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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Any views on the report and/or Cameron's backtracking??
Think it is about time criminality by the press in the name of free speech is dispelled once and for all.
Not really in to Politics but see Cameron is siding with the bullying press in return for an easy run at the next election. Or maybe he's finally coming out of Murdoch's closet! |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I'm with Ian Hislop on this one. The acts were already criminal and the failure was that the cosiness of the relationships meant that no one was taken to task.
We, the people, have to stop buying the gossip and demand more from our press.
QT will be interesting tonight. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have a couple of opinions on this...........
I do agree that if the police were on the job with this then the hacking would have been punished much sooner.........
The politicians (of both Red and Blue stripes) have gotten away far to easily from this report.
I don't think Cameron (having listened to what he said in The Commons) ruled out legislation, he just said he does not want any......
Personally I don't see why the Print Media should have any looser a regulatory framework (PCC) than the Broadcast Media (OffCom). If the Broadcast Media gets a story wrong there is a shit storm and lots of people resign and there are apologies and resignations all over the place (see the BBC farago) yet the papers can get away with all sorts. Doesn't seem fair to me..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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camoeon is in murdochs pocket and has been for a few yrs just like the labour party was before this farcical coalition was formed.will the report make the press behave in a more reponsible manner i dought it murdoch is the puppet master and he will continue to pull the strings |
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the argument being put out by the print media that legislation will inhibit or restrict a free press is cobblers..
we have traffic legislation, it doesnt stop folk travelling in a proper manner and does usually punish those who are doing wrong..
they want to maintain the status quo which has proved to be innefective and corrupt in parts....
'our dave' is wrong (again) on this one..
what money on another u turn in the future.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The British Press has shown it's complete disregard for the privacy of individuals time and again in it's pursuit of 'free speech'. I believe legislation to curb press intrusion has now become absolutely neccessary as the Press seems to be unable and unwilling to regulate itself.
Free speech should not be upheld over the rights of individuals to privacy. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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free speech is a right we must never lose,but when this right is abused.
as the press have been abusing it for years,printing half truths,and outright lies,sensationalising every quirk, making unsubstantiated innuendo,and crucifying the innocent.
whilst using every underhand,dishonest,tactic possible,the press cannot be trusted,and laws must be made,to control,and regulate,what they print.they have already proven incapable of controlling and regulating,themselves.
it would take a brave politician who would legislate,from any party.as this would only insure that party going from government,to opposition,at the next election.
their insidious,institutionalised,corruption,and dishonesty,are so well established,they barely believe they have done any wrong.
they cannot be trusted,so must be controlled.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's very difficult to muzzle a dog who's business is to print whatever it feels it needs to in the name of 'free speech' - and who has the means to distribute it. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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The big issue that Leveson does not address is that the law in basically unenforceable on the internet and so the papers use the fact that something has been published there as a way of publishing whatever they want. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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We are not talking about free speech here we are talking about the downright lies and fanasies of our Gutter press.
Will they will be in the gutter if they manage to climb up that far. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The big issue that Leveson does not address is that the law in basically unenforceable on the internet and so the papers use the fact that something has been published there as a way of publishing whatever they want."
Its a good point but its nigh on impossible to keep things off the net so what do you do with the rags to stop them publishing? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"The big issue that Leveson does not address is that the law in basically unenforceable on the internet and so the papers use the fact that something has been published there as a way of publishing whatever they want.
Its a good point but its nigh on impossible to keep things off the net so what do you do with the rags to stop them publishing? "
I don't think you can but I do think it would be good to see a return to proper investigative journalism rather than a re-hashing of made up stuff from the net. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The big issue that Leveson does not address is that the law in basically unenforceable on the internet and so the papers use the fact that something has been published there as a way of publishing whatever they want.
Its a good point but its nigh on impossible to keep things off the net so what do you do with the rags to stop them publishing?
I don't think you can but I do think it would be good to see a return to proper investigative journalism rather than a re-hashing of made up stuff from the net."
I might actually buy one if they had proper reporters who drummed up facts and presented a good article. At the moment you are right 99% is from the net and you have no validity. One thing is for sure and that is they can't be allowed to behave as before. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
glasgow |
Two problem areas,ie press v internet,should not cancel each other out,that would be madness.
Tackle them one at a time,the internet is being used by the press as a smoke screen,to detract from their own failings.
Many problems are solved,by taking small bites. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Strange that the press have the freedom to find out and publish gossip about those who have consensual sex with prostitutes or other people's wives husbands or whatever gossip.
. But don't get a whisper about Saville yet after itv go public there are 7 dropped cases that the police/ cps dropped. And not one reporter thought it worth investigating.
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By (user no longer on site)
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What I want to know is what the hell is the point of ordering an inquiry to make an independent judgement on the behaviour of politicians in relation to the press if at the end of it politicians are going to decide they don't want to implement the recommendations? Cameron said he would implement what Leveson recommended unless it was bonkers. This was a lie, apparently. Cameron, you have got this wrong. Clegg and Milliband are right. The worst thing about it for me is the British public doesn't seem to be that bothered. Everyone can summon up outrage at whatever the latest scandal is but not for this. They castigate the News of the World for what they did but still happily buy the Sunday fucking Sun, either unaware or uncaring that it is the SAME PAPER!! Are people really so disengaged with the way their lives are run that they will put up with this? I fear the sad answer is yes. One thing I will say on a positive note is that Leveson has shown an abundance of a quality rarely demonstrated and one that gives me hope: wisdom.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Wiuthout legislation the Leveson reccommendations are worthless. Setting up a regulatory body that has the power to fine news companies for crossing the line is no power at all if they don't have the power to pursue those fines in court if the newspaper refuses to pay it. Even more worrying is that membership of the regulatory scheme is not mandatory and news companies can decide not to join it if they want.
