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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Last year the report says that they solved only 3.5% of burgularies.
Tom had analysed that figure and is shocked that out of 100 burgularies less than 4 in every hundred are solved.
Imagine your locality. There are 100 burgularies and the Chief of Police is asked how many were solved....
No wonder the report says that poorly performing Chiefs of Police should be sacked |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Been burgled twice when we lived in London took the police seven days to come and take prints never heard anything. I think only reason people even bother calling them is for the incident number to give to the insurance company |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The first time we were burgled still lived at home , my dad put barbed wire on the fence where they climbed in. Police told my dad you must take that off because if they came back and cut their hands dad would be in bother |
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"A new report suggests that Police are more interested in being woke than solving crimes and that some offences are almost decriminalised
What's going on here guys
It's all over the news "
Not the police, the Government, stop police bashing, they doing what the big boys at the top tell them to |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
The real story.
Policy Exchange, a right wing lobbying group wrote a report no one asked . This is how funding and lobbying influence policy.
BBC took the bait because it it is so left and desperate for stories it will run anything that can be used to put negative spin on the government.
It added that Boris will meet police officers on the on Wednesday to say goodbye not in relation to the report. But it wants to make you think he’s read it and is responding, he hasn’t, he isn’t the slightest bit interested in what sine retired detective thinks who’s trying to sell consultancy services to ministers |
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By *arkjackMan
over a year ago
West Cork |
The technical term for it is anarcho traynny.
The essential premise in Western justice systems is 'equal before the law'.
This is an ideal of course, but selective enforcement is a problem - in the past it might have been a minority being persecuted but in the modern era it is the majority who are under attack by mobs promoted from within the middle class.
What straight, gay, white, black westerners all have in common is they are getting slowly poorer, their children can not afford to have habitation and this is not solving itself, we will see slums and modern forms of poverty.
I suspect this is because of the nature of tacit knowledge has changed and the rest is downstream of this.
In the past a person would buy a piece of land and construct a house - this was normal. I have a book showing prices of houses from the early 20th century and it shows that contrary to what our society says about the past - that our grandparents had it far easier than us. The major political factions we have deny this is true, they say the rents and prices were higher relative to earning power, but this is not true because our ancestors had forms of wealth that weren't represented on paper. That's our real loss. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's been going on for @30 years. ever since the Plod became the unofficial stop gap for all the other failing public sector services, social care, mental health. Now it's completely lost it's way. Crimes are barely, if at all investigated or prosecuted, in favour of some alternative woke local resolution that has nothing to do with justice or punishment for fucking around with the lives of others. It's far easier to decriminalise than address.. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
Client journalists, secretly-funded 'think tanks' & daft politicians who cheered massive cuts to the police are now trying to blame crime figures on the odd copper taking the knee or wearing a badge. That they will probably succeed is a mark of how corrupt our media ecosystem is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'd imagine it's a form of triage that's come around because of under-funding, manning, and protection for officers.
LvM"
It’s a piss poor excuse to address social issues that should not be the job of the police who should be catching nasty scumbags and leave social issues to social services, except there aren’t any. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Police got no chance with muppets in Gov. incapable of addressing some crazy rulings...!
Example, to think that a burglar has a right to prosecute a property owner, if they were to be battered by owner with a baseball bat due to them breaking in is just criminal...!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Me them don't mix unless am tapping DCIs wife again occupational hazard in my kind of work . Or pc illingworth,s of illingworth our local Oink Oink "
What?  |
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By *angzMan
over a year ago
Manchester, London & sometimes Newcastle |
"The first time we were burgled still lived at home , my dad put barbed wire on the fence where they climbed in. Police told my dad you must take that off because if they came back and cut their hands dad would be in bother "
Sounds about right. Home owners defending their property against scum are easy targets for the police, not the burglars. |
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By *ister CMan
over a year ago
liverpool |
"The police can't win. Get moaned at for not being visible enough on the streets to deter crime then criticised for not focusing enough on solving online crimes."
Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent 
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A new report suggests that Police are more interested in being woke than solving crimes and that some offences are almost decriminalised
What's going on here guys
It's all over the news "
it's not that they are more woke, but that the public perceive this.
Because showing solidarity against discrimination means you have a partisan political view. Apparently then some policial parties are pro discrimination.
And while the robbery stats are woeful, priority should be given to online crime.
