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By *ttmcdguy OP TV/TS
over a year ago
Milton Keynes |
Last weekend I drank 1 can of strongbow and drove home
Now during the week I’ve taken a right slating over drink driving
Now my question is
Is blowing 40 on a breathalyser worse than benifit fraud ?
Ps I was not breathaliesd and was not on a public road !! And was definitely not d*unk ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m guessing it was a 440ml can and would have been around 2 units. Although it’s always best to avoid drinking when driving I don’t think that would take you over the limit so I wouldn’t worry about it. |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
south east |
You may well have been over the limit if you were in scotland as the drink drive limit is 20mg instead of the 35 it is here in england ...that being said i have on occasion had 1 pint before driving but its a very rare occurance  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"To answer your question I think drink driving is worse than benefit fraud. You won’t potentially endanger innocent people with benefit fraud."
Exactly this.
I'm thinking this thread won't go the way you hope, OP. |
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"To answer your question I think drink driving is worse than benefit fraud. You won’t potentially endanger innocent people with benefit fraud."
Another "exactly this". There's really no comparison between drink driving and benefit fraud in my mind. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well legally, driving within the drink-drive limit is within the law, whereas benefit fraud is not. The moral scale is another matter."
40 is over the limit! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Where has benefit fraud come from?
Was that just a distraction argument?
I found it a strange comparison too! "
I'm thinking it came from a deflective argument.
Yeah but you did this kind of thing.
Usually from someone knowing damn well they're in the wrong |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No brainier. Drinking and driving means you might kill someone.. benefit fraud might just piss someone off. I suggest someone deletes this offensive thread. A friend of mine was killed by a d*unk driver. |
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By *hirleyMan
over a year ago
somewhere |
I've drank over the limit very recently, I'm not proud, I won't put myself in that position again i hope... but I think speeding is much worse, there's very many reckless drivers doing so, statistics say that it is too, but that's depending interpretation I think. |
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"I've drank over the limit very recently, I'm not proud, I won't put myself in that position again i hope... but I think speeding is much worse, there's very many reckless drivers doing so, statistics say that it is too, but that's depending interpretation I think."
Law is the law though. I could pretty much be certain that my instincts after a bottle of wine would still be a lot quicker than an 85 year old Doris dithering along. I wouldn’t do it though. If I’m drinking I don’t have any. Don’t see the point. |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
Manchester (he/him) |
Whataboutism.
Neither are good. Drink driving is potentially deadly though.
I rarely drink but I definitely won’t if I’m driving, you don’t know how the alcohol may affect you and even a small amount will impairs judgement. |
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"I've drank over the limit very recently, I'm not proud, I won't put myself in that position again i hope... but I think speeding is much worse, there's very many reckless drivers doing so, statistics say that it is too, but that's depending interpretation I think.
Law is the law though. I could pretty much be certain that my instincts after a bottle of wine would still be a lot quicker than an 85 year old Doris dithering along. I wouldn’t do it though. If I’m drinking I don’t have any. Don’t see the point. "
Not saying it’s right you have answered the point 
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By *hirleyMan
over a year ago
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"I've drank over the limit very recently, I'm not proud, I won't put myself in that position again i hope... but I think speeding is much worse, there's very many reckless drivers doing so, statistics say that it is too, but that's depending interpretation I think.
Law is the law though. I could pretty much be certain that my instincts after a bottle of wine would still be a lot quicker than an 85 year old Doris dithering along. I wouldn’t do it though. If I’m drinking I don’t have any. Don’t see the point. "
My point was not to try and disperse the legality of those actions, it was my opinion based on the question asked and what I think. I'll reiterate that drink driving isn't as bad as it's made out to be, this is backed up with real life statistics on road incidents. I know the law of course and don't actively try to break it. |
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"I've drank over the limit very recently, I'm not proud, I won't put myself in that position again i hope... but I think speeding is much worse, there's very many reckless drivers doing so, statistics say that it is too, but that's depending interpretation I think.
Law is the law though. I could pretty much be certain that my instincts after a bottle of wine would still be a lot quicker than an 85 year old Doris dithering along. I wouldn’t do it though. If I’m drinking I don’t have any. Don’t see the point.
My point was not to try and disperse the legality of those actions, it was my opinion based on the question asked and what I think. I'll reiterate that drink driving isn't as bad as it's made out to be, this is backed up with real life statistics on road incidents. I know the law of course and don't actively try to break it."
Drink driving isn't as bad as its made out...really? Doesn't matter the statistics you shouldn't bloody do it full stop!
