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Read it. It's similar to views posted on here today to be fair. There will always be some who want to be controversial at a time where simply being quiet would be better.
Yes racism still exists and there is much to be done to address it but using the coffin of an old lady as your soap box is a bit distasteful in my opinion. |
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"Read it. It's similar to views posted on here today to be fair. There will always be some who want to be controversial at a time where simply being quiet would be better.
Yes racism still exists and there is much to be done to address it but using the coffin of an old lady as your soap box is a bit distasteful in my opinion. "
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"Read it. It's similar to views posted on here today to be fair. There will always be some who want to be controversial at a time where simply being quiet would be better.
Yes racism still exists and there is much to be done to address it but using the coffin of an old lady as your soap box is a bit distasteful in my opinion. "
This could not have been worded any better , but they still won't take note in what behaviour they are portraying today on here!
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Making that kind of statement now is just going to piss people off tbh. I don't think it's going to give anyone pause. I can understand his point (there is evidence of racism in the RF) - but the timing and the message - I don't think he should have posted. |
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"Read it. It's similar to views posted on here today to be fair. There will always be some who want to be controversial at a time where simply being quiet would be better.
Yes racism still exists and there is much to be done to address it but using the coffin of an old lady as your soap box is a bit distasteful in my opinion. "
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"So should he be sacked?"
It's not encouraging violence or hate.
As with most here I know we have a long way to go to defeat racism and I think the way he's done it is crass and I believe appropriate.
But should he lose his job? hell no, he expressed an opinion. We have to be able to say what we think otherwise we can't discuss things to find a solution |
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"Making that kind of statement now is just going to piss people off tbh. I don't think it's going to give anyone pause. I can understand his point (there is evidence of racism in the RF) - but the timing and the message - I don't think he should have posted. "
Yes, such bad timing. People calling for him to be sacked. Harsh to be sacked imo but perhaps in his contract there might be something he has breached. |
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"He has a criminal conviction for racial abuse.
What....I mean what....did he just say !!!  "
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/02/ex-england-star-trevor-sinclair-admits-drink-driving-and-racial-abuse |
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"When he met the queen he had nothing but praise for her so to come out with that statement today makes him look a bit of a cunt tbh "
Especially given the fact he once lost his job for racially abusing a policeman!
There's only one proven racist here... |
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I think often people forget freedom of speech does not mean you can say what you like without any consequences.
Of course you can say whatever you like but you can also expect to receive a backlash particularly if it's very controversial or at a time when emotions are running high. |
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"He wrote: 'Racism was outlawed in England in the 60's & it's been allowed to thrive so why should black and brown mourn!!' "
Hmm? I don't keep up on football. I wonder, is this the same Trevor Sinclair who was once arrested for being twice over the drink driving limit, who accused the arresting officer of only arresting him because he was black, and then called him "a white cunt"?
The same Trevor Sinclair who made further racist comments while in the back of the police van and continued to be “obnoxious, aggressive and racist while being booked in”
The same Trevor Sinclair who was found guilty of drink driving and a racially aggravated public order offence, and was sentenced to 150 hours of community service and handed a 20-month driving ban.
The same Trevor Sinclair who was subsequently dropped by the BBC from his role as a sometime contributor to Match of the Day?
That Trevor Sinclair? |
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"He has a criminal conviction for racial abuse.
What....I mean what....did he just say !!! "
Sinclair racially abused a policeman who'd arrested him for drink driving and got sacked from the BBC over the incident.
Seems Mr Sinclair has not learned his lesson. Talksport gave him a second chance and although his tweet is not racist, his comments have upset a lot of people.
If he keeps his job, he'll be definitely in last chance saloon. |
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"He wrote: 'Racism was outlawed in England in the 60's & it's been allowed to thrive so why should black and brown mourn!!'
Hmm? I don't keep up on football. I wonder, is this the same Trevor Sinclair who was once arrested for being twice over the drink driving limit, who accused the arresting officer of only arresting him because he was black, and then called him "a white cunt"?