I do agree that online issues can't be attacked in the traditional way. However this is a cross border issue... So the best bet would be to have a multinational police force... But I'm guessing an electorate spooked by a "eu army" would likely be spooked by a "EU police force" or similar.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Me them don't mix unless am tapping DCIs wife again occupational hazard in my kind of work . Or pc illingworth,s of illingworth our local Oink Oink
What?
He think he a bad boy gangsta innit  "
Everyone wants to be a gangster until it comes to doing gangster shit.... |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things... "
Trouble is with this comment is that in fact, the vast majority of police officers do exactly what you are suggesting they do. They work hard against a backdrop of unquenchable demand and do their best when ever they can.
I was criticised on a recent post when pointed out that NHS workers have the highest murder rate of our public servants but aren't vilified like the police.
The people (it's important to remember they are people, regardless of their career choice) who join the police are taken directly from the community. There is no pot of "Golden Humans" from which to select the future police officers.
If the community contains bad people, some of them will get through the selection process.
Some will be good people when they start, but become bad over time.
Same with all the other public services.
Their falling performance is more likely linked to greater expectations by the public such as the constant reporting of "he threatened me on Facebook" type scenarios and the decreasing resources, both in terms of funding and actual people to do the job.
It's okay that you are disappointed by the Police, but try and be a bit realistic about what you are paying for. You want M & S policing, but the Government are buying it online from Wish.com
Gbat |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Interestingly, today I read a news article that said the Police are concerned about future Notting Hill events as two Female Officers were sexually assaulted. When that sort of shit starts it only escalates. |
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By *ister CMan
over a year ago
liverpool |
"Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
Trouble is with this comment is that in fact, the vast majority of police officers do exactly what you are suggesting they do. They work hard against a backdrop of unquenchable demand and do their best when ever they can.
I was criticised on a recent post when pointed out that NHS workers have the highest murder rate of our public servants but aren't vilified like the police.
The people (it's important to remember they are people, regardless of their career choice) who join the police are taken directly from the community. There is no pot of "Golden Humans" from which to select the future police officers.
If the community contains bad people, some of them will get through the selection process.
Some will be good people when they start, but become bad over time.
Same with all the other public services.
Their falling performance is more likely linked to greater expectations by the public such as the constant reporting of "he threatened me on Facebook" type scenarios and the decreasing resources, both in terms of funding and actual people to do the job.
It's okay that you are disappointed by the Police, but try and be a bit realistic about what you are paying for. You want M & S policing, but the Government are buying it online from Wish.com
Gbat "
See on the face of it thats reasonable. If it wasnt for the threshold for officers being lowered and lowered again. Coupled with poor checks on the people being employed its not a one rotten apple scenario... its the barrel.
To use your analogy... I dont need not M&S... Lidl is fine. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
Trouble is with this comment is that in fact, the vast majority of police officers do exactly what you are suggesting they do. They work hard against a backdrop of unquenchable demand and do their best when ever they can.
I was criticised on a recent post when pointed out that NHS workers have the highest murder rate of our public servants but aren't vilified like the police.
The people (it's important to remember they are people, regardless of their career choice) who join the police are taken directly from the community. There is no pot of "Golden Humans" from which to select the future police officers.
If the community contains bad people, some of them will get through the selection process.
Some will be good people when they start, but become bad over time.
Same with all the other public services.
Their falling performance is more likely linked to greater expectations by the public such as the constant reporting of "he threatened me on Facebook" type scenarios and the decreasing resources, both in terms of funding and actual people to do the job.
It's okay that you are disappointed by the Police, but try and be a bit realistic about what you are paying for. You want M & S policing, but the Government are buying it online from Wish.com
Gbat
See on the face of it thats reasonable. If it wasnt for the threshold for officers being lowered and lowered again. Coupled with poor checks on the people being employed its not a one rotten apple scenario... its the barrel.
To use your analogy... I dont need not M&S... Lidl is fine."
It is the barrel isn't it?
Rachel Everards killer was known as the r#pist by his colleagues and that speaks volumes of the culture.
Ian Tomlinson's murderer was a violent thug who should never have been in the police and that was almost 15 years ago.
It seems nothing has changed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
Trouble is with this comment is that in fact, the vast majority of police officers do exactly what you are suggesting they do. They work hard against a backdrop of unquenchable demand and do their best when ever they can.
I was criticised on a recent post when pointed out that NHS workers have the highest murder rate of our public servants but aren't vilified like the police.
