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By *JandCMCouple
over a year ago
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If you have an ex male rugby player who is now a woman the body in some cases will be a lot bigger n stronger than the average female, so it wouldn't be fair on the women in the team play against them. |
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Sorry it was world rugby that did this last time, wales is just following their guidance
“ The Union has amended its policy on transgender players based on "current medical and scientific evidence" and in line with World Rugby guidance.” |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.” |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.”"
So it's not a ban then ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.”
So it's not a ban then ?"
No.
They're free to play in the category which corresponds to their birth sex. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time."
Or play touch. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time."
An all-genders Union will never happen for the same reasons mixed male/female Unions don't already exist,it's a genuine player welfare issue.A trans Union would have more chance of success,but again there's the issue of player welfare,and will enough trans players join to make it a success? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Or play touch."
Touch is boring when the main reason you play is enjoyment of the physical contest.No tackle,no breakdown,no scrum contest,touch is a backs game  |
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time."
. You can't have men and women playing contact rugby together. It's dangerous. You can and they do and is encouraged to play mixed touch rugby |
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Or play touch.
Touch is boring when the main reason you play is enjoyment of the physical contest.No tackle,no breakdown,no scrum contest,touch is a backs game "
Couldn’t agree more
Quit touch rugby the moment a 5’2 girl “tackled” me with her pinky
Felt pointless |
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It's also important to appreciate the scale or size of the discussion. In english rugby... Welsh having about a tenth of the registered players... In English rugby I'm pretty sure we are talking about 6 registered players. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.”
So it's not a ban then ?"
Clearly not. I wish the media would stop saying trans people are banned from rugby and other sports. They're not. |
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"It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.”
So it's not a ban then ?"
I guess technically, they are banned from competing in whatever gender they pick and instead have to go with what’s on the birth cert
But from rugby entirely? Obviously not
Although I’d find it weird someone on HRT being allowed to play in a drug tested sport. But maybe that’s a separate issue they handle |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.”
So it's not a ban then ?
I guess technically, they are banned from competing in whatever gender they pick and instead have to go with what’s on the birth cert
But from rugby entirely? Obviously not
Although I’d find it weird someone on HRT being allowed to play in a drug tested sport. But maybe that’s a separate issue they handle "
They'd have a Therapeutic Use Exemption.
It's prescribed and there's a medical reason for it.
I think given that a considerable percentage of current doping suspensions listed on the UKAD site relate to the RFU they probably have a bigger issue to address regarding doping |
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"It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.”
So it's not a ban then ?
I guess technically, they are banned from competing in whatever gender they pick and instead have to go with what’s on the birth cert
But from rugby entirely? Obviously not
Although I’d find it weird someone on HRT being allowed to play in a drug tested sport. But maybe that’s a separate issue they handle
They'd have a Therapeutic Use Exemption.
It's prescribed and there's a medical reason for it.
I think given that a considerable percentage of current doping suspensions listed on the UKAD site relate to the RFU they probably have a bigger issue to address regarding doping "
That’s interesting, do they treat it like the UFC used to where exogenous testosterone was allowed under doctor supervision in the case of low T levels?
We all know how well that worked out for them |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.”
So it's not a ban then ?
I guess technically, they are banned from competing in whatever gender they pick and instead have to go with what’s on the birth cert
But from rugby entirely? Obviously not
Although I’d find it weird someone on HRT being allowed to play in a drug tested sport. But maybe that’s a separate issue they handle
They'd have a Therapeutic Use Exemption.
It's prescribed and there's a medical reason for it.
I think given that a considerable percentage of current doping suspensions listed on the UKAD site relate to the RFU they probably have a bigger issue to address regarding doping
That’s interesting, do they treat it like the UFC used to where exogenous testosterone was allowed under doctor supervision in the case of low T levels?
We all know how well that worked out for them "
Teetering is routinely abused in masters racing in a multitude of sports as it is so easy to get a prescription after a certain age... But we're getting off topic.
I'm not sure, my understanding is that any banned substance is granted a TUE providing you can get a doctor to say it was prescribed legitimately which fir a trans competitors would be the case |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Or play touch.
Touch is boring when the main reason you play is enjoyment of the physical contest.No tackle,no breakdown,no scrum contest,touch is a backs game "
That's why I like it 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.”
So it's not a ban then ?
