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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful." Wow! That’s kinda ultra-dismissive! Are there no musicians out there these days worth listening to for you? | |||
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"Black Lace." Fuck me: see what you mean! Bloody horrific!! | |||
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"Black Lace. Fuck me: see what you mean! Bloody horrific!! " Agadoo? | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful. Wow! That’s kinda ultra-dismissive! Are there no musicians out there these days worth listening to for you? " As far as the mainstream, nothing. I'm well into Thee Osees at the moment though. | |||
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"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! " couldn't agree more with you | |||
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"Water boys The moon or something like that Utter @@@@ They have never made a decent tune Total scam artists in the music industry Shocking Should be investigated and brought to the courts " Bit harsh, they wrote and recorded 'How long will I love you' which was covered by Ellie Goulding and everyone fucking loved it. | |||
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"Water boys The moon or something like that Utter @@@@ They have never made a decent tune Total scam artists in the music industry Shocking Should be investigated and brought to the courts Bit harsh, they wrote and recorded 'How long will I love you' which was covered by Ellie Goulding and everyone fucking loved it. " Everyone? Charlie you obviously loved it but can you show me where you get your data from about every one loving it please | |||
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"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! " Agreed!! | |||
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"George Ezra" I am with you on that, I can't stand him. Closely followed by Sam Smith... | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful." I would have to agree with this as most music is manufactured in a studio rather than there being any real talent. Going back slightly if you ever heard Madonna sing without any enhancement the noise was truly awful. | |||
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"George Ezra" God yes!!! That green grass song | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful." There are some amazing acts around. Like always though, you'll find the best away from the charts. | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful. I would have to agree with this as most music is manufactured in a studio rather than there being any real talent. Going back slightly if you ever heard Madonna sing without any enhancement the noise was truly awful." Most music is manufactured in a studio. Every band uses a producer to tweak things and make it all sound better | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful. There are some amazing acts around. Like always though, you'll find the best away from the charts. " This Honestly there are a lot of people making some fabulous music right now amd it amazes me how many people of my generation dismiss it based on whst is in the charts | |||
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"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! " First 2 albums were good. After that it's diminishing returns. | |||
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"Its an intriguing question as its nigh on impossible for a 'talentless fraud' to be successful to a level where people have heard of them. The most glaring attempt being the infamous Milli Vanilli debacle. However, there are ones that do sneak through occasionally so I'll nominate the band Dogstar who I saw at Glastonbury in 1999 and their USP was their bassist was Keanu Reeves. So initially the crowd was up for them. But they played 40 mins of the most out of key, tuneless sub-grunge that they ended up getting bottled off. They just could not play. " I was actually there in the audience only went to see how awful Keane Reeves was going to be….. And he didn’t disappoint….. If I remember correctly they didn’t last five minutes before they had over ripe fruit thrown at them rather than bottles….. | |||
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"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! couldn't agree more with you " Another vote for Noasis, but can I choose a slightly smoother fruit - jackfruit maybe ? | |||
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"The Gallaghers, pish " | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful. I would have to agree with this as most music is manufactured in a studio rather than there being any real talent. Going back slightly if you ever heard Madonna sing without any enhancement the noise was truly awful. Most music is manufactured in a studio. Every band uses a producer to tweak things and make it all sound better" There's tweaking and then there's manufacturing. | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. " Noooo! The Smiths were as much about Johnny Marr's musicianship as they were Morrissey. | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. Noooo! The Smiths were as much about Johnny Marr's musicianship as they were Morrissey. " Love