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"I've drank over the limit very recently, I'm not proud, I won't put myself in that position again i hope... but I think speeding is much worse, there's very many reckless drivers doing so, statistics say that it is too, but that's depending interpretation I think.
Law is the law though. I could pretty much be certain that my instincts after a bottle of wine would still be a lot quicker than an 85 year old Doris dithering along. I wouldn’t do it though. If I’m drinking I don’t have any. Don’t see the point.
Not saying it’s right you have answered the point
Mr"
I meant I don’t see the point of having just one, rather not have any. Not that I don’t see the point in the comment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've drank over the limit very recently, I'm not proud, I won't put myself in that position again i hope... but I think speeding is much worse, there's very many reckless drivers doing so, statistics say that it is too, but that's depending interpretation I think.
Law is the law though. I could pretty much be certain that my instincts after a bottle of wine would still be a lot quicker than an 85 year old Doris dithering along. I wouldn’t do it though. If I’m drinking I don’t have any. Don’t see the point.
My point was not to try and disperse the legality of those actions, it was my opinion based on the question asked and what I think. I'll reiterate that drink driving isn't as bad as it's made out to be, this is backed up with real life statistics on road incidents. I know the law of course and don't actively try to break it."
I'm sure the families that have lost members do you irresponsible d*unk drivers would agree that it's 'not that bad' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Last weekend I drank 1 can of strongbow and drove home
Now during the week I’ve taken a right slating over drink driving
Now my question is
Is blowing 40 on a breathalyser worse than benifit fraud ?
Ps I was not breathaliesd and was not on a public road !! And was definitely not d*unk ! "
The 2 are not comparable tbh
Benefit fraud hurts no one
D*unk driving can potentially kills people if things go wrong |
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"I've drank over the limit very recently, I'm not proud, I won't put myself in that position again i hope... but I think speeding is much worse, there's very many reckless drivers doing so, statistics say that it is too, but that's depending interpretation I think.
Law is the law though. I could pretty much be certain that my instincts after a bottle of wine would still be a lot quicker than an 85 year old Doris dithering along. I wouldn’t do it though. If I’m drinking I don’t have any. Don’t see the point.
My point was not to try and disperse the legality of those actions, it was my opinion based on the question asked and what I think. I'll reiterate that drink driving isn't as bad as it's made out to be, this is backed up with real life statistics on road incidents. I know the law of course and don't actively try to break it."
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"Last weekend I drank 1 can of strongbow and drove home
Now during the week I’ve taken a right slating over drink driving
Now my question is
Is blowing 40 on a breathalyser worse than benifit fraud ?
Ps I was not breathaliesd and was not on a public road !! And was definitely not d*unk ! "
Are you committing benefit fraud as well as driving under the influence? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've drank over the limit very recently, I'm not proud, I won't put myself in that position again i hope... but I think speeding is much worse, there's very many reckless drivers doing so, statistics say that it is too, but that's depending interpretation I think.
Law is the law though. I could pretty much be certain that my instincts after a bottle of wine would still be a lot quicker than an 85 year old Doris dithering along. I wouldn’t do it though. If I’m drinking I don’t have any. Don’t see the point.
My point was not to try and disperse the legality of those actions, it was my opinion based on the question asked and what I think. I'll reiterate that drink driving isn't as bad as it's made out to be, this is backed up with real life statistics on road incidents. I know the law of course and don't actively try to break it."
what stats ? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"I've drank over the limit very recently, I'm not proud, I won't put myself in that position again i hope... but I think speeding is much worse, there's very many reckless drivers doing so, statistics say that it is too, but that's depending interpretation I think.
Law is the law though. I could pretty much be certain that my instincts after a bottle of wine would still be a lot quicker than an 85 year old Doris dithering along. I wouldn’t do it though. If I’m drinking I don’t have any. Don’t see the point.
My point was not to try and disperse the legality of those actions, it was my opinion based on the question asked and what I think. I'll reiterate that drink driving isn't as bad as it's made out to be, this is backed up with real life statistics on road incidents. I know the law of course and don't actively try to break it."
Cam you provide a link to those statistics? |
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"No brainier. Drinking and driving means you might kill someone.. benefit fraud might just piss someone off. I suggest someone deletes this offensive thread. A friend of mine was killed by a d*unk driver. "
My aunt (who I never met) was run over outside her college, on a pedestrian crossing, in broad daylight, by a driver who'd been drinking. It happened on my Grandad's birthday (her Dad). She was 16. He had to identify her. Grandad died last year at age 89 and it never left him.