The people (it's important to remember they are people, regardless of their career choice) who join the police are taken directly from the community. There is no pot of "Golden Humans" from which to select the future police officers.
If the community contains bad people, some of them will get through the selection process.
Some will be good people when they start, but become bad over time.
Same with all the other public services.
Their falling performance is more likely linked to greater expectations by the public such as the constant reporting of "he threatened me on Facebook" type scenarios and the decreasing resources, both in terms of funding and actual people to do the job.
It's okay that you are disappointed by the Police, but try and be a bit realistic about what you are paying for. You want M & S policing, but the Government are buying it online from Wish.com
Gbat
See on the face of it thats reasonable. If it wasnt for the threshold for officers being lowered and lowered again. Coupled with poor checks on the people being employed its not a one rotten apple scenario... its the barrel.
To use your analogy... I dont need not M&S... Lidl is fine.
It is the barrel isn't it?
Rachel Everards killer was known as the r#pist by his colleagues and that speaks volumes of the culture.
Ian Tomlinson's murderer was a violent thug who should never have been in the police and that was almost 15 years ago.
It seems nothing has changed"
who hasn't put someone with a r@pey name into a position of power? signed Mr B Johnson, Westminster. |
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Move to Shetland, haven't been burgled in 54 years of living here and I don't even lock the door when I go out, or lock the car when it's outside the house. The only thing the police have to do is bust drug users and break up d*unken fights. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If I’ve just read things right (googled it so it must be true in the UK you are allowed to use a paintball gun as long as the power is below 12ft/lb per shot, now anyone who has been paintballing will tell you they fucking hurt and also explain it to the law or anyone else for that matter why your shellsuit and balaclava is now covered in paint, just a thought |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Move to Shetland, haven't been burgled in 54 years of living here and I don't even lock the door when I go out, or lock the car when it's outside the house. The only thing the police have to do is bust drug users and break up d*unken fights."
Drugs on the island ?
How? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Move to Shetland, haven't been burgled in 54 years of living here and I don't even lock the door when I go out, or lock the car when it's outside the house. The only thing the police have to do is bust drug users and break up d*unken fights.
Drugs on the island ?
How?"
probably foreigners...
(The English  ) |
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By *eisty LadyWoman
over a year ago
Count Your Blessings Cottage, Gratitude Grove |
"The police can't win. Get moaned at for not being visible enough on the streets to deter crime then criticised for not focusing enough on solving online crimes.
Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
Trouble is with this comment is that in fact, the vast majority of police officers do exactly what you are suggesting they do. They work hard against a backdrop of unquenchable demand and do their best when ever they can.
I was criticised on a recent post when pointed out that NHS workers have the highest murder rate of our public servants but aren't vilified like the police.
The people (it's important to remember they are people, regardless of their career choice) who join the police are taken directly from the community. There is no pot of "Golden Humans" from which to select the future police officers.
If the community contains bad people, some of them will get through the selection process.
Some will be good people when they start, but become bad over time.
Same with all the other public services.
Their falling performance is more likely linked to greater expectations by the public such as the constant reporting of "he threatened me on Facebook" type scenarios and the decreasing resources, both in terms of funding and actual people to do the job.
It's okay that you are disappointed by the Police, but try and be a bit realistic about what you are paying for. You want M & S policing, but the Government are buying it online from Wish.com
Gbat
See on the face of it thats reasonable. If it wasnt for the threshold for officers being lowered and lowered again. Coupled with poor checks on the people being employed its not a one rotten apple scenario... its the barrel.
To use your analogy... I dont need not M&S... Lidl is fine.
It is the barrel isn't it?
Rachel Everards killer was known as the r#pist by his colleagues and that speaks volumes of the culture.
Ian Tomlinson's murderer was a violent thug who should never have been in the police and that was almost 15 years ago.
It seems nothing has changed"
Yep the entire barrel. All 160,000 of them.
Some people on here appear to have a rather poor grasp of how the news works. It doesn't report run of the mill stuff. It doesn't report routine. If a country with one hundred and sixty thousand police officers has occasional news items about the failings of some then its nigh on a certainty that what is being reported is out of the ordinary.
Mr |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The police can't win. Get moaned at for not being visible enough on the streets to deter crime then criticised for not focusing enough on solving online crimes.
Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
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can’t argue with “Facts”, very eloquently put |
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"Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
Trouble is with this comment is that in fact, the vast majority of police officers do exactly what you are suggesting they do. They work hard against a backdrop of unquenchable demand and do their best when ever they can.
