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So… GOT fans… House of the Dragon
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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After the ending of GoT I’ll wait and see what people are saying about it before I watch it. If the general consensus is that it’s good I’ll give it a go. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Won't watch it, or rather can't as dint have Sky, so hoping it pops up to buy on Amazon like the GoT episodes did.
Looking forward to it, read the book (re-reading again now) and IF they follow it it'll have more battles than GoT and more dragon action - the Dance of Dragons had at least 9 adult dragons with Dragon riders split between the opposing sides.
I do worry about the names confusing people though. Taragyan names are similar, there's Rhaenyra and Rhaena, there are two Aegons (Older and Younger), a Daemon (Matt Smith's character) and Daeron. And that's before you get into the Dragon names.
Seeing it has flashbacks (that GoT only did once) I'm hoping it shows some of Aegons Conquest and we see Balerion the Black Dread. If viewers thought Drogon was big in GoT, Balerion was two or three times bigger. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
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I am going to stick with it for at least the first season… remember how much of a slow burn it was at the start! I have faith because the show runners for this were the people who specifically did the longest night and the battle of hardholme episodes..
And just remember… don’t get attached to anyone as we know no one is safe in the GoT universe  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am going to stick with it for at least the first season… remember how much of a slow burn it was at the start! I have faith because the show runners for this were the people who specifically did the longest night and the battle of hardholme episodes..
And just remember… don’t get attached to anyone as we know no one is safe in the GoT universe "
Hoping Matt Smith’s character dies first. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've not read the book.
I'll give it a bash since GoT is my fave show, but after seeing how that ended I have been left feeling extremely unenthusiastic about anything that's even slightly related.  |
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Very excited about this although I'm not sure how much of it is adapted from the book and how much of it is in the producers head. GOT was the best thing ever for the first four series when it was based on the books but lost it's way a bit after that. |
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Not read the book and try to avoid spoilers. I will be watching.
I loved Game of Thrones, I was let down by the end, not how it ended, but how we got to the end.
A lot of people seem unhappy with the ending, I don't mind where we got to. It wouldn't have been my choice but my problem was how rushed it was.
And then they didn't even end up making star wars anyway!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've not read the book.
I'll give it a bash since GoT is my fave show, but after seeing how that ended I have been left feeling extremely unenthusiastic about anything that's even slightly related. "
This right here. I'm in the same position |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Everyone complains about how GoT ended, how did you honestly expect it to end? If you'd been paying attention for 7 seasons you'd know this is not a fairy tale, there is no happy ever after.
The two biggest issues people seem to have is it Jon is the rightful King and Dany going darkside.
The Jon being a Targaryan wasn't handled well within the show and seems to have been just dumped into the narrative last minute, there were very few hints leading to the reveal. In the books the reveal still hasn't happened (in the books Jon has just been killed) but R+L=J is common knowledge because of many hints peppered throughout the books.
Dany going darkside...come on pay attention, she's been crazy forever. She's obsessed with who she is and what's rightfully hers. She brutally killed the Masters of Astrapor and the Khals. She wants everyone to bend the knee to her and to have all her titles announced at every opportunity, brilliantly highlighted the first time she meets Jon Snow where all her titles are announced and Ser Davos just says "This is Jon Snow, the King in the North." That's all you needed to see the two sides of the Targaryan coin. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What a gorgeous first episode. I’m sold.  "
Yes!
I just finished watching first episode and I'm hooked already.
So visually beautiful! And gives me Game of Throne feelings all over again. I am looking forward to seeing how it goes.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Everyone complains about how GoT ended, how did you honestly expect it to end? If you'd been paying attention for 7 seasons you'd know this is not a fairy tale, there is no happy ever after.
The two biggest issues people seem to have is it Jon is the rightful King and Dany going darkside.
The Jon being a Targaryan wasn't handled well within the show and seems to have been just dumped into the narrative last minute, there were very few hints leading to the reveal. In the books the reveal still hasn't happened (in the books Jon has just been killed) but R+L=J is common knowledge because of many hints peppered throughout the books.
Dany going darkside...come on pay attention, she's been crazy forever. She's obsessed with who she is and what's rightfully hers. She brutally killed the Masters of Astrapor and the Khals. She wants everyone to bend the knee to her and to have all her titles announced at every opportunity, brilliantly highlighted the first time she meets Jon Snow where all her titles are announced and Ser Davos just says "This is Jon Snow, the King in the North." That's all you needed to see the two sides of the Targaryan coin."
I didn't mind the ending honestly, it's more so how much they rushed it that ruined it for me. I just felt like the characters didn't really have enough time to make it feel as special as the first few seasons.
I dunno, it was disappointing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I thought I'd wait and binge watch the entire season. No more staying up past midnight to watch the next episode every week. My only concern is how to avoid spoilers, anyone got any ideas please. |
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Contemporary nod to a lady having no agency over her body. Even a Queen.
Enjoyed it. Set things along nicely. I liked Matt Smiths character. Which is bad news as the ones I liked in the old GOT usually ended up dead |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Tom will watch it. He loves GOT because the despite the dip at the end we never knew who would be bumped off next.
I am with Fabio.. I will watch the whole of the first series.. "
Oooh dropped third person for first person there in mid flow! |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Everyone complains about how GoT ended, how did you honestly expect it to end? If you'd been paying attention for 7 seasons you'd know this is not a fairy tale, there is no happy ever after.
The two biggest issues people seem to have is it Jon is the rightful King and Dany going darkside.