I have absolutely no patience for anyone who drinks and drives. If you are driving or might be driving, you don't drink alcohol. It's very simple. |
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By *lydeXXXMan
over a year ago
Doncaster |
Here's an idea, if you plan on driving a ton plus of metal where other road users are, where pedestrians including children might be then just don't drink before doing so. As for a comparison with benefit fraud, I think the answer to that doesn't need reiterating and I think the op already knows the answer.
As for anyone thinking drink driving isn't as bad as its made out to be do a quick search "David Logan Dalton-in-Furness" a father and his two children out for a fathers day walk with their dog, logan had been drinking mounted the pavement and killed them all. The mother and wife will never get over this her world gone! I dont care for statistics in these situations. More people are probably killed by boy racers actions every year but that's because there are probably less drink drivers on the road because most people know that only a complete twunt does it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It should be zero tolerance... Don't drink at all if you want to drive.
Not comparable to benefit fraud. No one's going to die if you claim money you shouldn't."
I will have one small drink if I'm driving but will only actually drive if I feel OK.
Other wise I'd leave my car and get a taxi
I dr-nk drove once after an argument with my ex and he kicked me out in the cold. I clearly wasn't thinking straight and thankfully I didn't cause an accident or get pulled over (I would of almost certainly lost my licence) but I felt awful about it for weeks after wards
Would never ever do it again
I don't know how I would live with myself if I hit someone sober never mind if I was dr^nk |
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By *lydeXXXMan
over a year ago
Doncaster |
"Not condoning drink driving, but I remember statistics once saying, 20% of fatal accidents was caused by d*unk drivers,..this meant that 80% was caused by sober drivers. "
Think about that statement though. Last year an estimated 1560 people were killed in road accidents. You're saying 80% of those were caused by sober drivers. That may well be the case and for varying reasons, errors of judgement, weather conditions, accidental collisions, being as dumb as shit but then there's that 20%, approximately 312 of those deaths were most likely very avoidable had the drivers just said you know what, I'm driving so I'll not drink. That's the difference in that 20% |
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By *otdave75Man
over a year ago
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Everyone is an individual, I would have one drink and drive, others wouldn’t. People are too quick to judge. I have learnt to not listen to the twats in this world, they just bring everyone down. Bet most of those people slating you drive tired and don’t give it a second thought. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not condoning drink driving, but I remember statistics once saying, 20% of fatal accidents was caused by d*unk drivers,..this meant that 80% was caused by sober drivers.
Think about that statement though. Last year an estimated 1560 people were killed in road accidents. You're saying 80% of those were caused by sober drivers. That may well be the case and for varying reasons, errors of judgement, weather conditions, accidental collisions, being as dumb as shit but then there's that 20%, approximately 312 of those deaths were most likely very avoidable had the drivers just said you know what, I'm driving so I'll not drink. That's the difference in that 20%"
Not to mention in that 80%, there's likely drug drivers too |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Everyone is an individual, I would have one drink and drive, others wouldn’t. People are too quick to judge. I have learnt to not listen to the twats in this world, they just bring everyone down. Bet most of those people slating you drive tired and don’t give it a second thought."
That comes across very defensive.
Those twats as you put it, well maybe they look at in the same light.
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By *lydeXXXMan
over a year ago
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"Not condoning drink driving, but I remember statistics once saying, 20% of fatal accidents was caused by d*unk drivers,..this meant that 80% was caused by sober drivers.
Think about that statement though. Last year an estimated 1560 people were killed in road accidents. You're saying 80% of those were caused by sober drivers. That may well be the case and for varying reasons, errors of judgement, weather conditions, accidental collisions, being as dumb as shit but then there's that 20%, approximately 312 of those deaths were most likely very avoidable had the drivers just said you know what, I'm driving so I'll not drink. That's the difference in that 20%
Not to mention in that 80%, there's likely drug drivers too"
That's a very good point I did think of after posting so I'm glad you mentioned it. |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
Paisley |
It’s not just about driving after a drink that night, many are still over the limit the following morning.
I was at school with a girl who lost her Mum to a d*unk driver. She also had 3 older sisters. |
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"Maybe it would be simpler to have a zero tolerance to drink/drug driving..no drink/drug driving. "
It would but then what about if it’s still slightly in your system the next day? Do you mean any traces of alcohol at all and you would be done?
Where do you draw the line if not? |
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"Last weekend I drank 1 can of strongbow and drove home
Now during the week I’ve taken a right slating over drink driving
Now my question is
Is blowing 40 on a breathalyser worse than benifit fraud ?