I was criticised on a recent post when pointed out that NHS workers have the highest murder rate of our public servants but aren't vilified like the police.
The people (it's important to remember they are people, regardless of their career choice) who join the police are taken directly from the community. There is no pot of "Golden Humans" from which to select the future police officers.
If the community contains bad people, some of them will get through the selection process.
Some will be good people when they start, but become bad over time.
Same with all the other public services.
Their falling performance is more likely linked to greater expectations by the public such as the constant reporting of "he threatened me on Facebook" type scenarios and the decreasing resources, both in terms of funding and actual people to do the job.
It's okay that you are disappointed by the Police, but try and be a bit realistic about what you are paying for. You want M & S policing, but the Government are buying it online from Wish.com
Gbat
See on the face of it thats reasonable. If it wasnt for the threshold for officers being lowered and lowered again. Coupled with poor checks on the people being employed its not a one rotten apple scenario... its the barrel.
To use your analogy... I dont need not M&S... Lidl is fine.
It is the barrel isn't it?
Rachel Everards killer was known as the r#pist by his colleagues and that speaks volumes of the culture.
Ian Tomlinson's murderer was a violent thug who should never have been in the police and that was almost 15 years ago.
It seems nothing has changed
Yep the entire barrel. All 160,000 of them.
Some people on here appear to have a rather poor grasp of how the news works. It doesn't report run of the mill stuff. It doesn't report routine. If a country with one hundred and sixty thousand police officers has occasional news items about the failings of some then its nigh on a certainty that what is being reported is out of the ordinary.
Mr"
Well said. Exactly this |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"The force is a corporation. Not there for the people anymore just there to make money. "
There is no "The Force"
In Scotland, there is a single Police Force.
In Northern Ireland there is a single Police Force.
In Wales there are 4 separate Police Forces.
In England there are 39 separate Police Forces.
On top of that there are 3 Specialist PoliceForces (Transport, Nuclear, MoD).
And then the National Crime Agency.
They don't even have the same uniforms and same set procedures. In some parts of the UK, they don't even follow the same laws.
So when you see an appalling news report about a copper in London that murders someone, it's a bit rich to blame a copper in Barry, who doesn't even work for the same organisation.
It's like blaming your local hospital for the Alder Hey scandal, even though your local hospital has no connection with Alder Hey in any shape or form other than they are both hospitals.
If as people have suggested, the whole of UK policing is corrupted beyond repair, then you'd better get your thinking caps on and sort out something new or you are all fucked. I don't want to be in the UK in the period when you sack the whole current lot and then train up the new ones. Carnage!
Interestingly, The Police Federation of England and Wales has repeatedly asked for a Royal Commission into Policing so that people can finally decide on what it is you want YOUR police to do.
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"Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
Trouble is with this comment is that in fact, the vast majority of police officers do exactly what you are suggesting they do. They work hard against a backdrop of unquenchable demand and do their best when ever they can.
I was criticised on a recent post when pointed out that NHS workers have the highest murder rate of our public servants but aren't vilified like the police.
The people (it's important to remember they are people, regardless of their career choice) who join the police are taken directly from the community. There is no pot of "Golden Humans" from which to select the future police officers.
If the community contains bad people, some of them will get through the selection process.
Some will be good people when they start, but become bad over time.
Same with all the other public services.
Their falling performance is more likely linked to greater expectations by the public such as the constant reporting of "he threatened me on Facebook" type scenarios and the decreasing resources, both in terms of funding and actual people to do the job.
It's okay that you are disappointed by the Police, but try and be a bit realistic about what you are paying for. You want M & S policing, but the Government are buying it online from Wish.com
Gbat
See on the face of it thats reasonable. If it wasnt for the threshold for officers being lowered and lowered again. Coupled with poor checks on the people being employed its not a one rotten apple scenario... its the barrel.
To use your analogy... I dont need not M&S... Lidl is fine.
It is the barrel isn't it?
Rachel Everards killer was known as the r#pist by his colleagues and that speaks volumes of the culture.
Ian Tomlinson's murderer was a violent thug who should never have been in the police and that was almost 15 years ago.
It seems nothing has changed
Yep the entire barrel. All 160,000 of them.
