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Can you lose weight without cutting calories?
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
Yes you can. I was watching a fun video from coach greg, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz9ZDprDYs
He gave few examples:
1 Increase Cardio (5% of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure)
2. Increase NEAT (15%)
3. Increase BMR (1lb of muscle mass = 7-10 kcal burned just at rest, about 20kcal per day) (70%)
4. TEF Thermal effect of food (10%), hight protein or fiber diet
5. Drink cold water (1kcal for 1 L to increase by 1°C, example: drinking 1 L at 4°C, to increase it to body temp. 37 °C requires 33 kcal)
6. Sleep more
7. Do blood work
What is your view of it? I would say that increasing the neat is one of the best things one can do  |
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Which is best probably depends on your gender + activity levels
Women + lower activity people are gonna have better success increasing neat
Men + high activity people are going to be better off cutting calories
A save bet is probably a bit of each.
So instead of cutting 500 calories to lose 1lb a week, cut 250 and try to increase neat by 250 |
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By *ubal1Man
over a year ago
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Get used to progressively colder temperatures, so that your body has to work harder to maintain stasis or equilibrium.
We are used to much higher indoor temperatures than previous generations.
This is a simple measure but one that works. |
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"Get used to progressively colder temperatures, so that your body has to work harder to maintain stasis or equilibrium.
We are used to much higher indoor temperatures than previous generations.
This is a simple measure but one that works."
No one’s gonna be struggling with that this winter. Maybe these energy prices are the new method of dealing with this the obesity crisis |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Which is best probably depends on your gender + activity levels
Women + lower activity people are gonna have better success increasing neat
Men + high activity people are going to be better off cutting calories
A save bet is probably a bit of each.
So instead of cutting 500 calories to lose 1lb a week, cut 250 and try to increase neat by 250 "
Yes cutting less calories is better, whilst increasing the neat by abit too  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You can but you’d have to be at professional athlete amounts of training. I’ve trained almost every day since I’m 14. I’ve seen a lot of diets etc that don’t work. To burn fat, you need to burn more calories than you ingest. Any other method is bullshit and usually created by someone trying to make money. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes you can. I was watching a fun video from coach greg, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz9ZDprDYs
He gave few examples:
1 Increase Cardio (5% of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure)
2. Increase NEAT (15%)
3. Increase BMR (1lb of muscle mass = 7-10 kcal burned just at rest, about 20kcal per day) (70%)
4. TEF Thermal effect of food (10%), hight protein or fiber diet
5. Drink cold water (1kcal for 1 L to increase by 1°C, example: drinking 1 L at 4°C, to increase it to body temp. 37 °C requires 33 kcal)
6. Sleep more
7. Do blood work
What is your view of it? I would say that increasing the neat is one of the best things one can do "
Agree with most of it. I would add taking cold showers to this. Also fasting instead of dieting.
I have one meal a day but eat what I want.
Also don't be obsessed with weight and the scale. I have lost fat and inches around my body, but still weigh the same. Remember muscle is heavier that fat.
PS what is NEAT..? |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Yes you can. I was watching a fun video from coach greg, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz9ZDprDYs
He gave few examples:
1 Increase Cardio (5% of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure)
2. Increase NEAT (15%)
3. Increase BMR (1lb of muscle mass = 7-10 kcal burned just at rest, about 20kcal per day) (70%)
4. TEF Thermal effect of food (10%), hight protein or fiber diet
5. Drink cold water (1kcal for 1 L to increase by 1°C, example: drinking 1 L at 4°C, to increase it to body temp. 37 °C requires 33 kcal)
6. Sleep more
7. Do blood work
What is your view of it? I would say that increasing the neat is one of the best things one can do
Agree with most of it. I would add taking cold showers to this. Also fasting instead of dieting.
I have one meal a day but eat what I want.
Also don't be obsessed with weight and the scale. I have lost fat and inches around my body, but still weigh the same. Remember muscle is heavier that fat.