The Jon being a Targaryan wasn't handled well within the show and seems to have been just dumped into the narrative last minute, there were very few hints leading to the reveal. In the books the reveal still hasn't happened (in the books Jon has just been killed) but R+L=J is common knowledge because of many hints peppered throughout the books.
Dany going darkside...come on pay attention, she's been crazy forever. She's obsessed with who she is and what's rightfully hers. She brutally killed the Masters of Astrapor and the Khals. She wants everyone to bend the knee to her and to have all her titles announced at every opportunity, brilliantly highlighted the first time she meets Jon Snow where all her titles are announced and Ser Davos just says "This is Jon Snow, the King in the North." That's all you needed to see the two sides of the Targaryan coin."
While it has become a bit of a trope to hate GOT series 8 (and indeed the later series post books) I think it was still good BUT...
The thing that was not Jon Snow = Rightful King or Dany “turning mad and evil” as both actually made sense. It was the speed it happened.
It was very very clear the showrunners had had enough and were eager to wrap up and move onto Star Wars (which didn’t work out in the end for them). We got a finale season that had less episodes. Important plot points got rushed. Series 8 just needed a bit more time to breathe and build to justify the character arcs. |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Everyone complains about how GoT ended, how did you honestly expect it to end? If you'd been paying attention for 7 seasons you'd know this is not a fairy tale, there is no happy ever after.
The two biggest issues people seem to have is it Jon is the rightful King and Dany going darkside.
The Jon being a Targaryan wasn't handled well within the show and seems to have been just dumped into the narrative last minute, there were very few hints leading to the reveal. In the books the reveal still hasn't happened (in the books Jon has just been killed) but R+L=J is common knowledge because of many hints peppered throughout the books.
Dany going darkside...come on pay attention, she's been crazy forever. She's obsessed with who she is and what's rightfully hers. She brutally killed the Masters of Astrapor and the Khals. She wants everyone to bend the knee to her and to have all her titles announced at every opportunity, brilliantly highlighted the first time she meets Jon Snow where all her titles are announced and Ser Davos just says "This is Jon Snow, the King in the North." That's all you needed to see the two sides of the Targaryan coin.
I didn't mind the ending honestly, it's more so how much they rushed it that ruined it for me. I just felt like the characters didn't really have enough time to make it feel as special as the first few seasons.
I dunno, it was disappointing."
Ha ha should have read the thread. Agreed! |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
South Wales |
"I watched it. I am now haunted by Matt Smith’s shagging face  how could you see his face past all the head wrinkles he looks like a shar pei  "
I just saw him pumping and his “ooo yeah” face and I just knew that’s how he shags in real life. Haunted I tell thee!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Everyone complains about how GoT ended, how did you honestly expect it to end? If you'd been paying attention for 7 seasons you'd know this is not a fairy tale, there is no happy ever after.
The two biggest issues people seem to have is it Jon is the rightful King and Dany going darkside.
The Jon being a Targaryan wasn't handled well within the show and seems to have been just dumped into the narrative last minute, there were very few hints leading to the reveal. In the books the reveal still hasn't happened (in the books Jon has just been killed) but R+L=J is common knowledge because of many hints peppered throughout the books.
Dany going darkside...come on pay attention, she's been crazy forever. She's obsessed with who she is and what's rightfully hers. She brutally killed the Masters of Astrapor and the Khals. She wants everyone to bend the knee to her and to have all her titles announced at every opportunity, brilliantly highlighted the first time she meets Jon Snow where all her titles are announced and Ser Davos just says "This is Jon Snow, the King in the North." That's all you needed to see the two sides of the Targaryan coin.
I didn't mind the ending honestly, it's more so how much they rushed it that ruined it for me. I just felt like the characters didn't really have enough time to make it feel as special as the first few seasons.
I dunno, it was disappointing."
Oh and don't forget how dark the episode was...I mean dark as in you had to adjust your brightness on the tv |
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By *irldnCouple
over a year ago
Brighton |
"Everyone complains about how GoT ended, how did you honestly expect it to end? If you'd been paying attention for 7 seasons you'd know this is not a fairy tale, there is no happy ever after.
The two biggest issues people seem to have is it Jon is the rightful King and Dany going darkside.
The Jon being a Targaryan wasn't handled well within the show and seems to have been just dumped into the narrative last minute, there were very few hints leading to the reveal. In the books the reveal still hasn't happened (in the books Jon has just been killed) but R+L=J is common knowledge because of many hints peppered throughout the books.
Dany going darkside...come on pay attention, she's been crazy forever. She's obsessed with who she is and what's rightfully hers. She brutally killed the Masters of Astrapor and the Khals. She wants everyone to bend the knee to her and to have all her titles announced at every opportunity, brilliantly highlighted the first time she meets Jon Snow where all her titles are announced and Ser Davos just says "This is Jon Snow, the King in the North." That's all you needed to see the two sides of the Targaryan coin.
I didn't mind the ending honestly, it's more so how much they rushed it that ruined it for me. I just felt like the characters didn't really have enough time to make it feel as special as the first few seasons.
I dunno, it was disappointing.
Oh and don't forget how dark the episode was...I mean dark as in you had to adjust your brightness on the tv"
Lol dark as in we don’t have quite enough budget to make this as truly epic as it needs to be do we will mask it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Watching Ep1 tonight eventhough original ending was a flop! Now looking forward to the Lord Of the Rings TV Show"
Ooh yes I can't wait for that!
