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Do you class vaping as smoking
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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In my experience many people who vape turn to normal cigs when their vape runs out so my question is do you class vaping as smoking?
Should people who vape declare themselves as smokers on their profile? |
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By *oo..Woman
over a year ago
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A lot of places now like Insurance companies are listing people who Vape under the same risk category as Smokers.
They both can become a habit
They both have health risks
You are supposed to be of a certain age to purchase them.
Not many places will let you Vape indoors in Restaurants or Pubs.
Shops seem to have Vaping products near the Cigarettes when purchasing them.
So in all honesty Yes is probably the answer to Smokers and Vapers being classed as the same in many aspects. |
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I find vapers often more annoying to be walking behind than actual real smokers , especially the car ones when its cloud of smoke coming out .. I just think of that scene of predator 2 with kinky willy opening his limo 
Its an addiction and the sooner people can purge themselves of it the better they will be in life. very odd to see so many teenagers walking around vaping like its a fashion accessory .
I can understand smokers trying to quit piggies move to vaping to wind down the habit , what I find alien is why anyone would want to start vaping when they never smoked . .such a strange thing to do yet seems to be growing in popularity . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I do see them as similar enough to count as same.
I don't like the smell of them any better than alternatives. They're too sickly sweet like a heavy perfume or aftershave would be.
I certainly don't like having a cloud of second-hand vape puffed around me that I didn't choose to inhale. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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You can be flying down the street on your Magic Flying Carpet and all of a sudden you're in a cloud of strawberry smelling air. Not that great.
I'm amazed by how much vapour some of them put out. I once saw someone vaping in a car with the windows up and it looked like a mobile fog bank  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You can be flying down the street on your Magic Flying Carpet and all of a sudden you're in a cloud of strawberry smelling air. Not that great.
I'm amazed by how much vapour some of them put out. I once saw someone vaping in a car with the windows up and it looked like a mobile fog bank "
That’s the liquid vapes with tanks not disposable ones |
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"I do see them as similar enough to count as same.
I don't like the smell of them any better than alternatives. They're too sickly sweet like a heavy perfume or aftershave would be.
I certainly don't like having a cloud of second-hand vape puffed around me that I didn't choose to inhale."
This 
Whilst technically not the same, they still taste and smell awful. I would be disappointed if someone stated they didn’t smoke on their profile but turned up vaping for a meet.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The amount of "non-smokers" I've met who turn out to actually be smokers is crazy. I was a smoker once, but stopped years ago. I don't have a problem with people who smoke or vape. I personally hate the smell of alcohol, but putting that in my profile wouldn't do me many favours...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Honestly I sometimes like the smell of fag smoke gently in the breeze outside a pub (not the reeking clothes after a night out)…I think it’s just maybe some old 90’s nostalgia…
But those huge clouds of strawberry vanilla whatever fog walking down the high street.
I think it’s worse! |
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They’re different, smell especially. I vape after quitting smoking (not touched one since) but I’m also considerate and know that it’s not for everyone. I don’t vape at a meet (unless they do too), I don’t vape in crowds, round kids, enclosed spaces etc.
I hate the smell of ciggy smoke but will stand at a smoking area at a venue to vape since I know that other people don’t necessarily like the fruity smell either.. or the accompanying cloud |
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"Yes I class them as the same thing
Have you ever smoked or vaped?
Irrelevant to the OPs question.
Let's not go on smokers v non-smokers witch hunt"
Indeed, should people who vape declare themselves as smokers on their profile?
Perhaps the question should off been should people declare themselves as vapers? as smoking isn’t vaping |
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I’m a part time car valeter (kind of a paid hobby) I’d rather clean a smokers car than a Vaper’s one. The residue that covers everything in the car is disgusting and hard to remove from plastics and glass. Imagine what that shit is doing to your lungs and airways. 
Yes smoking is bad and stinks the car out too but it’s so much easier to deal with as a valeter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes I class them as the same thing
Have you ever smoked or vaped?
Irrelevant to the OPs question.
Let's not go on smokers v non-smokers witch hunt"
I've not turned it into a witch hunt about anything. Just asked a perfectly valid question, that's all. |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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"What's surprising is how many people (on this thread too) are smokers yet, their profile states non-smoker "
It has never occurred to me before that people wouldn’t see it as smoking. People are puffing on it and it still has harmful ingredients. |
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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago
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"What's surprising is how many people (on this thread too) are smokers yet, their profile states non-smoker "
Agree and some even have pics of them with cigs in their hands or mouths.I think they hope people wouldn't notice or won't mind once they've met them . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I just don’t like how some vapers think because it smells like candy floss they can blow big clouds in your face."
Maybe you should be telling them to go away then? Can't say I've ever seen that myself.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I just don’t like how some vapers think because it smells like candy floss they can blow big clouds in your face.
Maybe you should be telling them to go away then? Can't say I've ever seen that myself...."
They get a lot more than “go away”. |
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Personally no I don't consider vapers to be smokers so I don't think they should tick that they're a smoker on their profile. I do think it would be a good idea for them to state it on their profile though to avoid wasting time meeting people they're not compatible with however. I would also support the suggestion of adding a tick box for vapers.
As it seems to be being asked, I have never smoked or vaped. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I vape and don’t consider myself a smoker.
I used to smoke and have been stopped for about 6 years.
I don’t puff out clouds of smoke and I can go all day without it, so personally, I don’t think it’s the same.
Smokers smell of cigarettes, their clothes and hair smell of cigarettes, but I’ve never come across anyone that “smells of vape”
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In my experience many people who vape turn to normal cigs when their vape runs out so my question is do you class vaping as smoking?
Should people who vape declare themselves as smokers on their profile?"
Yes . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a lifelong smoker (from 16 years old lol), I have tried Vaping to get off of ciggies. Never has worked for me. So in answer to the question "Do you class vaping as smoking" no i don't. Simply because for me, it's not the same as smoking. |
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"I vape and don’t consider myself a smoker.
