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"I'm very happy that sense has prevailed...still not at ease with him described as a hero though. " he may have screwed up, that is true, but if it wasn't for guys like Danny then you wouldn't sleep safely in your bed at night ! Would rather someone like Danny as a hero than someone like Wayne Rooney . This man has been prepared to put his life on the line for this country and everyone in it. God knows how many times. He's a hero in my eyes, and I for one am glad he is back with his family ! But everyone is entitled to their opinion !  maybe it's because I spent 17 years in the services ! | |||
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"I'm very happy that sense has prevailed...still not at ease with him described as a hero though. he may have screwed up, that is true, but if it wasn't for guys like Danny then you wouldn't sleep safely in your bed at night ! Would rather someone like Danny as a hero than someone like Wayne Rooney . This man has been prepared to put his life on the line for this country and everyone in it. God knows how many times. He's a hero in my eyes, and I for one am glad he is back with his family ! But everyone is entitled to their opinion ! maybe it's because I spent 17 years in the services ! " | |||
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"I'm very happy that sense has prevailed...still not at ease with him described as a hero though. " Of course he wasn't a hero. Its the right wing tabloids who assert that on no basis of fact, and their poor semi educated readers just take it on board and repeat it like a mantra. | |||
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"I'm very happy that sense has prevailed...still not at ease with him described as a hero though. " Completely agree | |||
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"I'm very happy that sense has prevailed...still not at ease with him described as a hero though. he may have screwed up, that is true, but if it wasn't for guys like Danny then you wouldn't sleep safely in your bed at night ! Would rather someone like Danny as a hero than someone like Wayne Rooney . This man has been prepared to put his life on the line for this country and everyone in it. God knows how many times. He's a hero in my eyes, and I for one am glad he is back with his family ! But everyone is entitled to their opinion ! maybe it's because I spent 17 years in the services ! "What utter nonsense . In the first place it was not the army who enabled 'us' to 'sleep in our beds safely' during the Second World War; the Battle of Britain was fought by the RAF not the Army, and Britain's supplies were kept up by the merchant navy with protection from the royal navy. The British Army were driven off the Continent (just as with their usual incompetence they were annihilated by Zulus at Isandhllwana and massacred at and after Kabul by the Afghans). It was the Soviet Union and America which enabled 'us' to "sleep safely in our beds". And what has the British Army done for 'us' since then? . It has participated in a war on the other side of the world, ie Korea not because anybody there was threatening 'us' but because the politicians wanted to fight 'communism' wherever it arose (unless it was a big country like the Soviet Union or China of course).It then went out to the Middle East to stop the 'natives' from taking back something colonial Britain had imposed upon them by force. Then of course it went out to fight people in South America who hadn't threatened 'us' but had merely demanded the islands which were theirs but which colonial Britain had taken by force. It has gone to other places too such as Iraq and Afghanistan to interfere there. The Iraqis hadn't threatened to disrupt our sleep, and neither had the Afghans-theTalibann and al Qaida are not one and the same and the biggest ethnic group among al Qaida is Arab (mostly from that great ally of Britain's, er, Saudi Arabia. And it is the Police who enable 'us' to 'sleep safely in 'our beds' not the Army-it is they, after all who arrest terrorists not the Army. People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". " Jesus wept, are you naturally good at winning friends and influencing people or is it something you have to work at? Do you expect your views to be taken seriously when you generalise in such a negative way? | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. " Brainwashed into thinking what I ask??? 
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
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"Glad that the chap gets to spend Christmas with his family. Glad the police found one more illegal weapon. End of the day who would you prefer to have it a SAS soldier or some low life that would happily use it on innocent passers by. " | |||
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"Glad that the chap gets to spend Christmas with his family. Glad the police found one more illegal weapon. End of the day who would you prefer to have it a SAS soldier or some low life that would happily use it on innocent passers by. " Its the farmers with guns who worry me especially when I am nipping across the turnip field to the pub. As for the chap who was so used to having a gun at his side he didn't think, well I think probation rather than incarceration is far more sensible so lets hope he has a happy Christmas with his family. | |||
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"There is an amazing interpretation within this forum. I don't have the time of day to address them all. However as a reasonably educated person I am going to have a go at a few.. Ref: the SAS hero. I would suggest the fact he is in the special forces indicates he has done a lot of stuff that is dangerous and beyond our comprehension of risk in order to keep British interests safe. Yes what he did wasn't right but jail would appear inappropriate in my opinion as a tax payer. Ref: The armies failed contribution to this nation's wars. I'm sorry but there was a little more than a few RAF aircraft protecting our skies. What about the big frickin' guns that shot aircraft down during the battle of britain. And last time I checked an RAF spitfire/hurricane didn't march into Berlin from the beaches of France. Finally, the army doesn't unilaterally decide to invade anywhere. Check the political parties that we as the general public vote into office to make these decisions on our behalf. I am proud of our nation's military and its contribution to our security. Last time I checked the Olympics went without a hitch and it was all three services that provided that not just the police. When the fire service went on strike it was mainly the Army that stood up to fill the gap. When the houses were flooded across the UK it was mainly the Army is drafted in. Foot and mouth crisis guess what it was the fricking army doing a shitty job again. As it is all three services that served in Korea, in Iraq and even now in Afghanistan. You can discover this if you browse beyond the pages of glossy magazines. Fellow swingers that are in the army,air force and navy, I as a tax payer am very proud you serve on my behalf. But it is my opinion I appreciate everyone is entitled to theirs but sometimes I get a little excited if I think it is misinformed. Rant over...for now. " I am an historian. You are quite clearly not as is immediately obvious from your assertion concerning Berlin. British involvement in the D Day invasions was so insignificant that it was mentioned only three times in the entire correspondence generated by the invasions. It was the Red Army which took Berlin. The Americans got there later and the British came as their largely irrelevant tag alongs. Yes I appreciate the Army's role as strike breakers and slaughterers of defenceless animals which shouldn't have been killed in the first place. In view of the British Army's record of incompetence (Islandhlwana, the Rout of Kabul, bailed out at Waterloo by the Prussians, the debacle before Sebastobol, Gallipoli,etc etc, perhaps the British Army should be permanently employed to slaughter defenceless animals since the potential for messing up or being defeated is so limited. | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
Would you join up? "Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia . | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
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Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia ."Sure you would hulk hogan and we would all sleep better in bed for it.  | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
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Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia ."You have made your point, now you are being unnecessarily offensive.....is there really any need to go that far? | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z" Because initially he was unaware that it had been sent back with his kit. He was recovering from a brain injury while serving. It should have at least been deactivated. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z" Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. " I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
Would you join up?
Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia ."Ever thought of emigrating? | |||
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"I still have the medals presented to my relatives for bravery etc. and I wear my poppy with pride. I will never forget their bravery, nor will my children and their children. To those who mock our military, shame on you . " I certainly wouldn't mock the military - but surely they are still expected to obey the same laws as us? Z | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z" No you can own a handgun if you have the correct licence and have been vetted. Granted its not passed for everyone. Shotgun licences are more widely available but not semi automatic ones or pump action ones. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No you can own a handgun if you have the correct licence and have been vetted. Granted its not passed for everyone. Shotgun licences are more widely available but not semi automatic ones or pump action ones. " I see, so the laws changed again? When they were banned my ex took his in and got a misery amount of compensation - Z | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z" No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. Shotgun and rifles are legal to own if you hold the correct licence and suitable cabinets. You can even own a .50 cal rifle, which is capable of killing accurately at well over a mile. Yet a 9mm Glock struggles to be accurate beyond 30 metres! | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No you can own a handgun if you have the correct licence and have been vetted. Granted its not passed for everyone. Shotgun licences are more widely available but not semi automatic ones or pump action ones. " Pumps and semis are perfectly legal. They aren't allowed to chamber more than 3 rounds though. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Because initially he was unaware that it had been sent back with his kit. He was recovering from a brain injury while serving. " According to the story he suffered brain injury two years after he returned from Iraq with the gun. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. Shotgun and rifles are legal to own if you hold the correct licence and suitable cabinets. You can even own a .50 cal rifle, which is capable of killing accurately at well over a mile. Yet a 9mm Glock struggles to be accurate beyond 30 metres!" I knew i was right! Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). so a glocks pretty accurate up to about 30m - ah well - that's not dangerous at all then! Z | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No you can own a handgun if you have the correct licence and have been vetted. Granted its not passed for everyone. Shotgun licences are more widely available but not semi automatic ones or pump action ones. I see, so the laws changed again? When they were banned my ex took his in and got a misery amount of compensation - Z" It all depends on many factors with your ex, your date and time on the law, your understanding of the law, what weapon your ex had and what the police evaluation of your ex was as to possessing a firearm. There is a big difference in applying retrospectively for a licence for a fire arm you already posses and applying for a licence for a weapon you are wanting to purchase and licence. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Because initially he was unaware that it had been sent back with his kit. He was recovering from a brain injury while serving. According to the story he suffered brain injury two years after he returned from Iraq with the gun." If he did suffer a brain injury that's sad - but what about the 2 years he had the gun here prior to the injury? Z | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No you can own a handgun if you have the correct licence and have been vetted. Granted its not passed for everyone. Shotgun licences are more widely available but not semi automatic ones or pump action ones. Pumps and semis are perfectly legal. They aren't allowed to chamber more than 3 rounds though." Which equates to the same thing as a 3 round pump action shotgun is pointless as it is less accurate. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No you can own a handgun if you have the correct licence and have been vetted. Granted its not passed for everyone. Shotgun licences are more widely available but not semi automatic ones or pump action ones. I see, so the laws changed again? When they were banned my ex took his in and got a misery amount of compensation - Z It all depends on many factors with your ex, your date and time on the law, your understanding of the law, what weapon your ex had and what the police evaluation of your ex was as to possessing a firearm. There is a big difference in applying retrospectively for a licence for a fire arm you already posses and applying for a licence for a weapon you are wanting to purchase and licence. " he had the licences and was fully up to date - vetted every year and the cabinet also vetted - when hand guns were banned you had to hand them in - this was after the guy went beserk and shot all those children at that nursery. Z | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen." That isn't entirely correct as there are a number of people who legally own handguns in the UK. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. Shotgun and rifles are legal to own if you hold the correct licence and suitable cabinets. You can even own a .50 cal rifle, which is capable of killing accurately at well over a mile. Yet a 9mm Glock struggles to be accurate beyond 30 metres! I knew i was right! " Unfortunately you didn't but there you go. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. That isn't entirely correct as there are a number of people who legally own handguns in the UK. " lol - so it's changed from them being totally legal for everyone to a number? On the official web site i've just been on says that a normal private citizen can't own a hand gun. Z | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. Shotgun and rifles are legal to own if you hold the correct licence and suitable cabinets. You can even own a .50 cal rifle, which is capable of killing accurately at well over a mile. Yet a 9mm Glock struggles to be accurate beyond 30 metres! I knew i was right! Unfortunately you didn't but there you go. "lol - but i was! I was trying to be diplomatic with you rather than simply saying you were wrong! Z | |||
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"I'm very happy that sense has prevailed...still not at ease with him described as a hero though. he may have screwed up, that is true, but if it wasn't for guys like Danny then you wouldn't sleep safely in your bed at night ! Would rather someone like Danny as a hero than someone like Wayne Rooney . This man has been prepared to put his life on the line for this country and everyone in it. God knows how many times. He's a hero in my eyes, and I for one am glad he is back with his family ! But everyone is entitled to their opinion ! maybe it's because I spent 17 years in the services !
What utter nonsense . In the first place it was not the army who enabled 'us' to 'sleep in our beds safely' during the Second World War; the Battle of Britain was fought by the RAF not the Army, and Britain's supplies were kept up by the merchant navy with protection from the royal navy. The British Army were driven off the Continent (just as with their usual incompetence they were annihilated by Zulus at Isandhllwana and massacred at and after Kabul by the Afghans). It was the Soviet Union and America which enabled 'us' to "sleep safely in our beds".
And what has the British Army done for 'us' since then? . It has participated in a war on the other side of the world, ie Korea not because anybody there was threatening 'us' but because the politicians wanted to fight 'communism' wherever it arose (unless it was a big country like the Soviet Union or China of course).It then went out to the Middle East to stop the 'natives' from taking back something colonial Britain had imposed upon them by force. Then of course it went out to fight people in South America who hadn't threatened 'us' but had merely demanded the islands which were theirs but which colonial Britain had taken by force. It has gone to other places too such as Iraq and Afghanistan to interfere there. The Iraqis hadn't threatened to disrupt our sleep, and neither had the Afghans-theTalibann and al Qaida are not one and the same and the biggest ethnic group among al Qaida is Arab (mostly from that great ally of Britain's, er, Saudi Arabia.
And it is the Police who enable 'us' to 'sleep safely in 'our beds' not the Army-it is they, after all who arrest terrorists not the Army.
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"I still have the medals presented to my relatives for bravery etc. and I wear my poppy with pride. I will never forget their bravery, nor will my children and their children. To those who mock our military, shame on you . I certainly wouldn't mock the military - but surely they are still expected to obey the same laws as us? Z" why have you got that thursday feeling? Z | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". Jesus wept, are you naturally good at winning friends and influencing people or is it something you have to work at? Do you expect your views to be taken seriously when you generalise in such a negative way?" you took the words right out of my mouth | |||
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"It's illegal guns that account for the vast majority of gun crime. The registered users of fire arms are mostly decent people, they have to go through stringent checks before being allowed to own any fire arms. Who's fault was it in the case of the soldier with the 9mm? Who checked his kit before it left the other country and when it landed here? Was it hidden away or freely accessable? Was it dicovered by accident? I'm asking these questions because I don't know the full facts, only what has been bandied about in the press etc." there was a soldier on the radio ages ago - unrelated to this - and he said that they smuggle all sorts of gear back like guns etc - as souvenirs - Z | |||
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"In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia ." The ones I work with are both fit and intelligent. Sure, there are some slobs and idiots, but there are slobs and idiots everywhere. The Army does tend to be the last chance saloon for some people, but a private militia would be just as bad, and without people trained to lead the less able soldiers would not end well. My experience of soldiers has been pretty good, and I often wonder why people hate them so much. | |||
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"I still have the medals presented to my relatives for bravery etc. and I wear my poppy with pride. I will never forget their bravery, nor will my children and their children. To those who mock our military, shame on you . I certainly wouldn't mock the military - but surely they are still expected to obey the same laws as us? Z why have you got that thursday feeling? Z" Thursday is the night that most of the heated discussions always take place in here. | |||
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"I'm very happy that sense has prevailed...still not at ease with him described as a hero though. he may have screwed up, that is true, but if it wasn't for guys like Danny then you wouldn't sleep safely in your bed at night ! Would rather someone like Danny as a hero than someone like Wayne Rooney . This man has been prepared to put his life on the line for this country and everyone in it. God knows how many times. He's a hero in my eyes, and I for one am glad he is back with his family ! But everyone is entitled to their opinion ! maybe it's because I spent 17 years in the services !
What utter nonsense . In the first place it was not the army who enabled 'us' to 'sleep in our beds safely' during the Second World War; the Battle of Britain was fought by the RAF not the Army, and Britain's supplies were kept up by the merchant navy with protection from the royal navy. The British Army were driven off the Continent (just as with their usual incompetence they were annihilated by Zulus at Isandhllwana and massacred at and after Kabul by the Afghans). It was the Soviet Union and America which enabled 'us' to "sleep safely in our beds".