Marr, but when I talk about The Smiths to younger colleagues at work, it’s Morrissey they remember or attribute to their success not Marr. | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful. I would have to agree with this as most music is manufactured in a studio rather than there being any real talent. Going back slightly if you ever heard Madonna sing without any enhancement the noise was truly awful. Most music is manufactured in a studio. Every band uses a producer to tweak things and make it all sound better There's tweaking and then there's manufacturing." Ever since multitrack recording was developed in the 1940’s most recorded music is manufactured…. As each individual instrument is laid separately and then the piece is built up in to a whole….. This has not changed but there are now just more tools and technology available to the producers, engineers and more importantly the artists…. So yes studio recorded music is manufactured by definition. | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. Noooo! The Smiths were as much about Johnny Marr's musicianship as they were Morrissey. Love Marr, but when I talk about The Smiths to younger colleagues at work, it’s Morrissey they remember or attribute to their success not Marr. " Oh i definitely understand thst, I was guilty of it myself back in the day. I still listen to The Smiths because of Marr, much of Morrisseys recorded output was dire long before he went full gammon on us all | |||
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"Water boys The moon or something like that Utter @@@@ They have never made a decent tune Total scam artists in the music industry Shocking Should be investigated and brought to the courts Bit harsh, they wrote and recorded 'How long will I love you' which was covered by Ellie Goulding and everyone fucking loved it. Everyone? Charlie you obviously loved it but can you show me where you get your data from about every one loving it please " Well I'm no Ellie Goulding fan but... If you go on YouTube the official video of her singing that song has 111 million views. The next most popular clip of it has 30 million views, and the next one which is at the BBC has 2.7 million views. The song got to number 3 in the charts and sold 1.28 million copies. I just went on YouTube and Google quickly to get these figures but it seems a pretty popular song to me. | |||
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"John Mayer - totally overrated. " But look at the women he has fucked! Legend! | |||
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"Some will call this heresy but I have to say Bob Dylan (the Mrs will kill me for this ) While one of the greatest songwriters of his generation, as a performer he is bloody awful. Saw him live a few years ago when he toured with Mark Knofler (who was nearly as bad) Never again." Yes... Dylan closely followed by Bowie and Springsteen, not forgetting Hendrix as well | |||
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"Its an intriguing question as its nigh on impossible for a 'talentless fraud' to be successful to a level where people have heard of them. The most glaring attempt being the infamous Milli Vanilli debacle. However, there are ones that do sneak through occasionally so I'll nominate the band Dogstar who I saw at Glastonbury in 1999 and their USP was their bassist was Keanu Reeves. So initially the crowd was up for them. But they played 40 mins of the most out of key, tuneless sub-grunge that they ended up getting bottled off. They just could not play. I was actually there in the audience only went to see how awful Keane Reeves was going to be….. And he didn’t disappoint….. If I remember correctly they didn’t last five minutes before they had over ripe fruit thrown at them rather than bottles….. " No they did last about 35 to 40 mins before the deluge of debris started raining on to the stage. A well aimed orange bass Reeves's bass make a loud THUNK and he just signalled to hos mates enough was enough. The crowd was well uo for them. If they's played some songs - even covers - they'd have been fine. But it sounded like teenagers in a garage on Boxing Day having got their instruments for Xmas! But as you say... ir was awful! | |||
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"Its an intriguing question as its nigh on impossible for a 'talentless fraud' to be successful to a level where people have heard of them. The most glaring attempt being the infamous Milli Vanilli debacle. However, there are ones that do sneak through occasionally so I'll nominate the band Dogstar who I saw at Glastonbury in 1999 and their USP was their bassist was Keanu Reeves. So initially the crowd was up for them. But they played 40 mins of the most out of key, tuneless sub-grunge that they ended up getting bottled off. They just could not play. I was actually there in the audience only went to see how awful Keane Reeves was going to be….. And he didn’t disappoint….. If I remember correctly they didn’t last five minutes before they had over ripe fruit thrown at them rather than bottles….. No they did last about 35 to 40 mins before the deluge of debris started raining on to the stage. A well aimed orange bass Reeves's bass make a loud THUNK and he just signalled to hos mates enough was enough. The crowd was well uo for them. If they's played some songs - even covers - they'd have been fine. But it sounded like teenagers in a garage on Boxing Day having got their instruments for Xmas! But as you say... ir was awful!" To many festivals and lost weekends since then so the 5 mins I remember was probably 35 mins…. But it was still awful enough to remember over 20 years later …. And I’ve seen some bad shows over those years. That orange was a cracking shot though…. The best thing of the whole performance….. | |||
