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Should people get payed when going on a strike?
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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I am on a split view about it and cant really decide. I can see the argument over it from both the workers and the companys side, one example I think of the ones who have the most strikes are probably the train drivers, we have seen about 3 strikes within 2 months, even tho they are on a fairly good wage  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i thought the pay came from a union strike fund"
Only for those in super hardship. They cant afford to pay all. Union leaders need to quietly make their millions |
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It’s a good job I didn’t join fab for intellectual and philosophical debate.
Of course you don’t get paid when you choose to withhold your labour in pursuit of better wages or whatever. Why would you expect to be?
Some unions may have funds available to offer strike pay, but the only people who get full pay whilst involved in a strike are the full time union reps.
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It's been years since I was involved in a strike but at the time the GMB paid strike pay. If memory serves they paid after a week out on strike, at a rate of somewhere around £40 per day.
At the time there was no other pay to be had, you couldn't claim jobseekers because you weren't seeking a job. |
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"Lots of companies don’t pay sick leave so not going to pay people on strike "
Companies have no choice about paying Statutory Sick Pay (SSP) after 4 days off.
It’s £99.35 per week.
Just search SSP for info.
Still shouldn’t pay anything when people strike though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lots of companies don’t pay sick leave so not going to pay people on strike "
Off with covid
My company would not pay
When I went to hospital for indefinite period company would not pay even though it was there fault  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The miners striking in the 80s didn't get paid. It was the first time I heard of food banks"
I remember the miners strike, those were dire times for the strikers ..not able to feed their families or pay their bills.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The miners striking in the 80s didn't get paid. It was the first time I heard of food banks
I remember the miners strike, those were dire times for the strikers ..not able to feed their families or pay their bills.."
Little known fact. Whilst some officers from the Met were openly arseholes to the striking miners, waving bundles of overtime money at them, other forces were routinely collecting and taking up food and essentials parcels for striking miners families. Funny old World… |
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"The miners striking in the 80s didn't get paid. It was the first time I heard of food banks
I remember the miners strike, those were dire times for the strikers ..not able to feed their families or pay their bills.."
My memory of the coal strikers were that that basically held the country hostage every winter and finally got a taste of their own medicine when Thatcher stockpiled coal and told them all to bugger off
I might be way off though |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands |
"The miners striking in the 80s didn't get paid. It was the first time I heard of food banks
I remember the miners strike, those were dire times for the strikers ..not able to feed their families or pay their bills..
My memory of the coal strikers were that that basically held the country hostage every winter and finally got a taste of their own medicine when Thatcher stockpiled coal and told them all to bugger off
I might be way off though "
Ah the days of Arthuer Scargill and Maggie Thatcher, and we all know who won that one.
Will Truss, assuming she becomes Prime Minister, be another Thatcher? No chance. |
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"It’s a good job I didn’t join fab for intellectual and philosophical debate.
Of course you don’t get paid when you choose to withhold your labour in pursuit of better wages or whatever. Why would you expect to be?
Some unions may have funds available to offer strike pay, but the only people who get full pay whilst involved in a strike are the full time union reps.
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Yes it is a good job but you will get there one day - I just know it. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"It’s a good job I didn’t join fab for intellectual and philosophical debate.
Of course you don’t get paid when you choose to withhold your labour in pursuit of better wages or whatever. Why would you expect to be?
Some unions may have funds available to offer strike pay, but the only people who get full pay whilst involved in a strike are the full time union reps.
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Correct
I have much more sympathy for sectors that don't strike but probably should - low paid private sector workers in hospitality , healthcare etc.
I’d just fire all striking train drivers and tell people they’ll just have to use busses and cars or work from home until we automate the trains . It would then be done in 3-5 years |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lots of companies don’t pay sick leave so not going to pay people on strike
I didn’t think that was legal (unless you’re talking about zero hours contracts)?"
