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Dr. Jordan Peterson

By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

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By *allySlinkyWoman over a year ago

Leeds

Why was he banned from Twitter ?

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Why was he banned from Twitter ?"

A tweet about Elliott Page I think

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By *MisschiefxTV/TS over a year ago

London

He sounds like Kermit but he's not as wise as Kermit

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Why was he banned from Twitter ?"

He 'misgengered' ellen page i think. Forgive me, i dont know her or his male name

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’d rather poke my own eyes out!

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By *agicM53XMan over a year ago

Orpington

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before? "

I feel you will be getting a lot of hate for just mentioning his name...never been to a lecture of his, but if I had the chance, I probably would. Although I don't agree with many things he says, there are many other things that I do agree with him...

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"I’d rather poke my own eyes out!"

Why so?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why was he banned from Twitter ?

He 'misgengered' ellen page i think. Forgive me, i dont know her or his male name"

It's Elliot now.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Why was he banned from Twitter ?

He 'misgengered' ellen page i think. Forgive me, i dont know her or his male name

It's Elliot now."

Ok thanks for that

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By *oeBeansMan over a year ago

Derby

Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

Im not particularly looking to find anything. I just find what he has to say very inspiring. He talks about far more than just masculinity

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've never been but would take up the chance to watch him. I don't agree with everything he says but he seems to at least give arguments for his views.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

That could be someone else. There was a thread about him the other day. Can’t remember his name.

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By *ang bang bangity bangCouple over a year ago

Sunderland

I find him interesting. Used to like hearing him on podcasts as he always sounded very thoughtful in his views, even if I didn't always agree with them. Then I listened to his book 12 Rules and frankly I just found it grim and depressing.

Lately though he seems to have gone completely off the deep end. From the thoughtful person who used to make reasonable comments to a crazy old man shouting inflammatory comments

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

That could be someone else. There was a thread about him the other day. Can’t remember his name. "

That might be andrew tate hes thinking of.

Believe me, there is zero comparison between the two

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By *ister CMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before? "

Personally I really like him. His lectures all free btw... are illuminating too.

I'll also be there.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

He's just a grifter, saying controversial stuff to get attention and make money.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before? "

I would quite fancy that myself, just seen how much the tickets prices are though!

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"I find him interesting. Used to like hearing him on podcasts as he always sounded very thoughtful in his views, even if I didn't always agree with them. Then I listened to his book 12 Rules and frankly I just found it grim and depressing.

Lately though he seems to have gone completely off the deep end. From the thoughtful person who used to make reasonable comments to a crazy old man shouting inflammatory comments"

It was a tough read admittedly but worth it i thought.

Hes had a difficult few years, he developed a painkiller addiction whilst dealing with his wifes illness, but thankfully seems to be recovering now

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By *iaisonseekerMan over a year ago

Liverpool

He's a provocateur and pretty good at it although I'm not sure all of his views are as intellectually coherent as they are presented.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Personally I really like him. His lectures all free btw... are illuminating too.

I'll also be there.

Not free here! Ffs

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

He supports men so he’ll be hated on herev

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"Why was he banned from Twitter ?

He 'misgengered' ellen page i think. Forgive me, i dont know her or his male name"

You don't know his name and can't be bothered to spend literally five seconds looking it up?

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"He's a provocateur and pretty good at it although I'm not sure all of his views are as intellectually coherent as they are presented."

Hes not a provacateur at all.

His views provoke, but it is not his intention to provoke. As a clinical psychologist, his automatic way is to speak honestly. Naturally these days, that provokes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That was a mad Google search…

Enjoy though.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"He supports men so he’ll be hated on herev"

As a man, I don't hate him - I actually pity him. He's clearly not well, and just lashing out to try and get the attention he's gotten used to.

Just a shame some men can't find themselves better role models than a guy who got famous for being anti-trans and is still at it.

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

"He supports men so he’ll be hated on herev

As a man, I don't hate him - I actually pity him. He's clearly not well, and just lashing out to try and get the attention he's gotten used to.

Just a shame some men can't find themselves better role models than a guy who got famous for being anti-trans and is still at it. "

Fair enough, I think if that’s all you’ve gathered of him you don’t know that much, which means I can’t be mad at an uneducated opinion.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"He supports men so he’ll be hated on herev"

Its been portrayed that way, but to be fair its not necessarily true. Hes become well known through his lectures going on youtube. 80% of YouTube views are young men, ao naturally it has resonated more with young men than any other demographic. But he tries to help all people. Hes a particular advocate of equality of oppirtunity, give all people the same oppirtunity regarless of gender, race etc and then let nature take its course in so far as where people end up, particularly when it comes to occupations

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By *den-Valley-coupleCouple over a year ago

Cumbria

He gone way to religious but he has some great advice for living you're life in a productive way.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"He supports men so he’ll be hated on herev

As a man, I don't hate him - I actually pity him. He's clearly not well, and just lashing out to try and get the attention he's gotten used to.

Just a shame some men can't find themselves better role models than a guy who got famous for being anti-trans and is still at it. "

I think youre reading too many media hit pieces on him rather than spending time listening to the man himself

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

Lately though he seems to have gone completely off the deep end. From the thoughtful person who used to make reasonable comments to a crazy old man shouting inflammatory comments"

I haven't heard things from him lately. but as a person interested in the usual psycho-babble, I rate quite a lot of what he says.

I don't really understand his opposition to feminism but then I wasn't raised to see the patriarchy at every turn.

I rate him as a clinical psychologist but the difference between him and a psychotherapist is the ability to apply the psychological theory and techniques to the individual person and their dysfunctional behaviours.

So reading a list of his 12 rules isn't anything I haven't heard before from a white middle class male Judeo-Christo, double income two parent household perspective.

It's when you fall outside of those parameter, you think he's an obnoxious prick....and I've met plenty of psychiatrists and psychologist who if I didn't think they were prick....I thought they were clueless about how to actually help me.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

That could be someone else. There was a thread about him the other day. Can’t remember his name.

That might be andrew tate hes thinking of.