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"George Ezra" You beat me to it. The guy always sounds like he's singing with a cold or a mouthful of pastry. | |||
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"Coldplay have outlived their usefulness and need to be put down." Couldn’t agree more, absolute shite!! | |||
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"Coldplay have outlived their usefulness and need to be put down. Couldn’t agree more, absolute shite!!" Coldplay a beige band for beige people. | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful." Obviously you're not into music. | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. Noooo! The Smiths were as much about Johnny Marr's musicianship as they were Morrissey. Love Marr, but when I talk about The Smiths to younger colleagues at work, it’s Morrissey they remember or attribute to their success not Marr. Oh i definitely understand thst, I was guilty of it myself back in the day. I still listen to The Smiths because of Marr, much of Morrisseys recorded output was dire long before he went full gammon on us all" Oh for fuck sake. | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. Noooo! The Smiths were as much about Johnny Marr's musicianship as they were Morrissey. Love Marr, but when I talk about The Smiths to younger colleagues at work, it’s Morrissey they remember or attribute to their success not Marr. Oh i definitely understand thst, I was guilty of it myself back in the day. I still listen to The Smiths because of Marr, much of Morrisseys recorded output was dire long before he went full gammon on us all Oh for fuck sake. " I don’t understand? | |||
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"Coldplay have outlived their usefulness and need to be put down. Couldn’t agree more, absolute shite!! Coldplay a beige band for beige people." Music for people who don't like music. | |||
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"The Edgar Winter Group. Absolutely fucking abysmal. Never been so dissapointed in an album in all my life. Winston " OMG! A bunch of white loons pretending to out-do James Brown! Trash indeed! They should have stuck with performing down back alleys! | |||
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"John Mayer - totally overrated. But look at the women he has fucked! Legend! " Ha! When the “greatness” of a musician is judged by the quantity and quality of the pussies his cock has spent the night inside! | |||
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"As a musician myself, I find it hard to criticise anyone who is out there doing their art. They might not all be to my taste, but they've all got a talent. Cal" I can only concur with this very correct statement. Of course people are free to respond however they wish but I have to say it is acutely obvious from the majority of comments above that most people are mistaking acts they simply do not enjoy (again their absolute prerogative not to) with actual lack of talent. They are two completely separate things. Hey I too cannot stand Coldplay nor U2, just to cite two examples chosen at random, but suggest either act is 'talentless' is simply incorrect. These are highly talented musicians, composers, creators and entertainers. Such is the cut-throat 'dog eat dog' world of the music industry it is nigh on impossible for someone talentless to exist as professionals. Whether you like them though is a whole other question... one the OP is not actually asking. PS - the person who suggested Dogstar is bang on! Keanu Reeves was wise to sticking to acting. Now he is a shite musician! | |||
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"Its an intriguing question as its nigh on impossible for a 'talentless fraud' to be successful to a level where people have heard of them. The most glaring attempt being the infamous Milli Vanilli debacle. However, there are ones that do sneak through occasionally so I'll nominate the band Dogstar who I saw at Glastonbury in 1999 and their USP was their bassist was Keanu Reeves. So initially the crowd was up for them. But they played 40 mins of the most out of key, tuneless sub-grunge that they ended up getting bottled off. They just could not play. " When Milli Vanilli got caught Sting said there are loads in the music industry who don't really sing on their records. | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. " The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite! | |||
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"Some will call this heresy but I have to say Bob Dylan (the Mrs will kill me for this ) While one of the greatest songwriters of his generation, as a performer he is bloody awful. Saw him live a few years ago when he toured with Mark Knofler (who was nearly as bad) Never again." I agree. Great songwriter, great guitarist, can't sing. | |||