And what has the British Army done for 'us' since then? . It has participated in a war on the other side of the world, ie Korea not because anybody there was threatening 'us' but because the politicians wanted to fight 'communism' wherever it arose (unless it was a big country like the Soviet Union or China of course).It then went out to the Middle East to stop the 'natives' from taking back something colonial Britain had imposed upon them by force. Then of course it went out to fight people in South America who hadn't threatened 'us' but had merely demanded the islands which were theirs but which colonial Britain had taken by force. It has gone to other places too such as Iraq and Afghanistan to interfere there. The Iraqis hadn't threatened to disrupt our sleep, and neither had the Afghans-theTalibann and al Qaida are not one and the same and the biggest ethnic group among al Qaida is Arab (mostly from that great ally of Britain's, er, Saudi Arabia.
And it is the Police who enable 'us' to 'sleep safely in 'our beds' not the iArmy-it is they, after all who arrest terrorists not the Army.
People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. Shotgun and rifles are legal to own if you hold the correct licence and suitable cabinets. You can even own a .50 cal rifle, which is capable of killing accurately at well over a mile. Yet a 9mm Glock struggles to be accurate beyond 30 metres! I knew i was right! Unfortunately you didn't but there you go.
lol - but i was! I was trying to be diplomatic with you rather than simply saying you were wrong! Z"But you are clearly not there are well over a thousand hand gun licences validly issues to not government or military personnel in the UK. Just because you are not aware doesn't make you right, there will be many other things that neither you or I have know knowledge of but that doesn't mean because we are not aware it doesn't exist. | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
Would you join up?
Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia ."Mountaineering would be of a great deal of help in downtown Bristol would it. As for soldiers not being fit, have you tried yomping for 20km with a backpack that weighs as much as your own body? I know I couldn't do it, and these guys have to take what they need with them when they go out into hostile territory as they can't pop back to base for some more bullets if they run out, or knock at the nearest door with an empty teacup and ask for some water. As for starting your own militia, I'm not at all sure I'd want someone as fanatical as you in charge of a bunch of untrained men with guns. I can hazard a guess what you'd do if someone didn't toe your particular line. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. That isn't entirely correct as there are a number of people who legally own handguns in the UK. " It's completely correct I'm afraid. A private citizen cannot own a handgun. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. Shotgun and rifles are legal to own if you hold the correct licence and suitable cabinets. You can even own a .50 cal rifle, which is capable of killing accurately at well over a mile. Yet a 9mm Glock struggles to be accurate beyond 30 metres! I knew i was right! Unfortunately you didn't but there you go.
lol - but i was! I was trying to be diplomatic with you rather than simply saying you were wrong! Z
But you are clearly not there are well over a thousand hand gun licences validly issues to not government or military personnel in the UK. Just because you are not aware doesn't make you right, there will be many other things that neither you or I have know knowledge of but that doesn't mean because we are not aware it doesn't exist. "lol - whatever! Z | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
Would you join up?
Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia ."And where would you buy your illegal arms from? If this country is so bad why not move where you will feel more at home or find a country that meets your standards. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. That isn't entirely correct as there are a number of people who legally own handguns in the UK. It's completely correct I'm afraid. A private citizen cannot own a handgun." I'm afraid we're both wrong - apparently there are over 1,000 people with handguns who aren't military, police etc - can't think who'd they be personally but there you go! Z | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. That isn't entirely correct as there are a number of people who legally own handguns in the UK. It's completely correct I'm afraid. A private citizen cannot own a handgun." You may not be able to gain a licence for a handgun depending on many factors but never the less there are over a thousand hand gun licences issued within the British isles to people who are not within the armed forces or to government personnel. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. That isn't entirely correct as there are a number of people who legally own handguns in the UK. It's completely correct I'm afraid. A private citizen cannot own a handgun. I'm afraid we're both wrong - apparently there are over 1,000 people with handguns who aren't military, police etc - can't think who'd they be personally but there you go! Z" Obviously you only believe what you have seen personally and its not uncommon. 1500 years ago your relatives no doubt thought the world was flat, for all I know you may still do. I suspect its dinted pride posting but you have to accept you can't know everything. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. That isn't entirely correct as there are a number of people who legally own handguns in the UK. It's completely correct I'm afraid. A private citizen cannot own a handgun. I'm afraid we're both wrong - apparently there are over 1,000 people with handguns who aren't military, police etc - can't think who'd they be personally but there you go! Z Obviously you only believe what you have seen personally and its not uncommon. 1500 years ago your relatives no doubt thought the world was flat, for all I know you may still do. I suspect its dinted pride posting but you have to accept you can't know everything. "lol - you're so funny! Z | |||
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"I still have the medals presented to my relatives for bravery etc. and I wear my poppy with pride. I will never forget their bravery, nor will my children and their children. To those who mock our military, shame on you . I certainly wouldn't mock the military - but surely they are still expected to obey the same laws as us? Z " Not really, they can carry a weapon, detain, question and search people, fire a firearm and brandish a knife. They have their own police, and courts. So no, they are not expected to obey all the same laws as civilians. If they did they wouldnt be able to do their job. I know what you mean about the sas guy, but i honestly feel he was ill-informed ( to plead guilty) and a victim of a very poor sytstem which builds up then drops from a great height. | |||
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"duel at sunrise "lol - but not with a hand gun - I must admit that i used to love going to the firing range on a saturday morning but even that had to close due to the changes in the gun laws. Z | |||
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"I still have the medals presented to my relatives for bravery etc. and I wear my poppy with pride. I will never forget their bravery, nor will my children and their children. To those who mock our military, shame on you . I certainly wouldn't mock the military - but surely they are still expected to obey the same laws as us? Z Not really, they can carry a weapon, detain, question and search people, fire a firearm and brandish a knife. They have their own police, and courts. So no, they are not expected to obey all the same laws as civilians. If they did they wouldnt be able to do their job. I know what you mean about the sas guy, but i honestly feel he was ill-informed ( to plead guilty) and a victim of a very poor sytstem which builds up then drops from a great height. " I didn't mean when they're serving - i meant when they're on civvy street! Z | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
Would you join up?
Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia ."just how much experience have you actually had of 'most soldiers'.. what are you basing your sweeping generalisations and anecdotes on? from an academic perspective to talk utter twaddle imho, destroys some of the valid points you may have made in your arguments ... | |||
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"The irony is a good crossbow can inflict as much damage as most guns and you can't even hear the things being fired. They used to be illigal but now anyone can get one. We have a shop in York that sells them. Damn good fun to shoot though. "*illegal  | |||
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"Did we moan about gifts and trophies bought home during the world wars? Nope! We were glad they made it home alive. It's a situation that has been blown out of proportion and shouldn't have even made the news." But a tin hat wasn't illegal and would be hard pressed to kill someone! Z | |||
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"The irony is a good crossbow can inflict as much damage as most guns and you can't even hear the things being fired. They used to be illigal but now anyone can get one. We have a shop in York that sells them. Damn good fun to shoot though. "lets go shoot some zombies and have squirrel for dinner Daryl! | |||
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"The irony is a good crossbow can inflict as much damage as most guns and you can't even hear the things being fired. They used to be illigal but now anyone can get one. We have a shop in York that sells them. Damn good fun to shoot though. "True - the ban was an ill advised knee jerk reaction after the terrible massacre where the guy used a hand gun. Z | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force" You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK. | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK. "are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z | |||
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"I still have the medals presented to my relatives for bravery etc. and I wear my poppy with pride. I will never forget their bravery, nor will my children and their children. To those who mock our military, shame on you . I certainly wouldn't mock the military - but surely they are still expected to obey the same laws as us? Z Not really, they can carry a weapon, detain, question and search people, fire a firearm and brandish a knife. They have their own police, and courts. So no, they are not expected to obey all the same laws as civilians. If they did they wouldnt be able to do their job. I know what you mean about the sas guy, but i honestly feel he was ill-informed ( to plead guilty) and a victim of a very poor sytstem which builds up then drops from a great height. I didn't mean when they're serving - i meant when they're on civvy street! Z" Sorry , I presumed when you said 'they are still expected' that you meant serving military. Danny was sentenced to 18 months military detention by a military court, that has now been reduced to 12 months suspended sentence = still guilty but a lesser sentence. Its a mess, but I do understand why people feel so strongly about it. | |||
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"Did we moan about gifts and trophies bought home during the world wars? Nope! We were glad they made it home alive. It's a situation that has been blown out of proportion and shouldn't have even made the news. But a tin hat wasn't illegal and would be hard pressed to kill someone! Z" There were a lot more dangerous weapons bought back, just look in the museums. | |||
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"I still have the medals presented to my relatives for bravery etc. and I wear my poppy with pride. I will never forget their bravery, nor will my children and their children. To those who mock our military, shame on you . I certainly wouldn't mock the military - but surely they are still expected to obey the same laws as us? Z Not really, they can carry a weapon, detain, question and search people, fire a firearm and brandish a knife. They have their own police, and courts. So no, they are not expected to obey all the same laws as civilians. If they did they wouldnt be able to do their job. I know what you mean about the sas guy, but i honestly feel he was ill-informed ( to plead guilty) and a victim of a very poor sytstem which builds up then drops from a great height. I didn't mean when they're serving - i meant when they're on civvy street! Z Sorry , I presumed when you said 'they are still expected' that you meant serving military. Danny was sentenced to 18 months military detention by a military court, that has now been reduced to 12 months suspended sentence = still guilty but a lesser sentence. Its a mess, but I do understand why people feel so strongly about it. " Ah, I'm with you, it's a highly emotive subject! Z | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z"No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper. I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away? | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away? "lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z | |||
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" Danny was sentenced to 18 months military detention by a military court, that has now been reduced to 12 months suspended sentence = still guilty but a lesser sentence. Its a mess, but I do understand why people feel so strongly about it. " Nobody is disputing that he had a gun that he should have had disabled before returning to the UK, either with it or in his kitbag. This whole sorry mess is down the appalling way the Army forced him to plea guilty by making it clear that if he didn't, and was found guilty, he was receive a much longer sentence. That is NOT justice. That is a kangaroo court with the outcome predetermined before the defendant had even got up to speak. | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z"So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun. | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK. "I think I know read your pm | |||
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"I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away? "Under current legislation, you will be disqualified under the "totting up" procedure if you amass 12 points within any 3 year period. However, the rules are different for new drivers. Any driver who amasses 6 points within the first 2 years of passing their test will have their licence revoked. ~ Is disqualification compulsory at 12 penalty points? No, although it is "mandatory", there are exceptions. You may be able to retain your licence if you have special circumstances, and are able to justify a submission of exceptional hardship. ~ What if I am disqualified for a single offence? If you are disqualified for less than 56 days (normally for speeding or similar) your licence will be returned confirming the date the disqualification ends and on that date, your licence is valid again without any further test being required. It is important to note that when a discretionary/instant ban is imposed, the driver's licence cannot be endorsed with penalty points as well. | |||
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"I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
Under current legislation, you will be disqualified under the "totting up" procedure if you amass 12 points within any 3 year period. However, the rules are different for new drivers. Any driver who amasses 6 points within the first 2 years of passing their test will have their licence revoked.
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Is disqualification compulsory at 12 penalty points?
No, although it is "mandatory", there are exceptions. You may be able to retain your licence if you have special circumstances, and are able to justify a submission of exceptional hardship.
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What if I am disqualified for a single offence?
If you are disqualified for less than 56 days (normally for speeding or similar) your licence will be returned confirming the date the disqualification ends and on that date, your licence is valid again without any further test being required. It is important to note that when a discretionary/instant ban is imposed, the driver's licence cannot be endorsed with penalty points as well.
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" Danny was sentenced to 18 months military detention by a military court, that has now been reduced to 12 months suspended sentence = still guilty but a lesser sentence. Its a mess, but I do understand why people feel so strongly about it. Nobody is disputing that he had a gun that he should have had disabled before returning to the UK, either with it or in his kitbag. This whole sorry mess is down the appalling way the Army forced him to plea guilty by making it clear that if he didn't, and was found guilty, he was receive a much longer sentence. That is NOT justice. That is a kangaroo court with the outcome predetermined before the defendant had even got up to speak." They have a history of that unfortunately. I love working for the MoD but they can be right bastards sometimes. | |||
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"I'll thonk you'll find that's all incorrect! Jimmy Bond will be back in a sec! Z" I lifted it off MotorLawyers.co.uk so I'll take their word for it. | |||
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"I'll thonk you'll find that's all incorrect! Jimmy Bond will be back in a sec! Z I lifted it off MotorLawyers.co.uk so I'll take their word for it. "Ah well, apparently you can't believe everything you read you know! Z | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z"Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny. | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z
Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny.
"Ah bless your condescending little cotton socks! Z | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
Would you join up?
Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia .
Sure you would hulk hogan and we would all sleep better in bed for it. "Hulk hogan lol I was thinking more Jimmy Savile, would love to see you just attempt the assault course at lymstone, let alone start a militia, I'm sure the only weapon you can handle well you know were this is going ! | |||
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"I'll thonk you'll find that's all incorrect! Jimmy Bond will be back in a sec! Z I lifted it off MotorLawyers.co.uk so I'll take their word for it.
Ah well, apparently you can't believe everything you read you know! Z"I know. It's a character trait of mine to believe everything I've ever read anywhere ever ever. | |||
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" Danny was sentenced to 18 months military detention by a military court, that has now been reduced to 12 months suspended sentence = still guilty but a lesser sentence. Its a mess, but I do understand why people feel so strongly about it. Nobody is disputing that he had a gun that he should have had disabled before returning to the UK, either with it or in his kitbag. This whole sorry mess is down the appalling way the Army forced him to plea guilty by making it clear that if he didn't, and was found guilty, he was receive a much longer sentence. That is NOT justice. That is a kangaroo court with the outcome predetermined before the defendant had even got up to speak. They have a history of that unfortunately. I love working for the MoD but they can be right bastards sometimes." I just think its a total travesty that he has had fight for his freedom, and that his family has had to go through so much. Seems that some people can blatantly walk on the wrong side of the law without any fear of being imprisoned or deported, whilst others who have served their country cant be represented fairly or have circumstances taken into consideration. | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z
Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny.
"How in heavens name did a post about an SAS guy getting released turn into a quiz on who knows more about the law? Who gives a crap? We all know that the law is not fixed or set in stone. There are people out there who have driven at a 120 mph while under the influence of half a bottle of scotch and still have their licence. The law takes into account things that we don't know about, and in the case of the original post (seems so long ago now) I suspect that is the case too. Sheesh, its too late in the evening for 'I am rubber you are glue' semantics. | |||
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"I'll thonk you'll find that's all incorrect! Jimmy Bond will be back in a sec! Z I lifted it off MotorLawyers.co.uk so I'll take their word for it.
Ah well, apparently you can't believe everything you read you know! Z
I know. It's a character trait of mine to believe everything I've ever read anywhere ever ever. "Gosh me too! I'm a dippy little blonde with ne grasp of reality at all! Giggles and skips off! | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z
Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny.
Ah bless your condescending little cotton socks! Z"There an incredible amount of irony in you calling me condescending if you care to look back at what you typed. You really are amusing thank you so much for entertaining me its much appreciated. | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z
Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny.