I guess technically, they are banned from competing in whatever gender they pick and instead have to go with what’s on the birth cert
But from rugby entirely? Obviously not
Although I’d find it weird someone on HRT being allowed to play in a drug tested sport. But maybe that’s a separate issue they handle
They'd have a Therapeutic Use Exemption.
It's prescribed and there's a medical reason for it.
I think given that a considerable percentage of current doping suspensions listed on the UKAD site relate to the RFU they probably have a bigger issue to address regarding doping
That’s interesting, do they treat it like the UFC used to where exogenous testosterone was allowed under doctor supervision in the case of low T levels?
We all know how well that worked out for them "
It will be abused just like they did they ufc TRT belfort hiden in Brazil |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Or play touch.
Touch is boring when the main reason you play is enjoyment of the physical contest.No tackle,no breakdown,no scrum contest,touch is a backs game
That's why I like it
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I don't knock anyone who doesn't like the physical element of rugby and would rather play touch.Full-contact sports aren't for everyone,and personally I think it's great that there's a modified versionof the game with no contact so that a wider scope of people can join in and play  |
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Or play touch.
Touch is boring when the main reason you play is enjoyment of the physical contest.No tackle,no breakdown,no scrum contest,touch is a backs game
That's why I like it
I don't knock anyone who doesn't like the physical element of rugby and would rather play touch.Full-contact sports aren't for everyone,and personally I think it's great that there's a modified versionof the game with no contact so that a wider scope of people can join in and play "
With all the mnd, dementure and head injury cases.. Rugby is going to have to change a lot anyway. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Or play touch.
Touch is boring when the main reason you play is enjoyment of the physical contest.No tackle,no breakdown,no scrum contest,touch is a backs game
That's why I like it
I don't knock anyone who doesn't like the physical element of rugby and would rather play touch.Full-contact sports aren't for everyone,and personally I think it's great that there's a modified versionof the game with no contact so that a wider scope of people can join in and play
With all the mnd, dementure and head injury cases.. Rugby is going to have to change a lot anyway. "
I agree,player welfare and long-term health has to be the main priority |
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"What happens when a trans person plays in a male sports and does really well. We we see people then crying that said trans person is taking a spot from their son / xyz lol
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Well seeing as a ftm trans would be taking exogenous testosterone they'd have to ensure it stays within 'natural limits' I'd put any money on the fact that ftm trans would not be able to compete with natural men |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Or play touch.
Touch is boring when the main reason you play is enjoyment of the physical contest.No tackle,no breakdown,no scrum contest,touch is a backs game
That's why I like it
I don't knock anyone who doesn't like the physical element of rugby and would rather play touch.Full-contact sports aren't for everyone,and personally I think it's great that there's a modified versionof the game with no contact so that a wider scope of people can join in and play "
I enjoy contact too but not for a few years now. I was just making the point you've made really. There are options for people who want to play. |
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Further to my comment above... The total number of players affected by the statement.? ZERO.
A WRU spokesperson said: "With the provision of non-contact formats of the game, coaching, refereeing and a wide range of volunteering opportunities, the WRU firmly believes there is a place for everyone in Welsh rugby and works hard and proactively on the vitally important area of inclusion throughout the game in Wales.
"There are currently no registered transgender players in the Welsh women’s game, but anyone affected by the latest change in policy is encouraged to contact..."
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time."
Given the difference in strength between males and females generally that suggestion would basically be the end of women’s rugby. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.”"
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Given the difference in strength between males and females generally that suggestion would basically be the end of women’s rugby."
Exactly. Rugby is a physical contact sport and is only safe when teams are physically matched. |
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Given the difference in strength between males and females generally that suggestion would basically be the end of women’s rugby.
Exactly. Rugby is a physical contact sport and is only safe when teams are physically matched. "
Well the Trans argument is that is the trans man is a man, then 'he' is now physically matched to the other men
The reason you'll never see concerns about ftm entering a male team is that they simply won't be able to compete
But I'm all for it personally because I think it's hilarious to see an mtf trans individual beat the absolute fucking shit out of women in the name of feminism lol |
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"What happens when a trans person plays in a male sports and does really well. We we see people then crying that said trans person is taking a spot from their son / xyz lol
Well seeing as a ftm trans would be taking exogenous testosterone they'd have to ensure it stays within 'natural limits' I'd put any money on the fact that ftm trans would not be able to compete with natural men"
I am talking about trans like me Mtf. But being told to compete in male sports as I have penis
Ftm would obviously be crushed by most males unless a rare oddity of person. Unless it was a skill sport rather then physical prowess sport. Archery / shooting / fencing etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Given the difference in strength between males and females generally that suggestion would basically be the end of women’s rugby.