And I know this is slightly off topic but I saw the teaser for The Last Of Us yesterday and it's going to be immense!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not even embarrassed to admit that when I was reading the books I got suuuuuuper into Targaryen/Westerosian history and fell down a major wiki rabbit hole.
Mind blowing how these fantasy authors manage to create such an intricate universe where it feels like actual history (dragons included) |
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact |
"Bloody loved it but watched it whilst drinking wine so might watch it again to make sure ive given it my full attention. Fantastic cast too.
Bring on ep 2 "
Funnily the casting was perhaps my biggest issue. I didn't like Paddy Considine in his role at all or the Queen. The characters seem a bit bland so far. I realise that they need to develop and it is only the first episode. But it feels very much like casting done by the BBC for a young adult series, like His Dark Materials or Amazon Prime's The Witcher or The Wheel of Time. I've a feeling the consciously woke casting decisions may put me off too as it goes on.
If peak Got was 9.5 and the final episodes were 5.5, the. I'd give HOTD's opener 6.5. Having said that, I probably needed to watch around three episodes of GoT before I had a feel for it. |
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I really can't stand Matt Smith, House of Dragons hasn't changed that, so far. I think that'll be a big issue for me personally going forward.
I enjoyed it, I think it'll take a while to get going. I hope it avoids some of the pitfalls that GoT fell into, in relation to slow pacing and a terrible final few episodes.
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact |
I had it on in the background again today.
The colour palette is different to GoT. It feels more like fantasy and less gritty like GoT.
The wigs are a bit off putting. Also the casting again. I think using unknown or lesser known actors would have been better. The King and his Hand in particular kept drawing my attention, more so than Matt Smith surprisingly.
The dragon CGI is noticeably sketchy during the scene when the bodies are burned.
I'd like to revise my score down to 6.0. |
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact |
I find the time jumps and pacing hard to establish a rhythm. Everything seems rushed but then you get an incredibly slow paced episode and then a multi year war is concluded swiftly with illogical strategy that has no realism. There is a story to tell but no development going on with the characters, who I mostly find to be dull. I find the singular focus rather than multiple plots of GoT less engaging.
I'll bear with it but it was a chore this week.
And RoP, I've yet to begin this as I have yet to hear a positive review, bar it looks good. And so it should being that expensive.
With Marvel disappearing up into its own arse hole, is it time for people to focus on more unique IP? So much good source material is being butchered. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Have to remember this is a one off story and not a series....there is no series 2"
There are 3-4 seasons. It is a story that spans 30 years.
Season 1 is the build up to the Dance of Dragons. With huge time jumps.season 2 has already been approved for renewal.
The actual war/Dance of Dragons only lasts 2-3 years after the death of Viserys, and will likely make up the bulk of what follows after season 1.
Ryan Condol (showrunner) said his 3 favourite dragon designs are of the 3 wild dragons The Cannibal, Sheepstealer, and Grey Ghost. One of which plays a very important role in the story but we won't see it in season 1. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I find the time jumps and pacing hard to establish a rhythm. Everything seems rushed but then you get an incredibly slow paced episode and then a multi year war is concluded swiftly with illogical strategy that has no realism. There is a story to tell but no development going on with the characters, who I mostly find to be dull. I find the singular focus rather than multiple plots of GoT less engaging."
It is based upon a book that reads as a collection of points of view of events in a history book. What happens is extremely interesting, but because it is essentially plot points lacking details they are having to fill lots in. As I said above the whole story lasts 30 years and a lot of major events have huge gaps between, compared to game of thrones/song of ice and fire being detailed inner monologue of multiple characters giving a fleshed out story.
The time jumps will stop in the next few episodes I think and should only happen between seasons. |
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact |
"I find the time jumps and pacing hard to establish a rhythm. Everything seems rushed but then you get an incredibly slow paced episode and then a multi year war is concluded swiftly with illogical strategy that has no realism. There is a story to tell but no development going on with the characters, who I mostly find to be dull. I find the singular focus rather than multiple plots of GoT less engaging.
It is based upon a book that reads as a collection of points of view of events in a history book. What happens is extremely interesting, but because it is essentially plot points lacking details they are having to fill lots in. As I said above the whole story lasts 30 years and a lot of major events have huge gaps between, compared to game of thrones/song of ice and fire being detailed inner monologue of multiple characters giving a fleshed out story.
The time jumps will stop in the next few episodes I think and should only happen between seasons. "
Thanks. I appreciate the reply. I am no hardcore fan and I have never read the books but find the back stories I have come across interesting. It is a rich cohesive world. But I'm not sure whether it is all conducive to a screen adaptation. Sacrifices have to be made somewhere. I am only sticking with this due to the high ceiling for improvement set by the standards of GoT.
Despite all my negativity towards the show so far, I have to say that I don't Matt Smith's presence at all in contrast to quite a few viewers. |
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I've not read the book so don't know the intricacies of where it's going. And I purposely try to avoid book spoliers.
But pacing has been slow! Especially last episode.
That being said, pacing in Games of Thrones season 1, especially first 3 episodes was also slow!
I'll keep with it, and I'm enjoying the actors more than the characters at the moment. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"This was definitely the best episode yet.
I've realised why I'm not that into it though, there's no one that I find likable.
There's no one to root for at the minute. "
That's the beauty of House of the Dragon, nobody is pure good or evil.
In GoT you had your clear heroes aligned with good - Starks, for the majority Daenerys, and generally those that aligned with them.