Ah bless your condescending little cotton socks! Z
There an incredible amount of irony in you calling me condescending if you care to look back at what you typed. You really are amusing thank you so much for entertaining me its much appreciated. "Why thank you, i've found you amusing and boring but not in equal parts! Good night - off to bed to dream about fairies, butterflies and sparkly stuff! Z | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z
Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny.
How in heavens name did a post about an SAS guy getting released turn into a quiz on who knows more about the law? Who gives a crap?
We all know that the law is not fixed or set in stone. There are people out there who have driven at a 120 mph while under the influence of half a bottle of scotch and still have their licence. The law takes into account things that we don't know about, and in the case of the original post (seems so long ago now) I suspect that is the case too.
Sheesh, its too late in the evening for 'I am rubber you are glue' semantics. "It has amused me no end so dont spoil it. When have you ever seen a thread stick totals to topic? The best reads are the ones that stray away from the path. | |||
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" I just think its a total travesty that he has had fight for his freedom, and that his family has had to go through so much. Seems that some people can blatantly walk on the wrong side of the law without any fear of being imprisoned or deported, whilst others who have served their country cant be represented fairly or have circumstances taken into consideration. " Soldiers shouldn't be above the law simply because they are soldiers. That's not what this is about. As I said above, it's about the way he was treated at his court martial. It will be interesting to see if he has retained his pension. | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z
Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny.
How in heavens name did a post about an SAS guy getting released turn into a quiz on who knows more about the law? Who gives a crap?
We all know that the law is not fixed or set in stone. There are people out there who have driven at a 120 mph while under the influence of half a bottle of scotch and still have their licence. The law takes into account things that we don't know about, and in the case of the original post (seems so long ago now) I suspect that is the case too.
Sheesh, its too late in the evening for 'I am rubber you are glue' semantics.
It has amused me no end so dont spoil it. When have you ever seen a thread stick totals to topic? The best reads are the ones that stray away from the path. "I apologise. I must admit I have been able to add some choice phrases to my 'Condescension for dummies' notebook. | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z
Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny.
Ah bless your condescending little cotton socks! Z
There an incredible amount of irony in you calling me condescending if you care to look back at what you typed. You really are amusing thank you so much for entertaining me its much appreciated.
Why thank you, i've found you amusing and boring but not in equal parts! Good night - off to bed to dream about fairies, butterflies and sparkly stuff! Z"Did I bore you? I thought the word would be more frustrated? Well you amused me for 20 mins so thanks It was just as much fun as entertaining my niece in the park, the pleasure was all mine. | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z
Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny.
How in heavens name did a post about an SAS guy getting released turn into a quiz on who knows more about the law? Who gives a crap?
We all know that the law is not fixed or set in stone. There are people out there who have driven at a 120 mph while under the influence of half a bottle of scotch and still have their licence. The law takes into account things that we don't know about, and in the case of the original post (seems so long ago now) I suspect that is the case too.
Sheesh, its too late in the evening for 'I am rubber you are glue' semantics.
It has amused me no end so dont spoil it. When have you ever seen a thread stick totals to topic? The best reads are the ones that stray away from the path.
I apologise. I must admit I have been able to add some choice phrases to my 'Condescension for dummies' notebook. "And you have never taken a thread off path? Never? Hand on you did with your last post on this. Live with it the forums always stray so no need for calling anyone a dummy. | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z
Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny.
How in heavens name did a post about an SAS guy getting released turn into a quiz on who knows more about the law? Who gives a crap?
We all know that the law is not fixed or set in stone. There are people out there who have driven at a 120 mph while under the influence of half a bottle of scotch and still have their licence. The law takes into account things that we don't know about, and in the case of the original post (seems so long ago now) I suspect that is the case too.
Sheesh, its too late in the evening for 'I am rubber you are glue' semantics.
It has amused me no end so dont spoil it. When have you ever seen a thread stick totals to topic? The best reads are the ones that stray away from the path.
I apologise. I must admit I have been able to add some choice phrases to my 'Condescension for dummies' notebook.
And you have never taken a thread off path? Never? Hand on you did with your last post on this. Live with it the forums always stray so no need for calling anyone a dummy. "I haven't said either that I've never taken a thread off topic, or called anyone a dummy. There is a series of books called 'XXXX for dummies' which are teaching aids, and I was referencing them. I WAS saying that some of the things I have read on here came across as very condescending, therefore should be in the book. *sigh* You and me are never going to get on are we? | |||
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"People who apply for a Firearm Certificate for a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol from 1 October 1997 need to be a member of a rifle or muzzle-loading pistol club approved by the Home Office or Scottish Office under the Firearms Acts if they intend to use the gun for target shooting only. Muzzle loaders are now the only legal useable handguns available to UK shooters (apart from the historic cartridge firing handguns kept at designated sites). However, in order to conduct your shooting you will need a supply of blackpowder which as a classified explosive, has its own restrictions requiring the acquisition of a blackpowder certificate from your police force You can google till the cows come home, go back out to the fields and back into the milking parlour but google is not the answer to everything. You are amusing the life out of me though so thanks for the entertainment. It still doesn't change the fact there are over a thousand hand gun licences in non governmental or military hands in the UK.
are you still here? who said i used google? just out of interest who are these people and where do oyu get your info? are you in mi6? Z
No not at all although its taking a long time for the penny to drop I am sure you may work it out lol. Its nearly as good as playing hangman guessing the letters and constructing the lines on a piece of paper.
I have another one for you to ponder. How many points as a maximum can you have on your driving licence before you have it taken away?
lol - oh my god - you're a real life james bond! i.m fainting here! hahahahhahahhahahahah - you've made my day! Z
So what is the maximum points you can have on your licence without losing it, humor me come on for a bit of fun.
oh - i really can't be bothered as i know that people have kept their licences when they've exceeded 12 points - how is life in the secret service anyway? Z
Well you are right the legislation says 12 points, if you google its 12 points but if you look deeper there are people driving round with excess of 16 points for unspecified reasons. Just because you google something doesn't make it fact, there are circumstances you are totally unaware of but I can see you think only what you see can exist which just isn't the case and it has nothing to do with any government secret department so you no need fret yourself on that Ms Moneypenny.
How in heavens name did a post about an SAS guy getting released turn into a quiz on who knows more about the law? Who gives a crap?
We all know that the law is not fixed or set in stone. There are people out there who have driven at a 120 mph while under the influence of half a bottle of scotch and still have their licence. The law takes into account things that we don't know about, and in the case of the original post (seems so long ago now) I suspect that is the case too.
Sheesh, its too late in the evening for 'I am rubber you are glue' semantics.
It has amused me no end so dont spoil it. When have you ever seen a thread stick totals to topic? The best reads are the ones that stray away from the path.
I apologise. I must admit I have been able to add some choice phrases to my 'Condescension for dummies' notebook.
And you have never taken a thread off path? Never? Hand on you did with your last post on this. Live with it the forums always stray so no need for calling anyone a dummy.
I haven't said either that I've never taken a thread off topic, or called anyone a dummy. There is a series of books called 'XXXX for dummies' which are teaching aids, and I was referencing them. I WAS saying that some of the things I have read on here came across as very condescending, therefore should be in the book.