Believe me, there is zero comparison between the two

That’s the one

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

For anybody unfamilar with him, i would recommend checking out an interview he did with Fredrik Skavlan a couple of years back. Its long but well worth it. Will give you a decent rounded idea of the man

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He supports men so he’ll be hated on herev

As a man, I don't hate him - I actually pity him. He's clearly not well, and just lashing out to try and get the attention he's gotten used to.

Just a shame some men can't find themselves better role models than a guy who got famous for being anti-trans and is still at it.

I think youre reading too many media hit pieces on him rather than spending time listening to the man himself"

What do you mean media hit pieces?

Seems to be random thing everyone's throwing about about everyone

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By *ipvanwinkieMan over a year ago

out of town!

Ah, it’s just good old misogynistic views with a very thin veneer of respectability around it because he’s coated it in psychobabble.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A quick Google search and from what I’ve seen I would have no interest in listening to a word he has to say.

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By *ubal1Man over a year ago

Newry Down

I have watched MANY of his videos on Google Video but frankly I think he is a not of a pain in the ass.

He is an intelligent and educated guy, but he does remind me of the American motivational speakers who formerly attended business conferences, at vast expense, to motivate sales forces and other managers.

Except that he is doing it in the personal psychology market.

Have a look at Doctor Grande's video evaluation of him; Jordan says a lot and yet he also says very little of any real substance, or true value.

He is also irritatingly prescriptive and dogmatic, no matter how his opinions change.

I understand that he has recently found God and is tub-thumping on that issue

I personally would not pay to go to listen to him, but if the lecture was free of charge I would go to see him in the flesh and to hear his latest emphatic diatribe.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"He supports men so he’ll be hated on herev

As a man, I don't hate him - I actually pity him. He's clearly not well, and just lashing out to try and get the attention he's gotten used to.

Just a shame some men can't find themselves better role models than a guy who got famous for being anti-trans and is still at it.

I think youre reading too many media hit pieces on him rather than spending time listening to the man himself

What do you mean media hit pieces?

Seems to be random thing everyone's throwing about about everyone"

What i mean is taking one comment he might make, out of context, and then using it to frame a negative view of him.

All clinical psychologists will say things from time to time that appear 'off colour', thats part of what they are and what they do. But its always honest and said free of undue influence from other factors

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By *iaisonseekerMan over a year ago

Liverpool

"He's a provocateur and pretty good at it although I'm not sure all of his views are as intellectually coherent as they are presented.

Hes not a provacateur at all.

His views provoke, but it is not his intention to provoke. As a clinical psychologist, his automatic way is to speak honestly. Naturally these days, that provokes"

He's definitely a provocateur and quite reactionary at that. He loves a good straw man argument to give him a platform to peddle his theories of human behaviour.

I agree that some of his theories are quite persuasive but, for me at least, they are sometimes undermined by the cheap rhetoric.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"He's a provocateur and pretty good at it although I'm not sure all of his views are as intellectually coherent as they are presented.

Hes not a provacateur at all.

His views provoke, but it is not his intention to provoke. As a clinical psychologist, his automatic way is to speak honestly. Naturally these days, that provokes

He's definitely a provocateur and quite reactionary at that. He loves a good straw man argument to give him a platform to peddle his theories of human behaviour.

I agree that some of his theories are quite persuasive but, for me at least, they are sometimes undermined by the cheap rhetoric."

Fair enough. You sound like youve at least spent some time listening to his stuff so i appreciate the opinion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Once upon a time, he was doing fine participating in debates about culture and society. But at some point, he completely lost it. He has been spouting out some horrible stuff recently.

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By *aliceWoman over a year ago

Birmingham

Nathan J Robinson nailed Peterson and his appeal in the current climate in his article 'The intellectual we deserve'.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"He's just a grifter, saying controversial stuff to get attention and make money. "

I agree with that, and I keep telling my ex-husband the same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

That could be someone else. There was a thread about him the other day. Can’t remember his name. "

Andrew Tate?

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

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By *agicM53XMan over a year ago

Orpington

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

That could be someone else. There was a thread about him the other day. Can’t remember his name.

Andrew Tate?"

Don't say his name !!!

...social media only recently managed to ban him

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He supports men so he’ll be hated on herev

As a man, I don't hate him - I actually pity him. He's clearly not well, and just lashing out to try and get the attention he's gotten used to.

Just a shame some men can't find themselves better role models than a guy who got famous for being anti-trans and is still at it.

I think youre reading too many media hit pieces on him rather than spending time listening to the man himself

What do you mean media hit pieces?

Seems to be random thing everyone's throwing about about everyone

What i mean is taking one comment he might make, out of context, and then using it to frame a negative view of him.

Who is?

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before? "

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit. "

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

That could be someone else. There was a thread about him the other day. Can’t remember his name.

Andrew Tate?

Don't say his name !!!

...social media only recently managed to ban him

What happens if I say his name?

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

That could be someone else. There was a thread about him the other day. Can’t remember his name.

Andrew Tate?

Don't say his name !!!

...social media only recently managed to ban him

What happens if I say his name?

Just don’t say it 3 times!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

That could be someone else. There was a thread about him the other day. Can’t remember his name.

Andrew Tate?

Don't say his name !!!

...social media only recently managed to ban him

What happens if I say his name?

Just don’t say it 3 times!

Who, Andrew Tate?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest. "

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

And the claims of anti trans and misogyny are complete nonsense. He was arguing against the use of pronouns in compelled speech. I believe this related to a law that was about to be passed in Canada. I think his observations about men & women are, for the most part, spot on.

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By *ora the explorerWoman over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

That could be someone else. There was a thread about him the other day. Can’t remember his name.

Andrew Tate?

Don't say his name !!!

...social media only recently managed to ban him

What happens if I say his name?

Just don’t say it 3 times!

Who, Andrew Tate?

. Stop it now!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For anybody unfamilar with him, i would recommend checking out an interview he did with Fredrik Skavlan a couple of years back. Its long but well worth it. Will give you a decent rounded idea of the man"

It's really good to see Dr Peterson back after all of his health issues. I remember listening to his daughter Mika a year or so ago talking about her father struggles, wasn't he was really ill with Covid in Russia if I remember correctly ?, his drug addictions and its incredible to think Dr Peterson was suicidal. But his wife was terminally ill, he's only human and we all have our breaking points, I guess.