The same Trevor Sinclair who made further racist comments while in the back of the police van and continued to be “obnoxious, aggressive and racist while being booked in”
The same Trevor Sinclair who was found guilty of drink driving and a racially aggravated public order offence, and was sentenced to 150 hours of community service and handed a 20-month driving ban.
The same Trevor Sinclair who was subsequently dropped by the BBC from his role as a sometime contributor to Match of the Day?
That Trevor Sinclair?"
Yep that's the one |
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Hopefully I won’t have to listen to him on TalkSPORT again and his loving for citeh funny how he never mentioned citeh before 08 on the other hand I will miss him getting his backside handed to him on a plate by Simon Jordon |
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"Read it. It's similar to views posted on here today to be fair. There will always be some who want to be controversial at a time where simply being quiet would be better.
Yes racism still exists and there is much to be done to address it but using the coffin of an old lady as your soap box is a bit distasteful in my opinion. "
People on here have said similar to Black and Brown people shouldn’t mourn? 
Also I think conversations about the Queen, her life and her reign are invariably linked to racism so it’s not weird it would come up after her death is not shocking? |
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"He wrote: 'Racism was outlawed in England in the 60's & it's been allowed to thrive so why should black and brown mourn!!'
Hmm? I don't keep up on football. I wonder, is this the same Trevor Sinclair who was once arrested for being twice over the drink driving limit, who accused the arresting officer of only arresting him because he was black, and then called him "a white cunt"?
The same Trevor Sinclair who made further racist comments while in the back of the police van and continued to be “obnoxious, aggressive and racist while being booked in”
The same Trevor Sinclair who was found guilty of drink driving and a racially aggravated public order offence, and was sentenced to 150 hours of community service and handed a 20-month driving ban.
The same Trevor Sinclair who was subsequently dropped by the BBC from his role as a sometime contributor to Match of the Day?
That Trevor Sinclair?
Yep that's the one "
He also wet himself during arrest. Classy guy. |
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"Read it. It's similar to views posted on here today to be fair. There will always be some who want to be controversial at a time where simply being quiet would be better.
Yes racism still exists and there is much to be done to address it but using the coffin of an old lady as your soap box is a bit distasteful in my opinion.
People on here have said similar to Black and Brown people shouldn’t mourn?
Also I think conversations about the Queen, her life and her reign are invariably linked to racism so it’s not weird it would come up after her death is not shocking? "
as Trevor felt so strongly about it why did he delete his tweet ? Maybe he realises that’s the end of his career in broadcasting the man’s a fool |
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"He wrote: 'Racism was outlawed in England in the 60's & it's been allowed to thrive so why should black and brown mourn!!'
Hmm? I don't keep up on football. I wonder, is this the same Trevor Sinclair who was once arrested for being twice over the drink driving limit, who accused the arresting officer of only arresting him because he was black, and then called him "a white cunt"?
The same Trevor Sinclair who made further racist comments while in the back of the police van and continued to be “obnoxious, aggressive and racist while being booked in”
The same Trevor Sinclair who was found guilty of drink driving and a racially aggravated public order offence, and was sentenced to 150 hours of community service and handed a 20-month driving ban.
The same Trevor Sinclair who was subsequently dropped by the BBC from his role as a sometime contributor to Match of the Day?
That Trevor Sinclair?
Yep that's the one
He also wet himself during arrest. Classy guy. "
I didn't know that lol |
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I don’t really agree with Sinclair’s suggestion or implication that Black and Brown people shouldn’t mourn because racism continues to exist. I do know Black and Brown people that aren’t mourning based on their feelings towards the Queen’s and British States role in colonialism and objection to decolonisation in many places. Those are feelings that I share. But they’re not feelings I would or have forced upon others.
