottle or backbone to do anything like that even as much as I hate the IRA you have to admire how Bobby sands stick to his guns (no pun) and starved himself to death for his cause and the others who coverd the walls of their cells in their own shit Can you please state who "this lot" is? the vandals who think it’s ok to deface buildings and art and statues do I need to go on ffs "
Well, that would be two very different sets of people
The statue protestors, by and large, have been protesting against the continued veneration of historical figures who did atrocious things by requesting, then forcing, the removal of statues to, for example, sl ave traders.
The painting defacers have, by and large, been protesting about climate change, and in particular are a group known as Just Stop Oil, who have clearly all sat around a table at some point and decided that defacing historically important works of art is the best way they have of getting their vague message across.
Of the two, I'd say the firmer has clearer objective, a strategy that links them very clearly to the target of their protest, and some change of changing something. The latter, well, I personally find them "Yes, just "them", I don't know them personally) idiot bellends who harm their own cause. |
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By *ack688Man
over a year ago
abruzzo Italy (and UK) |
They are depicted as neglectful, violent, and disgusting, and further, accused of war-mongering and inciting the downfall of society.
Nope, not the current protesters, that was how suffragettes were portrayed at the time for fighting for a woman’s right to vote. Anyone seeking to make radical change by taking drastic action will always be demonised. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
(She/ her) in Sensualityland |
"They are depicted as neglectful, violent, and disgusting, and further, accused of war-mongering and inciting the downfall of society.
Nope, not the current protesters, that was how suffragettes were portrayed at the time for fighting for a woman’s right to vote. Anyone seeking to make radical change by taking drastic action will always be demonised. "
So true! |
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