Nobody in HotD is anything but grey area. Okay, a few characters will come close to being good/bad but nobody that can be locked down as a villain. They are all just as capable of good deeds as they are bad. At best you can consider the king the most noble of them all, but even he in the first episode was questionable in choices. Plus he is the ostrich king, head in the sand.
Even Daemon is not evil, he is extremely amoral like Jamie Lannister was, except Jamie didn't know he was. Daemon is very aware, he thrives in chaos.
The show is intending for people to jump ship and switch sides on who we place our support constantly throughout its run. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it time to admit this just isn't very good? woah???
Are you not loving it?!?!
I think this has the potential to be better than GoT"
I'm bored out my fucking mind.
Can't stand these new actors either. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it time to admit this just isn't very good? woah???
Are you not loving it?!?!
I think this has the potential to be better than GoT
I'm bored out my fucking mind.
Can't stand these new actors either. "
Ha. Look at that. I guess we don’t suit.
Fairs |
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact |
I find HOTD quite interesting now. It's got a very different rhythm to Got and even the aesthetics are dissimilar. The earlier episodes had me hating it and I was watching just so that I could find reasons to bash it. But I have changed my tune. It is enjoyable to watch, but only if you view it as something separate to GoT. Don't expect the same as they're different beasts in many respects. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m watching, but I’m not enjoying it.
The acting is awful at times. They have casted a few edgy actors like Paddy Considine and Rhys Efans and made them so fucking bland.
The plot is dull.
Not even 10% as good as GOT.
It’s crap |
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
London/Essex... ish... Romford to be exact |
"I gave up last night. The change in actors did it for me. I know it had to be done but it didn’t work for me."
I get what you mean. It can seem a bit jarring and some characters age and some don't. It's more challenging to establish rapport. And to the poster above, I agree with your point also, initially at least. But HOTD appears to be more about events than characters, which is ironic in a way seeing as GOT squeezed so much action in as well as rich characters.
One thing I think which can't be contested is that GOT had far better casting. |
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"Latest episode
4/5 for me.
I don’t care how manny seasons I have to wait, I’m going to love watching Alicent lose in the end. "
Everybody looses in the end.
They way they are flying through the years with this series makes me wonder if later seasons are going to focus on different Targs in different eras. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This week's episode was the best so far imo.
Not sure if it was the time jump of the new cast but the characters really started to feel more fleshed out and less one tone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I liked the episode. But I'm not really loving any of the characters. I do like Emma Cooke as Alicent but I might be biased as I really like her in general! But other than that I'm only enjoying Viserys but I'm guessing he will soon be gone.
I can't see the resemblance between Milly and Emma and wouldn't have been able to even tell it was her if they didn't make it obvious! Anyone else find that?
It's definitely not the same level as Game of Thrones but I'm really enjoying it so far.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Latest episode
4/5 for me.
I don’t care how manny seasons I have to wait, I’m going to love watching Alicent lose in the end.
Everybody looses in the end.
They way they are flying through the years with this series makes me wonder if later seasons are going to focus on different Targs in different eras. "
Well, everyone loses but there’s a Targaryen that sits on the throne after and I would say that side wins 
I hoped they would cover up to Aerys the mad king but watched a video that said that wont happen. The civil war is long and covers a lot more that I think we'd need some more time jumps for - we’re getting older versions of the kids right? And arent we even supposed to get grandkids of Allicent? I imagine it is all about 5/6 seasons worth if done properly (including a few time jumps but I would hope they do some time jumps at the end of seasons rather than constantly throughout. It works for season 1 but cant see it beyond that). |
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"Latest episode
4/5 for me.
I don’t care how manny seasons I have to wait, I’m going to love watching Alicent lose in the end.
Everybody looses in the end.
They way they are flying through the years with this series makes me wonder if later seasons are going to focus on different Targs in different eras.
Well, everyone loses but there’s a Targaryen that sits on the throne after and I would say that side wins
I hoped they would cover up to Aerys the mad king but watched a video that said that wont happen. The civil war is long and covers a lot more that I think we'd need some more time jumps for - we’re getting older versions of the kids right? And arent we even supposed to get grandkids of Allicent? I imagine it is all about 5/6 seasons worth if done properly (including a few time jumps but I would hope they do some time jumps at the end of seasons rather than constantly throughout. It works for season 1 but cant see it beyond that). "
Blackfyre rebellions next I reckon, then maybe Dunc and Egg? |
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"Is it time to admit this just isn't very good? woah???
Are you not loving it?!?!
I think this has the potential to be better than GoT
I'm bored out my fucking mind.
Can't stand these new actors either. "
I think I'm there. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Away for Christmas |
"Latest episode
4/5 for me.
I don’t care how manny seasons I have to wait, I’m going to love watching Alicent lose in the end.
Everybody looses in the end.
They way they are flying through the years with this series makes me wonder if later seasons are going to focus on different Targs in different eras.
Well, everyone loses but there’s a Targaryen that sits on the throne after and I would say that side wins
I hoped they would cover up to Aerys the mad king but watched a video that said that wont happen. The civil war is long and covers a lot more that I think we'd need some more time jumps for - we’re getting older versions of the kids right? And arent we even supposed to get grandkids of Allicent? I imagine it is all about 5/6 seasons worth if done properly (including a few time jumps but I would hope they do some time jumps at the end of seasons rather than constantly throughout. It works for season 1 but cant see it beyond that). "
There should be 1 more major time jump, well a few years of 5 or so.
Then the remainder of the story only lasts (on the show) 2-3 years, from the start of the physical hostilities to the end. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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It's a weird one how they went about telling the story.