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"Metallica Haha now now before you get the pitch forks out let me explain. I like to think I have a good broad taste in music rock, pop, rnb, classic blag blah But with the hype this band gets, thought I give them a try & couldn't find a single song I actually rated! OK maybe not the worst but Overhyped for sure " I'll take them over RHCP- who are the poor mans Jane's Addiction | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful. I would have to agree with this as most music is manufactured in a studio rather than there being any real talent. Going back slightly if you ever heard Madonna sing without any enhancement the noise was truly awful. Most music is manufactured in a studio. Every band uses a producer to tweak things and make it all sound better There's tweaking and then there's manufacturing. Ever since multitrack recording was developed in the 1940’s most recorded music is manufactured…. As each individual instrument is laid separately and then the piece is built up in to a whole….. This has not changed but there are now just more tools and technology available to the producers, engineers and more importantly the artists…. So yes studio recorded music is manufactured by definition. " Again no...laying a track down is one thing...totally altering the sound so its nothing like whats been played or sung is manufacturing. Live performances were where you heard great music and still do at smaller venues. Sadly lip synching and click tracks are now used by some less honest bands so again it's basically a manufactured sound rather than raw talent. | |||
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"Metallica Haha now now before you get the pitch forks out let me explain. I like to think I have a good broad taste in music rock, pop, rnb, classic blag blah But with the hype this band gets, thought I give them a try & couldn't find a single song I actually rated! OK maybe not the worst but Overhyped for sure I'll take them over RHCP- who are the poor mans Jane's Addiction " How did we get this far before someone mentioned RHCP, my god they are awful | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite!" The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite! The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing " That’s enough internet for today, how dare you insult the smiths | |||
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"Music is totally subjective so you will never get total agreement, I think people who say things like “you don’t like music” because you don’t adhere to their personal taste are the ones out of touch. I personally like rock music, new wave/punk, some other labels but I dislike Rap, Hip hop, reggae, dance, doesn’t mean it’s bad, I just don’t like it. Many others do. " Well said | |||
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"Music is totally subjective so you will never get total agreement, I think people who say things like “you don’t like music” because you don’t adhere to their personal taste are the ones out of touch. I personally like rock music, new wave/punk, some other labels but I dislike Rap, Hip hop, reggae, dance, doesn’t mean it’s bad, I just don’t like it. Many others do. " Agreed | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite! The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing That’s enough internet for today, how dare you insult the smiths " Aside from Morrissey being a horrible prick, the music was dull. | |||
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"Coldplay - just don’t get the hype and Chris Martin cannot hold a tune!! Nicki Minaj - 3 hours of my life I’ll never get back taking my daughter to see her!!" Coldplay are music for people who don't like music. | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite! The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing That’s enough internet for today, how dare you insult the smiths Aside from Morrissey being a horrible prick, the music was dull. " Yawn | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite! The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing That’s enough internet for today, how dare you insult the smiths Aside from Morrissey being a horrible prick, the music was dull. Yawn " Very much my reaction to their music too. | |||
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"The Chumbawumba band !" They get knocked down, but they get up again. I'll give 'em that | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite! The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing " They weren't depressing though. The lyrics were actually quite funny at times. | |||
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"The Chumbawumba band !" Shite politically but have you heard much more than tubthumping? | |||
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"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! " Spot on! | |||
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"James Arthur is one and as for Coldplay utter garbage " Hate Coldplay but I love JA's song Ashes Everywhere | |||
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"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! " Tbh, I wouldn't mind doing both! | |||