Personally, I believe the Press has hidden behind the banner of 'Free Speech' to get away with all sorts of unsavoury, and sometimes immoral and irresponsible, reporting over the years and that the right to speak freely should not supercede an individual's right to privacy.
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Ask yourselves this: what if was a horde of press at your 5 year olds school trying to get photos? Happened to J K Rowling...what if your daughter was missing and you thought she was checking her voicemail but all along it was a press hacker? Happen to Milly Dowlers parents. Legislate them till they squeeze, I say.
I doubt much will change tbh. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Ask yourselves this: what if was a horde of press at your 5 year olds school trying to get photos? Happened to J K Rowling...what if your daughter was missing and you thought she was checking her voicemail but all along it was a press hacker? Happen to Milly Dowlers parents. Legislate them till they squeeze, I say.
I doubt much will change tbh."
We are in accord for once lol |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I did not think for one moment that Cameron would implement anything from the report. Ordering a Commission or Inquiry is now the knee-jerk response to any crisis. This shifts the work from politicians debating issues in Parliament to paying for some machinery to do the work which can then be ignored.
The good thing from Leveson is that it exposed so much. I also think it is a good thing that Cameron had a chance to show us that his main concern was over his reputation and connections to Murdoch, Coulson and Brookes. His speech was about how he is largely exonnerated!
The bad thing is that we now have the situation where we have status quo but with a bit of a name change. |
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"maybe public pressure may avail..
our dave is scared of upsetting the murdoch empire with an election due in 30 months..
sign the petition perhaps..?
www.hackingenquiry.org..
Dave Scameron will delay and bluster, block and procrastinate rather than legislate against his chums. For once he could show a bit of backbone. Its a case of the tail wagging the dog. Press hacking could happen to anyone and people with little resources won't be able to defend themselves. Where's the big society plan in this? Oh...there isn't one. Introduce and enforce a law that prevents hacking. Tricky Dicky Nixon would have loved it...."what did you know and when did you know it"...oooops! Not Thursday!
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is it just me or are people missing the real story here ? We are constantly being told we live in a capatilist democracy. But the enquiry has shown that high ranking police were in the pockets of media organisations.it would follow that smaller fish down the chain of command were also paid for info. we have prime ministers who are best mates with media organisations who have influenced policy and decision making. The same prime ministers are also in the pockets of global corporations and banking and these to also have massive influence of how the country is run.Not to mention in a capatilist democracy the banks would not have been bailed out. so the police are corrupt, prime ministers are corrupt and therefore democracy is a lie. R Brooks admitted at the house select commitee for media that she had paid police officers for information. This was shown on the news. That is a criminal offense. Why therefore did it take 5 years for the police to arrest her ? What is even funnier is that cameron is worried about the freedom of the press. However when it comes to our freedoms govt is very quick to chip away at those.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Strange that the press have the freedom to find out and publish gossip about those who have consensual sex with prostitutes or other people's wives husbands or whatever gossip.
. But don't get a whisper about Saville yet after itv go public there are 7 dropped cases that the police/ cps dropped. And not one reporter thought it worth investigating.
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From what I have heard and read, they knew (if not full well then something) of what Saville was up to. He, however, said that if anyone did any investigating he'd stop all of his charity work......... False threat if he was convicted, how much fundraising can you do from a cell? |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"maybe public pressure may avail..
our dave is scared of upsetting the murdoch empire with an election due in 30 months..
sign the petition perhaps..?
www.hackingenquiry.org..
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Not only dave would be scared.
no prime minister in the last 100 years has been brave enough.
people who elect,are to easily swayed by the press. |
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By *andCCouple
over a year ago
Leicester |
"free speech is a right we must never lose,but when this right is abused.
as the press have been abusing it for years,printing half truths,and outright lies,sensationalising every quirk, making unsubstantiated innuendo,and crucifying the innocent.
whilst using every underhand,dishonest,tactic possible,the press cannot be trusted,and laws must be made,to control,and regulate,what they print.they have already proven incapable of controlling and regulating,themselves.
it would take a brave politician who would legislate,from any party.as this would only insure that party going from government,to opposition,at the next election.
their insidious,institutionalised,corruption,and dishonesty,are so well established,they barely believe they have done any wrong.
they cannot be trusted,so must be controlled.
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Be clear on this, YOU DO NOT LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY ! leveson enquiry shows global corporations and powerful media institutions having huge influence on the decision making and policys that prime ministers and MPs make. So ask yourself in whose interest and benefit is the country being run ? It is not being run for your best interests is it ? global corporations and banking institutions threaten your elected representatives every time taxing them is mentioned. "We will leave" they say and hmrc and the govt backs down. The PM and MP's dont do this because they are afraid or tooth less, they back down because they only care about their own personal selfish interests and the rewards and benefits they get from playing ball. Your govt and parliamentary process is completely corrupted and a lie. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm with Ian Hislop on this one. The acts were already criminal and the failure was that the cosiness of the relationships meant that no one was taken to task.
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In total agreement it should have never got to that stage. |
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