Based upon the way the book is written it leaves lots of room for interpretation, and reading between lines, and filling in the blanks. So time jumps in places made sense, mostly because not a lot of eventful things happen but better character development could have been made.
The chunk of the civil war story only lasts a couple of years but in that time a lot of shit goes down on the level of the original GoT series, and potentially more intense - Blood and Cheese... If you know! |
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"It's a weird one how they went about telling the story.
Based upon the way the book is written it leaves lots of room for interpretation, and reading between lines, and filling in the blanks. So time jumps in places made sense, mostly because not a lot of eventful things happen but better character development could have been made.
The chunk of the civil war story only lasts a couple of years but in that time a lot of shit goes down on the level of the original GoT series, and potentially more intense - Blood and Cheese... If you know! "
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"Will you be watching it as of Monday?
Are you going in blind or have you read the book?
Is there anyone who is going in without having watched game of thrones? "
This is brilliant . When ? Where ? Can’t wait .
Is it produced my same writers n directors ?
Same studio n crew ?
Hope is not a pile of cheesy cheap crap …
GOT was top English theatre class . Massive rich cast . And was that that made me love the show .
Was the best acting series show I ever seen .
I loved GOT . Watched it all about 4 times .
And the mother of dragons… that petite lady I would tell her a story I think a lot of us would
 and that Queen who had a gay brother having sex with her King then married Jeffrey
She is hot , her eyes xx oh my oh my …
And the red hair , the team leader of the hookers in bourdel…
That’s it … a sweet lovely FFFM
You GOT this
Oh … of course the lady darker skin beauty, who ended being Galissy adviser
She decently gets a VIP golden membership card xx front of the queue FFFFM
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"I’ve never see a single episode or even a clip from GoT is it good?"
Is massive . Has a lot of boring politics bla bla bla ….
Specially series 4 ( I think ) is particularly slooooow
But exciting
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
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"Latest episode is SO SO good. "
It was good... Similar quality to previous episode. Although I am not a fan of the dark night scenes which they did in the final GoT series too. The show is taking on its own personality, distinguishing itself from GoT. The former disguised itself from the fantasy genre whereas HOTD embraces it fully. Another time jump next week! |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Latest episode is SO SO good.
It was good... Similar quality to previous episode. Although I am not a fan of the dark night scenes which they did in the final GoT series too. The show is taking on its own personality, distinguishing itself from GoT. The former disguised itself from the fantasy genre whereas HOTD embraces it fully. Another time jump next week! "
Indeed. So much of the fantasy stuff missing from GoT, which was a strange decision based upon how much more they leaned in to the White Walkers compared to the books.
Notice how very similar the 2nd half of the episode was a callback to the 2nd episode of season one of GoT. The King having to deal with the petty squabbles back and forth between his wife and daughter/best friend.
Should be the final time jump, as everything is starting to slowly transition in to the actual war. In standard GoT tradition, Episode 9 should be the thing that kicks it off, and episode 10 being the analysis of sorts of what happened in 9. With season 2 onwards (however many that may be) being the bulk of the war itself.
As far as I know this episode was directed by Miguel Sapochnik, the same guy who directed The Long Night episode in GoT. It's his thing.
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"Not even embarrassed to admit that when I was reading the books I got suuuuuuper into Targaryen/Westerosian history and fell down a major wiki rabbit hole.
Mind blowing how these fantasy authors manage to create such an intricate universe where it feels like actual history (dragons included) "
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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This week's episode was a whole other level from what we not only get from the world of Westeros but pretty much any other show on TV in the same or similar genre right now or in a very long time.
Exceptionally and extremely great. |
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"This week's episode was a whole other level from what we not only get from the world of Westeros but pretty much any other show on TV in the same or similar genre right now or in a very long time.
Exceptionally and extremely great. "
I agree, It has to be one of the top 3 episodes of all shows of all time I have ever seen. |
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Best episode of the season so far.
Paddy Considine has been sublime as Viserys.
The time jumps have not helped my familiarise myself with the younger crop of characters. Who keep changing episode to episode, once that settles down, I think I'll be fine. I've struggled with the pacing 'slightly' but overall its a been a very, very good season.
Its confident show running. They're diverting just enough from the books to make interesting.
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Loved this weeks episode. Can’t stand Alicent and her children which just shows how could of actors they are "
Alicent is not all that bad. With the exception of her father's manipulation about things, she is generally a good person.
The story essentially comes down to the falling out of childhood friends. Look at the way Rhaenyra treated Alicent once her father decided to marry. Then from THAT night Rhae lied to Alicent, or as good as when all she wanted to do was help.
You have Alicent who does things by the book, follows the rules and then you have Rhaenyra doing as she pleases, breaking rules and for the most part getting away with it.
Trying to avoid spoilers, but even if they were to make up at this point, the ball is already rolling and the rivalry is part of their kids now. Though Rhaenyra's kids are brought up much better, they are no angels. Aegon and Aemond are twats. Well Aegon is a much less sadistic Jeoffry, and Aemond was bullied by them and he went too far with his toughening up. He is very much a young Daemon, thrives in chaos. The casting choice to have him look like Matt Smith was certainly intentional.
The main reason for the rivalry to continue comes down to what Otto said. Essentially if Rhaenyra takes the throne then Alicent's kids may very well be killed due to being a threat to the throne. While the reverse is also true, if Aegon takes the throne Rhaenyra and her children would be killed.