Racism continuing to exist in Britain is for many reasons. Not just the Queen. I mean he’ll probably be sacked and ultimately he should know better. |
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"He wrote: 'Racism was outlawed in England in the 60's & it's been allowed to thrive so why should black and brown mourn!!' "
And that’s from someone how has been convicted of racially abusing a policemen  |
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"Read it. It's similar to views posted on here today to be fair. There will always be some who want to be controversial at a time where simply being quiet would be better.
Yes racism still exists and there is much to be done to address it but using the coffin of an old lady as your soap box is a bit distasteful in my opinion.
People on here have said similar to Black and Brown people shouldn’t mourn?
Also I think conversations about the Queen, her life and her reign are invariably linked to racism so it’s not weird it would come up after her death is not shocking? as Trevor felt so strongly about it why did he delete his tweet ? Maybe he realises that’s the end of his career in broadcasting the man’s a fool "
Who knows why he deleted it. That’s his business Lmao I don’t care. |
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"Hopefully I won’t have to listen to him on TalkSPORT again and his loving for citeh funny how he never mentioned citeh before 08 on the other hand I will miss him getting his backside handed to him on a plate by Simon Jordon "
Yes, I do like listening to this pair arguing or debating on TS. Jordan usually wins. I do wish they'd get rid of Jim White though. There is nobody on the radio who is as ingratiating as him. |
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"Ex footballer posts wally tweet. I’m shocked.
Should keep his job. I don’t like seeing people hounded out of a job for faux outrage. If they break the law fine. "
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"Ex footballer posts wally tweet. I’m shocked.
Should keep his job. I don’t like seeing people hounded out of a job for faux outrage. If they break the law fine. "
It's not faux outrage though and you can't expect to be able to say whatever you like and then for people to still respect you. He can say what he wants, his employer can also tell him they don't want him to work for them anymore. |
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"It's freedom of speech exercised at a time that he thinks he will maximise the impact of expressing his views in this way. He's got a thread out of it on Fab so I see him as the winner  "
and unemployed and probably will struggle to get another gig in the media he didn’t even have the courage to stand by his tweet |
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Don't forget Carragher was suspended at sky for spitting at a schoolgirl but kept his job so be interesting to see if Sinclair keeps his.
His previous for racism at a police officer could go against him though. |
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A more positive tweet, this time from Luther Blisset:
'My pride in representing Her Majesty is immense. A boy from Willesden putting on that shirt & becoming the first black man to score for Queen and Country. To then be appointed a DL of Hertfordshire & then recognised in her Jubilee Birthday Honours List is beyond that boy's dreams.'
I'm sure he speaks for far more black British citizens than the dim Sinclair. |
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"Read it. It's similar to views posted on here today to be fair. There will always be some who want to be controversial at a time where simply being quiet would be better.
Yes racism still exists and there is much to be done to address it but using the coffin of an old lady as your soap box is a bit distasteful in my opinion.
People on here have said similar to Black and Brown people shouldn’t mourn?
Also I think conversations about the Queen, her life and her reign are invariably linked to racism so it’s not weird it would come up after her death is not shocking? "
People of all skin colours can make their own minds up whether to mourn. They don’t need to be told. It’s also very odd given he has previously praised her. Very crass to wait until she’s died to contradict himself. |
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Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her "
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now? |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now? "
I’m not saying that |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now? "
British decolonisation in Africa began in 1956, four years into Elizabeth's reign. Within ten years all former British colonies in Africa were independent, and chose to continue as members of the Commonwealth. The Queen had close friendships with several African leaders such as Mandela and Kenyata. |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
I’m not saying that"
Other people are...
What're you saying? |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
British decolonisation in Africa began in 1956, four years into Elizabeth's reign. Within ten years all former British colonies in Africa were independent, and chose to continue as members of the Commonwealth. The Queen had close friendships with several African leaders such as Mandela and Kenyata."
And yet those blaming her for colonisation on Twitter are missing that side of the story. She wasn't even 30 when decolonisation started. Imagine being so young and a Queen. |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
British decolonisation in Africa began in 1956, four years into Elizabeth's reign. Within ten years all former British colonies in Africa were independent, and chose to continue as members of the Commonwealth. The Queen had close friendships with several African leaders such as Mandela and Kenyata."