Some people on here appear to have a rather poor grasp of how the news works. It doesn't report run of the mill stuff. It doesn't report routine. If a country with one hundred and sixty thousand police officers has occasional news items about the failings of some then its nigh on a certainty that what is being reported is out of the ordinary.
Mr"
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"The police can't win. Get moaned at for not being visible enough on the streets to deter crime then criticised for not focusing enough on solving online crimes.
Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
"
Bit patronising ain't ya.....hunny
Name me any profession where checks sufficiently ensure your whole workforce is free from corruption and wrong doing. I'll wait.
Does it make those things ok,? Of course not. There needs to be tougher consequences for those found not upholding standards and decency.
None of those things you listed related to what the report was about or what I raised though. Clearly you have an ACAB agenda you want to push though. |
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over a year ago
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62732336
Just in case you want to read the actual story
Thank you Evie. Every great columnist has a good researcher to take care of the detail...
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Any great columnist (or piss poor one for that matter) would research their topic independently and then assert their opinion front and centre, not just riff off someone else’s headline and mask their opinion behind canvassing for mine. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The force is a corporation. Not there for the people anymore just there to make money.
There is no "The Force"
In Scotland, there is a single Police Force.
In Northern Ireland there is a single Police Force.
In Wales there are 4 separate Police Forces.
In England there are 39 separate Police Forces.
On top of that there are 3 Specialist PoliceForces (Transport, Nuclear, MoD).
And then the National Crime Agency.
They don't even have the same uniforms and same set procedures. In some parts of the UK, they don't even follow the same laws.
So when you see an appalling news report about a copper in London that murders someone, it's a bit rich to blame a copper in Barry, who doesn't even work for the same organisation.
It's like blaming your local hospital for the Alder Hey scandal, even though your local hospital has no connection with Alder Hey in any shape or form other than they are both hospitals.
If as people have suggested, the whole of UK policing is corrupted beyond repair, then you'd better get your thinking caps on and sort out something new or you are all fucked. I don't want to be in the UK in the period when you sack the whole current lot and then train up the new ones. Carnage!
Interestingly, The Police Federation of England and Wales has repeatedly asked for a Royal Commission into Policing so that people can finally decide on what it is you want YOUR police to do.
Gbat "
It’s a nice concept but the public can’t be expected to decide what they want ‘their’ police to do. Someone who lives in an inner city blighted by drugs, violence, sex trafficking etc. will have a different perspective than someone in a rural area putting up with fly tipping, road rage cyclists and their tractor being stolen.
Most don’t even know what the police actually do. Hell, the police are so confused about their identity, they don’t know what they are supposed to be doing! |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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"Hell, the police are so confused about their identity, they don’t know what they are supposed to be doing!"
This was the bit that a Royal Commission was supposed to decide.
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"The force is a corporation. Not there for the people anymore just there to make money.
There is no "The Force"
In Scotland, there is a single Police Force.
In Northern Ireland there is a single Police Force.
In Wales there are 4 separate Police Forces.
In England there are 39 separate Police Forces.
On top of that there are 3 Specialist PoliceForces (Transport, Nuclear, MoD).
And then the National Crime Agency.
They don't even have the same uniforms and same set procedures. In some parts of the UK, they don't even follow the same laws.
So when you see an appalling news report about a copper in London that murders someone, it's a bit rich to blame a copper in Barry, who doesn't even work for the same organisation.
It's like blaming your local hospital for the Alder Hey scandal, even though your local hospital has no connection with Alder Hey in any shape or form other than they are both hospitals.
If as people have suggested, the whole of UK policing is corrupted beyond repair, then you'd better get your thinking caps on and sort out something new or you are all fucked. I don't want to be in the UK in the period when you sack the whole current lot and then train up the new ones. Carnage!
Interestingly, The Police Federation of England and Wales has repeatedly asked for a Royal Commission into Policing so that people can finally decide on what it is you want YOUR police to do.
Gbat
It’s a nice concept but the public can’t be expected to decide what they want ‘their’ police to do. Someone who lives in an inner city blighted by drugs, violence, sex trafficking etc. will have a different perspective than someone in a rural area putting up with fly tipping, road rage cyclists and their tractor being stolen.
Most don’t even know what the police actually do. Hell, the police are so confused about their identity, they don’t know what they are supposed to be doing!"
Actually if the opinions of local communities were sought and we somehow (fuck knows how) got back to a position where we actually had boots on the ground and police stations that were open and manned, then those different perspectives and needs could be catered for.