I used to smoke and have been stopped for about 6 years.
I don’t puff out clouds of smoke and I can go all day without it, so personally, I don’t think it’s the same.
Smokers smell of cigarettes, their clothes and hair smell of cigarettes, but I’ve never come across anyone that “smells of vape”
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Have to disagree with that about smelling of vape. The cherry puke aroma is unmistakable on some of my work colleagues. |
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It's not smoking.
No combustion, nor inhalation of anything that's been burned, including any smoke.
There may be no consumption of any nicotine either. Having candles burning in your vicinity is closer to smoking, where you'll inhale smoke particles. Vaping is closer to steaming with eucalyptus oil, which nobody would have any issues with. |
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"In 20 years or so there will be an epidemic of people with lung problems, from breathing in chemicals that are made to taste like rhubarb and custard "
There's evidence published today that highlights the vastly safer profile of vaping. The safer impact is already understood and we don't need to fearmonger about hidden danger, when we see evidence of the reduced damage that's done, compared to smoking cigarettes now. |
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By *dy-ukTV/TS
over a year ago
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Yes.
I gave up smoking 8 years ago.
I switched to vape to help give up and it worked.
6 months on the vape and I used it less and less till kicked both for good.
I look at anyone smoking or vaping and I think of them as the sane.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In 20 years or so there will be an epidemic of people with lung problems, from breathing in chemicals that are made to taste like rhubarb and custard
There's evidence published today that highlights the vastly safer profile of vaping. The safer impact is already understood and we don't need to fearmonger about hidden danger, when we see evidence of the reduced damage that's done, compared to smoking cigarettes now. "
Exactly. There have been so many products on the smoke free/nicotine market for many years. But the main one that's took hold is vapes. There is no tar in vape liquids nor disposable units. I doubt there is anyone arguing they're a healthy option. But they're a damn sight better than cigarettes. If someone wants to complain about damage to airways, breathing problems, and lungs? Do you really think you're any better off walking next to a main road, standing at a bus stop, being in a carpark? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No I dont think so but vaping is bad for you and I think the long term effects are unknown at this point "
They are very well known. There have been many long term tests carried out by numerous cancer charities. The RCP have officially stated that it's around 95% safer than smoking when using the correct liquids.
You aren't inhaling the harmful chemicals caused by combustion such as formaldehyde, benzine or any of the other couple of thousand compounds you find in cigarettes. In fact one of the 3 ingredients found in vape liquid was used in asthma inhalers for many years. |
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By *isaB45Woman
over a year ago
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"In my experience many people who vape turn to normal cigs when their vape runs out so my question is do you class vaping as smoking?
Should people who vape declare themselves as smokers on their profile?"
No.
I think that it's just like the sweeteners of the hot drink world.
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"Yes, they're obviously the same.
Yes, vapers should disclose themselves as smokers on their profiles.
Why ? "
Because they are so similar, both smell, both cause clouds of smoke, both are an act of inhaling a chemical into your mouth causing the mouth to smell then exhaling.
How is this not the same? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes, they're obviously the same.
Yes, vapers should disclose themselves as smokers on their profiles.
Why ?
Because they are so similar, both smell, both cause clouds of smoke, both are an act of inhaling a chemical into your mouth causing the mouth to smell then exhaling.
How is this not the same? "
Because you're not inhaling smoke for a start. |
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"Yes, they're obviously the same.
Yes, vapers should disclose themselves as smokers on their profiles.
Why ?
Because they are so similar, both smell, both cause clouds of smoke, both are an act of inhaling a chemical into your mouth causing the mouth to smell then exhaling.
How is this not the same?
Because you're not inhaling smoke for a start."
Agreed but we are not discussing the health implications we are discussing the social side of smoking.
Your body your choice health wise |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes, they're obviously the same.
Yes, vapers should disclose themselves as smokers on their profiles.
Why ?
Because they are so similar, both smell, both cause clouds of smoke, both are an act of inhaling a chemical into your mouth causing the mouth to smell then exhaling.
How is this not the same?
Because you're not inhaling smoke for a start.
Agreed but we are not discussing the health implications we are discussing the social side of smoking.
Your body your choice health wise"
That greatly depends on the person vaping.
For example, I have a couple of devices - one that produces huge clouds and operates at over 100w which I use outdoors at home. The other is a little 19w device that I use when I'm out. It barely produces and vapour and I'm always careful not to blow it in anyone's direction. If I hold the vapour in my lungs for a few seconds I don't exhale anything at all! That doesn't happen with cigarettes.
I also don't class myself as a smoker.
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"Yes, they're obviously the same.
Yes, vapers should disclose themselves as smokers on their profiles.
Why ?
Because they are so similar, both smell, both cause clouds of smoke, both are an act of inhaling a chemical into your mouth causing the mouth to smell then exhaling.
How is this not the same? "
Well done similar isn’t the same |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As said, worlds apart.
Vaping is not the same as smoking, vape liquid contains 4 ingredients with the nicotine being optional, cigarettes contain a stupidly high amount of chemicals.
You can’t smell the nicotine in vape.
The ingredients of vape juice are consumed by users and non users on a daily basis, they are food grade items.
Blowing massive clouds is ridiculous, akin to peacocking, discrete vapes are perfectly fine.
If someone doesn’t smoke or vape, I won’t vape near them out of common courtesy, or at least ask if they mind me vaping, I don’t blow clouds as I walk down the road, why should other people breath my byproduct?
The cheaper fluids seem to produce more residue, stronger odours when used, quality juice produces more flavour and less vapour depending on device settings and user preferences.
The market has been flooded with disposable devices, these are not cost effective and a lot aren’t regulated or they are cheap copies, these are the health risk.
But no, vaping is not the same as smoking. |
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Same or not either way you're substituting one habit for another. I was a heavy smoker until I got bored of smoking and gave up. However one habit I never managed to shake was holding the nasty white stick even now I find myself holding pens like a cigarette, sometimes but not all the time I put pens or even stick sweets in my mouth and hold them like I'm smoling them until I realise what I'm doing.