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Is he the dude that talks about masculinity? I'm not fully aware of his ideologies or beliefs but hope you can find what you want from it

That could be someone else. There was a thread about him the other day. Can’t remember his name.

Andrew Tate?

Don't say his name !!!

...social media only recently managed to ban him

What happens if I say his name?

Just don’t say it 3 times!

Who, Andrew Tate?

. Stop it now!"

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

I will thank you and I agree, youre spot on about that proposed law in canada and his reaction to it at the time.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

He's getting rich off shit like that.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP"

Thanks very much, appreciate that.

Yeah hes very forthright about how his stable family life abd strong parents were good role models for him. I think its always reinforced his believe in the importance of the traditional nuclear family,now moreso than ever

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

He's getting rich off shit like that.

Have you read it in full?

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By *stbury DavenportMan over a year ago

Nottingham

Another toxic grifter scumbag recruiting incels into the alt-right.

Handy for getting people with problematic beliefs to red-flag themselves, I guess.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"He supports men so he’ll be hated on herev"

I support men, not by hating women.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP

Thanks very much, appreciate that.

Whats a traditional nuclear family?

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP

Thanks very much, appreciate that.

Whats a traditional nuclear family?

Welk at its core, is a 2 parent family

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

He's getting rich off shit like that.

Have you read it in full? "

Misogyny and religion in rule 1. I don’t need to read further.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

He's getting rich off shit like that.

Have you read it in full?

Misogyny and religion in rule 1. I don’t need to read further."

Im not sure where youve picked that up from but youre entitled to your opinion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Another toxic grifter scumbag recruiting incels into the alt-right.

Handy for getting people with problematic beliefs to red-flag themselves, I guess.

I'm an unmarried, middle aged mother of 2, working class background, labour then latterly SNP voter (though they can fuck right off now). Not your typical right winger, I think you'd agree.

The problematic belief part is purely subjective btw.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

He's getting rich off shit like that.

His first rule is "stand up straight with your shoulders back"

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

He's getting rich off shit like that.

His first rule is "stand up straight with your shoulders back" "

Can barely stand, let alone straight

Oh well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Another toxic grifter scumbag recruiting incels into the alt-right.

Handy for getting people with problematic beliefs to red-flag themselves, I guess.

I'm an unmarried, middle aged mother of 2, working class background, labour then latterly SNP voter (though they can fuck right off now). Not your typical right winger, I think you'd agree.

The problematic belief part is purely subjective btw."

....and I get a ride pretty regular so the incel part is wrong too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP

Thanks very much, appreciate that.

Whats a traditional nuclear family?

Welk at its core, is a 2 parent family"

Whats Welk?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

He's getting rich off shit like that.

His first rule is "stand up straight with your shoulders back"

Can barely stand, let alone straight

Oh well

If I put my shoulders back, someone will get black eyes

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

He's getting rich off shit like that.

Have you read it in full? "

Possibly, although I'm not buying his book.

Does he mention females in it at all?

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

My last physiotherapist( a woman) told me ( another woman) I've got a lovely straight upper back.

It's my lower vertebrae that decided to get locked in.

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By *otandHorny40Couple over a year ago

Swansea

Lately though he seems to have gone completely off the deep end. From the thoughtful person who used to make reasonable comments to a crazy old man shouting inflammatory comments"

This is very much my thinking as well, definitely losing the plot and becoming more extreme.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

He's getting rich off shit like that.

His first rule is "stand up straight with your shoulders back" "

Like lobsters with high serotonin do.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP

Thanks very much, appreciate that.

Whats a traditional nuclear family?

Welk at its core, is a 2 parent family

Whats Welk?"

I meant 'well'. Typo

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Looking at his rule 1 tells me a lot about him.

Yeah, that's me failing at life

He's getting rich off shit like that.

Have you read it in full?

Possibly, although I'm not buying his book.

Does he mention females in it at all? "

Yes of course he does. His book about humans, not just men

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP

Thanks very much, appreciate that.

Whats a traditional nuclear family?

Welk at its core, is a 2 parent family

Whats Welk?

I meant 'well'. Typo"

Oh right so how many children or is there a preferable limit?

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

"Ah, it’s just good old misogynistic views with a very thin veneer of respectability around it because he’s coated it in psychobabble. "

but I like psycho-babble...if it weren't for psychobabble...this maverick would be dead.

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By *mp411Man over a year ago

chester

If you listen to Jordan you should really check out Ben shapiro... On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Jordan on his opinions on Justin trudeau

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"Ah, it’s just good old misogynistic views with a very thin veneer of respectability around it because he’s coated it in psychobabble.

but I like psycho-babble...if it weren't for psychobabble...this maverick would be dead."

Do you not prefer things to be clear and concise?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This explains a lot...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you listen to Jordan you should really check out Ben shapiro... On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Jordan on his opinions on Justin trudeau "

And what opinions are those?

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By *obletonMan over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

I think it was when JP argued from a modernist perspective, and used post modernist arguments, to try and argue that post-modernsim was the greatest evil that faced mankind was when I became convinced me that, while he sounded superficially smart, he was actually either as thick as pigshit, a total hypocrite, or just another grifter after your money and not worth listening to.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"If you listen to Jordan you should really check out Ben shapiro... On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Jordan on his opinions on Justin trudeau "

Yes, very much so agree on that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you listen to Jordan you should really check out Ben shapiro... On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Jordan on his opinions on Justin trudeau "

I disagree with Ben Shapiro on loads of things. But I can't help but like him. He makes me howl with his sarcasm and replies to folk trying to be smart.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think it was when JP argued from a modernist perspective, and used post modernist arguments, to try and argue that post-modernsim was the greatest evil that faced mankind was when I became convinced me that, while he sounded superficially smart, he was actually either as thick as pigshit, a total hypocrite, or just another grifter after your money and not worth listening to."