Yes, out here in the sticks we have fly tipping and drink driving issues. Just up and down the road in the nearest large towns there are major drug issues and the burglaries that go hand in hand with them. Then a mere odd miles away in each direction there are the common city problems you describe.
But the police used to focus on local needs and local issues. They can't do that any more because like many public services such as the NHS they've endured financial cut backs and underfunding, piss poor leadership and management and a lack of support from the public based on social media and press hounding of individuals who don't deserve it. Yes there are some proper nasty cunts in the force. But there are in all walks of life, all the way up to the houses of parliament.
Don't tar all with the same brush.
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By *ister CMan
over a year ago
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"The police can't win. Get moaned at for not being visible enough on the streets to deter crime then criticised for not focusing enough on solving online crimes.
Oh they don't have to win hunny... just be seen to be competent
Not much to ask.
You know... dont Rpe and murder citizens... dont pass on information to drug dealers so they can take out competition... dont use a matrix team to bust the wrong house and accidently kill the 82 year old man in front of his wife... maybe don't get caught wanking outside a school in a squad car... or use your position with vulnerable women to impregnate 2 and threaten more with disclosing their details to former partners...
Sort simple things...
Bit patronising ain't ya.....hunny
Name me any profession where checks sufficiently ensure your whole workforce is free from corruption and wrong doing. I'll wait.
Does it make those things ok,? Of course not. There needs to be tougher consequences for those found not upholding standards and decency.
None of those things you listed related to what the report was about or what I raised though. Clearly you have an ACAB agenda you want to push though. "
Its don't think am talking about checks in that post am I?
Irrespaective that's litterally one mechanism, pre checks. Or applying the findings of these checks...
Another would be anonymous whistle blowers. But... the police have the 2nd lowest rate of this activity from all public services... weird eh.
Do your own research on the questions you asked... you are no absolved simple as you pose a question lol. I'll wait.
I do like how you brush over the serious nature of the issues cited with the ultimate no shit sherlock statement... 'There needs to be tougher consequences for those found not upholding standards and decency.'
We're talking police... ill remember to stick to your definition of the narrow scope of the post... I assume others must too...
Also no agenda here... so not that clear after all hey doll |
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"Hell, the police are so confused about their identity, they don’t know what they are supposed to be doing!
This was the bit that a Royal Commission was supposed to decide.
Gbat "
But nobody knows what it should be anymore! Policing has become the fallback position for failing social services. It's no good just formalising that. |
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"The force is a corporation. Not there for the people anymore just there to make money.
There is no "The Force"
In Scotland, there is a single Police Force.
In Northern Ireland there is a single Police Force.
In Wales there are 4 separate Police Forces.
In England there are 39 separate Police Forces.
On top of that there are 3 Specialist PoliceForces (Transport, Nuclear, MoD).
And then the National Crime Agency.
They don't even have the same uniforms and same set procedures. In some parts of the UK, they don't even follow the same laws.
So when you see an appalling news report about a copper in London that murders someone, it's a bit rich to blame a copper in Barry, who doesn't even work for the same organisation.
It's like blaming your local hospital for the Alder Hey scandal, even though your local hospital has no connection with Alder Hey in any shape or form other than they are both hospitals.
If as people have suggested, the whole of UK policing is corrupted beyond repair, then you'd better get your thinking caps on and sort out something new or you are all fucked. I don't want to be in the UK in the period when you sack the whole current lot and then train up the new ones. Carnage!
Interestingly, The Police Federation of England and Wales has repeatedly asked for a Royal Commission into Policing so that people can finally decide on what it is you want YOUR police to do.
Gbat
It’s a nice concept but the public can’t be expected to decide what they want ‘their’ police to do. Someone who lives in an inner city blighted by drugs, violence, sex trafficking etc. will have a different perspective than someone in a rural area putting up with fly tipping, road rage cyclists and their tractor being stolen.
Most don’t even know what the police actually do. Hell, the police are so confused about their identity, they don’t know what they are supposed to be doing!
Actually if the opinions of local communities were sought and we somehow (fuck knows how) got back to a position where we actually had boots on the ground and police stations that were open and manned, then those different perspectives and needs could be catered for.
Yes, out here in the sticks we have fly tipping and drink driving issues. Just up and down the road in the nearest large towns there are major drug issues and the burglaries that go hand in hand with them. Then a mere odd miles away in each direction there are the common city problems you describe.