I would guess that most people who have quit ciggies for vape are just filling the void with something else to suck on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I vape and don’t consider myself a smoker.
I used to smoke and have been stopped for about 6 years.
I don’t puff out clouds of smoke and I can go all day without it, so personally, I don’t think it’s the same.
Smokers smell of cigarettes, their clothes and hair smell of cigarettes, but I’ve never come across anyone that “smells of vape”
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This |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Vaping is just another way to smoke, it’s not any healthier, drawing chemicals into your lungs other than air is not healthy whatever you believe about it. I smoked for 10 years, gave up 30 years ago.
People have died from lung damage caused by using e-cigarettes & vapes. If you want to give up smoking - just do it, what’s stopping you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Same or not either way you're substituting one habit for another. I was a heavy smoker until I got bored of smoking and gave up. However one habit I never managed to shake was holding the nasty white stick even now I find myself holding pens like a cigarette, sometimes but not all the time I put pens or even stick sweets in my mouth and hold them like I'm smoling them until I realise what I'm doing.
I would guess that most people who have quit ciggies for vape are just filling the void with something else to suck on. "
Exactly this. And still damaging their health as a result |
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"In my experience many people who vape turn to normal cigs when their vape runs out so my question is do you class vaping as smoking?
Should people who vape declare themselves as smokers on their profile?"
its meant to be an aid to stop smoking, so no |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People have died from lung damage caused by using e-cigarettes & vapes. If you want to give up smoking - just do it, what’s stopping you? "
Between May 2016 and January 2021 the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in the UK received 231 reports of 618 adverse reactions believed to be associated with vaping product. Since May 2016 there have been three deaths in the UK linked with vaping products.7 Aug 2022
There’s reports which state vaping related deaths, predominantly from America, but they also state that many of the people had underlying health conditions, probably started by smoking o environmental issues.
There is over 7000 chemicals in cigarettes, 4 in vape juice, with 1, the nicotine, being optional.
Propylene glycol - is used in food to preserve flavour and quality, it’s in many products consumed daily.
Vegetable glycerin - used in soft drinks, cakes, sweets, meat and cheeses.
Flavourings - self explanatory, used in food.
Nicotine - medical grade nicotine is used.
Using reputable manufacturers of juice, where they are regulated by appropriate authorities, as far as I can tell, have little to no issues to users.
When you buy 60ml of juice from your local pound shop, you really have to ask yourself how they can produce it so cheaply and is it really safe? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People have died from lung damage caused by using e-cigarettes & vapes. If you want to give up smoking - just do it, what’s stopping you?
Between May 2016 and January 2021 the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in the UK received 231 reports of 618 adverse reactions believed to be associated with vaping product. Since May 2016 there have been three deaths in the UK linked with vaping products.7 Aug 2022
There’s reports which state vaping related deaths, predominantly from America, but they also state that many of the people had underlying health conditions, probably started by smoking o environmental issues.
There is over 7000 chemicals in cigarettes, 4 in vape juice, with 1, the nicotine, being optional.
Propylene glycol - is used in food to preserve flavour and quality, it’s in many products consumed daily.
Vegetable glycerin - used in soft drinks, cakes, sweets, meat and cheeses.
Flavourings - self explanatory, used in food.
Nicotine - medical grade nicotine is used.
Using reputable manufacturers of juice, where they are regulated by appropriate authorities, as far as I can tell, have little to no issues to users.
When you buy 60ml of juice from your local pound shop, you really have to ask yourself how they can produce it so cheaply and is it really safe? "
Yes but when you are EATING all these additives it affects the body in a different way, they are not supposed to be drawn in to a sensitive organ that predominantly keeps you alive….
When you buy a 60ml carton of juice do you do so with the intention of sticking the straw up your nose and inhaling it? |
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Yes, yes. Interesting...
I do dislike both, but dislike breathing vape perhaps slightly less than cigs. I'd say you may tick the non-smoker box if you literally do not ever smoke cigarettes, but vaping should be declared front and centre in your profile 'about me' section.
Having said all of that, both smokers and vapers are just as welcome to sex me as anybody else!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People have died from lung damage caused by using e-cigarettes & vapes. If you want to give up smoking - just do it, what’s stopping you?
Between May 2016 and January 2021 the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in the UK received 231 reports of 618 adverse reactions believed to be associated with vaping product. Since May 2016 there have been three deaths in the UK linked with vaping products.7 Aug 2022
There’s reports which state vaping related deaths, predominantly from America, but they also state that many of the people had underlying health conditions, probably started by smoking o environmental issues.
There is over 7000 chemicals in cigarettes, 4 in vape juice, with 1, the nicotine, being optional.
Propylene glycol - is used in food to preserve flavour and quality, it’s in many products consumed daily.
Vegetable glycerin - used in soft drinks, cakes, sweets, meat and cheeses.
Flavourings - self explanatory, used in food.
Nicotine - medical grade nicotine is used.
Using reputable manufacturers of juice, where they are regulated by appropriate authorities, as far as I can tell, have little to no issues to users.
When you buy 60ml of juice from your local pound shop, you really have to ask yourself how they can produce it so cheaply and is it really safe? "
All liquids sold in the EU have to be tested and certified, so yes, they're safe. As for how they can make it so cheap, the ingredients are ridiculously cheap for the average consumer to buy. Imagine how cheap it is when you're buying hundreds of thousands of litres of the stuff. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People have died from lung damage caused by using e-cigarettes & vapes. If you want to give up smoking - just do it, what’s stopping you?
Between May 2016 and January 2021 the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in the UK received 231 reports of 618 adverse reactions believed to be associated with vaping product. Since May 2016 there have been three deaths in the UK linked with vaping products.7 Aug 2022
There’s reports which state vaping related deaths, predominantly from America, but they also state that many of the people had underlying health conditions, probably started by smoking o environmental issues.