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

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By *ang bang bangity bangCouple over a year ago

Sunderland

Lately though he seems to have gone completely off the deep end. From the thoughtful person who used to make reasonable comments to a crazy old man shouting inflammatory comments

This is very much my thinking as well, definitely losing the plot and becoming more extreme."

I think a low point was when he started ranting about the girl on sports illustrated and making sweeping statements about far girls not being sexy. Making definitive statements about something as subjective as who people find attractive just seemed weird and pointless.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"If you listen to Jordan you should really check out Ben shapiro... On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Jordan on his opinions on Justin trudeau

I disagree with Ben Shapiro on loads of things. But I can't help but like him. He makes me howl with his sarcasm and replies to folk trying to be smart.

Agreed. His pieces on 'woke tik toks' are particularly funny

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you listen to Jordan you should really check out Ben shapiro... On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Jordan on his opinions on Justin trudeau

Yes, very much so agree on that"

Ben Shapiro?

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By *annaBeStrongMan over a year ago

Lately though he seems to have gone completely off the deep end. From the thoughtful person who used to make reasonable comments to a crazy old man shouting inflammatory comments

This is very much my thinking as well, definitely losing the plot and becoming more extreme.

He’s definitely dropped off

I don’t listen to his new stuff. I think he’s fallen off with mental health and is now just following extreme views for clicks

His early stuff, I think he’s spot i.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus."

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"If you listen to Jordan you should really check out Ben shapiro... On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Jordan on his opinions on Justin trudeau

Yes, very much so agree on that

Ben Shapiro? "

Both. The checking out ben shapiro and JPs opinions on trudeau

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

"Another toxic grifter scumbag recruiting incels into the alt-right.

Handy for getting people with problematic beliefs to red-flag themselves, I guess.

Incels would not follow him. He's anti-porn what would they masturbate to? lol!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God "

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other controversial threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other "let's be dickheads" threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion."

Better.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

Fair enough.

I would suggest spending some time listening to him directly if you have any genuine interest in getting an educated opinion of him

Quite often reading about a person is only through the prism of someone else's view of that person. The same goes for the occasional quote taken, often out od context. The Skavlan interview i would recommend

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

"Ah, it’s just good old misogynistic views with a very thin veneer of respectability around it because he’s coated it in psychobabble.

but I like psycho-babble...if it weren't for psychobabble...this maverick would be dead.

Do you not prefer things to be clear and concise? "

Nope, if I wanted things to be clear, concise and simple...I wouldn't be the complicated Maverick that I am. I'm complex therefore I'm interested in complex things.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other "let's be dickheads" threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion.

Better.

Much better. Thank you

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other "let's be dickheads" threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion.

Better.

Im unsure why you appear to be so bitter in here but i wish you well anyway. And i hope you can open your mind a little bit more

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other "let's be dickheads" threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion.

Better.

Im unsure why you appear to be so bitter in here but i wish you well anyway. And i hope you can open your mind a little bit more"

Ah I'm good, my mind is very open thanks.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other "let's be dickheads" threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion.

Better.

Im unsure why you appear to be so bitter in here but i wish you well anyway. And i hope you can open your mind a little bit more

Ah I'm good, my mind is very open thanks. "

Ok. But labelling people dickheads because they dont share your opinions is a bit out of order to be honest and does nothing to help the discourse in here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other "let's be dickheads" threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion.

Better.

Im unsure why you appear to be so bitter in here but i wish you well anyway. And i hope you can open your mind a little bit more

Ah I'm good, my mind is very open thanks. "

Not too open mind. Sometimes your brain can fall out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other "let's be dickheads" threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion.

Better.

Im unsure why you appear to be so bitter in here but i wish you well anyway. And i hope you can open your mind a little bit more

Ah I'm good, my mind is very open thanks.

Ok. But labelling people dickheads because they dont share your opinions is a bit out of order to be honest and does nothing to help the discourse in here"

You can have your opinion, that does not make you a dickhead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other "let's be dickheads" threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion.

Better.

Im unsure why you appear to be so bitter in here but i wish you well anyway. And i hope you can open your mind a little bit more

Ah I'm good, my mind is very open thanks.

Not too open mind. Sometimes your brain can fall out."

Dam it, it happened again..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you listen to Jordan you should really check out Ben shapiro... On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Jordan on his opinions on Justin trudeau "

Shapiro?

Bloody hell

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

I’ll admit this is the first time I’ve heard of him but from what I’ve read he’s basically Andrew Tate with a thesaurus.

So this thread is the first time youve heard of him but youve formed an opinion based on this? Mother of God

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other "let's be dickheads" threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion.

Better.

Im unsure why you appear to be so bitter in here but i wish you well anyway. And i hope you can open your mind a little bit more

Ah I'm good, my mind is very open thanks.

Not too open mind. Sometimes your brain can fall out.

Dam it, it happened again.."

Is *this* a piece of your brain?

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"Ah, it’s just good old misogynistic views with a very thin veneer of respectability around it because he’s coated it in psychobabble.

but I like psycho-babble...if it weren't for psychobabble...this maverick would be dead.

Do you not prefer things to be clear and concise?

Nope, if I wanted things to be clear, concise and simple...I wouldn't be the complicated Maverick that I am. I'm complex therefore I'm interested in complex things. "

Psychobabble isn't complex in itself. If you can say something in 50 words you could have said in 10 you're babbling.

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By *etcplCouple over a year ago

Gapping Fanny

Forum filters at work again?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP

Thanks very much, appreciate that.

Whats a traditional nuclear family?

Welk at its core, is a 2 parent family

Whats Welk?

I meant 'well'. Typo

Oh right so how many children or is there a preferable limit?"

The concept of a a traditional nuclear family isn't something new or that Peterson invented. Perhaps Google?

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

I’ve formed an opinion based on what I’ve read about him since this thread was started (not on this thread). The people who seem to like him on this thread seem to be familiar faces on other "let's be dickheads" threads. Based on that information I have formed an opinion.

Better.