Firstly she’s not responsible for it but she certainly is a representation of it im so many ways. Secondly this is absolutely insulting to suggest that the Queen, and not the anti colonial resistance in these countries, is responsible for their independence. Especially given the accounts of survivors from this that were tortured and brutalised by People acting on behalf of the British state and in the name of the Queen.
Side note, the Queen and her family live on wealth that was hugely built by not just colonialism but also the trade of people and other stolen goods. They stole trillions from India. An amount that would be impossible for the Queen to pay back in so many lifetimes. |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now? "
Sorry but whether she’s personally responsible for colonialism or not, I don’t understand why people from colonised countries should like someone that inherited wealth from colonialism and trading people. People are entitled to not like her, it’s not by force?
I feel like what I would struggle for us to do is to paint the Queen as some kind of anti colonial, anti racist, pro liberation person.
Give the stolen things back? And give the money back too? |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
Sorry but whether she’s personally responsible for colonialism or not, I don’t understand why people from colonised countries should like someone that inherited wealth from colonialism and trading people. People are entitled to not like her, it’s not by force?
I feel like what I would struggle for us to do is to paint the Queen as some kind of anti colonial, anti racist, pro liberation person.
Give the stolen things back? And give the money back too? "
Out of interest, who should she give the money back to? You mentioned India but the money that came from there wasn't taken from the Indian people, it was taken from the Mhugal Empire, a Muslim empire that started out from central Asia, should we be having it back to the Taliban as arguably the closest cultural successor to the rulers of India when the British fought the Indian rebellion?
Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely dead set against colonialism and ashamed of the atrocities carried out by my fellow countrymen but the idea that they went and stole from peaceful natives living a life of self rule and freedom on their own countries is frankly not true. It was a similar story in South Africa - prior to their defeat by the British, the Zulu's had founded an empire based on genocide.
None of this is by way of an excuse for what Britain did then, just that 'give the money back' is very easy to say but incredibly hard to do when the people who lost and suffered the most were losing and suffering long before the British showed up.
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
Sorry but whether she’s personally responsible for colonialism or not, I don’t understand why people from colonised countries should like someone that inherited wealth from colonialism and trading people. People are entitled to not like her, it’s not by force?
I feel like what I would struggle for us to do is to paint the Queen as some kind of anti colonial, anti racist, pro liberation person.
Give the stolen things back? And give the money back too? "
And the day after she died is naturally the best time for that analysis? I don't think anyones said people from former colonies aren't mourning hard enough or that kind of drivel? No-one has to like her or mourn her. Do they? |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
Sorry but whether she’s personally responsible for colonialism or not, I don’t understand why people from colonised countries should like someone that inherited wealth from colonialism and trading people. People are entitled to not like her, it’s not by force?
I feel like what I would struggle for us to do is to paint the Queen as some kind of anti colonial, anti racist, pro liberation person.
Give the stolen things back? And give the money back too?
Out of interest, who should she give the money back to? You mentioned India but the money that came from there wasn't taken from the Indian people, it was taken from the Mhugal Empire, a Muslim empire that started out from central Asia, should we be having it back to the Taliban as arguably the closest cultural successor to the rulers of India when the British fought the Indian rebellion?
Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely dead set against colonialism and ashamed of the atrocities carried out by my fellow countrymen but the idea that they went and stole from peaceful natives living a life of self rule and freedom on their own countries is frankly not true. It was a similar story in South Africa - prior to their defeat by the British, the Zulu's had founded an empire based on genocide.
None of this is by way of an excuse for what Britain did then, just that 'give the money back' is very easy to say but incredibly hard to do when the people who lost and suffered the most were losing and suffering long before the British showed up.