Ps I was not breathaliesd and was not on a public road !! And was definitely not d*unk ! "
Why do they have to be worse than each other? |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands |
I am of an age which remembers the breathalyser being introduced in 1968.
A couple of weeks after it was introduced two friends of mine were killed when their car hit a tree, excess alcohol was the cause.
Since that time I only drink on my birthday and over Christmas when I know I will not be driving.
I keep a well stocked wine cellar and drinks cupboard to cater for visitors but encourage those who are driving not to partake. |
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By *ttmcdguy OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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Just for the record
I had 1 can with friends at their caravan I then drove at less than 10 miles an hour 300yards to my caravan on private land
At no point was I d*unk nor doing a speed that could hurt anyone
I fully aware DD is a no no there is no need to make accusations that I do
The reason I posted is the twat who thought she could take the moral high ground with me over this is committing benefit fraud
The reason I said 40 on a breathalyser is the police can not use the road side breathalyser as evidence
And by the time you have been detained and put on the evidential breathalyser that level will drop below 35 which is the legal limit
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"I am of an age which remembers the breathalyser being introduced in 1968.
A couple of weeks after it was introduced two friends of mine were killed when their car hit a tree, excess alcohol was the cause.
Since that time I only drink on my birthday and over Christmas when I know I will not be driving.
I keep a well stocked wine cellar and drinks cupboard to cater for visitors but encourage those who are driving not to partake. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just for the record
I had 1 can with friends at their caravan I then drove at less than 10 miles an hour 300yards to my caravan on private land
At no point was I d*unk nor doing a speed that could hurt anyone
I fully aware DD is a no no there is no need to make accusations that I do
The reason I posted is the twat who thought she could take the moral high ground with me over this is committing benefit fraud
The reason I said 40 on a breathalyser is the police can not use the road side breathalyser as evidence
And by the time you have been detained and put on the evidential breathalyser that level will drop below 35 which is the legal limit
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And so the benefit fraud was a counter argument to distract your own wrong doing? (shrugs)
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35 years ago I tested a breathalyser machine being installed in a nightclub and it told me I was well over the legal limit.
10 years later I was sent a sample of a breathalyser unit that was being about to made available to licensed premises and once again I was over the legal limit.
Following a work related conversation with a police officer in regard to the above he tested me using an official unit and again I was well over the limit. All three units gave virtually the same reading.
My reason for writing this post is that I have never tasted alcohol at any stage in my life. Not a single drop.
Everyone's metabolism is different and the only true method is common sense. |
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over a year ago
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"Not condoning drink driving, but I remember statistics once saying, 20% of fatal accidents was caused by d*unk drivers,..this meant that 80% was caused by sober drivers. "
is this a serious argument ?
It's normally used as a joke... But on fab I'm never sure ... |
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"Last weekend I drank 1 can of strongbow and drove home
Now during the week I’ve taken a right slating over drink driving
Now my question is
Is blowing 40 on a breathalyser worse than benifit fraud ?
Ps I was not breathaliesd and was not on a public road !! And was definitely not d*unk ! "
Theres a legal limit for a reason. The legal limit wouldn't allow people to drive whilst impaired now would it? But only you know if one can of cider makes you a better or worse driver.. Or has no effect on you.
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"Maybe it would be simpler to have a zero tolerance to drink/drug driving..no drink/drug driving.
It would but then what about if it’s still slightly in your system the next day? Do you mean any traces of alcohol at all and you would be done?
Where do you draw the line if not? "
In my state of Australia there's an absolute zero limit for new drivers (I think it's learners plus three or four years?). In practice it means no alcohol, down to and including mouthwash, within 48 hours of driving. |
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Also the reason you can’t do a zero limit is because wheat products can ferment in the gut and give you a reading
Source : use to be a high end delivery driver, trained by the police, and this is one of the subjects they covered |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Stealing a little cash off the government VS d*unkenly mowing down a person and killing then
If your wondering which is worse, check your priorities "
I'm not defending OP but the comparison is
Definitely stealing a a few pennies off lots and lots of other people (as it's our money, not HMG) VS increasing your risk of mowing down a person and killing then
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just for the record
I had 1 can with friends at their caravan I then drove at less than 10 miles an hour 300yards to my caravan on private land
At no point was I d*unk nor doing a speed that could hurt anyone
I fully aware DD is a no no there is no need to make accusations that I do
The reason I posted is the twat who thought she could take the moral high ground with me over this is committing benefit fraud
The reason I said 40 on a breathalyser is the police can not use the road side breathalyser as evidence
And by the time you have been detained and put on the evidential breathalyser that level will drop below 35 which is the legal limit
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why didnt you walk ? |
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"Stealing a little cash off the government VS d*unkenly mowing down a person and killing then
If your wondering which is worse, check your priorities I'm not defending OP but the comparison is
Definitely stealing a a few pennies off lots and lots of other people (as it's our money, not HMG) VS increasing your risk of mowing down a person and killing then
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True, but still. Take the pennies please
Actually do neither, but if you’ve gotta choose I’ll give you some pennies |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stealing a little cash off the government VS d*unkenly mowing down a person and killing then
If your wondering which is worse, check your priorities I'm not defending OP but the comparison is
Definitely stealing a a few pennies off lots and lots of other people (as it's our money, not HMG) VS increasing your risk of mowing down a person and killing then
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Nobody misses the money stolen by benefit fraud. I can’t say the same thing for someone killed by a d*unk driver. |
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"It’s not just about driving after a drink that night, many are still over the limit the following morning.