I'm certain people think I'm a d*ckhead. 1. I'm too honest 2. I suppress a lot of my reactions so they think I'm not interested or I don't care. 3. I refuse to do anything that is considered normal( I don't get d*unk. I don't do any unprescribed drug. I don't do bareback with multiples. I am on Fab with low libido. I don't work full time. I don't earn or spend loads of money unless it's a special occasion, my phone isn't permanently attached to me) but would jeopardise my mental health.

Add a few Bpd/Eupd/ASD/sensory traits and I'm too complex and probably a little scary. Can I stop being that kind of d*ckhead...not really...I can just be as polite as I can and walk away.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP

Thanks very much, appreciate that.

Whats a traditional nuclear family?

Welk at its core, is a 2 parent family

Whats Welk?

I meant 'well'. Typo

Oh right so how many children or is there a preferable limit?

The concept of a a traditional nuclear family isn't something new or that Peterson invented. Perhaps Google?"
nah, Google didn't invent it.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP

Thanks very much, appreciate that.

Whats a traditional nuclear family?

Welk at its core, is a 2 parent family

Whats Welk?

I meant 'well'. Typo

Oh right so how many children or is there a preferable limit?

The concept of a a traditional nuclear family isn't something new or that Peterson invented. Perhaps Google?nah, Google didn't invent it. "

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

Psychobabble isn't complex in itself. If you can say something in 50 words you could have said in 10 you're babbling. "

Interesting view....I will save that for my psychotherapist next session and tell her that she wasted 5 years of uni and the last 18 months therapising me. because it only takes 10 words.....

I shall also tell my legal friends and family to stop writing 200 page documents.

Judges too! they go on forever! So much time and words could be saved!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I really enjoyed the interview with Fredrik Scavlon, he came across well. And I was quite moved when he talked about the relationship he had with his father and mother.

Enjoy the lecture OP

Thanks very much, appreciate that.

Whats a traditional nuclear family?

Welk at its core, is a 2 parent family

Whats Welk?

I meant 'well'. Typo

Oh right so how many children or is there a preferable limit?

The concept of a a traditional nuclear family isn't something new or that Peterson invented. Perhaps Google?nah, Google didn't invent it. "

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By *hil most chillMan over a year ago

London & Europe

"If you listen to Jordan you should really check out Ben shapiro... On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Jordan on his opinions on Justin trudeau

Shapiro?

Bloody hell"

My thoughts exactly, the master of the self-own!!

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By *imAndBarbCouple over a year ago

chester

He’s a complete nob! Talks quick to confuse the gullible. Total prick!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He’s a complete nob! Talks quick to confuse the gullible. Total prick! "

No open minds here then.

No danger of brains falling out

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"He’s a complete nob! Talks quick to confuse the gullible. Total prick!

No open minds here then.

No danger of brains falling out

Nope. Well and truly locked in brains there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Peterson is quite well regarded as an academic, whatever you think of his views he isn't a quack. He's got substance.

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By *oudBeSurprisedMan over a year ago

Fife

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

Spot on. He wasn't refusing to use pronouns. He was refusing to be compelled to use them. All of the "free speech" advocates should have agreed with him that you should not be compelled by law with regards to what words you can use.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

It seems there is a certain demographic that demands free speech as long as the speech aligns with their views. If not, they ironically try to prevent you from speaking freely while calling you a fascist.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you listen to Jordan you should really check out Ben shapiro... On a side note I wholeheartedly agree with Jordan on his opinions on Justin trudeau

Shapiro?

Bloody hell

My thoughts exactly, the master of the self-own!!

Is Jordan his student then on the self-own?

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Excellently put

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Peterson is quite well regarded as an academic, whatever you think of his views he isn't a quack. He's got substance. "

Specifically in his field of psychology, yes.

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

Psychobabble isn't complex in itself. If you can say something in 50 words you could have said in 10 you're babbling.

Interesting view....I will save that for my psychotherapist next session and tell her that she wasted 5 years of uni and the last 18 months therapising me. because it only takes 10 words.....

I shall also tell my legal friends and family to stop writing 200 page documents.

Judges too! they go on forever! So much time and words could be saved!!"

That isn't psychobabble. I've talked to psychiatrists too, and they didn't blind me with unnecessary words.

Having a long conversation is necessary. Adding jargon and unnecessary words isn't.

Judges don't psychobabble either.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

If someone cannot be compelled to use the pronouns a person wishes to use, is it also the case that we are free to call people by whatever name we choose and cannot be compelled to use their preferred name?

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

Why should people be permitted to ride roughshod over the pronouns people wish to be addressed with? I don't understand. It's no more difficult than learning all the nicknames or preferred names of your associates, e.g. Stephen prefers Steve. Daniel prefers Dan but your other mate Daniel prefers Danny. Etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Dont know who he is

Googled him

Glad I dont know who he is

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

No comparison there. Names are whatever a person wants it to be. They arent dictionary defined.

Pronouns are indisputable established grammar.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

No comparison there. Names are whatever a person wants it to be. They arent dictionary defined.

Pronouns are indisputable established grammar. "

And language is obviously completely fixed and never evolves and changes over time? Got it.

I'm sure all the words in the dictionary have been the same with unchanged definitions since the first dictionaries were written

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By *ad NannaWoman over a year ago

East London

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

No comparison there. Names are whatever a person wants it to be. They arent dictionary defined.

Pronouns are indisputable established grammar.

And language is obviously completely fixed and never evolves and changes over time? Got it.

I'm sure all the words in the dictionary have been the same with unchanged definitions since the first dictionaries were written

Thou isteth noteth wronge.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lately though he seems to have gone completely off the deep end. From the thoughtful person who used to make reasonable comments to a crazy old man shouting inflammatory comments

This is very much my thinking as well, definitely losing the plot and becoming more extreme.

He was telling us all to stop being idiots and giving everyone the taking part trophy, what he is telling us to think about is can we be the best possible version of ourselves, both physically and mentally, rather than just congratulating everyone for giving ourselves a handy label and saying we are awesome,this forum post right here is exactly what he’s been warning about since day one, civilisations fall when the morality of men falter, in fighting, blurring of gender lines and polarisation, Rome, ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, all fell in similar ways because society became fractured and he’s been warning us about just that, now look at where we are, exactly as above, all of us keen to get our views in as this will validate us, not one of us qualified in any of it but because we are allowed a voice then surely we should be heard…. Dead wrong and we will reap what we sow

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

"Peterson is quite well regarded as an academic, whatever you think of his views he isn't a quack. He's got substance. "

Oh no not an academic....I think those are more hated than politicians to be honest. lol!