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Giving back to who is not a realistic question. It's too personal. Give back the diamonds, gold and other precious metals that were pillaged over the years is a better answer. The money taken from the mhugal was indirectly taken from the Indian people no? The taliban were put into a position of rule by the British due to being subservience no? South Africa had apartide until 1997 through influence of British rule? No?
Sure people suffered before British rule but also loooooong after British rule.
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The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
Sorry but whether she’s personally responsible for colonialism or not, I don’t understand why people from colonised countries should like someone that inherited wealth from colonialism and trading people. People are entitled to not like her, it’s not by force?
I feel like what I would struggle for us to do is to paint the Queen as some kind of anti colonial, anti racist, pro liberation person.
Give the stolen things back? And give the money back too?
Out of interest, who should she give the money back to? You mentioned India but the money that came from there wasn't taken from the Indian people, it was taken from the Mhugal Empire, a Muslim empire that started out from central Asia, should we be having it back to the Taliban as arguably the closest cultural successor to the rulers of India when the British fought the Indian rebellion?
Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely dead set against colonialism and ashamed of the atrocities carried out by my fellow countrymen but the idea that they went and stole from peaceful natives living a life of self rule and freedom on their own countries is frankly not true. It was a similar story in South Africa - prior to their defeat by the British, the Zulu's had founded an empire based on genocide.
None of this is by way of an excuse for what Britain did then, just that 'give the money back' is very easy to say but incredibly hard to do when the people who lost and suffered the most were losing and suffering long before the British showed up.
Mr"
I don’t know that people suggest that the countries colonised were peaceful. But like you have said, regardless of whatever was going on, it was not for the British to go and colonise and do all the other things that we won’t talk about. So not sure why that fact was elaborated on in that way? Especially because when we go further into the things like trading of people, it was not done on a racist, racial (as we understand races) basis before Europeans did it.
I hear what you mean in terms of the complexity of reparations. Though, physical items that may have been stolen from places that we now know to be a specific country should be returned surely? I don’t know if they have been.
In terms of money though I hear your point but the way the world looks now, in terms of countries and boundaries are invariably linked to colonial rule.
Perhaps reparations aren’t the answer, but to my knowledge, was there proper royal apologies made? What actually beneficial things have been done for countries that were colonised to undo what was done to those places? Or to those peoples? Aid? Is that it? Those last two questions I asked, you may dispute, but the idea that the Queen or the royal family are a representation of freedom for former colonised peoples or people’s from across the African or Asian diasporas (in relation to the OP) is super super disingenuous.
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
Sorry but whether she’s personally responsible for colonialism or not, I don’t understand why people from colonised countries should like someone that inherited wealth from colonialism and trading people. People are entitled to not like her, it’s not by force?
I feel like what I would struggle for us to do is to paint the Queen as some kind of anti colonial, anti racist, pro liberation person.
Give the stolen things back? And give the money back too?
And the day after she died is naturally the best time for that analysis? I don't think anyones said people from former colonies aren't mourning hard enough or that kind of drivel? No-one has to like her or mourn her. Do they? "
Sorry but I don’t see why people from those countries, not me or other British people, cannot have those opinions about a person on the internet the day after their death?
My points are in response to the ‘the Queen is responsible for colonialism now?’ Statement which responded to a suggestion about lack of empathy for her.
I’m simply agreeing with the- people lack empathy for her because the royals aren’t that great. |
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The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
Sorry but whether she’s personally responsible for colonialism or not, I don’t understand why people from colonised countries should like someone that inherited wealth from colonialism and trading people. People are entitled to not like her, it’s not by force?
I feel like what I would struggle for us to do is to paint the Queen as some kind of anti colonial, anti racist, pro liberation person.
Give the stolen things back? And give the money back too?
Out of interest, who should she give the money back to? You mentioned India but the money that came from there wasn't taken from the Indian people, it was taken from the Mhugal Empire, a Muslim empire that started out from central Asia, should we be having it back to the Taliban as arguably the closest cultural successor to the rulers of India when the British fought the Indian rebellion?
Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely dead set against colonialism and ashamed of the atrocities carried out by my fellow countrymen but the idea that they went and stole from peaceful natives living a life of self rule and freedom on their own countries is frankly not true. It was a similar story in South Africa - prior to their defeat by the British, the Zulu's had founded an empire based on genocide.
None of this is by way of an excuse for what Britain did then, just that 'give the money back' is very easy to say but incredibly hard to do when the people who lost and suffered the most were losing and suffering long before the British showed up.
Mr
I don’t know that people suggest that the countries colonised were peaceful. But like you have said, regardless of whatever was going on, it was not for the British to go and colonise and do all the other things that we won’t talk about. So not sure why that fact was elaborated on in that way? Especially because when we go further into the things like trading of people, it was not done on a racist, racial (as we understand races) basis before Europeans did it.
I hear what you mean in terms of the complexity of reparations. Though, physical items that may have been stolen from places that we now know to be a specific country should be returned surely? I don’t know if they have been.
In terms of money though I hear your point but the way the world looks now, in terms of countries and boundaries are invariably linked to colonial rule.
Perhaps reparations aren’t the answer, but to my knowledge, was there proper royal apologies made? What actually beneficial things have been done for countries that were colonised to undo what was done to those places? Or to those peoples? Aid? Is that it? Those last two questions I asked, you may dispute, but the idea that the Queen or the royal family are a representation of freedom for former colonised peoples or people’s from across the African or Asian diasporas (in relation to the OP) is super super disingenuous.
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The sla ve trade was alive and well in africa long before europeans turned up |
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The sla ve trade was alive and well in africa long before europeans turned up "
Not gonna lie, I was quite clear in my assertion that European trading of peoples which was justified on the basis of racial (as we understand race today) hierarchies and racism/ white supremacy, is unique and has had consequences on Black people of the African diaspora for centuries to now. |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
Sorry but whether she’s personally responsible for colonialism or not, I don’t understand why people from colonised countries should like someone that inherited wealth from colonialism and trading people. People are entitled to not like her, it’s not by force?
I feel like what I would struggle for us to do is to paint the Queen as some kind of anti colonial, anti racist, pro liberation person.
Give the stolen things back? And give the money back too?
And the day after she died is naturally the best time for that analysis? I don't think anyones said people from former colonies aren't mourning hard enough or that kind of drivel? No-one has to like her or mourn her. Do they?
Sorry but I don’t see why people from those countries, not me or other British people, cannot have those opinions about a person on the internet the day after their death?
My points are in response to the ‘the Queen is responsible for colonialism now?’ Statement which responded to a suggestion about lack of empathy for her.
I’m simply agreeing with the- people lack empathy for her because the royals aren’t that great. "
There have been a lot of comments on Twitter saying exactly that - the Queen is responsible for colonialism. And I said that in reply to someone else who implied it. People can of course say, feel, imply anything they want. I guess for me - it feels wrong when I see those comments. It feels lacking in humanity. Which ironically was the criticism of colonialism.
The discussion has been ongoing for years. It's an important one. I'm not denying that, or that acknowledgement/apology/reparations should be made. But one woman was not responsible. And the blame should not be laid at her feet before she's even in her grave. And I'm not a monarchist or a fervent royalist - not at all. |
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There have been a lot of comments on Twitter saying exactly that - the Queen is responsible for colonialism. And I said that in reply to someone else who implied it. People can of course say, feel, imply anything they want. I guess for me - it feels wrong when I see those comments. It feels lacking in humanity. Which ironically was the criticism of colonialism.
The discussion has been ongoing for years. It's an important one. I'm not denying that, or that acknowledgement/apology/reparations should be made. But one woman was not responsible. And the blame should not be laid at her feet before she's even in her grave. And I'm not a monarchist or a fervent royalist - not at all. "
Well I personally didn’t feel that the implication from anyone in this thread was that she was responsible for colonialism. Because she’s not solely responsible for it. Though she was an active participant in it even if not for long. She’s also a beneficiary of it. Lived a life of privilege in part due to gain from it. Etc.