PS what is NEAT..?"
It is non -exercise activity thermogenesis (neat) is the energy expended for everything we do that is not sleeping, eating or sports - like exercise |
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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago
Stoke area |
"Yes you can. I was watching a fun video from coach greg, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz9ZDprDYs
He gave few examples:
1 Increase Cardio (5% of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure)
2. Increase NEAT (15%)
3. Increase BMR (1lb of muscle mass = 7-10 kcal burned just at rest, about 20kcal per day) (70%)
4. TEF Thermal effect of food (10%), hight protein or fiber diet
5. Drink cold water (1kcal for 1 L to increase by 1°C, example: drinking 1 L at 4°C, to increase it to body temp. 37 °C requires 33 kcal)
6. Sleep more
7. Do blood work
What is your view of it? I would say that increasing the neat is one of the best things one can do
Agree with most of it. I would add taking cold showers to this. Also fasting instead of dieting.
I have one meal a day but eat what I want.
Also don't be obsessed with weight and the scale. I have lost fat and inches around my body, but still weigh the same. Remember muscle is heavier that fat.
PS what is NEAT..?"
I just had to Google NEAT 
Non exercise activity thermogenesis.
Stuff like cooking , walking the dog, gardening . Being active but not gym related. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes you can. I was watching a fun video from coach greg, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz9ZDprDYs
He gave few examples:
1 Increase Cardio (5% of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure)
2. Increase NEAT (15%)
3. Increase BMR (1lb of muscle mass = 7-10 kcal burned just at rest, about 20kcal per day) (70%)
4. TEF Thermal effect of food (10%), hight protein or fiber diet
5. Drink cold water (1kcal for 1 L to increase by 1°C, example: drinking 1 L at 4°C, to increase it to body temp. 37 °C requires 33 kcal)
6. Sleep more
7. Do blood work
What is your view of it? I would say that increasing the neat is one of the best things one can do "
Coach Greg.
Buy my friggen cookbook
Loose weight nope
Loose fat
Yes.
It's personal we are all different
Metabolism
Hormones
Health
Allergies.
Tolerances
Etc x 1000's
Millions of permutations
1 size does not fit all.
It's personal so you have to personalise it.
How much food. Exercise sleep food choice.
Everything works for a while then it doesn't and you have to change.
Coach is knowledgeable but not all knowing even tho he thinks he is.
Take the personal approach
Listen to many
Try lots
Journal everything |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've never realised NEAT is a named thing though I've long known the easiest way for me to lose weight is during spells where my job is much more physical. I've recently come to the end of a very busy 3 week installation. Being busy takes my mind off feelings of hunger and reduces time for snacking. This means I only eat at meal times though I tend to still eat around 2200 - 2500kcal/day. However, going from a relatively sedentary job working at a desk to being on my feet all day makes a huge difference - 5lb in 3 weeks in fact.
Mr |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" muscle is heavier that fat.
No, no, no, fuck off, no, no, fuck off some more, no
A kg is a kg doesn't matter what it is.
Muscle is more dence so a kg smaller in size than a kg of fat."
She gets it  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've never realised NEAT is a named thing though I've long known the easiest way for me to lose weight is during spells where my job is much more physical. I've recently come to the end of a very busy 3 week installation. Being busy takes my mind off feelings of hunger and reduces time for snacking. This means I only eat at meal times though I tend to still eat around 2200 - 2500kcal/day. However, going from a relatively sedentary job working at a desk to being on my feet all day makes a huge difference - 5lb in 3 weeks in fact.
Mr"
It was a surprise to me too. For people starting a weight loss journey, just moving more can make a big difference. |
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"I've never realised NEAT is a named thing though I've long known the easiest way for me to lose weight is during spells where my job is much more physical. I've recently come to the end of a very busy 3 week installation. Being busy takes my mind off feelings of hunger and reduces time for snacking. This means I only eat at meal times though I tend to still eat around 2200 - 2500kcal/day. However, going from a relatively sedentary job working at a desk to being on my feet all day makes a huge difference - 5lb in 3 weeks in fact.