They write long winded psycho-babble books instead of giving snappy tik toks in ten words.

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By *ryandseeMan over a year ago

Yorkshire

Whilst I admit I often enjoy some of the debates on here, the only thing I learned from this thread and a few similar ones that seem to pop up recently is that some people thrive on controversy and are often blinded by their own self importance. I am off to read the carrot thread instead. Have fun

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lately though he seems to have gone completely off the deep end. From the thoughtful person who used to make reasonable comments to a crazy old man shouting inflammatory comments

This is very much my thinking as well, definitely losing the plot and becoming more extreme.

I feel like I'm in that scene from 300 with Gerald Butler and I'm getting wound up to go kick someone's cunt in.

Think I'll have a chamomile tea.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Whilst I admit I often enjoy some of the debates on here, the only thing I learned from this thread and a few similar ones that seem to pop up recently is that some people thrive on controversy and are often blinded by their own self importance. I am off to read the carrot thread instead. Have fun

Did you know, the natural colour of carrots is purple?

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By *oudBeSurprisedMan over a year ago

Fife

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

There is a difference between respecting someone's wishes and law.

Personally, my mother always had a saying "who is she? The cat's mother?"

No one is compelled to call anyone anything and yes it is true you can call anyone anything and you are not compelled to use their preferred name. It is also true that it isn't law that you must. That is what he was against, "compelled by law". It isn't illegal to call David "Senga". He might not like it and but you can call David "Senga" if you choose. Just don't expect David to answer you.

Unfortunately, the times of everyone wanting to be treated equally is history. Some don't want equality. They just shout equality while wanting to stand out and be different. They want to be special. They want to be treated as special and different. "I want what you have but I also want more because I'm different"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Names are whatever a person wants it to be. They arent dictionary defined.

Pronouns are indisputable established grammar. "

LOL sit down

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Peterson is quite well regarded as an academic, whatever you think of his views he isn't a quack. He's got substance.

Oh no not an academic....I think those are more hated than politicians to be honest. lol!

They write long winded psycho-babble books instead of giving snappy tik toks in ten words."

Erm you've just said lots of positive things about psycho babble? Regardless, academics are writing at a highly intellectual level - they're not appealing to the masses. Although Peterson has moved over to that. 12 things etc.

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

Psychobabble isn't complex in itself. If you can say something in 50 words you could have said in 10 you're babbling.

Interesting view....I will save that for my psychotherapist next session and tell her that she wasted 5 years of uni and the last 18 months therapising me. because it only takes 10 words.....

I shall also tell my legal friends and family to stop writing 200 page documents.

Judges too! they go on forever! So much time and words could be saved!!

That isn't psychobabble. I've talked to psychiatrists too, and they didn't blind me with unnecessary words.

Having a long conversation is necessary. Adding jargon and unnecessary words isn't.

Judges don't psychobabble either. "

A psychiatrist is different from a clinical psychologist is different from a psychotherapist. They are not all the same. If every time my therapist used jargon I had a hissy fit.....well I would have never completed the 18 months as recommended.

A lecturer uses jargon...that the nature of a lecturer...that's why they have a question and answer section at the end.

If you don't understand, ask a question or flat out tell them that you don't understand but to write it off completely as babble is for me a step too far.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lately though he seems to have gone completely off the deep end. From the thoughtful person who used to make reasonable comments to a crazy old man shouting inflammatory comments

This is very much my thinking as well, definitely losing the plot and becoming more extreme.

I feel like I'm in that scene from 300 with Gerald Butler and I'm getting wound up to go kick someone's cunt in.

Think I'll have a chamomile tea."

Mines Yorkshire tea left to stew and no sugar, I’m sweet enough thanks

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By *oudBeSurprisedMan over a year ago

Fife

"Names are whatever a person wants it to be. They arent dictionary defined.

Pronouns are indisputable established grammar.

LOL sit down

That's not wrong though

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

There is a difference between respecting someone's wishes and law.

Personally, my mother always had a saying "who is she? The cat's mother?"

I bet if a school, for example, started to call a child by a completely different name to the one the child was given at birth (e.g. a child christened Henry by parents is called Aethelred by teachers), would have a pretty good case for some sort of discrimination claim and the school would have to immediately revert to calling the child by the name given to them at birth. So, although in theory, there's no "law" that says you must call people by the name they choose, I'm also pretty certain that deliberately NOT using someone's given name on the regular would constitute some form of offence under the Equality Act or just in terms of bullying.

I speak as someone with an unusual first name who regularly had her name mispronounced or confused with other names at school, and on more than one occasion, was asked "was I sure" that my name was X and not Y by teachers. I never complained, but it was really upsetting actually. And I'm no "snowflake" to use a term beloved of the modern world.

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By *oudBeSurprisedMan over a year ago

Fife

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

No comparison there. Names are whatever a person wants it to be. They arent dictionary defined.

Pronouns are indisputable established grammar.

And language is obviously completely fixed and never evolves and changes over time? Got it.

I'm sure all the words in the dictionary have been the same with unchanged definitions since the first dictionaries were written

I actually can't tell if this is a wind up.

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By *mp411Man over a year ago

chester

"He’s a complete nob! Talks quick to confuse the gullible. Total prick! "

Sounds like your confused by him

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By *oudBeSurprisedMan over a year ago

Fife

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

There is a difference between respecting someone's wishes and law.

Personally, my mother always had a saying "who is she? The cat's mother?"

You are most definitely 100% wrong.

The equality act covers the 5 protected characteristics and a person's name is not a protected characteristic.

It's difficult to have a reasonable discussion with someone that uses fantastical scenarios and uninformed viewpoints

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

There is a difference between respecting someone's wishes and law.