Like I said, we never get it right. People are always unhappy with the response to the death of someone they like but don’t have the same energy when it’s someone they don’t. (Not saying you specifically, that’s people in general) gotta charge that to the game. It is what it is. |
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"He wrote: 'Racism was outlawed in England in the 60's & it's been allowed to thrive so why should black and brown mourn!!'
Hmm? I don't keep up on football. I wonder, is this the same Trevor Sinclair who was once arrested for being twice over the drink driving limit, who accused the arresting officer of only arresting him because he was black, and then called him "a white cunt"?
The same Trevor Sinclair who made further racist comments while in the back of the police van and continued to be “obnoxious, aggressive and racist while being booked in”
The same Trevor Sinclair who was found guilty of drink driving and a racially aggravated public order offence, and was sentenced to 150 hours of community service and handed a 20-month driving ban.
The same Trevor Sinclair who was subsequently dropped by the BBC from his role as a sometime contributor to Match of the Day?
That Trevor Sinclair?"
Yes that’s the one, the racist hypocrite….! |
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"Read about the Kenyan concentration camps in the 1960s and the debates going on right now in Africa about the British empire and it will give insight into why some black people may lack empathy for her
The Queen is responsible for colonialism now?
Sorry but whether she’s personally responsible for colonialism or not, I don’t understand why people from colonised countries should like someone that inherited wealth from colonialism and trading people. People are entitled to not like her, it’s not by force?
I feel like what I would struggle for us to do is to paint the Queen as some kind of anti colonial, anti racist, pro liberation person.
Give the stolen things back? And give the money back too?
And the day after she died is naturally the best time for that analysis? I don't think anyones said people from former colonies aren't mourning hard enough or that kind of drivel? No-one has to like her or mourn her. Do they?
Sorry but I don’t see why people from those countries, not me or other British people, cannot have those opinions about a person on the internet the day after their death?
My points are in response to the ‘the Queen is responsible for colonialism now?’ Statement which responded to a suggestion about lack of empathy for her.
I’m simply agreeing with the- people lack empathy for her because the royals aren’t that great.
There have been a lot of comments on Twitter saying exactly that - the Queen is responsible for colonialism. And I said that in reply to someone else who implied it. People can of course say, feel, imply anything they want. I guess for me - it feels wrong when I see those comments. It feels lacking in humanity. Which ironically was the criticism of colonialism.
The discussion has been ongoing for years. It's an important one. I'm not denying that, or that acknowledgement/apology/reparations should be made. But one woman was not responsible. And the blame should not be laid at her feet before she's even in her grave. And I'm not a monarchist or a fervent royalist - not at all. "
And I will add that I agree completely with you that there are many people who aren't comfortable lauding the Queen's passing. Who lack empathy for the royal family. That's entirely valid. It was using her death as a way to demonise her for all of colonialism's crimes - that, I object to. |
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And I will add that I agree completely with you that there are many people who aren't comfortable lauding the Queen's passing. Who lack empathy for the royal family. That's entirely valid. It was using her death as a way to demonise her for all of colonialism's crimes - that, I object to. "
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There have been a lot of comments on Twitter saying exactly that - the Queen is responsible for colonialism. And I said that in reply to someone else who implied it. People can of course say, feel, imply anything they want. I guess for me - it feels wrong when I see those comments. It feels lacking in humanity. Which ironically was the criticism of colonialism.
The discussion has been ongoing for years. It's an important one. I'm not denying that, or that acknowledgement/apology/reparations should be made. But one woman was not responsible. And the blame should not be laid at her feet before she's even in her grave. And I'm not a monarchist or a fervent royalist - not at all.
Well I personally didn’t feel that the implication from anyone in this thread was that she was responsible for colonialism. Because she’s not solely responsible for it. Though she was an active participant in it even if not for long. She’s also a beneficiary of it. Lived a life of privilege in part due to gain from it. Etc.