Exactly. Rugby is a physical contact sport and is only safe when teams are physically matched.
Well the Trans argument is that is the trans man is a man, then 'he' is now physically matched to the other men
The reason you'll never see concerns about ftm entering a male team is that they simply won't be able to compete
But I'm all for it personally because I think it's hilarious to see an mtf trans individual beat the absolute fucking shit out of women in the name of feminism lol"
Wtf?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What happens when a trans person plays in a male sports and does really well. We we see people then crying that said trans person is taking a spot from their son / xyz lol
Well seeing as a ftm trans would be taking exogenous testosterone they'd have to ensure it stays within 'natural limits' I'd put any money on the fact that ftm trans would not be able to compete with natural men
I am talking about trans like me Mtf. But being told to compete in male sports as I have penis
Ftm would obviously be crushed by most males unless a rare oddity of person. Unless it was a skill sport rather then physical prowess sport. Archery / shooting / fencing etc. "
How do you feel about the new rules for RU? Do you feel they make sense? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"... But I'm all for it personally because I think it's hilarious to see an mtf trans individual beat the absolute fucking shit out of women in the name of feminism lol"
Wow, just wow and absolutely nothing to do with feminism  |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"... But I'm all for it personally because I think it's hilarious to see an mtf trans individual beat the absolute fucking shit out of women in the name of feminism lol
Wow, just wow and absolutely nothing to do with feminism "
Not just me horrified by thst comment then |
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Given the difference in strength between males and females generally that suggestion would basically be the end of women’s rugby.
Exactly. Rugby is a physical contact sport and is only safe when teams are physically matched.
Well the Trans argument is that is the trans man is a man, then 'he' is now physically matched to the other men
The reason you'll never see concerns about ftm entering a male team is that they simply won't be able to compete
But I'm all for it personally because I think it's hilarious to see an mtf trans individual beat the absolute fucking shit out of women in the name of feminism lol"
The WRU already has a pending class action against it for brain injuries in the men's game. The organisation won't be taking any risks in the women's game that could come back to bite them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this a ban under a different banner.. ?
No it is a ban.
Trans women banned from women's rugby. They can still play in mens rugby"
The headline here is "Welsh Rugby ban trans" and the same headline is all over the news. That headline is false. It implies TW cannot play RU in Wales. They can. |
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"Is this a ban under a different banner.. ?
No it is a ban.
Trans women banned from women's rugby. They can still play in mens rugby
The headline here is "Welsh Rugby ban trans" and the same headline is all over the news. That headline is false. It implies TW cannot play RU in Wales. They can. "
Well its not necessarily false, because they have banned trans women from something . But it is incomplete.
Standard fare from headline writers sadly. No surprise there |
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"The best way around this - would be for people to form an all genders rugby union and that way male, female, trans, etc etc can all play together if they want.
If you want something in life you have to do it for yourself and not expect others to accommodate your needs all the time.
Given the difference in strength between males and females generally that suggestion would basically be the end of women’s rugby.
Exactly. Rugby is a physical contact sport and is only safe when teams are physically matched.
Well the Trans argument is that is the trans man is a man, then 'he' is now physically matched to the other men
The reason you'll never see concerns about ftm entering a male team is that they simply won't be able to compete
But I'm all for it personally because I think it's hilarious to see an mtf trans individual beat the absolute fucking shit out of women in the name of feminism lol"
It’s happened in MMA and it wasn’t very hilarious watching a mtf trans literally crack womens skulls open purely because of a political agenda |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is this a ban under a different banner.. ?
No it is a ban.
Trans women banned from women's rugby. They can still play in mens rugby
The headline here is "Welsh Rugby ban trans" and the same headline is all over the news. That headline is false. It implies TW cannot play RU in Wales. They can.
Well its not necessarily false, because they have banned trans women from something . But it is incomplete.