Personally, my mother always had a saying "who is she? The cat's mother?"

Actually this has

happened one of my kids did want to change their name and the school asked me. It can't be changed for legal things such as GCSEs. But for every thing else - they were happy but I had to ok it. Which I was happy to do.

But the topic was more pronouns than names - the issue of using she for a male-bodied person for example. Compelled speech in the Canadian legislation was what Peterson argued about.

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

"Peterson is quite well regarded as an academic, whatever you think of his views he isn't a quack. He's got substance.

Oh no not an academic....I think those are more hated than politicians to be honest. lol!

They write long winded psycho-babble books instead of giving snappy tik toks in ten words.

That's my dry sense of humour. Generally I find that most people hate talk of psychology and academics. Usually because they fear that they will get inside their mind and "trick" them or have more intelligence than them and trick them.

Personally I fear those people I watch on true crime shows. Academics and Mental health people? Nah...they don't know everything even in their field and the best ones admit it.

If people want to make judgements based on the popular media opinion, that's their right.

I was never like that. That's why I'm a Maverick. I always go against popular opinion but not in a vulgar way and definitely not by calling people names.

I just do my own thing. Low libido on a swingers site and all.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Ho. Sad, tired specimen of our species. There's so much to learn in life but his piffle aint part of it for me.

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By *obletonMan over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

Ben Shapiro? "

Basically a far right authoritarian bootlicker who claims to be a libertarian - and while BS has all the teenage sociopathic traits you expect from a libertarian - he's anything but

check out youtube for the book review of his pant wettingly bad novel True Allegiance

it's hilarious

Hilariously badly written far right propaganda novel where the "hero" nukes NeW York because muslims and liberals

I'm not kidding

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Peterson is quite well regarded as an academic, whatever you think of his views he isn't a quack. He's got substance.

Oh no not an academic....I think those are more hated than politicians to be honest. lol!

They write long winded psycho-babble books instead of giving snappy tik toks in ten words.

Personally I fear those people I watch on true crime shows. Academics and Mental health people? Nah...they don't know everything even in their field and the best ones admit it.

If people want to make judgements based on the popular media opinion, that's their right.

I was never like that. That's why I'm a Maverick. I always go against popular opinion but not in a vulgar way and definitely not by calling people names.

I just do my own thing. Low libido on a swingers site and all."

Right.

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

I actually can't tell if this is a wind up.

You know it is deep down. Lol! This thread will be closed soon so dont' worry about it.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

Ben Shapiro?

Basically a far right authoritarian bootlicker who claims to be a libertarian - and while BS has all the teenage sociopathic traits you expect from a libertarian - he's anything but

check out youtube for the book review of his pant wettingly bad novel True Allegiance

it's hilarious

Hilariously badly written far right propaganda novel where the "hero" nukes NeW York because muslims and liberals

I'm not kidding"

I always rather read things directly or listen to people directly, rather than someone elses thoughts or 'reviews' on that person

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

There is a difference between respecting someone's wishes and law.

Personally, my mother always had a saying "who is she? The cat's mother?"

Actually this has

But the topic was more pronouns than names - the issue of using she for a male-bodied person for example. Compelled speech in the Canadian legislation was what Peterson argued about. "

I don't mean the child or a person choosing to change their name. I'm referring to a situation where someone (a teacher, in my example) decides not to call a child by their name and just decides to use a completely different name. For example, instead of Henry, they decide to use Aethelred. This stems from the earlier point or question really about why it's okay that we (society) should not be compelled to use the pronoun words people wish for us to use, and I compared that to using a person's preferred name. Is it okay for me to flatly refused to call my friend Dan when his "proper" name is Daniel? Or insist on only called my friend Elizabeth by the full name, not her preferred "Liz"? And if that's not okay, why the difference with "chosen" pronouns? If my friend Sam wishes me to use they, it's absolutely no skin off my nose, just as it's no skin off my nose to remember they prefer "Sam" and not Samantha or Samuel.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I actually can't tell if this is a wind up.

You know it is deep down. Lol! This thread will be closed soon so dont' worry about it."

Why will the thread get closed?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I actually can't tell if this is a wind up.

You know it is deep down. Lol! This thread will be closed soon so dont' worry about it.

Why will the thread get closed? "

It's on 157 posts

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

I actually can't tell if this is a wind up.

You know it is deep down. Lol! This thread will be closed soon so dont' worry about it.

Why will the thread get closed? "

because the quotes and re quotes are getting too long.

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By *partharmonyCouple over a year ago

Ruislip

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

I will thank you and I agree, youre spot on about that proposed law in canada and his reaction to it at the time. "

Except that on this issue, which led to his rise to fame and considerable fortune, he lied his head off. All that happened in the Canadian law was a change to the list of protected groups to include trans people. All his stuff about people being compelled to use pronouns or become criminals was a lie, but right-wing transphobes loved it and absolutely lapped it up. He was openly and blatantly lying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I actually can't tell if this is a wind up.

You know it is deep down. Lol! This thread will be closed soon so dont' worry about it.

Why will the thread get closed?

It's on 157 posts "

Tick tock

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"I’d rather poke my own eyes out!"

Agreed - and stick knives in my ears.

I'm not sure if it's his pandering to incels, appeasing the so-called alt-right, sexism, Islamophobia, transphobia, or lying about his own addiction issues that bothers me the most.

Or it might even just be that he is nowhere near as smart as he or his fans think he is. He doesn't even get lobsters right!

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By *oudBeSurprisedMan over a year ago

Fife

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

There is a difference between respecting someone's wishes and law.

Personally, my mother always had a saying "who is she? The cat's mother?"

Actually this has

But the topic was more pronouns than names - the issue of using she for a male-bodied person for example. Compelled speech in the Canadian legislation was what Peterson argued about. "

Its perfectly legal. I changed my name when I was 11. For decades, the name on my birth certificate was not the name on my passport, my NI number, my bank accounts or anything other than my birth certificate. All I needed was a Justice of the peace to sign a document and it made my name change legal.

I have since changed it on my birth certificate.

That being said, no one is legally compelled to call me by that or any other name. Not unless I could argue that not doing so is hate speech but that is a completely different argument to free speech.