Like I said, we never get it right. People are always unhappy with the response to the death of someone they like but don’t have the same energy when it’s someone they don’t. (Not saying you specifically, that’s people in general) gotta charge that to the game. It is what it is. "
This was the most horrifying tweet I read. She's removed it now.
“I heard the chief monarch of a thieving r@ping genocidal empire is finally dying,” Uju Anya, an associate professor of second language acquisition at Carnegie Mellon University, wrote in a tweet. “May her pain be excruciating.” |
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This was the most horrifying tweet I read. She's removed it now.
“I heard the chief monarch of a thieving r@ping genocidal empire is finally dying,” Uju Anya, an associate professor of second language acquisition at Carnegie Mellon University, wrote in a tweet. “May her pain be excruciating.”"
I saw that twitter deleted it I think. Violated rules.
I don’t think the less enthused responses in general have been that bad though. And I’ve seen a lot of tweets on my TL that have been critical of the Queen’s relationship with colonialism. Unfortunately for her, she’s invariably linked to it. She knew that. And funny enough, I don’t think she cares all that much. I’m sure wherever she is, she’s at peace. |
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This was the most horrifying tweet I read. She's removed it now.
“I heard the chief monarch of a thieving r@ping genocidal empire is finally dying,” Uju Anya, an associate professor of second language acquisition at Carnegie Mellon University, wrote in a tweet. “May her pain be excruciating.”
I saw that twitter deleted it I think. Violated rules.
I don’t think the less enthused responses in general have been that bad though. And I’ve seen a lot of tweets on my TL that have been critical of the Queen’s relationship with colonialism. Unfortunately for her, she’s invariably linked to it. She knew that. And funny enough, I don’t think she cares all that much. I’m sure wherever she is, she’s at peace. "
I think you will have seen much more coverage and critical comments than I have. |
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This was the most horrifying tweet I read. She's removed it now.
“I heard the chief monarch of a thieving r@ping genocidal empire is finally dying,” Uju Anya, an associate professor of second language acquisition at Carnegie Mellon University, wrote in a tweet. “May her pain be excruciating.”
I saw that twitter deleted it I think. Violated rules.
I don’t think the less enthused responses in general have been that bad though. And I’ve seen a lot of tweets on my TL that have been critical of the Queen’s relationship with colonialism. Unfortunately for her, she’s invariably linked to it. She knew that. And funny enough, I don’t think she cares all that much. I’m sure wherever she is, she’s at peace.
I think you will have seen much more coverage and critical comments than I have. "
Don’t get me wrong I’ve also seen jokes. So it’s a mix. Just not seen any sadness and in that sense it’s good to step out of that bubble and read on here why she was loved by many. An alternative pov. |
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This was the most horrifying tweet I read. She's removed it now.
“I heard the chief monarch of a thieving r@ping genocidal empire is finally dying,” Uju Anya, an associate professor of second language acquisition at Carnegie Mellon University, wrote in a tweet. “May her pain be excruciating.”
I saw that twitter deleted it I think. Violated rules.
I don’t think the less enthused responses in general have been that bad though. And I’ve seen a lot of tweets on my TL that have been critical of the Queen’s relationship with colonialism. Unfortunately for her, she’s invariably linked to it. She knew that. And funny enough, I don’t think she cares all that much. I’m sure wherever she is, she’s at peace.
I think you will have seen much more coverage and critical comments than I have.
Don’t get me wrong I’ve also seen jokes. So it’s a mix. Just not seen any sadness and in that sense it’s good to step out of that bubble and read on here why she was loved by many. An alternative pov. "
My mum and nan also adore her but I’ve just not spoken to them about it  |
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anyone that drinks a skin full and then gets behind a wheel of a car is a twat, any opinion they have of anything after that decision is irrelevant, why would I listen or care about what such a person says? |
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