It is very much a Cobra Kai early season in a sense that nobody that the rivalry revolves around are bad people (yet...) but misunderstandings and minor fallings out that escelate. |
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I agree best episode of the season so far. I'm now finding myself loving all the characters even more, even though time jumps can make you feel like you've missed development in a way.
I was like that with Game of Thrones when I think about it. I would say it took me a season or so before I'd properly bond with characters.
Paddy Considine was fantastic though! I was bawling my eyes out watching it, so moving and sad. You can most certainly tell some crazy shit is going to go down in the next few episodes. |
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"Loved this weeks episode. Can’t stand Alicent and her children which just shows how could of actors they are
Alicent is not all that bad. With the exception of her father's manipulation about things, she is generally a good person.
The story essentially comes down to the falling out of childhood friends. Look at the way Rhaenyra treated Alicent once her father decided to marry. Then from THAT night Rhae lied to Alicent, or as good as when all she wanted to do was help.
You have Alicent who does things by the book, follows the rules and then you have Rhaenyra doing as she pleases, breaking rules and for the most part getting away with it.
Trying to avoid spoilers, but even if they were to make up at this point, the ball is already rolling and the rivalry is part of their kids now. Though Rhaenyra's kids are brought up much better, they are no angels. Aegon and Aemond are twats. Well Aegon is a much less sadistic Jeoffry, and Aemond was bullied by them and he went too far with his toughening up. He is very much a young Daemon, thrives in chaos. The casting choice to have him look like Matt Smith was certainly intentional.
The main reason for the rivalry to continue comes down to what Otto said. Essentially if Rhaenyra takes the throne then Alicent's kids may very well be killed due to being a threat to the throne. While the reverse is also true, if Aegon takes the throne Rhaenyra and her children would be killed.
It is very much a Cobra Kai early season in a sense that nobody that the rivalry revolves around are bad people (yet...) but misunderstandings and minor fallings out that escelate. "
I love reading your input on this thread! It's always so interesting hearing your thoughts knowing you are so familiar with it all. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Best episode of the season so far.
Paddy Considine has been sublime as Viserys.
The time jumps have not helped my familiarise myself with the younger crop of characters. Who keep changing episode to episode, once that settles down, I think I'll be fine. I've struggled with the pacing 'slightly' but overall its a been a very, very good season.
Its confident show running. They're diverting just enough from the books to make interesting.
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Major time jumps as are over now. The Dance is about to begin.
It was a bold move to have the time jumps, the back story needed to be told and set up but other than those main plot points we saw, nothing of note ever really happens for years and it was no easy task to pull off. Even though some struggled with the jumps, they did what they could and made it work.
The show is far superior to the book, though that's largely because its told as a recording of history from at times unreliable sources. The story being told is great. I'm not disappointed with any change made so far that I can think of. Some of the changes are not really changes either, just picking one of the rumours/points of view from the book and making that the true way it happened. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Loved this weeks episode. Can’t stand Alicent and her children which just shows how could of actors they are
Alicent is not all that bad. With the exception of her father's manipulation about things, she is generally a good person.
The story essentially comes down to the falling out of childhood friends. Look at the way Rhaenyra treated Alicent once her father decided to marry. Then from THAT night Rhae lied to Alicent, or as good as when all she wanted to do was help.
You have Alicent who does things by the book, follows the rules and then you have Rhaenyra doing as she pleases, breaking rules and for the most part getting away with it.
Trying to avoid spoilers, but even if they were to make up at this point, the ball is already rolling and the rivalry is part of their kids now. Though Rhaenyra's kids are brought up much better, they are no angels. Aegon and Aemond are twats. Well Aegon is a much less sadistic Jeoffry, and Aemond was bullied by them and he went too far with his toughening up. He is very much a young Daemon, thrives in chaos. The casting choice to have him look like Matt Smith was certainly intentional.
The main reason for the rivalry to continue comes down to what Otto said. Essentially if Rhaenyra takes the throne then Alicent's kids may very well be killed due to being a threat to the throne. While the reverse is also true, if Aegon takes the throne Rhaenyra and her children would be killed.
It is very much a Cobra Kai early season in a sense that nobody that the rivalry revolves around are bad people (yet...) but misunderstandings and minor fallings out that escelate.
I love reading your input on this thread! It's always so interesting hearing your thoughts knowing you are so familiar with it all. "
Thank you! I'm just a huge nerd when it comes to writers like Tolkien and George R.R. Martin. The detail they put in to not only their characters but also their world and the history of it just pulls me in. More so with Song of Ice and Fire, the way it is extremely close to the brutality of the real world but has just enough magic, monsters, and dragons to keep that bit of fantasy away from reality and just being a medieval drama. |
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"Loved this weeks episode. Can’t stand Alicent and her children which just shows how could of actors they are
Alicent is not all that bad. With the exception of her father's manipulation about things, she is generally a good person.
The story essentially comes down to the falling out of childhood friends. Look at the way Rhaenyra treated Alicent once her father decided to marry. Then from THAT night Rhae lied to Alicent, or as good as when all she wanted to do was help.
You have Alicent who does things by the book, follows the rules and then you have Rhaenyra doing as she pleases, breaking rules and for the most part getting away with it.
Trying to avoid spoilers, but even if they were to make up at this point, the ball is already rolling and the rivalry is part of their kids now. Though Rhaenyra's kids are brought up much better, they are no angels. Aegon and Aemond are twats. Well Aegon is a much less sadistic Jeoffry, and Aemond was bullied by them and he went too far with his toughening up. He is very much a young Daemon, thrives in chaos. The casting choice to have him look like Matt Smith was certainly intentional.