Mr"
This was a big change in my mindset. This was explained by another coach, it made sense. So I now park my car in work a bit further away, make sure I stand at intervals instead of being sat at my bench. They're small things but over a week they're making a difference. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've had daily cold showers for a couple of years now. I enjoy them but I'm doubtful they contribute to weight loss in any significant way.
I'd have thought the simple answer to the original question is yes you can, if you do more... and you can resist actually eating more because you now feel ravenous from doing so much more  |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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" muscle is heavier that fat.
No, no, no, fuck off, no, no, fuck off some more, no
A kg is a kg doesn't matter what it is.
Muscle is more dence so a kg smaller in size than a kg of fat."
That is right, muscle does have a greater density than fat, it takes up less volume than an equal amount of fat |
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" muscle is heavier that fat.
No, no, no, fuck off, no, no, fuck off some more, no
A kg is a kg doesn't matter what it is.
Muscle is more dence so a kg smaller in size than a kg of fat.That is right, muscle does have a greater density than fat, it takes up less volume than an equal amount of fat "
Exactly, so the same volume of muscle is heavier than the same volume of fat. Maybe i should have worded it better, but I think most people got what I meant. |
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"Yes you can. I was watching a fun video from coach greg, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz9ZDprDYs
He gave few examples:
1 Increase Cardio (5% of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure)
2. Increase NEAT (15%)
3. Increase BMR (1lb of muscle mass = 7-10 kcal burned just at rest, about 20kcal per day) (70%)
4. TEF Thermal effect of food (10%), hight protein or fiber diet
5. Drink cold water (1kcal for 1 L to increase by 1°C, example: drinking 1 L at 4°C, to increase it to body temp. 37 °C requires 33 kcal)
6. Sleep more
7. Do blood work
What is your view of it? I would say that increasing the neat is one of the best things one can do
Coach Greg.
Buy my friggen cookbook
Loose weight nope
Loose fat
Yes.
It's personal we are all different
Metabolism
Hormones
Health
Allergies.
Tolerances
Etc x 1000's
Millions of permutations
1 size does not fit all.
It's personal so you have to personalise it.
How much food. Exercise sleep food choice.
Everything works for a while then it doesn't and you have to change.
Coach is knowledgeable but not all knowing even tho he thinks he is.
Take the personal approach
Listen to many
Try lots
Journal everything "
Done all this and had a doctor tell me everyone has the same metabolism so it must be what I’m eating ?
Had just come out of hospital where I had put on weight while being on a controlled diet ? |
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" muscle is heavier that fat.
No, no, no, fuck off, no, no, fuck off some more, no
A kg is a kg doesn't matter what it is.
Muscle is more dence so a kg smaller in size than a kg of fat."
What's heavier, a kilogramme of feathers or a kilogramme of metal lol
Yeah, muscle is denser, therefore it takes up less space so a kilogramme of muscle looks smaller than a kilo of fat |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
" muscle is heavier that fat.
No, no, no, fuck off, no, no, fuck off some more, no
A kg is a kg doesn't matter what it is.
Muscle is more dence so a kg smaller in size than a kg of fat.That is right, muscle does have a greater density than fat, it takes up less volume than an equal amount of fat
Exactly, so the same volume of muscle is heavier than the same volume of fat. Maybe i should have worded it better, but I think most people got what I meant."
Yes, they would of as well |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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Why do you wanna lose weight though , there’s nothing on you !