Standard fare from headline writers sadly. No surprise there"
No. I find it particularly annoying for this topic because it's used by trans rights activists to argue that TW can't play sport at all. And they don't mention the safety of (cis) women as the reason for the new policy. It's just described as anti-trans. But the choice by sporting organisations has to be between inclusion and safety/fairness. Can't have both. In the case of RU, they've chosen safety. |
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"What happens when a trans person plays in a male sports and does really well. We we see people then crying that said trans person is taking a spot from their son / xyz lol
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When it happens let us know.
We never hear if it because it never happens.
Not trans that have actually transitioned anyway |
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"What happens when a trans person plays in a male sports and does really well. We we see people then crying that said trans person is taking a spot from their son / xyz lol
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Yes im sure we would see that.
I think you know though, that the odds of this ever happening are next to zero.
I see no other reason why you would suggest this apart from to try and cloud the issue at hand |
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"What happens when a trans person plays in a male sports and does really well. We we see people then crying that said trans person is taking a spot from their son / xyz lol
Yes im sure we would see that.
I think you know though, that the odds of this ever happening are next to zero.
I see no other reason why you would suggest this apart from to try and cloud the issue at hand"
It's all hypothetical at the moment. There are currently zero registered players this effects in Wales.
In the event that one or two individuals come along... Well let's see. But it's a dangerous sport and player safety is the main priority. |
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"What happens when a trans person plays in a male sports and does really well. We we see people then crying that said trans person is taking a spot from their son / xyz lol
Yes im sure we would see that.
I think you know though, that the odds of this ever happening are next to zero.
I see no other reason why you would suggest this apart from to try and cloud the issue at hand
It's all hypothetical at the moment. There are currently zero registered players this effects in Wales.
In the event that one or two individuals come along... Well let's see. But it's a dangerous sport and player safety is the main priority. "
Absolutely. It comes down to logic, fairness and inclusivity.
You cant have all 3 at the same time |
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Hopefully people are welcoming of trans and I 100% with people and freedom of choice but science is there for all to see we have to keep people safe in a very physical sport there is nothing stopping them playing in a men team 99% of the team would be happy to play alongside a good teammate. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Hopefully people are welcoming of trans and I 100% with people and freedom of choice but science is there for all to see we have to keep people safe in a very physical sport there is nothing stopping them playing in a men team 99% of the team would be happy to play alongside a good teammate. "
Has the Rugby Union given any advice on the toilet situation? |
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"Hopefully people are welcoming of trans and I 100% with people and freedom of choice but science is there for all to see we have to keep people safe in a very physical sport there is nothing stopping them playing in a men team 99% of the team would be happy to play alongside a good teammate.
Has the Rugby Union given any advice on the toilet situation?"
Lots of clubhouses struggle to accommodate male and female facilities/changing rooms very well. Many have limited facilities for disability users. I cant imagine why they'd make changes for what is at the moment zero players. As and when they are needed I'm sure they will be accommodated. It's an argument looking for a home. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"Hopefully people are welcoming of trans and I 100% with people and freedom of choice but science is there for all to see we have to keep people safe in a very physical sport there is nothing stopping them playing in a men team 99% of the team would be happy to play alongside a good teammate.
Has the Rugby Union given any advice on the toilet situation?
Lots of clubhouses struggle to accommodate male and female facilities/changing rooms very well. Many have limited facilities for disability users. I cant imagine why they'd make changes for what is at the moment zero players. As and when they are needed I'm sure they will be accommodated. It's an argument looking for a home. "
An argument looking for a home.. Tom likes that. May he steal it please ? |
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By *mtasticCouple
over a year ago
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As a women's rugby player, I can honestly tell you that the sport is the most welcoming and inclusive going. However sense must prevail on this one... we train (non contact) against the colts to allow 15 v 15 training and even as teenagers the physical differences are apparent and we would have be at a great disadvantage in a contact situation. Now that's not me belittling women's rugby, it's a different style and of course I believe its equally as good (just a bit different). Its just science and nature...
There is of course the dangerous precedence of if it were allowed, where is the line drawn? Like we daw in swimming... is it then fair that a trans person can dominate and potentially take the place of female born players aiming to make it at the top level?
Just my two cents... |
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"As a women's rugby player, I can honestly tell you that the sport is the most welcoming and inclusive going. However sense must prevail on this one... we train (non contact) against the colts to allow 15 v 15 training and even as teenagers the physical differences are apparent and we would have be at a great disadvantage in a contact situation. Now that's not me belittling women's rugby, it's a different style and of course I believe its equally as good (just a bit different). Its just science and nature...