There is over 7000 chemicals in cigarettes, 4 in vape juice, with 1, the nicotine, being optional.
Propylene glycol - is used in food to preserve flavour and quality, it’s in many products consumed daily.
Vegetable glycerin - used in soft drinks, cakes, sweets, meat and cheeses.
Flavourings - self explanatory, used in food.
Nicotine - medical grade nicotine is used.
Using reputable manufacturers of juice, where they are regulated by appropriate authorities, as far as I can tell, have little to no issues to users.
When you buy 60ml of juice from your local pound shop, you really have to ask yourself how they can produce it so cheaply and is it really safe?
Yes but when you are EATING all these additives it affects the body in a different way, they are not supposed to be drawn in to a sensitive organ that predominantly keeps you alive….
When you buy a 60ml carton of juice do you do so with the intention of sticking the straw up your nose and inhaling it? "
^^ exactly
Let's not hide the reality of these risks in plain sight with false comparisons.
And please don't sanitise it by calling it juice.
Coating the inside of your lungs with anything other than what nature intended is foolish imho and not worth the damage or risk to life.
You can't scrape that residue off, once it's there it's there |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People have died from lung damage caused by using e-cigarettes & vapes. If you want to give up smoking - just do it, what’s stopping you?
Between May 2016 and January 2021 the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in the UK received 231 reports of 618 adverse reactions believed to be associated with vaping product. Since May 2016 there have been three deaths in the UK linked with vaping products.7 Aug 2022
There’s reports which state vaping related deaths, predominantly from America, but they also state that many of the people had underlying health conditions, probably started by smoking o environmental issues.
There is over 7000 chemicals in cigarettes, 4 in vape juice, with 1, the nicotine, being optional.
Propylene glycol - is used in food to preserve flavour and quality, it’s in many products consumed daily.
Vegetable glycerin - used in soft drinks, cakes, sweets, meat and cheeses.
Flavourings - self explanatory, used in food.
Nicotine - medical grade nicotine is used.
Using reputable manufacturers of juice, where they are regulated by appropriate authorities, as far as I can tell, have little to no issues to users.
When you buy 60ml of juice from your local pound shop, you really have to ask yourself how they can produce it so cheaply and is it really safe? "
Those deaths were linked to people using oil in their liquids (vitamin a oil if I recall) and not proper vape liquids, same with the deaths in America.
The vape industry has been great at self regulation and removing any ingredients even remotely thought to be harmful. Most manufacturers removed diacetyl when the Daily Mail invented the link to popcorn lung almost immediately.
Not something the tobacco industry has ever done. |
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"All liquids sold in the EU have to be tested and certified, so yes, they're safe. As for how they can make it so cheap, the ingredients are ridiculously cheap for the average consumer to buy. Imagine how cheap it is when you're buying hundreds of thousands of litres of the stuff."
There is a huge black market within the industry, just like many other industries out there. |
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"Yes but when you are EATING all these additives it affects the body in a different way, they are not supposed to be drawn in to a sensitive organ that predominantly keeps you alive….
When you buy a 60ml carton of juice do you do so with the intention of sticking the straw up your nose and inhaling it? "
Granted, anything heated or cooled or baked takes on a different appearance, but these products aren’t just used in food, they are used in health and beauty products, shampoo, toothpaste, body wash, moisturisers, make up etc, you’re in contact with them regardless.
You can actually drink vape juice, if you so desired, they produce flavoured shots for drinks which have the same properties as the vape juice, if you’re going to inhale the aroma by sticking the “straw” up your nose, i guess it’s no different than using a certain product predominantly used by people from the gay/bi community. |
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"All liquids sold in the EU have to be tested and certified, so yes, they're safe. As for how they can make it so cheap, the ingredients are ridiculously cheap for the average consumer to buy. Imagine how cheap it is when you're buying hundreds of thousands of litres of the stuff.
There is a huge black market within the industry, just like many other industries out there. "
They'll still contain the same 3 ingredients and you're less likely to find them sold on the high street though. |
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"Yes but when you are EATING all these additives it affects the body in a different way, they are not supposed to be drawn in to a sensitive organ that predominantly keeps you alive….
When you buy a 60ml carton of juice do you do so with the intention of sticking the straw up your nose and inhaling it?
Granted, anything heated or cooled or baked takes on a different appearance, but these products aren’t just used in food, they are used in health and beauty products, shampoo, toothpaste, body wash, moisturisers, make up etc, you’re in contact with them regardless.
You can actually drink vape juice, if you so desired, they produce flavoured shots for drinks which have the same properties as the vape juice, if you’re going to inhale the aroma by sticking the “straw” up your nose, i guess it’s no different than using a certain product predominantly used by people from the gay/bi community."
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There isn't enough research into vaping yet but it's considered to be just about better than smoking but not a good idea in the first place, according to the news report I watched yesterday, and apparently more and more youngsters are vaping who have never smoked |
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"? Those deaths were linked to people using oil in their liquids (vitamin a oil if I recall) and not proper vape liquids, same with the deaths in America.
The vape industry has been great at self regulation and removing any ingredients even remotely thought to be harmful. Most manufacturers removed diacetyl when the Daily Mail invented the link to popcorn lung almost immediately.
Not something the tobacco industry has ever done."
So basically people adding products not suitable for its purpose.
The vape industry has come along leaps and bounds and clears any hurdle put in front of them by health authorities.
The quote was from the UK and the popcorn lung which is not produced by ecigs, and has been disproven many times, it’s literally the flavouring for microwaveable popcorn was mixed in a fine powder form, resulting in lung conditions of the workers, think along the lines of asbestosis.
Diacetyl was mainly used stateside and the juices which were imported did contain it, now I believe you can’t import the juice if it contains it.