I think when you’re a pro athlete those formulae matter a bit , when you have cut out all the crap and training to your max and still pushing that last 1% it will make a difference. But for everyone else , just get off the sofa occasionally and bin the chocolate & cookies, that will have much more impact |
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"Yes you can. I was watching a fun video from coach greg, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz9ZDprDYs
He gave few examples:
1 Increase Cardio (5% of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure)
2. Increase NEAT (15%)
3. Increase BMR (1lb of muscle mass = 7-10 kcal burned just at rest, about 20kcal per day) (70%)
4. TEF Thermal effect of food (10%), hight protein or fiber diet
5. Drink cold water (1kcal for 1 L to increase by 1°C, example: drinking 1 L at 4°C, to increase it to body temp. 37 °C requires 33 kcal)
6. Sleep more
7. Do blood work
What is your view of it? I would say that increasing the neat is one of the best things one can do
Coach Greg.
Buy my friggen cookbook
Loose weight nope
Loose fat
Yes.
It's personal we are all different
Metabolism
Hormones
Health
Allergies.
Tolerances
Etc x 1000's
Millions of permutations
1 size does not fit all.
It's personal so you have to personalise it.
How much food. Exercise sleep food choice.
Everything works for a while then it doesn't and you have to change.
Coach is knowledgeable but not all knowing even tho he thinks he is.
Take the personal approach
Listen to many
Try lots
Journal everything
Done all this and had a doctor tell me everyone has the same metabolism so it must be what I’m eating ?
Had just come out of hospital where I had put on weight while being on a controlled diet ? "
Everybody has the same metabolism? Huh? |
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over a year ago
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"Fasting works, don’t consume calories for between 14-16
That doesn't fall under the 'without cutting calories' part."
Does if you eat your recommended calorie allowance in your non-fasting period |
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"Yes you can. I was watching a fun video from coach greg, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz9ZDprDYs
He gave few examples:
1 Increase Cardio (5% of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure)
2. Increase NEAT (15%)
3. Increase BMR (1lb of muscle mass = 7-10 kcal burned just at rest, about 20kcal per day) (70%)
4. TEF Thermal effect of food (10%), hight protein or fiber diet
5. Drink cold water (1kcal for 1 L to increase by 1°C, example: drinking 1 L at 4°C, to increase it to body temp. 37 °C requires 33 kcal)
6. Sleep more
7. Do blood work
What is your view of it? I would say that increasing the neat is one of the best things one can do
Coach Greg.
Buy my friggen cookbook
Loose weight nope
Loose fat
Yes.
It's personal we are all different
Metabolism
Hormones
Health
Allergies.
Tolerances
Etc x 1000's
Millions of permutations
1 size does not fit all.
It's personal so you have to personalise it.
How much food. Exercise sleep food choice.
Everything works for a while then it doesn't and you have to change.
Coach is knowledgeable but not all knowing even tho he thinks he is.
Take the personal approach
Listen to many
Try lots
Journal everything
Done all this and had a doctor tell me everyone has the same metabolism so it must be what I’m eating ?
Had just come out of hospital where I had put on weight while being on a controlled diet ?
Everybody has the same metabolism? Huh? "
If we are being super picky, technically it’s right, since metabolism is just the bodies process of turning food into energy/heat. Everyone’s metabolism is the same.
But the word metabolism often gets thrown around to mean your TDEE. And everyone’s TDEE isn’t the same. Very different actually. |
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"Fasting works, don’t consume calories for between 14-16
That doesn't fall under the 'without cutting calories' part.
Does if you eat your recommended calorie allowance in your non-fasting period"
The way fasting works is by reducing the numbers of hours where you eat, which in theory should reduce the overall calories you eat
Fasting without changing the amount of calories m you eat won’t make anything happen. You’ll do the same as if you weren’t fasting.
So yeah, technically, fasting is a form of calorie control/restriction |
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"Fasting works, don’t consume calories for between 14-16
That doesn't fall under the 'without cutting calories' part.
Does if you eat your recommended calorie allowance in your non-fasting period"
Does it? (I mean as in does that actually work?)
Vaguely remember somebody saying something about having large gap between meals was beneficial for health ( like a an early evening meal and a late or no breakfast) but I thought that was for a 'gut reset' rather than weight loss.
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"Fasting works, don’t consume calories for between 14-16
That doesn't fall under the 'without cutting calories' part."