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By *elaninMaverickWoman over a year ago

near Putney Heath

Ben Shapiro?

Basically a far right authoritarian bootlicker who claims to be a libertarian - and while BS has all the teenage sociopathic traits you expect from a libertarian - he's anything but

check out youtube for the book review of his pant wettingly bad novel True Allegiance

it's hilarious

Hilariously badly written far right propaganda novel where the "hero" nukes NeW York because muslims and liberals

I'm not kidding

I always rather read things directly or listen to people directly, rather than someone elses thoughts or 'reviews' on that person "

Yeah I find that weird too when people who are not in mental health review public personalities. I'd rather watch a documentary on Ghislane Maxwell.

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

There is a difference between respecting someone's wishes and law.

Personally, my mother always had a saying "who is she? The cat's mother?"

Actually this has

But the topic was more pronouns than names - the issue of using she for a male-bodied person for example. Compelled speech in the Canadian legislation was what Peterson argued about.

Yes we all absolutely agree its no skin of your nose, nor ours. And chances are of sam asked us as a friend, we would all probably happily use whatever pronoun he preferred.

However e, to think this should be compelled by law is just beyond the pale

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tick

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I actually can't tell if this is a wind up.

You know it is deep down. Lol! This thread will be closed soon so dont' worry about it.

Why will the thread get closed?

because the quotes and re quotes are getting too long."

That's not a reason a post is removed I don't think.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tock

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tock "

Goes the clock

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By *MisschiefxTV/TS over a year ago

London

I actually can't tell if this is a wind up.

You know it is deep down. Lol! This thread will be closed soon so dont' worry about it.

Why will the thread get closed?

because the quotes and re quotes are getting too long.

That's not a reason a post is removed I don't think. "

Posts get locked at 175 replies

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

"Tock "

If you dont like the thread you could always just ignore it you know. That would be the mature way of acting

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

I'm pretty sure that if I decided against using the given name of one of my staff, and started to use a completely different one, or even decided I'd call Anthony just that, and not Tony, if they were so minded, could have a complaint upheld for bullying. I fail to understand why "chosen" names are any different to chosen pronouns.

Anyway, I'm obviously in the minority on here, so I'm going to hobble away and cry snowflakes tears into my pillow

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This has been very informative.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I actually can't tell if this is a wind up.

You know it is deep down. Lol! This thread will be closed soon so dont' worry about it.

Why will the thread get closed?

because the quotes and re quotes are getting too long.

That's not a reason a post is removed I don't think.

Posts get locked at 175 replies "

I know but this person said this thread will be removed and the reason given was because the reply and quotes were too long that will not be the case.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm pretty sure that if I decided against using the given name of one of my staff, and started to use a completely different one, or even decided I'd call Anthony just that, and not Tony, if they were so minded, could have a complaint upheld for bullying. I fail to understand why "chosen" names are any different to chosen pronouns.

Anyway, I'm obviously in the minority on here, so I'm going to hobble away and cry snowflakes tears into my pillow

See Marty Usman.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Im going to one of his lectures in september as part of his tour over this neck of the woods. Cant wait for it i have to say. Has anyone been to one of his talks/lectures in person before?

Oh my goodness, the man is an utter quack. He is a shill for right-wingers everywhere. He is an utterly terrible person who talks an immense amount of shit.

Have to disagree on that. Cant see where you would get any of that at all to be honest.

Enjoy the show.

What I've seen of him makes me think he's thoughtful and honest in his views.

His stance was that you can call yourself anything you want and he respects your right to do so but no one should be compelled by law to do the same.

Men called David who prefer Dave? No

Men called Anthony who prefer Tony? No

Women called Elizabeth who prefer Liz? No

Etc.

The pronouns we all use in our speech (him, her, they etc) are part of identifying a person:

"Is that Mrs KC?"

"Yes, that's her"

There is a difference between respecting someone's wishes and law.

Personally, my mother always had a saying "who is she? The cat's mother?"

Actually this has

But the topic was more pronouns than names - the issue of using she for a male-bodied person for example. Compelled speech in the Canadian legislation was what Peterson argued about.

I don't wish to hijack the thread, but I disagree with compelled speech. Using pronouns for some is seen as agreeing with gender ideology. (That's not my objection, I am just giving one reason why some people don't agree)

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By *ananaman41 OP Man over a year ago

Dublin

Anyway, I'm obviously in the minority on here, so I'm going to hobble away and cry snowflakes tears into my pillow

There may be a case under employment law under some bullying heading perhaps.

But that's completely different to civil law

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By *obletonMan over a year ago

A Home Among The Woodland Creatures

Ben Shapiro?

Basically a far right authoritarian bootlicker who claims to be a libertarian - and while BS has all the teenage sociopathic traits you expect from a libertarian - he's anything but

check out youtube for the book review of his pant wettingly bad novel True Allegiance

it's hilarious

Hilariously badly written far right propaganda novel where the "hero" nukes NeW York because muslims and liberals

I'm not kidding

I always rather read things directly or listen to people directly, rather than someone elses thoughts or 'reviews' on that person "

Please do - after listening to the hilarious reviews of True Allegience - I went and bought it - the scathing reviews don't do justice to just how bad it is and how it distills the death cult that the far right really is.

I'm kind of ashamed to have been one of the few to have given a *N-word* (not the N-word with a G but the n-word with a Z) my money - but it's an amazing look into how they think the world should work and how things like law and justice should work (become a terrorist and nuke cities if you're offended)

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By *bi HaiveMan over a year ago
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Cheeseville, Somerset

Ben Shapiro?

Basically a far right authoritarian bootlicker who claims to be a libertarian - and while BS has all the teenage sociopathic traits you expect from a libertarian - he's anything but

check out youtube for the book review of his pant wettingly bad novel True Allegiance

it's hilarious

Hilariously badly written far right propaganda novel where the "hero" nukes NeW York because muslims and liberals

I'm not kidding"

Why do I suspect that at some point a really bad straight to TV movie will be made of that, starring as the hero that grade A arsehole Dan Bilzerian...

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