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"There isn't enough research into vaping yet but it's considered to be just about better than smoking but not a good idea in the first place, according to the news report I watched yesterday, and apparently more and more youngsters are vaping who have never smoked"
There's literally been thousands of long term, independent studies carried out! Vaping has been around since the 60's.
I agree that it's not 100% safe but Imperial Cancer Research, The British Lung Foundation and the Royal College of Physicians all agree it's between 95 and 97% safer than cigarettes, you can even read their reports if you so desire.
This thread wasn't supposed to be about the possible negative health effects it was supposed to be about people finding it obnoxious and I firmly stand by what I said earlier. It's not the vape, it's the person vaping. |
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"^^ exactly
Let's not hide the reality of these risks in plain sight with false comparisons.
And please don't sanitise it by calling it juice.
Coating the inside of your lungs with anything other than what nature intended is foolish imho and not worth the damage or risk to life.
You can't scrape that residue off, once it's there it's there "
Granted, there are risks with any manufactured product a person consumes, but it’s far less risky than cigarettes, the world around us is full of pollutants regardless of the source.
He only way to minimise contact is to live in the mountains or a cave, stop eating packaged products or using soap. |
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"There's literally been thousands of long term, independent studies carried out! Vaping has been around since the 60's.
I agree that it's not 100% safe but Imperial Cancer Research, The British Lung Foundation and the Royal College of Physicians all agree it's between 95 and 97% safer than cigarettes, you can even read their reports if you so desire.
This thread wasn't supposed to be about the possible negative health effects it was supposed to be about people finding it obnoxious and I firmly stand by what I said earlier. It's not the vape, it's the person vaping."
There’s plenty of research out there, but people take what’s put in front of them.
Back on topic, I won’t vape unless it’s acceptable to the people around me and I wont do it in crowded public places. |
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"People have died from lung damage caused by using e-cigarettes & vapes. If you want to give up smoking - just do it, what’s stopping you?
Between May 2016 and January 2021 the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency in the UK received 231 reports of 618 adverse reactions believed to be associated with vaping product. Since May 2016 there have been three deaths in the UK linked with vaping products.7 Aug 2022
There’s reports which state vaping related deaths, predominantly from America, but they also state that many of the people had underlying health conditions, probably started by smoking o environmental issues.
There is over 7000 chemicals in cigarettes, 4 in vape juice, with 1, the nicotine, being optional.
Propylene glycol - is used in food to preserve flavour and quality, it’s in many products consumed daily.
Vegetable glycerin - used in soft drinks, cakes, sweets, meat and cheeses.
Flavourings - self explanatory, used in food.
Nicotine - medical grade nicotine is used.
Using reputable manufacturers of juice, where they are regulated by appropriate authorities, as far as I can tell, have little to no issues to users.
When you buy 60ml of juice from your local pound shop, you really have to ask yourself how they can produce it so cheaply and is it really safe?
Yes but when you are EATING all these additives it affects the body in a different way, they are not supposed to be drawn in to a sensitive organ that predominantly keeps you alive….
When you buy a 60ml carton of juice do you do so with the intention of sticking the straw up your nose and inhaling it?
^^ exactly
Let's not hide the reality of these risks in plain sight with false comparisons.
And please don't sanitise it by calling it juice.
Coating the inside of your lungs with anything other than what nature intended is foolish imho and not worth the damage or risk to life.
You can't scrape that residue off, once it's there it's there "
What else should it be called then?
Also, it doesn't coat your lungs, it's dealt with by the body's lymphatic system, you're more at risk walking to the shops and breathing the pollution and carcinogens the government has allowed industries to pump into the air for decades. |
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"There isn't enough research into vaping yet but it's considered to be just about better than smoking but not a good idea in the first place, according to the news report I watched yesterday, and apparently more and more youngsters are vaping who have never smoked
There's literally been thousands of long term, independent studies carried out! Vaping has been around since the 60's.
I agree that it's not 100% safe but Imperial Cancer Research, The British Lung Foundation and the Royal College of Physicians all agree it's between 95 and 97% safer than cigarettes, you can even read their reports if you so desire.
This thread wasn't supposed to be about the possible negative health effects it was supposed to be about people finding it obnoxious and I firmly stand by what I said earlier. It's not the vape, it's the person vaping."
That sounds like a reply from a vaper |
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"Depends on what is being vaped. If the vape has no nicotine then it's slightly different x"
All vapes have a degree of nicotine in them - that’s the whole point. Like someone earlier said, vapes were supposed to replace smoking fags, to enable them to stop. You start with the higher nicotine level and slowly cut down the level, but then people become addicted to the motion of the vape itself, the holding the sucking, inhaling then exhaling, it’s just another form of smoking
There have been 3 deaths in the UK from vaping, granted that doesn’t seem much, & there’s been many more deaths in America, but look at the size of America compared to the UK! Also look at how unhealthy the majority of Americans are. |
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No, but to anyone who does it Would probably be better not introducing unnatural chemicals of any kind into parts of your body not evolved for absorbing them. |
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"Depends on what is being vaped. If the vape has no nicotine then it's slightly different x
All vapes have a degree of nicotine in them - that’s the whole point. Like someone earlier said, vapes were supposed to replace smoking fags, to enable them to stop. You start with the higher nicotine level and slowly cut down the level, but then people become addicted to the motion of the vape itself, the holding the sucking, inhaling then exhaling, it’s just another form of smoking
There have been 3 deaths in the UK from vaping, granted that doesn’t seem much, & there’s been many more deaths in America, but look at the size of America compared to the UK! Also look at how unhealthy the majority of Americans are. "
Untrue! There are hundreds of nicotine free vaping liquids on the market. For many smoking is a habit more than anything else, it isn’t necessarily an addiction to the nicotine. |
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"There isn't enough research into vaping yet but it's considered to be just about better than smoking but not a good idea in the first place, according to the news report I watched yesterday, and apparently more and more youngsters are vaping who have never smoked
There's literally been thousands of long term, independent studies carried out! Vaping has been around since the 60's.