The main reason for the rivalry to continue comes down to what Otto said. Essentially if Rhaenyra takes the throne then Alicent's kids may very well be killed due to being a threat to the throne. While the reverse is also true, if Aegon takes the throne Rhaenyra and her children would be killed.
It is very much a Cobra Kai early season in a sense that nobody that the rivalry revolves around are bad people (yet...) but misunderstandings and minor fallings out that escelate.
I love reading your input on this thread! It's always so interesting hearing your thoughts knowing you are so familiar with it all.
Thank you! I'm just a huge nerd when it comes to writers like Tolkien and George R.R. Martin. The detail they put in to not only their characters but also their world and the history of it just pulls me in. More so with Song of Ice and Fire, the way it is extremely close to the brutality of the real world but has just enough magic, monsters, and dragons to keep that bit of fantasy away from reality and just being a medieval drama. "
Yes it's mind blowing actually when you think about all the details that connect and tie to each other. I'd love to have a mind that is capable of such magic and beauty.
I've only read the ASOIAF books and that was such a long time ago. I wish I could get back into reading again.
But yes, keep posting here with your thoughts because I do truly enjoy reading what you have to say!  |
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Decent episode. Loved Rhaenys on the beast beneath the boards Helena was telling us about.
Not ready to watch Aemond start killing next week. Definitely going to need to be held after the finale but It’s set up nicely. I love this show, man |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Decent episode. Loved Rhaenys on the beast beneath the boards Helena was telling us about.
Not ready to watch Aemond start killing next week. Definitely going to need to be held after the finale but It’s set up nicely. I love this show, man "
It is a bit of shame they went for grand spectacle over logic, as good as it looked. If that scene played out slightly different it would have been just as impactful without the Michael bay boom. I mean so many innocents hurt or worse.
I'm so happy they are leaning in to the thing about Alicent not being power hungry, giving both sides some sense of being relatable. Until next week when shit goes down and there is no coming back from what gets done. |
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"Decent episode. Loved Rhaenys on the beast beneath the boards Helena was telling us about.
Not ready to watch Aemond start killing next week. Definitely going to need to be held after the finale but It’s set up nicely. I love this show, man
It is a bit of shame they went for grand spectacle over logic, as good as it looked. If that scene played out slightly different it would have been just as impactful without the Michael bay boom. I mean so many innocents hurt or worse.
I'm so happy they are leaning in to the thing about Alicent not being power hungry, giving both sides some sense of being relatable. Until next week when shit goes down and there is no coming back from what gets done. "
Next week I’ll be in mourning.
Season 2 when they do Blood and Cheese. That’ll be the start of some mad shit. Probably episode one I reckon too?
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"Decent episode. Loved Rhaenys on the beast beneath the boards Helena was telling us about.
Not ready to watch Aemond start killing next week. Definitely going to need to be held after the finale but It’s set up nicely. I love this show, man
It is a bit of shame they went for grand spectacle over logic, as good as it looked. If that scene played out slightly different it would have been just as impactful without the Michael bay boom. I mean so many innocents hurt or worse.
I'm so happy they are leaning in to the thing about Alicent not being power hungry, giving both sides some sense of being relatable. Until next week when shit goes down and there is no coming back from what gets done.
Next week I’ll be in mourning.
Season 2 when they do Blood and Cheese. That’ll be the start of some mad shit. Probably episode one I reckon too?
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Depending on pacing of the episode and how quickly events play out I could potentially see Blood and Cheese happening next week, though unlikely because that would be far too rushed.
Blood and Cheese for an episode 1 though... Starting off with a bang, but that is usually episode 9 level stuff. It's place in the story does not sit the usual episodic formula!
Also depending on how to actually do the scene (whenever that is) I can see a lot of more sensitive people not sticking around after that. |
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"Decent episode. Loved Rhaenys on the beast beneath the boards Helena was telling us about.
Not ready to watch Aemond start killing next week. Definitely going to need to be held after the finale but It’s set up nicely. I love this show, man
It is a bit of shame they went for grand spectacle over logic, as good as it looked. If that scene played out slightly different it would have been just as impactful without the Michael bay boom. I mean so many innocents hurt or worse.
I'm so happy they are leaning in to the thing about Alicent not being power hungry, giving both sides some sense of being relatable. Until next week when shit goes down and there is no coming back from what gets done.
Next week I’ll be in mourning.
Season 2 when they do Blood and Cheese. That’ll be the start of some mad shit. Probably episode one I reckon too?
Depending on pacing of the episode and how quickly events play out I could potentially see Blood and Cheese happening next week, though unlikely because that would be far too rushed.
Blood and Cheese for an episode 1 though... Starting off with a bang, but that is usually episode 9 level stuff. It's place in the story does not sit the usual episodic formula!
Also depending on how to actually do the scene (whenever that is) I can see a lot of more sensitive people not sticking around after that. "
yeah I feel like it’sa lot for a start of the season. But maybe like a lesser Arya Killing the Freys?
Also I hear you on people not sticking around but we saw Jon kill was it Ollie? And Jamie push bran out the window in episode 1 of the whole show . |
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over a year ago
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"Good episode. Was tense.
This thread is getting a bit spoilery my eyes had to dart. "
Yeah trying to avoid heavy details.
Thing is 90% of what happened this episode didn't actually happen in the books. So even book readers may end up with surprises. |
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"Looking forward to reactions of this one. Was actually leaked online last week, so I've been sitting on this since watching it.