There is of course the dangerous precedence of if it were allowed, where is the line drawn? Like we daw in swimming... is it then fair that a trans person can dominate and potentially take the place of female born players aiming to make it at the top level?
Just my two cents... "
You can honestly tell us that your opinion is that its the most welcoming and inclusive sport going.
My sport is a martial art. Although there are women only classes for women who chose not to train with men, for the most part all training is mixed and no one is excluded from the mixed classes.
Ironically, some clubs do have classes for women and "female identifying people" that do exclude men so the question often gets asked, what group of people are the ones that are doing the most exclusion and segregation in the current time? |
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"Training together isn't the same as competing with each other.
Loads of sports have mixed training sessions for age and sex. "
I didnt say it was. However the sport also has open gender competitions where you can choose to compete against any gender that enters the category. |
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By *mtasticCouple
over a year ago
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"Training together isn't the same as competing with each other.
Loads of sports have mixed training sessions for age and sex. "
Exactly, as do we
Out of interest, are the open gender competitions still categorised by weight? |
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"Training together isn't the same as competing with each other.
Loads of sports have mixed training sessions for age and sex.
Exactly, as do we
Out of interest, are the open gender competitions still categorised by weight?"
Never understood why junior rugby in this country hasn't done this like NZ
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"Training together isn't the same as competing with each other.
Loads of sports have mixed training sessions for age and sex.
Exactly, as do we
Out of interest, are the open gender competitions still categorised by weight?"
The regular categories are divided by age, weight, gender, experience levels.
There are competitions that have open weight categories and open gender categories.
Not every competition has them but some do.
That then comes down to event promotors and rule sets.
The point being missed of course. |
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"It's not a ban. That's incorrect.
“The new policy means contact rugby for players in the female category is limited to those whose sex was recorded as female at birth.”
So it's not a ban then ?
I guess technically, they are banned from competing in whatever gender they pick and instead have to go with what’s on the birth cert
But from rugby entirely? Obviously not
Although I’d find it weird someone on HRT being allowed to play in a drug tested sport. But maybe that’s a separate issue they handle "
I know Of a professional female player (birth female) on HRT and it’s handled fine by RFU |
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By *mtasticCouple
over a year ago
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"Training together isn't the same as competing with each other.
Loads of sports have mixed training sessions for age and sex.
Exactly, as do we
Out of interest, are the open gender competitions still categorised by weight?
The regular categories are divided by age, weight, gender, experience levels.
There are competitions that have open weight categories and open gender categories.
Not every competition has them but some do.
That then comes down to event promotors and rule sets.
The point being missed of course. "
I'm not sure which point you think I missed, it was a genuine question as I mused over my own position. I wouldn't have any problem playing with/against anyone that was physically in a comparable category. Unfortunately for women's rugby there generally isn't enough players to divide into more categories. I think the RFU / WRFU could introduce a testing process but as others have said, I assume they do not yet know how to do this and the cost isn't seen as a priority. |
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"Training together isn't the same as competing with each other.
Loads of sports have mixed training sessions for age and sex.
Exactly, as do we
Out of interest, are the open gender competitions still categorised by weight?
The regular categories are divided by age, weight, gender, experience levels.
There are competitions that have open weight categories and open gender categories.
Not every competition has them but some do.
That then comes down to event promotors and rule sets.
The point being missed of course.
I'm not sure which point you think I missed, it was a genuine question as I mused over my own position. I wouldn't have any problem playing with/against anyone that was physically in a comparable category. Unfortunately for women's rugby there generally isn't enough players to divide into more categories. I think the RFU / WRFU could introduce a testing process but as others have said, I assume they do not yet know how to do this and the cost isn't seen as a priority."
The point being you can't honestly tell anyone your sport is the most welcoming and inclusive. Rather you can say your opinion is that it is. There are plenty of sport as or more welcoming and inclusive as or than rugby. |
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"The point being you can't honestly tell anyone your sport is the most welcoming and inclusive. Rather you can say your opinion is that it is. There are plenty of sport as or more welcoming and inclusive as or than rugby. "
Wow at the semantics
I'd guess most would understand such a statement to be an opinion without need to qualify it!
Which sports would you say are more inclusive?
I'd suggest cricket's up there. Plenty of women playing top level leagues and always a broad age group.
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