I agree that it's not 100% safe but Imperial Cancer Research, The British Lung Foundation and the Royal College of Physicians all agree it's between 95 and 97% safer than cigarettes, you can even read their reports if you so desire.
This thread wasn't supposed to be about the possible negative health effects it was supposed to be about people finding it obnoxious and I firmly stand by what I said earlier. It's not the vape, it's the person vaping.
That sounds like a reply from a vaper"
If you read our profile you'll see that I am. I also read a lot of the studies associated with it rather than rely on the press or Facebook for uneducated opinions on the subject. |
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"Depends on what is being vaped. If the vape has no nicotine then it's slightly different x
All vapes have a degree of nicotine in them - that’s the whole point. Like someone earlier said, vapes were supposed to replace smoking fags, to enable them to stop. You start with the higher nicotine level and slowly cut down the level, but then people become addicted to the motion of the vape itself, the holding the sucking, inhaling then exhaling, it’s just another form of smoking
There have been 3 deaths in the UK from vaping, granted that doesn’t seem much, & there’s been many more deaths in America, but look at the size of America compared to the UK! Also look at how unhealthy the majority of Americans are. "
Those deaths were due to people using oils in their Vapes rather than actual vape liquid. The deaths in America were were similar but they were using vitamin A oil as a carrier for cannabis. You can't vape a lipid and expect good results. |
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Medical journals worldwide state that the '95% better than smoking' has not been evidenced so I'd take that with a pinch of salt.
They mention the chemical changes to the 'harmless' ingredients under the effects of heat and how you can end up inhaling formaldehyde amongst other things.
They also caution against vaping as they fear it is a repeat of the smoking scenario where hindsight is a great thing. And they liken it to a ticking time bomb.
We simply have zero knowledge of the longterm effects. That's the only certainty in this whole thing. |
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"Medical journals worldwide state that the '95% better than smoking' has not been evidenced so I'd take that with a pinch of salt.
They mention the chemical changes to the 'harmless' ingredients under the effects of heat and how you can end up inhaling formaldehyde amongst other things.
They also caution against vaping as they fear it is a repeat of the smoking scenario where hindsight is a great thing. And they liken it to a ticking time bomb.
We simply have zero knowledge of the longterm effects. That's the only certainty in this whole thing."
It's been well documented.
This is a direct quote from the Royal College of Physicians (y'know, doctors n scientists)...
E-cigarettes and long-term harm – the possibility of some harm from long-term e-cigarette use cannot be dismissed due to inhalation of ingredients other than nicotine, but is likely to be very small, and substantially smaller than that arising from tobacco smoking. Although it is not possible to estimate the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes precisely, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure
That was back in 2017 and further studies have been carried out since then.
I'm not sure if I can post a link but you can Google it if you want to read it.
The inhalation of formaldehyde came from a study funded by Phillip Morris where they deliberately used a device designed to operate at 9w at over 20w. This burned the cotton and produced formaldehyde so cannot be taken seriously. |
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This has been a good thread,
The op asked, should people declare themselves as smokers on their profile’s, the answer is no because smoking and vaping are not the same, those who class vaping as smoking is because they dislike both nothing wrong with this however they are not the same
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"Depends on what is being vaped. If the vape has no nicotine then it's slightly different x
All vapes have a degree of nicotine in them - that’s the whole point. Like someone earlier said, vapes were supposed to replace smoking fags, to enable them to stop. You start with the higher nicotine level and slowly cut down the level, but then people become addicted to the motion of the vape itself, the holding the sucking, inhaling then exhaling, it’s just another form of smoking
There have been 3 deaths in the UK from vaping, granted that doesn’t seem much, & there’s been many more deaths in America, but look at the size of America compared to the UK! Also look at how unhealthy the majority of Americans are.
Those deaths were due to people using oils in their Vapes rather than actual vape liquid. The deaths in America were were similar but they were using vitamin A oil as a carrier for cannabis. You can't vape a lipid and expect good results."
You’re attributing that analogy to every single death? Jeez |
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"Depends on what is being vaped. If the vape has no nicotine then it's slightly different x
All vapes have a degree of nicotine in them - that’s the whole point. Like someone earlier said, vapes were supposed to replace smoking fags, to enable them to stop. You start with the higher nicotine level and slowly cut down the level, but then people become addicted to the motion of the vape itself, the holding the sucking, inhaling then exhaling, it’s just another form of smoking
There have been 3 deaths in the UK from vaping, granted that doesn’t seem much, & there’s been many more deaths in America, but look at the size of America compared to the UK! Also look at how unhealthy the majority of Americans are.
Those deaths were due to people using oils in their Vapes rather than actual vape liquid. The deaths in America were were similar but they were using vitamin A oil as a carrier for cannabis. You can't vape a lipid and expect good results.
You’re attributing that analogy to every single death? Jeez "
Because that was the cause. |
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"Medical journals worldwide state that the '95% better than smoking' has not been evidenced so I'd take that with a pinch of salt.
They mention the chemical changes to the 'harmless' ingredients under the effects of heat and how you can end up inhaling formaldehyde amongst other things.
They also caution against vaping as they fear it is a repeat of the smoking scenario where hindsight is a great thing. And they liken it to a ticking time bomb.
We simply have zero knowledge of the longterm effects. That's the only certainty in this whole thing.
It's been well documented.
This is a direct quote from the Royal College of Physicians (y'know, doctors n scientists)...
E-cigarettes and long-term harm – the possibility of some harm from long-term e-cigarette use cannot be dismissed due to inhalation of ingredients other than nicotine, but is likely to be very small, and substantially smaller than that arising from tobacco smoking. Although it is not possible to estimate the long-term health risks associated with e-cigarettes precisely, the available data suggest that they are unlikely to exceed 5% of those associated with smoked tobacco products, and may well be substantially lower than this figure
That was back in 2017 and further studies have been carried out since then.