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. That isn't entirely correct as there are a number of people who legally own handguns in the UK. It's completely correct I'm afraid. A private citizen cannot own a handgun. I'm afraid we're both wrong - apparently there are over 1,000 people with handguns who aren't military, police etc - can't think who'd they be personally but there you go! Z" They're range owners and museum curators. The 12"+ barrel actually classifies the weapon as a carbine. Muzzle loaders are again different because of the amount of time it takes to load the weapon and the propellant used is black powder (gun powder). They're usually smooth bore weapons and their muzzle velocity is usually very low. Some airguns require an FAC depending on the spring/air preassure, anything over 12flbs. The whole reason for banning handguns was due to ease of concealment. A handgun is very easy to conceal and modern weapons usually have high capacity magazines (15 or more rounds). This was pretty much a knee jerk reaction after the tragic events in Dunblane. You'd have a pretty hard time concealing something like the rifle I currently own (legally owned) as its over 5' long (not including the suppressor). However there are restrictions on magazine capacity, the ammount of ammunition I can have at any one time and where I can shoot it. All my rifles and shotguns are inspected twice annually, often more and when I go on holiday I am.required to hand them.in to a firearms trained police officer at my main police headquarters (it cannot be handed to just any police officer). | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. That isn't entirely correct as there are a number of people who legally own handguns in the UK. It's completely correct I'm afraid. A private citizen cannot own a handgun. I'm afraid we're both wrong - apparently there are over 1,000 people with handguns who aren't military, police etc - can't think who'd they be personally but there you go! Z They're range owners and museum curators. The 12"+ barrel actually classifies the weapon as a carbine. Muzzle loaders are again different because of the amount of time it takes to load the weapon and the propellant used is black powder (gun powder). They're usually smooth bore weapons and their muzzle velocity is usually very low. Some airguns require an FAC depending on the spring/air preassure, anything over 12flbs. The whole reason for banning handguns was due to ease of concealment. A handgun is very easy to conceal and modern weapons usually have high capacity magazines (15 or more rounds). This was pretty much a knee jerk reaction after the tragic events in Dunblane. You'd have a pretty hard time concealing something like the rifle I currently own (legally owned) as its over 5' long (not including the suppressor). However there are restrictions on magazine capacity, the ammount of ammunition I can have at any one time and where I can shoot it. All my rifles and shotguns are inspected twice annually, often more and when I go on holiday I am.required to hand them.in to a firearms trained police officer at my main police headquarters (it cannot be handed to just any police officer)." just thinking about the thousand people with handguns, dont vets have them for shooting horses etc ? | |||
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"There is an amazing interpretation within this forum. I don't have the time of day to address them all. However as a reasonably educated person I am going to have a go at a few.. Ref: the SAS hero. I would suggest the fact he is in the special forces indicates he has done a lot of stuff that is dangerous and beyond our comprehension of risk in order to keep British interests safe. Yes what he did wasn't right but jail would appear inappropriate in my opinion as a tax payer. Ref: The armies failed contribution to this nation's wars. I'm sorry but there was a little more than a few RAF aircraft protecting our skies. What about the big frickin' guns that shot aircraft down during the battle of britain. And last time I checked an RAF spitfire/hurricane didn't march into Berlin from the beaches of France. " I would never normally get in between two such self esteemed and "notable" historians,having a brain out on who knows the most about military history. But before you tear down all the sacrifices and achievements of the brave airmen ,army and naval ratings who lost their lives in service of the country,Is there any chance you can remember they were people, Fathers ,Brothers ,Sons and in the case of SOE ,mothers and Daughters ? Many relatives of those people remember and appreciate the sacrifice they made,often its the only thing they have left. Its not pleasant coming across you both sullying their memory and denying their achievements with ill informed "shoot from the lip" knowledge. however for what it is worth , i do agree with your comments regarding the SAS guy. | |||
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"if an ordinary person was caught with a glock and over 300 rounds of ammo they'd get locked up - it's illegal to have a hand gun - why should he be exempt? Z Its illegal to have an unlicensed one and one that is incorrectly housed yes but intent and purpose has to be taken into account if common sense is engaged. He broke the law, he was convicted but a suspended sentence has been handed down for this sort of offence before so its not really as though he is exempt. I thought it was illegal to have any hand gun - shotguns can be owned if licensed and stored correctly - or has the law changed again? Z No, the law hasn't changed. Handgun ownership is illegal to a private citizen. That isn't entirely correct as there are a number of people who legally own handguns in the UK. It's completely correct I'm afraid. A private citizen cannot own a handgun. I'm afraid we're both wrong - apparently there are over 1,000 people with handguns who aren't military, police etc - can't think who'd they be personally but there you go! Z They're range owners and museum curators. The 12"+ barrel actually classifies the weapon as a carbine. Muzzle loaders are again different because of the amount of time it takes to load the weapon and the propellant used is black powder (gun powder). They're usually smooth bore weapons and their muzzle velocity is usually very low. Some airguns require an FAC depending on the spring/air preassure, anything over 12flbs. The whole reason for banning handguns was due to ease of concealment. A handgun is very easy to conceal and modern weapons usually have high capacity magazines (15 or more rounds). This was pretty much a knee jerk reaction after the tragic events in Dunblane. You'd have a pretty hard time concealing something like the rifle I currently own (legally owned) as its over 5' long (not including the suppressor). However there are restrictions on magazine capacity, the ammount of ammunition I can have at any one time and where I can shoot it. All my rifles and shotguns are inspected twice annually, often more and when I go on holiday I am.required to hand them.in to a firearms trained police officer at my main police headquarters (it cannot be handed to just any police officer). just thinking about the thousand people with handguns, dont vets have them for shooting horses etc ?" Not handguns typically. Usually is a precharged air weapon that fires darts for tranquilsation purposes, once the animal is subdued it would be put down in the usual manner, sometimes a shotgun would be used if there was no other alternative but that's very rare. Most handguns lack the penetrating power to humanly kill a large animal such as a horse. | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
Would you join up?
Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia ."I would love to see you sent to the front line and see how big and brave you are then, when you are out from behind your computer. You wouldnt last five minutes. | |||
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"I would never normally get in between two such self esteemed and "notable" historians,having a brain out on who knows the most about military history. But before you tear down all the sacrifices and achievements of the brave airmen ,army and naval ratings who lost their lives in service of the country,Is there any chance you can remember they were people, Fathers ,Brothers ,Sons and in the case of SOE ,mothers and Daughters ? Many relatives of those people remember and appreciate the sacrifice they made,often its the only thing they have left. Its not pleasant coming across you both sullying their memory and denying their achievements with ill informed "shoot from the lip" knowledge. however for what it is worth , i do agree with your comments regarding the SAS guy. " Good post PD. | |||
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"I have no strong feelings about the SAS guy's conduct, as I gather he cant give his side of the story just yet, due to the ongoing investigation. He will be well aware of the regulations of storage of a firearm and ammo in the armoury. I guess we may find out the true story in time? However as a separate issue, I do take exception to the 'academic' from bristol who took the excuse to slam the Army and military in general. Ridiculous, pathetic, ill informed statements about fat and unfit military personel make my blood boil! If you were sooooooo clever and well read, you would know every member of the armed forces has to pass a fitness test, otherwise they are eventually booted out of the armed forces if they dont pass the tests. For the work the guy in question carried out, I do believe he is a hero. Anyone who risks their own life for the good of either their country or other lives is a hero in my book. So that includes members of the armed forces, and special forces. So contrary to what the 'academic' in Bristol feels, I do believe we owe a debt to all those who have fought in wars for us. ps being a historian might mean you've learned a lot about your subject, but it seems its taught you nothing about either compassion or common sense! "While I broadly agree with your statement - the so called fitness test is a little bit of a joke tbh. | |||