Companies don't have to pay sick pay, sick pay is normally a good percentage of your normal pay upto %100, statutory sick pay is different the company legally has to pay this it kicks in after 3 day's, it's £99.35 before tax and national insurance contributions. |
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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago
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I am an employer and fooked if I would pay anyone to be on strike I pay them to do a job of work, where the heck do the employees think we can suddenly magic extra money from, far too much skiving goes on nowadays pissing about on mobile devices and playing on websites when they should be doing a job lol. |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands |
"I am an employer and fooked if I would pay anyone to be on strike I pay them to do a job of work, where the heck do the employees think we can suddenly magic extra money from, far too much skiving goes on nowadays pissing about on mobile devices and playing on websites when they should be doing a job lol."
33.200 members on here at present time, I wonder how many are on line at
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"I am an employer and fooked if I would pay anyone to be on strike I pay them to do a job of work, where the heck do the employees think we can suddenly magic extra money from, far too much skiving goes on nowadays pissing about on mobile devices and playing on websites when they should be doing a job lol."
Bring back the old days of disappearing with a clip board for hours or heading to the loo with the paper  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lots of companies don’t pay sick leave so not going to pay people on strike
Companies have no choice about paying Statutory Sick Pay (SSP) after 4 days off.
It’s £99.35 per week.
Just search SSP for info.
Still shouldn’t pay anything when people strike though."
I know about SSP as you said I doesn’t start straight away so if your sick couple of days as I said you don’t get paid. Also £99 a week not enough to cover most people lost earnings |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lots of companies don’t pay sick leave so not going to pay people on strike
I didn’t think that was legal (unless you’re talking about zero hours contracts)?"
Was at my last company 15 years never got sick pay even when I had bad cut needing stitches I took a week off as holiday. SSP is a very low amount less than a third of normal wages. |
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I don't think people on strike should get paid. It's meant to be about stopping the employer from functioning effectively not just draining them of cash.
I do, however, think that allowing employers to engage agency workers or contractors etc to break a strike should remain illegal. |
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"I have heard that some people have said that the japan model is a good one to follow. I dont know so much about it, do you?
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Is this where the employees continue to provide a service, for example drive a bus, but don't collect fares?
If so that is currently illegal in the UK. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yes ppl should be able to strike to get a fair deal for pay and conditions. The whole strike action is meant to cause unrest which makes the often greedy shareholders take note |
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"It’s a good job I didn’t join fab for intellectual and philosophical debate.
Of course you don’t get paid when you choose to withhold your labour in pursuit of better wages or whatever. Why would you expect to be?
Some unions may have funds available to offer strike pay, but the only people who get full pay whilst involved in a strike are the full time union reps.
Yes it is a good job but you will get there one day - I just know it. "
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I never knew people got paid when striking. I remember the miners strikes and how bad it got.
I have never really been in a union (except when I was a shop worker). It used to really annoy my dad that there was none.
He was old school and unions were important.
Back in his day ...he worked for Lucas, the unions were powerful.
Working conditions and pay were great.
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"I have heard that some people have said that the japan model is a good one to follow. I dont know so much about it, do you?
Is this where the employees continue to provide a service, for example drive a bus, but don't collect fares?
If so that is currently illegal in the UK."
I am not sure, but that could be it. I wonder if that would be a good idea in the uk? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"i thought the pay came from a union strike fund
Only for those in super hardship. They cant afford to pay all. Union leaders need to quietly make their millions"
Super hardship? Train drivers? Since when?? |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands |
"Yes ppl should be able to strike to get a fair deal for pay and conditions. The whole strike action is meant to cause unrest which makes the often greedy shareholders take note "
Those often so called greedy shareholders rely on dividends on their investments to maintain your pension fund, no dividends = reduced pension in the future. |
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By *valon7Woman
over a year ago
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"I am on a split view about it and cant really decide. I can see the argument over it from both the workers and the companys side, one example I think of the ones who have the most strikes are probably the train drivers, we have seen about 3 strikes within 2 months, even tho they are on a fairly good wage "
Ive heard its about £25 per day or even a week.I wasnt realy listening! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can confirm that the traincrew from my company do not get any pay when they do not attend work on strike days if they were booked to do so, they are marked as absent for that day.
It’s up to the respective union if they feel the person is deserving of any hardship payment but it’s certainly not the norm to receive it.
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"I was once deducted a day's pay because someone else went on strike . When I queried it with payroll they said never mind we'll make it up next month  . It was in my bank account the next day after I had 'words' "
Yes, that is not good, that it happened there. |
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