If you eat the same amount of calories in a 3 hour window and then fast until following day you will lose weight.. |
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"You can but you’d have to be at professional athlete amounts of training. I’ve trained almost every day since I’m 14. I’ve seen a lot of diets etc that don’t work. To burn fat, you need to burn more calories than you ingest. Any other method is bullshit and usually created by someone trying to make money. "
This 100%.
There are 3 types of way to lose weight *
1. Small to moderate calorie deficit… this way is sustainable with a healthy diet.
2. Large short term calorie deficit… works but is unsustainable and is the classic yo-yo dieting… exactly how weightwatchers etc. operate (if you used it and stayed skinny, it would be an awful business model)
3. Quackery, bullshit and other pseudoscience crap… fat burning pills, detoxes etc…. Absolutely no basis in science whatsoever and just complete scams….. you don’t actually lose weight.
* actually only 2….
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"Fasting works, don’t consume calories for between 14-16
That doesn't fall under the 'without cutting calories' part.
If you eat the same amount of calories in a 3 hour window and then fast until following day you will lose weight.. "
So if I eat 2500 calories today between 5pm - 8pm
and then the same again tomorrow between 5pm - 8pm
I'll lose weight compared to if I ate those same 5,000 calories spread throughout the 48 hours?
Why would that be? |
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"Fasting works, don’t consume calories for between 14-16
That doesn't fall under the 'without cutting calories' part.
Does if you eat your recommended calorie allowance in your non-fasting period
The way fasting works is by reducing the numbers of hours where you eat, which in theory should reduce the overall calories you eat
Fasting without changing the amount of calories m you eat won’t make anything happen. You’ll do the same as if you weren’t fasting.
So yeah, technically, fasting is a form of calorie control/restriction "
That's joining two things together.
The comment was that fasting doesn't meeting 'without cutting calories' but it can do. You can fast for 23 hours, eat a fuck off huge pizza in the other hour and you haven't cut any calories.
Whether that would lead to weight loss is another question |
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"Fasting works, don’t consume calories for between 14-16
That doesn't fall under the 'without cutting calories' part.
Does if you eat your recommended calorie allowance in your non-fasting period
The way fasting works is by reducing the numbers of hours where you eat, which in theory should reduce the overall calories you eat
Fasting without changing the amount of calories m you eat won’t make anything happen. You’ll do the same as if you weren’t fasting.
So yeah, technically, fasting is a form of calorie control/restriction
That's joining two things together.
The comment was that fasting doesn't meeting 'without cutting calories' but it can do. You can fast for 23 hours, eat a fuck off huge pizza in the other hour and you haven't cut any calories.
Whether that would lead to weight loss is another question "
I thought the point of the thread was “ways to lose weight without cutting calories”
Fasting without cutting calories won’t result in weight loss
So who knows. |
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"Yes put a sweat suit on crank the heating to 30 and I can drop 20lb in about a hour and hafe "
Yes, but all you are losing is body fluid, not fat. And that will just come back as you drink fluid. |
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In theory, most people fasting are probably reducing the calories they eat but for those that are eating a healthy diet, exercising and struggling with losing weight, the other beneift of fasting is that it allows blood levels of insulin to drop significantly. Not only does this help burn fat, it can also lower your risk of disease, particularly diabetes. Having been a distance runner most of my life, closely monitoring what I eat and tracking all of my exercise, I found myself gaining weight and lots of it. After many, many, many doctor visits and blood tests, it all came down to my liver not being as young / strong as it used to be in my 20's and 30's and that I needed to adjust the hours in which I can eat food. I have been doing the 16-8 fast, eating the same food, and calories as before, I just do not eat food between the hours of 9pm and and 1pm. I struggled at first but after a few weeks, it just feels normal and have lost quite a bit of the weight I had gained. Anyone reading this, please see a doctor first, we are all different and for some people with certain medical conditions or unknown medical conditions, fasting may not be right for you.