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"Wagner from X Factor !" Fuck me they must have been hard up for people to put through to the next round! He murdered ‘O Sole Mio’ fair and square! I wouldn’t have put him through! Awful voice - a kind of nervous sheep bleat! He holds vast tension in his shoulders so he can’t sing properly anyway - and he goes way off from the backing track! I mean, he’s not the worst the show has seen by a long way but, grief, there’s not much hope of him being the second Pavarotti! | |||
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"The Chumbawumba band ! Shite politically but have you heard much more than tubthumping?" Anarchy is a great album. | |||
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"The Chumbawumba band ! Shite politically but have you heard much more than tubthumping? " Really? Spot-on politically. But have you not heard 'Add me'? The whole album is brilliant. | |||
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"Oasis - I'd rather roger myself with the spiky end of a pineapple than listen to that droning whiney-voiced c*nt! " Absolutely agree, they have just one tone and very little stage presence. I’ve heard and seen better at karaoke | |||
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"The Cure I never got the hype . " i used to be in a goth rock band we were called "the prevention " only played a few gigs but many said we were better than the cure | |||
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"Never understood why ‘The Smiths’ are regarded so highly. Apart from the song ‘How soon is now’ I think most of their output is about the singer rather than the songs. Now that he’s turned out to be a tosser, I’m now convinced I was right about them all along. Give me James or New Order over a miserable music, that thinks it’s special. The Smiths were brilliant, New Order were overrated shite! The Smiths were quite awfull so bloody depressing They weren't depressing though. The lyrics were actually quite funny at times. " Unlike Morrisey, who has all the charm of a turd sandwich. Despite being unable to sell out the smallest of arena setups (his ego wouldn’t let him downsize to the more sensible academy size venues), he dictated that nobody in the venue should eat meat and banned it from sale at the food stalls- the crew were also banned (we always brought in pasties as a fuck you that day). Mate of mine was on back stage security for one show , he was ordered to face the wall whenever Moz-twat came in or out… who then complained that he didn’t open the door for the little turd, to which my mate replied ‘couldn’t see him- was too busy counting bricks in the wall as ordered’ | |||
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"The Cure I never got the hype . " Pictures of you can hold it’s own against anything The Beatles put out…and as far as I know, Bob Smith is the only person to play TOTP twice on the same night, as a member of two different bands (bass for Siouxsie and the Banshees then a little later as guitar/vocals for The Cure) | |||
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"Coldplay Abba Queen U2 Most over-rated bands of all time. Honourable mention goes to Mumford and Sons, who should never progressed from singing in church. " Agree. Although I do like Queen, but not as much as most people seem to. Mumford and Sons are woeful. | |||
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"Coldplay Abba Queen U2 Most over-rated bands of all time. Honourable mention goes to Mumford and Sons, who should never progressed from singing in church. " Wow, if you don't like them, who DO you like? | |||
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"Toyah Willcox, absolutley terrible live!" Those videos her and her husband post every week on youtube are something else | |||
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"Magnum" I was mates with one of them on Brum but it was so awkward that I didn't like them | |||
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"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent. " Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years | |||
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"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent. Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years" I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive | |||
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"Dare I suggest the infamous Dame Florence Foster Jenkins? And yes, the film is great but she was for real! The actual recordings of her testify to her absolutely unfathomable ability to sing badly! " I have an LP of hers, which was released in the late 60s. The strange thing is, she believed she was a really good opera singer! She died happy at the age of 76, still believing, bless her. | |||
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"Toyah Willcox, absolutley terrible live! Those videos her and her husband post every week on youtube are something else " Especially when you get the occasional nip slip! | |||
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"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent. Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive " And i'm pretty sure I and many others would still be avoiding it like the plague! | |||