LBC may be pleased I have quite a bit to say this time "
I've not watched it yet! But I'm so excited. |
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Ah I know dragons aren't real but the way they make me feel is ridiculous. My eyes genuinely light up.
I loved the episode. It's so bloody good even without much action. I let out a big gasp at the end. Now do we really have to wait TWO YEARS? |
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"Ah I know dragons aren't real but the way they make me feel is ridiculous. My eyes genuinely light up.
I loved the episode. It's so bloody good even without much action. I let out a big gasp at the end. Now do we really have to wait TWO YEARS?"
Is that serious... 2 years ?. Episode 10 was brilliant.. 2 years. Nooooooo |
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Still re-watching Rhaenys....like a Boss!!
I need an entrance and exit like that.
I also probably need that level of self-control because my dragon would have definitely Dracarys the Greens if given that chance.
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"Still re-watching Rhaenys....like a Boss!!
I need an entrance and exit like that.
I also probably need that level of self-control because my dragon would have definitely Dracarys the Greens if given that chance.
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"Also Matt smith- what an actor!!!"
the whole cast is great, in both acting skill and actual casting choice.
But Matt Daemon is just a whole other level compared to everyone else. Some are good at it, but Matt can put so much character in to just a look.
And of course special mention for Paddy the peaceful being the heart of a scene of an old sick man walking across a room, giving more emotion, heart, intensity, and entertainment than pretty much any other TV show recently. |
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Last few episodes were excellent.
First few were dull. And in the context of the time shifts, rather pointless.
In my opinion it would have been more impactful and better if we spent more time with the older cast, storylines from the first few episodes could have been filled in with one line of dialogue.
It was the first act of a film stretched over 10 episodes.
I'm all for patient storytelling, the last two seasons of game of thrones were damaged because of rushing. But remember when they stretched the Hobbit over 3 massive films and it was boring. So hopefully they have enough ammo to keep it going at a pace next season. |
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I really enjoyed this series, it has set the scene for an explosive second series. If I’m being critical then throughout the 10 episodes there was to much plotting in draughty castles and not enough action.
I thought Rhaenerys was a fantastic character so different to her descendent some 200 years into the future, clearly a sane Targaryen! Although the final scenes when she learned of her son’s death clearly pointed to a change to a war footing.
It’s set up so well to develop the whole story in future series but I really think that Daemon should not be trusted! |
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"Last few episodes were excellent.
First few were dull. And in the context of the time shifts, rather pointless.
In my opinion it would have been more impactful and better if we spent more time with the older cast, storylines from the first few episodes could have been filled in with one line of dialogue.
It was the first act of a film stretched over 10 episodes.
I'm all for patient storytelling, the last two seasons of game of thrones were damaged because of rushing. But remember when they stretched the Hobbit over 3 massive films and it was boring. So hopefully they have enough ammo to keep it going at a pace next season. "
But by skipping the build up, which was pretty critical to see character development. There were key moments in the early years that solidify quite a lot that is to come moving forward but other than those key moments not much happens. Show, don't tell is so important in TV and movies that is being lost. TV shows these days insult the intelligence of the audience by hand holding through the plot by either making it simple and reducing important moments to quick lines or by spewing out exposition dialogue and no visual indication of what we are being told.
There were 3 main paths they could have taken.
The one they did - had its difficulties due to time skips in general but they pulled it off great, though not perfect. It was a bold choice, but it was the correct choice for this story.
The one that skipped the early years and tried to stretch the start of the war in to 10 episodes. The only really good way to end season 1 was the way it did end, with the act that started the war (George wanted 13 episode seasons). We would have missed out everything that made Viserys who he was and the impact that episode had.
The one that made season 1 all about the early years. Which I'd not have hated but so little of interest happens other than as said key moments. A few of those moments could have been given more time and additional detail like the relationship of Rhaenyra and Ser Cole. Even then there is not a big season ending event that would be able to take place to raise the stakes and give a feeling of it having been earned. |
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I still think that could have been shown, over the course of five episodes. It seemed the driver was to end the season on the brink of war as the end of the first act. Which meant a lot of filler to stretch us to that point.
You've read the books so you are watching with different eyes to someone who hasn't. And the show has got to cater to both of those audiences.
Obviously I'm not calling for Basil Exposition to pop up every couple of minutes, but the whole Rhaenyra and Alicant previously being friends could have been summed up in a line, or over less screen time.
There is another path they could have taken and that's to have told the backstory in flashback. That way we could have gotten used to older Rhaenyra and still learnt of her back story, but had a stronger connection to the older characters.
It was a difficult act to follow and I think they've done well. I look forward to rewatching the whole season and might find the earlier parts more interesting in hindsight. |
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"I really enjoyed this series, it has set the scene for an explosive second series. If I’m being critical then throughout the 10 episodes there was to much plotting in draughty castles and not enough action.
I thought Rhaenerys was a fantastic character so different to her descendent some 200 years into the future, clearly a sane Targaryen! Although the final scenes when she learned of her son’s death clearly pointed to a change to a war footing.
It’s set up so well to develop the whole story in future series but I really think that Daemon should not be trusted!"
Giggle at sane Targaryen. |
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"Ah I know dragons aren't real but the way they make me feel is ridiculous. My eyes genuinely light up.
I loved the episode. It's so bloody good even without much action. I let out a big gasp at the end. Now do we really have to wait TWO YEARS?"
I feel the same about Legolas and Geralt...or maybe that's the actors that played them. lol! |
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