I'm not sure if I can post a link but you can Google it if you want to read it.
The inhalation of formaldehyde came from a study funded by Phillip Morris where they deliberately used a device designed to operate at 9w at over 20w. This burned the cotton and produced formaldehyde so cannot be taken seriously."
Fairly sure you need to be a Dr or scientist to get published in the medical journals I mentioned. |
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Just underlines that medical folk don't know and can't agree.
All just giving what little research has brought to light so far, which doesn't give me any kind of reassurance. |
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"Depends on what is being vaped. If the vape has no nicotine then it's slightly different x
All vapes have a degree of nicotine in them - that’s the whole point. Like someone earlier said, vapes were supposed to replace smoking fags, to enable them to stop. You start with the higher nicotine level and slowly cut down the level, but then people become addicted to the motion of the vape itself, the holding the sucking, inhaling then exhaling, it’s just another form of smoking
There have been 3 deaths in the UK from vaping, granted that doesn’t seem much, & there’s been many more deaths in America, but look at the size of America compared to the UK! Also look at how unhealthy the majority of Americans are.
Those deaths were due to people using oils in their Vapes rather than actual vape liquid. The deaths in America were were similar but they were using vitamin A oil as a carrier for cannabis. You can't vape a lipid and expect good results.
You’re attributing that analogy to every single death? Jeez
Because that was the cause."
Of all 2,807 deaths?
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over a year ago
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I would say they are both similar. I think personally that it a better alternative to smoking for those that smoke but can't see why a non smoker would want to start vaping.
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"This has been a good thread,
The op asked, should people declare themselves as smokers on their profile’s, the answer is no because smoking and vaping are not the same, those who class vaping as smoking is because they dislike both nothing wrong with this however they are not the same
Mr "
In your opinion, the answer is no. Other people have differing opinions and you need to respect that.
It’s a grey area.
Fab probably should have an additional box for Vaping. Then it would be for the is individual to decide if it’s a deal beaker or not.
Enjoy your day..and soon to be weekend |
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"This has been a good thread,
The op asked, should people declare themselves as smokers on their profile’s, the answer is no because smoking and vaping are not the same, those who class vaping as smoking is because they dislike both nothing wrong with this however they are not the same
Mr
In your opinion, the answer is no. Other people have differing opinions and you need to respect that.
It’s a grey area.
Fab probably should have an additional box for Vaping. Then it would be for the is individual to decide if it’s a deal beaker or not.
Enjoy your day..and soon to be weekend "
It’s not an opinion, vaping is not smoking |
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"This has been a good thread,
The op asked, should people declare themselves as smokers on their profile’s, the answer is no because smoking and vaping are not the same, those who class vaping as smoking is because they dislike both nothing wrong with this however they are not the same
Mr
In your opinion, the answer is no. Other people have differing opinions and you need to respect that.
It’s a grey area.
Fab probably should have an additional box for Vaping. Then it would be for the is individual to decide if it’s a deal beaker or not.
Enjoy your day..and soon to be weekend "
Agree an option would help to click in fairness... |
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Definition of Smoking
noun
noun: smoking
the action or habit of inhaling and exhaling the smoke of tobacco by sucking on the end of a lit cigarette, cigar, pipe, or joint
"the effect of smoking on health"
adjective
adjective: smoking;
1.
emitting smoke or visible vapour.
Definition of Vape
vaping
noun: vaping
the action or practice of inhaling and exhaling vapour containing nicotine and flavouring produced by a device designed for this purpose.
Inhaling then exhaling something that is not a natural substance to be in the body is classed as smoking |
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"Just underlines that medical folk don't know and can't agree.
All just giving what little research has brought to light so far, which doesn't give me any kind of reassurance."
Maybe they are the same researchers who are investigating what squirt is. |
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Cannot see how vaping can be any different to smoking it you still putting chemicals into your lungs untested chemicals for long-term effects.. 
But 100% back people to do as they wish with their bodies. |
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"This has been a good thread,
The op asked, should people declare themselves as smokers on their profile’s, the answer is no because smoking and vaping are not the same, those who class vaping as smoking is because they dislike both nothing wrong with this however they are not the same
Mr
In your opinion, the answer is no. Other people have differing opinions and you need to respect that.
It’s a grey area.
Fab probably should have an additional box for Vaping. Then it would be for the is individual to decide if it’s a deal beaker or not.
Enjoy your day..and soon to be weekend "
It’s not an opinion though. Vaping isn’t smoking. |
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"I vape and don’t consider myself a smoker.
I used to smoke and have been stopped for about 6 years.
I don’t puff out clouds of smoke and I can go all day without it, so personally, I don’t think it’s the same.
Smokers smell of cigarettes, their clothes and hair smell of cigarettes, but I’ve never come across anyone that “smells of vape”
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Yes, hard to argue with that in fairness... |
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"Yes, they're obviously the same.
Yes, vapers should disclose themselves as smokers on their profiles.
Why ?
Because they are so similar, both smell, both cause clouds of smoke, both are an act of inhaling a chemical into your mouth causing the mouth to smell then exhaling.
How is this not the same? "
If you use a sauna.inhaling steam, with potential aromas like eucalyptus, you would declare yourself a smoker, by your proposal. That's just wrong. |
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Wether you class or as smoking or not.
If you specifically met a 'non smoker' and classed vaping as smoking, you'd be pretty miffed if they got their strawberry smoke machine out and surrounded you in fog.
I class it as 'smoking', it doesn't bother me of someone smokes or vapes, but I do class both the same habit, as far as I'm concerned. |
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"Yes, they're obviously the same.
Yes, vapers should disclose themselves as smokers on their profiles.
Why ?
Because they are so similar, both smell, both cause clouds of smoke, both are an act of inhaling a chemical into your mouth causing the mouth to smell then exhaling.
How is this not the same?