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"My nephew recently undertook his first tour of Afghanistan as a Royal Marine.....he doesn't think he's a hero. My Older Brother (my nephew’s father) also served overseas and in several conflicts as a Royal Marine.....he also doesn't think he's a hero. My father on the other hand, the grandfather my nephew never knew, and the father my brother and I hardly knew at all, WAS a hero.....in that the action in question was recognised by the posthumous award of a medal for his endeavours. Was the SAS trooper a hero?, well not just for being in the regiment in my eyes, but of course he may indeed have proved himself to be a hero in his actions….but we may never find out. I will add this….thank god we have these men and women who are prepared to put themselves on the line to protect us at home and overseas. " Was the SAS trooper a hero?, well not just for being in the regiment in my eyes, but of course he may indeed have proved himself to be a hero in his actions….but we may never find out. Completely agree! I will add this….thank god we have these men and women who are prepared to put themselves on the line to protect us at home and overseas. Agreed and in the same spirit I would mention doctors, nurses, paramedics, fire fighter and policemen! | |||
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"I have no strong feelings about the SAS guy's conduct, as I gather he cant give his side of the story just yet, due to the ongoing investigation. He will be well aware of the regulations of storage of a firearm and ammo in the armoury. I guess we may find out the true story in time? However as a separate issue, I do take exception to the 'academic' from bristol who took the excuse to slam the Army and military in general. Ridiculous, pathetic, ill informed statements about fat and unfit military personel make my blood boil! If you were sooooooo clever and well read, you would know every member of the armed forces has to pass a fitness test, otherwise they are eventually booted out of the armed forces if they dont pass the tests. For the work the guy in question carried out, I do believe he is a hero. Anyone who risks their own life for the good of either their country or other lives is a hero in my book. So that includes members of the armed forces, and special forces. So contrary to what the 'academic' in Bristol feels, I do believe we owe a debt to all those who have fought in wars for us. ps being a historian might mean you've learned a lot about your subject, but it seems its taught you nothing about either compassion or common sense! "although on the flip side, perhaps it teaches us of the pawns of war, false patriotism and misinformation. I'm from an army background, I respect the job and lifestyle and of course I feel for those who get lost in service and of course families losing loved ones. I think its wrong to belittle servicemen/supporters in the way I've read above however I dont think the facts were essentially wrong about many of the recent 'historical military' campaigns abroad...u'd think Bin Laden was Adolf Hitler the way the media portrayed the hunt for him...when its actually more likely they were looking for a group of rich business men in suits...quite happy to use thousands of lives in the pursuit of control,fear and greed. I'm no historian, I'm no expert on wars..perhaps I just think sometimes being slightly cynical at motives in our current times may shed light on the inaccuracy's we appear to get exposed to regarding motives,budgets etc etc | |||
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"My nephew recently undertook his first tour of Afghanistan as a Royal Marine.....he doesn't think he's a hero. My Older Brother (my nephew’s father) also served overseas and in several conflicts as a Royal Marine.....he also doesn't think he's a hero. My father on the other hand, the grandfather my nephew never knew, and the father my brother and I hardly knew at all, WAS a hero.....in that the action in question was recognised by the posthumous award of a medal for his endeavours. Was the SAS trooper a hero?, well not just for being in the regiment in my eyes, but of course he may indeed have proved himself to be a hero in his actions….but we may never find out. I will add this….thank god we have these men and women who are prepared to put themselves on the line to protect us at home and overseas. Was the SAS trooper a hero?, well not just for being in the regiment in my eyes, but of course he may indeed have proved himself to be a hero in his actions….but we may never find out. Completely agree! I will add this….thank god we have these men and women who are prepared to put themselves on the line to protect us at home and overseas. Agreed and in the same spirit I would mention doctors, nurses, paramedics, fire fighter and policemen! "i don't think sgt nightingale packed his kit that the gun was found in as he was not well at the time and his kit packed for him to return to uk was packd by another trooper. don't think i ever heard sgt nightingale ever claim to be a hero!,it is just the perception of us ordinary people towards these people that go beyond the normal ding thier job,having spoken to quite a few sas troopers and marines they all say they are just doing a job!,being a hero is never mentioned. | |||
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"My nephew recently undertook his first tour of Afghanistan as a Royal Marine.....he doesn't think he's a hero. My Older Brother (my nephew’s father) also served overseas and in several conflicts as a Royal Marine.....he also doesn't think he's a hero. My father on the other hand, the grandfather my nephew never knew, and the father my brother and I hardly knew at all, WAS a hero.....in that the action in question was recognised by the posthumous award of a medal for his endeavours. Was the SAS trooper a hero?, well not just for being in the regiment in my eyes, but of course he may indeed have proved himself to be a hero in his actions….but we may never find out. I will add this….thank god we have these men and women who are prepared to put themselves on the line to protect us at home and overseas. Was the SAS trooper a hero?, well not just for being in the regiment in my eyes, but of course he may indeed have proved himself to be a hero in his actions….but we may never find out. Completely agree! I will add this….thank god we have these men and women who are prepared to put themselves on the line to protect us at home and overseas. Agreed and in the same spirit I would mention doctors, nurses, paramedics, fire fighter and policemen!
i don't think sgt nightingale packed his kit that the gun was found in as he was not well at the time and his kit packed for him to return to uk was packd by another trooper.
don't think i ever heard sgt nightingale ever claim to be a hero!,it is just the perception of us ordinary people towards these people that go beyond the normal ding thier job,having spoken to quite a few sas troopers and marines they all say they are just doing a job!,being a hero is never mentioned."I think we are singing of the same hymn sheet. That was what I was trying to say. A hero (in my world only, of course) is not somebody who is in the Forces. A hero is somebody who goes beyond the call of duty, puts other people's needs before his or her own, shows bravery and courage beyond the expected etc.... I also maintain a very close connection to the Forces as well as the SAS - you are absolutely right, they do not consider themselves heroes just because they are in the regiment and the majority are modest and quiet about the way they lead their lives. I guess where I was coming from was this... if we hail the SAS as heroes then we should hail as heros those who risk life and limb putting out fires, attending to RTAs etc. Does that make sense? | |||
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"Binding my fingers to stop me typing a very long and angry post. Instead, all I wil say is thank God for our military guys, all of them. " | |||
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"........ .......... I'm afraid we're both wrong - apparently there are over 1,000 people with handguns who aren't military, police etc - can't think who'd they be personally but there you go! Z ........" They're people who for whatever reason are deemed to be potentially vulnerable yet don't warrant 24x7 personal protection. The usual examples given are certain Ulster politicians but for obvious reasons they're never named. There are others. | |||
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"My nephew recently undertook his first tour of Afghanistan as a Royal Marine.....he doesn't think he's a hero. My Older Brother (my nephew’s father) also served overseas and in several conflicts as a Royal Marine.....he also doesn't think he's a hero. My father on the other hand, the grandfather my nephew never knew, and the father my brother and I hardly knew at all, WAS a hero.....in that the action in question was recognised by the posthumous award of a medal for his endeavours. Was the SAS trooper a hero?, well not just for being in the regiment in my eyes, but of course he may indeed have proved himself to be a hero in his actions….but we may never find out. I will add this….thank god we have these men and women who are prepared to put themselves on the line to protect us at home and overseas. Was the SAS trooper a hero?, well not just for being in the regiment in my eyes, but of course he may indeed have proved himself to be a hero in his actions….but we may never find out. Completely agree! I will add this….thank god we have these men and women who are prepared to put themselves on the line to protect us at home and overseas. Agreed and in the same spirit I would mention doctors, nurses, paramedics, fire fighter and policemen!
i don't think sgt nightingale packed his kit that the gun was found in as he was not well at the time and his kit packed for him to return to uk was packd by another trooper.
don't think i ever heard sgt nightingale ever claim to be a hero!,it is just the perception of us ordinary people towards these people that go beyond the normal ding thier job,having spoken to quite a few sas troopers and marines they all say they are just doing a job!,being a hero is never mentioned.I think we are singing of the same hymn sheet. That was what I was trying to say. A hero (in my world only, of course) is not somebody who is in the Forces. A hero is somebody who goes beyond the call of duty, puts other people's needs before his or her own, shows bravery and courage beyond the expected etc....