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"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent. Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive And i'm pretty sure I and many others would still be avoiding it like the plague!" Bohemian Rhapsody ends up in the top X songs of all time pretty frequently. Brian May is in all the top 10/20 greatest guitarists of all time and Freddie's voice was brilliant. I understand you might not like the songs but to suggest they have/had no talent is a stretch. My son listens to a lot of stuff I don't like but in the majority of cases, I can recognise there's talent behind what I'm hearing. | |||
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"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent. Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive And i'm pretty sure I and many others would still be avoiding it like the plague! Bohemian Rhapsody ends up in the top X songs of all time pretty frequently. Brian May is in all the top 10/20 greatest guitarists of all time and Freddie's voice was brilliant. I understand you might not like the songs but to suggest they have/had no talent is a stretch. My son listens to a lot of stuff I don't like but in the majority of cases, I can recognise there's talent behind what I'm hearing. " Where did i say 'no talent'? i said dull, cliché, parody...you're just making stuff up now | |||
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"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent. Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive And i'm pretty sure I and many others would still be avoiding it like the plague! Bohemian Rhapsody ends up in the top X songs of all time pretty frequently. Brian May is in all the top 10/20 greatest guitarists of all time and Freddie's voice was brilliant. I understand you might not like the songs but to suggest they have/had no talent is a stretch. My son listens to a lot of stuff I don't like but in the majority of cases, I can recognise there's talent behind what I'm hearing. Where did i say 'no talent'? i said dull, cliché, parody...you're just making stuff up now " The thread is about the worst musician or band. Never mind... | |||
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"Dare I suggest the infamous Dame Florence Foster Jenkins? And yes, the film is great but she was for real! The actual recordings of her testify to her absolutely unfathomable ability to sing badly! I have an LP of hers, which was released in the late 60s. The strange thing is, she believed she was a really good opera singer! She died happy at the age of 76, still believing, bless her." Absolutely! I have the same recording on cassette tape! With her suffering accompanist, Cosme McMoon! | |||
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"I don't know how anyone can claim Queen didn't/don't have talent. Dull cliché rock, almost a parody of everything bad about the genre. See lots of references to their live shows, rarely see anyone post about them in the top 5 albums/songs sort of lists- so it’s all about the ‘live’ performance…something Mr Mercury has been lacking for over 30 years I'm sure Mr Mercury would still be writing and recording music now, if he were alive And i'm pretty sure I and many others would still be avoiding it like the plague! Bohemian Rhapsody ends up in the top X songs of all time pretty frequently. Brian May is in all the top 10/20 greatest guitarists of all time and Freddie's voice was brilliant. I understand you might not like the songs but to suggest they have/had no talent is a stretch. My son listens to a lot of stuff I don't like but in the majority of cases, I can recognise there's talent behind what I'm hearing. Where did i say 'no talent'? i said dull, cliché, parody...you're just making stuff up now " Can we ditch the word ‘talent’? It makes me puke! | |||
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"Oasis Coldplay George Ezra " Surely can't be worst.. one of the greatest bands ever there | |||
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"The second most over rated band in history, in my opinion is Oasis. The most over rated band being The Beatles. " Surely not... | |||
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"Absolutely mate... in my opinion. " That's why opinion makes conversations.. who's your top 3? | |||
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"Queen, Madness, meatloaf... in no particular order. Nobody can argue because everyone has their own opinion don't they. It wouldn't do for us all to like the same things." No arguments that's a pretty decent 3 to be fair | |||
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"I can listen to most stuff, but I always turn the radio down when either of those 2 are playing... I do think John lennon was brilliant though. " | |||