If you use a sauna.inhaling steam, with potential aromas like eucalyptus, you would declare yourself a smoker, by your proposal. That's just wrong. "
Yep. Vaping cannot cause 'clouds of smoke' given that there's no smoke produced.
As for 'inhaling a chemical'? Air is a chemical compound. Walk any street in the UK and you'll inhale chemicals from vehicle emissions to cleaning products.
And eating causes the mouth to smell of whatever you've consumed. I've yet to see anyone decline to meet 'eaters'.....  
It's not the same in the slightest.
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"Yes, they're obviously the same.
Yes, vapers should disclose themselves as smokers on their profiles.
Why ?
Because they are so similar, both smell, both cause clouds of smoke, both are an act of inhaling a chemical into your mouth causing the mouth to smell then exhaling.
How is this not the same?
If you use a sauna.inhaling steam, with potential aromas like eucalyptus, you would declare yourself a smoker, by your proposal. That's just wrong.
Yep. Vaping cannot cause 'clouds of smoke' given that there's no smoke produced.
As for 'inhaling a chemical'? Air is a chemical compound. Walk any street in the UK and you'll inhale chemicals from vehicle emissions to cleaning products.
And eating causes the mouth to smell of whatever you've consumed. I've yet to see anyone decline to meet 'eaters'.....
It's not the same in the slightest.
A"
Perfectly put!
Vaping has the the same ingredients used in cough medicine….. fags contain small traces of cyanide and rat poison!
I certainly won’t be putting myself down as a smoker, as I don’t even vape when I’m around others - each to their own! |
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"Just underlines that medical folk don't know and can't agree.
All just giving what little research has brought to light so far, which doesn't give me any kind of reassurance.
Maybe they are the same researchers who are investigating what squirt is. "
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"Just underlines that medical folk don't know and can't agree.
All just giving what little research has brought to light so far, which doesn't give me any kind of reassurance."
Look beyond the research to who funds the research. Many of the studies carried out were funded by the tobacco or pharmaceutical industry because they also help fund many cancer charities and have a lot more to lose if people switch to a much safer alternative to smoking or using traditional NRT's especially in the US.
The truly independent tend to be less biased one way or the other. |
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"Depends on what is being vaped. If the vape has no nicotine then it's slightly different x
All vapes have a degree of nicotine in them - that’s the whole point. Like someone earlier said, vapes were supposed to replace smoking fags, to enable them to stop. You start with the higher nicotine level and slowly cut down the level, but then people become addicted to the motion of the vape itself, the holding the sucking, inhaling then exhaling, it’s just another form of smoking
There have been 3 deaths in the UK from vaping, granted that doesn’t seem much, & there’s been many more deaths in America, but look at the size of America compared to the UK! Also look at how unhealthy the majority of Americans are.
Those deaths were due to people using oils in their Vapes rather than actual vape liquid. The deaths in America were were similar but they were using vitamin A oil as a carrier for cannabis. You can't vape a lipid and expect good results.
You’re attributing that analogy to every single death? Jeez
Because that was the cause.
Of all 2,807 deaths?
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It was 2807 cases and 68 deaths NOT 2807 deaths! Facts matter. |
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"Depends on what is being vaped. If the vape has no nicotine then it's slightly different x
All vapes have a degree of nicotine in them - that’s the whole point. Like someone earlier said, vapes were supposed to replace smoking fags, to enable them to stop. You start with the higher nicotine level and slowly cut down the level, but then people become addicted to the motion of the vape itself, the holding the sucking, inhaling then exhaling, it’s just another form of smoking
There have been 3 deaths in the UK from vaping, granted that doesn’t seem much, & there’s been many more deaths in America, but look at the size of America compared to the UK! Also look at how unhealthy the majority of Americans are.
Those deaths were due to people using oils in their Vapes rather than actual vape liquid. The deaths in America were were similar but they were using vitamin A oil as a carrier for cannabis. You can't vape a lipid and expect good results.
You’re attributing that analogy to every single death? Jeez
Because that was the cause.
Of all 2,807 deaths?
It was 2807 cases and 68 deaths NOT 2807 deaths! Facts matter."
And CDC investigators identified direct exposure to chemicals present in illegal cannabis vaping products and Vitamin E acetate as the culprit for the outbreak. These cases are all linked to 2 states in America! Illinois and Wisconsin. |
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"Depends on what is being vaped. If the vape has no nicotine then it's slightly different x
All vapes have a degree of nicotine in them - that’s the whole point. Like someone earlier said, vapes were supposed to replace smoking fags, to enable them to stop. You start with the higher nicotine level and slowly cut down the level, but then people become addicted to the motion of the vape itself, the holding the sucking, inhaling then exhaling, it’s just another form of smoking
There have been 3 deaths in the UK from vaping, granted that doesn’t seem much, & there’s been many more deaths in America, but look at the size of America compared to the UK! Also look at how unhealthy the majority of Americans are.
Those deaths were due to people using oils in their Vapes rather than actual vape liquid. The deaths in America were were similar but they were using vitamin A oil as a carrier for cannabis. You can't vape a lipid and expect good results.
You’re attributing that analogy to every single death? Jeez
Because that was the cause.
Of all 2,807 deaths?
It was 2807 cases and 68 deaths NOT 2807 deaths! Facts matter.
And CDC investigators identified direct exposure to chemicals present in illegal cannabis vaping products and Vitamin E acetate as the culprit for the outbreak. These cases are all linked to 2 states in America! Illinois and Wisconsin."
Some good information can be found on the RCP website....
https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/projects/outputs/rcp-advice-vaping-following-reported-cases-deaths-and-lung-disease-us |
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Good morning I was a smoker for 39 yrs om vaping about 5 yrs now saved a fortune, cleaner,no awful smell n all different flavors I think ,it's a pity they weren't out years ago ,I'd be worth a fortune lol Ruby x |
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Smoking has smoke and vaping has vapour. I think people don't like smokers because of the coughing and smell. Vaping there is no smell. So not really the same. |
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