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Not even just the morning. I recently found out in my substance misuse training for work that the reason we believe we don't get hangovers when we're young is because it can take a young person 2 hours to process each unit of alcohol so they're not hungover the next day because they're still d*unk. If they have a heavy night and have say 8 drinks, that's approximately 16 units depending on what they're drinking. That's 32 hours to process. There's also variation between people so it's much harder to predict and many people won't even remember exactly how many drinks they had or know exactly how many units were in each. There's a lot of criticism in here of people having 1 drink if they know they're going to drive but I would argue they're far more aware of the level of alcohol in their system than someone driving in the days following a heavy night of drinking.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Stealing a little cash off the government VS d*unkenly mowing down a person and killing then
If your wondering which is worse, check your priorities I'm not defending OP but the comparison is
Definitely stealing a a few pennies off lots and lots of other people (as it's our money, not HMG) VS increasing your risk of mowing down a person and killing then
True, but still. Take the pennies please
Actually do neither, but if you’ve gotta choose I’ll give you some pennies "
like I say, I'm not defending. Nor am I on the side of DUI. Fact is, even with a more fair statement most would say DUI is worse. That says something.
I get the sense this is a running battle the OP is having. And this song the first time they ahvw argued with their neighbour about benefits. |
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"Just for the record
I had 1 can with friends at their caravan I then drove at less than 10 miles an hour 300yards to my caravan on private land
At no point was I d*unk nor doing a speed that could hurt anyone
I fully aware DD is a no no there is no need to make accusations that I do
The reason I posted is the twat who thought she could take the moral high ground with me over this is committing benefit fraud
The reason I said 40 on a breathalyser is the police can not use the road side breathalyser as evidence
And by the time you have been detained and put on the evidential breathalyser that level will drop below 35 which is the legal limit
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Buying time then as far as evidence goes?
Medication, metabolism, general health etc etc, many many things will effect how the alcohol will impact. The same person can have no impairment one day, drink the exact same amount another day and most definitely be impaired. Many times people are impairment but don't realise it or be willing to admit it to themselves. |
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"Just for the record
I had 1 can with friends at their caravan I then drove at less than 10 miles an hour 300yards to my caravan on private land
At no point was I d*unk nor doing a speed that could hurt anyone
I fully aware DD is a no no there is no need to make accusations that I do
The reason I posted is the twat who thought she could take the moral high ground with me over this is committing benefit fraud
The reason I said 40 on a breathalyser is the police can not use the road side breathalyser as evidence
And by the time you have been detained and put on the evidential breathalyser that level will drop below 35 which is the legal limit
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You could just leave your car there and walk 300 yards, no? |
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"Just for the record
I had 1 can with friends at their caravan I then drove at less than 10 miles an hour 300yards to my caravan on private land
At no point was I d*unk nor doing a speed that could hurt anyone
I fully aware DD is a no no there is no need to make accusations that I do
The reason I posted is the twat who thought she could take the moral high ground with me over this is committing benefit fraud
The reason I said 40 on a breathalyser is the police can not use the road side breathalyser as evidence
And by the time you have been detained and put on the evidential breathalyser that level will drop below 35 which is the legal limit
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If you are comfortable that what you did is fine then stop getting riled by someone with a different opinion.
Jesus.....
If you are happy that you are in the right then don't defend your position. There is no need. And certainly calling someone else out only serves to make you look foolish.
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"Also the reason you can’t do a zero limit is because wheat products can ferment in the gut and give you a reading
Source : use to be a high end delivery driver, trained by the police, and this is one of the subjects they covered "
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Yeah not up for debate really is it 
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