But the police used to focus on local needs and local issues. They can't do that any more because like many public services such as the NHS they've endured financial cut backs and underfunding, piss poor leadership and management and a lack of support from the public based on social media and press hounding of individuals who don't deserve it. Yes there are some proper nasty cunts in the force. But there are in all walks of life, all the way up to the houses of parliament.
Don't tar all with the same brush.
A"
You covered it in your opening sentence..'fuck knows how?' |
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I aprehended a shoplifter outside my local Co-Op a couple of months ago. I only did it because I thought her was assaulting a female member of staff. He was d*unk and it was 9am. I kept him there until the police arrived but they were reluctant to do so.
It turned out this man had spent the week walking in and taking booze without paying. Bold as brass without a care for consequences, until one member of staff decided to stop him. He had been reported to the police by the manager and was he told not to try and stop him, but police would not attend or were even interested in the CCTV. The reason the police did turn up was a possibility of an assault, on him perpetrated by me. Thankfully I know what I am doing so no further action. He was given a lift home. After watching something on TV recently I learnt that police are no longer prosecuting shoplifters for any theft to the value of less than £200 and this is becoming a big problem for small retailers. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"The force is a corporation. Not there for the people anymore just there to make money.
There is no "The Force"
In Scotland, there is a single Police Force.
In Northern Ireland there is a single Police Force.
In Wales there are 4 separate Police Forces.
In England there are 39 separate Police Forces.
On top of that there are 3 Specialist PoliceForces (Transport, Nuclear, MoD).
And then the National Crime Agency.
They don't even have the same uniforms and same set procedures. In some parts of the UK, they don't even follow the same laws.
So when you see an appalling news report about a copper in London that murders someone, it's a bit rich to blame a copper in Barry, who doesn't even work for the same organisation.
It's like blaming your local hospital for the Alder Hey scandal, even though your local hospital has no connection with Alder Hey in any shape or form other than they are both hospitals.
If as people have suggested, the whole of UK policing is corrupted beyond repair, then you'd better get your thinking caps on and sort out something new or you are all fucked. I don't want to be in the UK in the period when you sack the whole current lot and then train up the new ones. Carnage!
Interestingly, The Police Federation of England and Wales has repeatedly asked for a Royal Commission into Policing so that people can finally decide on what it is you want YOUR police to do.
Gbat
It’s a nice concept but the public can’t be expected to decide what they want ‘their’ police to do. Someone who lives in an inner city blighted by drugs, violence, sex trafficking etc. will have a different perspective than someone in a rural area putting up with fly tipping, road rage cyclists and their tractor being stolen.
Most don’t even know what the police actually do. Hell, the police are so confused about their identity, they don’t know what they are supposed to be doing!
Actually if the opinions of local communities were sought and we somehow (fuck knows how) got back to a position where we actually had boots on the ground and police stations that were open and manned, then those different perspectives and needs could be catered for.
Yes, out here in the sticks we have fly tipping and drink driving issues. Just up and down the road in the nearest large towns there are major drug issues and the burglaries that go hand in hand with them. Then a mere odd miles away in each direction there are the common city problems you describe.
But the police used to focus on local needs and local issues. They can't do that any more because like many public services such as the NHS they've endured financial cut backs and underfunding, piss poor leadership and management and a lack of support from the public based on social media and press hounding of individuals who don't deserve it. Yes there are some proper nasty cunts in the force. But there are in all walks of life, all the way up to the houses of parliament.
Don't tar all with the same brush.
A
You covered it in your opening sentence..'fuck knows how?'"
Increased funding and a focus on localised policing rather than a one sized fits all model would be a start.
Get shot of the middle management. Scrap the ridiculous recruitment procedures (I know long serving officers who have failed the current online assessments when taking them anonymously), the insane new 'Detective' program based on a 2:1 degree pass rather than life experience and common sense, reopen the closed local stations and put more boots on the ground. Simple. It all comes down to funding and spending in the right places.
I see people daily bemoaning traffic cops on motorways as cash generators who should be out nicking burglars, as if there weren't specialist divisions of the police who pursue different crimes and all police were just 'police' without specific roles.
Without adequate funding and leadership there's no hope. Wouldn't surprise me if at some point soon we see the Tories suggesting privatising the police as they do in the USA and outsourcing it to G4S or whoever is their current biggest donor.......