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Yes you can. I was watching a fun video from coach greg, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz9ZDprDYs
He gave few examples:
1 Increase Cardio (5% of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure)
2. Increase NEAT (15%)
3. Increase BMR (1lb of muscle mass = 7-10 kcal burned just at rest, about 20kcal per day) (70%)
4. TEF Thermal effect of food (10%), hight protein or fiber diet
5. Drink cold water (1kcal for 1 L to increase by 1°C, example: drinking 1 L at 4°C, to increase it to body temp. 37 °C requires 33 kcal)
6. Sleep more
7. Do blood work
What is your view of it? I would say that increasing the neat is one of the best things one can do
Coach Greg.
Buy my friggen cookbook
Loose weight nope
Loose fat
Yes.
It's personal we are all different
Metabolism
Hormones
Health
Allergies.
Tolerances
Etc x 1000's
Millions of permutations
1 size does not fit all.
It's personal so you have to personalise it.
How much food. Exercise sleep food choice.
Everything works for a while then it doesn't and you have to change.
Coach is knowledgeable but not all knowing even tho he thinks he is.
Take the personal approach
Listen to many
Try lots
Journal everything "
Yes. I also like when greg is saying, buy my friggen cookbook lol |
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"Isn't the magic formula for weight loss . Use more calories then you eat?
No expert of course and easier said than done in many cases. "
Think that is how I stay slim. Active job, active life. Don't eat too much but eat whatever I want when I do. |
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"Shag what exactly does he mean by blood work? Curious "
By checking your levels everything from thyroid to testosterone, oestrogen hormones and cortisol levels. Those all play a huge role and if they are off then they’ll hinder your goals |
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"Shag what exactly does he mean by blood work? Curious
By checking your levels everything from thyroid to testosterone, oestrogen hormones and cortisol levels. Those all play a huge role and if they are off then they’ll hinder your goals "
Got you, I think I would add see a counselor or help. If you overeat due to emotional triggers etc. Think that is a massive one |
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Talking of physics I read an article by a physicist basically saying how hard it is to lose weight by exercise.
An hour's hard exercise burns about 30g of fat! Light exercise about 10g.
Obviously doesn't account for things like muscle gain or on the flip side increased hunger etc. etc. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"Shag what exactly does he mean by blood work? Curious
By checking your levels everything from thyroid to testosterone, oestrogen hormones and cortisol levels. Those all play a huge role and if they are off then they’ll hinder your goals
Got you, I think I would add see a counselor or help. If you overeat due to emotional triggers etc. Think that is a massive one "
Yes, that is what it means too, to check all the levels of that |
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"Yes you can. I was watching a fun video from coach greg, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBz9ZDprDYs
He gave few examples:
1 Increase Cardio (5% of your Total Daily Energy Expenditure)
2. Increase NEAT (15%)
3. Increase BMR (1lb of muscle mass = 7-10 kcal burned just at rest, about 20kcal per day) (70%)
4. TEF Thermal effect of food (10%), hight protein or fiber diet
5. Drink cold water (1kcal for 1 L to increase by 1°C, example: drinking 1 L at 4°C, to increase it to body temp. 37 °C requires 33 kcal)
6. Sleep more
7. Do blood work
What is your view of it? I would say that increasing the neat is one of the best things one can do
Agree with most of it. I would add taking cold showers to this. Also fasting instead of dieting.
I have one meal a day but eat what I want.
Also don't be obsessed with weight and the scale. I have lost fat and inches around my body, but still weigh the same. Remember muscle is heavier that fat.
PS what is NEAT..?
I just had to Google NEAT
Non exercise activity thermogenesis.
Stuff like cooking , walking the dog, gardening . Being active but not gym related. "
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"Yes put a sweat suit on crank the heating to 30 and I can drop 20lb in about a hour and hafe
Yes, but all you are losing is body fluid, not fat. And that will just come back as you drink fluid. "
Exactly so instead off being 155lb I would step in there at like closer to 170lb-180 |
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