I also maintain a very close connection to the Forces as well as the SAS - you are absolutely right, they do not consider themselves heroes just because they are in the regiment and the majority are modest and quiet about the way they lead their lives.
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"I'm very happy that sense has prevailed...still not at ease with him described as a hero though. he may have screwed up, that is true, but if it wasn't for guys like Danny then you wouldn't sleep safely in your bed at night ! Would rather someone like Danny as a hero than someone like Wayne Rooney . This man has been prepared to put his life on the line for this country and everyone in it. God knows how many times. He's a hero in my eyes, and I for one am glad he is back with his family ! But everyone is entitled to their opinion ! maybe it's because I spent 17 years in the services ! " | |||
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"I have no strong feelings about the SAS guy's conduct, as I gather he cant give his side of the story just yet, due to the ongoing investigation. He will be well aware of the regulations of storage of a firearm and ammo in the armoury. I guess we may find out the true story in time? However as a separate issue, I do take exception to the 'academic' from bristol who took the excuse to slam the Army and military in general. Ridiculous, pathetic, ill informed statements about fat and unfit military personel make my blood boil! If you were sooooooo clever and well read, you would know every member of the armed forces has to pass a fitness test, otherwise they are eventually booted out of the armed forces if they dont pass the tests. For the work the guy in question carried out, I do believe he is a hero. Anyone who risks their own life for the good of either their country or other lives is a hero in my book. So that includes members of the armed forces, and special forces. So contrary to what the 'academic' in Bristol feels, I do believe we owe a debt to all those who have fought in wars for us. ps being a historian might mean you've learned a lot about your subject, but it seems its taught you nothing about either compassion or common sense! While I broadly agree with your statement - the so called fitness test is a little bit of a joke tbh. "Really.... and do you know what the fitness test consists of? 2 mile run, half mile in a squad as a warm up, and then a 1 and 1/2 mile sprint, with time dependant on age but starting at 9 and a half minutes. 2 minutes of sit ups, and a further 2 minutes of press ups. An eight mile hike, carrying weight, to be completed in less than two hours, weight dependant on the Unit you are in, but starting at 15 kilos, (plus water). AND.... this is the BASIC fitness level, testing carried out at least twice a year, and most units demand more, plus sports.... and all this on top of the usual training. And don't forget, being on exercise for up to 6 weeks with little or no sleep, carrying weights of up to 80 kilos on tabs of up to 20 miles, or fighting house-to-house for 24 hours solid. Sure, some civvies would find this easy..... but most would crumble. | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
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Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia .
And where would you buy your illegal arms from?
If this country is so bad why not move where you will feel more at home or find a country that meets your standards."so many people like you,& those muslim clerics & Leeches that bleed us dry do an awful lot of moaning and groaning about this country yet continue to reside here safe & sound in their beds!.. | |||
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"To paraphrase Jack... "Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for our enemies and you curse the Army. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that our enemies deaths, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand at post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to." I raise a glass to too many absent friends who paid with their lives so that people can have the freedom to speak their minds without fear. They wern't just some anonymous uniform to me, they were friends, and to others they were sons, daughters, fathers, etc. To them it was a job that had to be done.... think about that the next time you sit in your cosy office, or factory.... there isn't someone around the corner waiting to shoot you or blow you up. Heroes? Perhaps not, but certainly something special. " Its a good speech but he still got done for breaking the rules. | |||
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" People who have been In the Army are brainwashed and desensitised and often nutcases like the celebrated "Leopard Man". If they are found to have guns, which is illegal, they should be sent to prison and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment. Brainwashed into thinking what I ask???
If there was another 'proper' war and this country was being threatened the 'Brainwashed nutcases' would be the ones defending people like you..maybe your happy for them to do that on you behalf while you stay away?...
Would you join up?
Poppycock. Frankly I wouldn't rely on the British Army to protect me. I include mountaineering among my interests and have climbed all over the world and British Forces expeditions are notorious for messing things up and dying. In my experience most soldiers are not very intelligent and not very fit . If this country was invaded I would probably start my own militia .
And where would you buy your illegal arms from?
If this country is so bad why not move where you will feel more at home or find a country that meets your standards.
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"Guilty on both counts. " Yeah. After changing his story from, "i brought the gun back from iraq" to "i've no idea how it got into my room, it isn't mine"! Maybe because he KNOWS it is against army regs to possess a firearm. (and the 338 rounds of ammo certainly didn't do his case any good). | |||
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"I understand he broke the law by owning a firearm, but to be honest I would rather let someone who would respect a firearm than some of the little shits in gangs that own converted blank firers. He is less likely to go on a shooting spree than some immature kid that someone said no to." Really?? He stored up 300 rounds of ammo. Iftthat doesn't scream some sort of post service gun spree planning I don't know what does. Sorry but I think guns are just as dangerous in the hands of ex service personnel if not more. All it takes is PTSD to kick in and they think they are in a war zone again when they are out on their estate. It has happened and will happen again if we take a more lenient stance against people just because they served in the armed forces. | |||
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"I understand he broke the law by owning a firearm, but to be honest I would rather let someone who would respect a firearm than some of the little shits in gangs that own converted blank firers. He is less likely to go on a shooting spree than some immature kid that someone said no to." Is he? How would you know THAT?? He is just as likely to go on a 'shooting spree' than any other guy in the street! | |||
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"I understand he broke the law by owning a firearm, but to be honest I would rather let someone who would respect a firearm than some of the little shits in gangs that own converted blank firers. He is less likely to go on a shooting spree than some immature kid that someone said no to." Would be most interested to know how you come to that conclusion.... | |||
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"I understand he broke the law by owning a firearm, but to be honest I would rather let someone who would respect a firearm than some of the little shits in gangs that own converted blank firers. He is less likely to go on a shooting spree than some immature kid that someone said no to. Is he? How would you know THAT?? He is just as likely to go on a 'shooting spree' than any other guy in the street!" Possibly more so, since he has some form of brain injury. | |||
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"I understand he broke the law by owning a firearm, but to be honest I would rather let someone who would respect a firearm than some of the little shits in gangs that own converted blank firers. He is less likely to go on a shooting spree than some immature kid that someone said no to." matters not a jot about the merits of who has their finger on the trigger or in the case of a negligent discharge when its pointed at you.. | |||
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"I understand he broke the law by owning a firearm, but to be honest I would rather let someone who would respect a firearm than some of the little shits in gangs that own converted blank firers. He is less likely to go on a shooting spree than some immature kid that someone said no to. matters not a jot about the merits of who has their finger on the trigger or in the case of a negligent discharge when its pointed at you.." As always very well put! | |||
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"Mmmmmmmm. An awful lot of opinions voiced by people who got no closer to serving or holding a weapon than their kids action man. " You don't need to have served to know stockpiling ammo for a gun that a guy had as a gift.....no wait...... Wasn't his......but all this ammo is....is a dangerous combo. | |||
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"Mmmmmmmm. An awful lot of opinions voiced by people who got no closer to serving or holding a weapon than their kids action man. You don't need to have served to know stockpiling ammo for a gun that a guy had as a gift.....no wait...... Wasn't his......but all this ammo is....is a dangerous combo. " Another valid point - as is the accuracy of most assumptions about "most" other people | |||
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"Mmmmmmmm. An awful lot of opinions voiced by people who got no closer to serving or holding a weapon than their kids action man. " some of the contributors have served on 'ops'.. not that I believe that's a prerequisite for having an opinion.. maybe you have an opinion like others on top class sport and like others you possibly have not played at that level.. doesn't mean your opinion is worthless, or does it..? other posters may well have experience of gun crime in their locality etc.. | |||
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"ARRSE predicts a lengthy jail sentence." I think it may be more severe than the original sentence. | |||
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"Suspended sentence. That'll be appealed." Very surprising...two year suspended sentence. Who/what body would appeal it being a military court? | |||
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