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"I aprehended a shoplifter outside my local Co-Op a couple of months ago. I only did it because I thought her was assaulting a female member of staff. He was d*unk and it was 9am. I kept him there until the police arrived but they were reluctant to do so.
It turned out this man had spent the week walking in and taking booze without paying. Bold as brass without a care for consequences, until one member of staff decided to stop him. He had been reported to the police by the manager and was he told not to try and stop him, but police would not attend or were even interested in the CCTV. The reason the police did turn up was a possibility of an assault, on him perpetrated by me. Thankfully I know what I am doing so no further action. He was given a lift home. After watching something on TV recently I learnt that police are no longer prosecuting shoplifters for any theft to the value of less than £200 and this is becoming a big problem for small retailers."
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"I aprehended a shoplifter outside my local Co-Op a couple of months ago. I only did it because I thought her was assaulting a female member of staff. He was d*unk and it was 9am. I kept him there until the police arrived but they were reluctant to do so.
It turned out this man had spent the week walking in and taking booze without paying. Bold as brass without a care for consequences, until one member of staff decided to stop him. He had been reported to the police by the manager and was he told not to try and stop him, but police would not attend or were even interested in the CCTV. The reason the police did turn up was a possibility of an assault, on him perpetrated by me. Thankfully I know what I am doing so no further action. He was given a lift home. After watching something on TV recently I learnt that police are no longer prosecuting shoplifters for any theft to the value of less than £200 and this is becoming a big problem for small retailers.
Yep, as long as the shoplifter keeps the goods value below £200, they need have no fear."
What?! So everyone can pop to Tesco’s and get £195 worth of shopping and walk out and nobody will do anything about it. Yeah right. |
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"I aprehended a shoplifter outside my local Co-Op a couple of months ago. I only did it because I thought her was assaulting a female member of staff. He was d*unk and it was 9am. I kept him there until the police arrived but they were reluctant to do so.
It turned out this man had spent the week walking in and taking booze without paying. Bold as brass without a care for consequences, until one member of staff decided to stop him. He had been reported to the police by the manager and was he told not to try and stop him, but police would not attend or were even interested in the CCTV. The reason the police did turn up was a possibility of an assault, on him perpetrated by me. Thankfully I know what I am doing so no further action. He was given a lift home. After watching something on TV recently I learnt that police are no longer prosecuting shoplifters for any theft to the value of less than £200 and this is becoming a big problem for small retailers.
Yep, as long as the shoplifter keeps the goods value below £200, they need have no fear.
What?! So everyone can pop to Tesco’s and get £195 worth of shopping and walk out and nobody will do anything about it. Yeah right. "
Pretty much (depending on local procedures). You will only get away with it so many times and their are a raft of 'local resolutions', and of course shops will ban you, and then councils will ban you from shopping areas, but you will have got £1000's in free stuff by then, and of course you have to get caught. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"I aprehended a shoplifter outside my local Co-Op a couple of months ago. I only did it because I thought her was assaulting a female member of staff. He was d*unk and it was 9am. I kept him there until the police arrived but they were reluctant to do so.
It turned out this man had spent the week walking in and taking booze without paying. Bold as brass without a care for consequences, until one member of staff decided to stop him. He had been reported to the police by the manager and was he told not to try and stop him, but police would not attend or were even interested in the CCTV. The reason the police did turn up was a possibility of an assault, on him perpetrated by me. Thankfully I know what I am doing so no further action. He was given a lift home. After watching something on TV recently I learnt that police are no longer prosecuting shoplifters for any theft to the value of less than £200 and this is becoming a big problem for small retailers.
Yep, as long as the shoplifter keeps the goods value below £200, they need have no fear.
What?! So everyone can pop to Tesco’s and get £195 worth of shopping and walk out and nobody will do anything about it. Yeah right. "
It's not as clearcut as that. I think it's more that the police aren't attending, not that they aren't prosecuting.
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"The police can't win. Get moaned at for not being visible enough on the streets to deter crime then criticised for not focusing enough on solving online crimes."
Thankless job |
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"The police can't win. Get moaned at for not being visible enough on the streets to deter crime then criticised for not focusing enough on solving online crimes.
Thankless job "
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"Move to Shetland, haven't been burgled in 54 years of living here and I don't even lock the door when I go out, or lock the car when it's outside the house. The only thing the police have to do is bust drug users and break up d*unken fights.
Drugs on the island ?
Are you that naive or just stupid?
How?"
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