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"Interesting comments - oh dear, ‘talent’ - that old chestnut. I deliberately avoided it in the thread heading. In fact, it’s a word I simply never use because I believe it simply doesn’t exist. People become good musicians through good training and dedicated practice. Then they might be noticed and someone who can enables them to have a prominent career as a performer. That’s all! Anyone can do it! This ‘talent’ concept is total BS! It’s the nearest thing a secular society comes to describing a ‘mysterious gift from God’, the alternative description of ‘talent’ which was bandies around in my childhood! No, I fucking practice hard and have a good teacher! Fuck sake! If Bach hadn’t practised hard and studied with Buxtehude, no-one would have ever heard of him and if he’d composed anything it would have been shite! This thread is not about the talented or untalented. It’s about those con artists who are for some baffling reason have a career when their level of musicianship clearly doesn’t warrant it! " I understand what you are saying about mediocre musicians who have hidden away and the angle you are trying to come from so I of totally respect that. But to suggest 'talent' does not exist is ludicrous. Its like trying to argue love doesn't exist. Where it comes from, how it manifests and how the hell you measure I completely agree is a non-starter. I'm certain its not 'God given' as I've been a pro musician since I was 18 and have played and worked with many talented people and often the most talented are among the repugnant and horrible twats I've had the misfortune of meeting. It's not divine! Again you are correct it is possible to spend hours and hours honing your skill at playing your chosen instrument. Practice does not make perfect... but it helps! But as far as creativity goes, the spark or whatever it is that creates those killer melodies or movements or riffs that resonate with so many people. Again the point has to be made that only certain people do get the exposure that lifts them into the public psyche. And that is a whole post unto itself. But there is many examples of these driven, natural songwriting and composing creators that often turn up at band practice or whatever with their latest piece literally finished. Its done. All it needs is recording so millions and millions and millions can hear it too. "Anyone can do it" you say. Yes, to some extent they can. But only to a certain level. Only a select few can do it at a level so far in advance of the 'norm' that they stand out. The same phenomena occurs in literature, art, sport, dare we even say politics. Anyone can run a marathon but I dare suggest that no matter how much training you and I do there is no way we are going to clock 2 Hours 2 Minutes and break the World Record. It takes a unique talent to do that. Ok, you prefer not to call it 'talent' but - whatever name you wish to pin on it - it is most definitely there. And the ones that are heralded as the most 'talented' often (not always, never always) seem to do it the easiest. PS - Great post by the way, fascinating subject! | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful. Obviously you're not into music. " But, that's the problem, I AM into music. Yes, I was generalising, but I was talking about the state of pop music, not all music. A recent study has confirmed that music is starting to sound the same. They studied a shit ton of popular artists, genres, albums etc. and found that it's become simpler over time. It's becoming homogenised. Research carried out by The Medical University of Vienna in Austria studied 15 genres and 374 subgenres. They rated the music's complexity over time using values like timbre and acoustical variation. They then compared that to the genre's sales. They found that in nearly every case, as genres increase in popularity, they also become more generic. Their conclusion was that,"as music becomes increasingly formulaic in terms of instrumentation under increasing sales numbers, due to a tendency to popularize music styles with low variety and musicians with similar skills." I remembered the general points but had to look up the details. There is no room for creativity in pop music any more. It doesn't sell. The stuff that does sell is so bland and generic it may as well be the same song played over and over again. | |||
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"These days I'd say everything and everyone are awful. Obviously you're not into music. But, that's the problem, I AM into music. Yes, I was generalising, but I was talking about the state of pop music, not all music. A recent study has confirmed that music is starting to sound the same. They studied a shit ton of popular artists, genres, albums etc. and found that it's become simpler over time. It's becoming homogenised. Research carried out by The Medical University of Vienna in Austria studied 15 genres and 374 subgenres. They rated the music's complexity over time using values like timbre and acoustical variation. They then compared that to the genre's sales. They found that in nearly every case, as genres increase in popularity, they also become more generic. Their conclusion was that,"as music becomes increasingly formulaic in terms of instrumentation under increasing sales numbers, due to a tendency to popularize music styles with low variety and musicians with similar skills." I remembered the general points but had to look up the details. There is no room for creativity in pop music any more. It doesn't sell. The stuff that does sell is so bland and generic it may as well be the same song played over and over again." Was that the medical or musical university.? Either way it's interesting, sort of makes sense. X factor throat singing, melisma and auto tuned voices are the diet. We like easy beige flabby music. | |||
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