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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
An 87 year old man fell in his garden and broke his pelvis etc. The ambulance call centre told the family they must not move him. He waited 11 hours for an ambulance and when it started raining the family had to build a makeshift shelter out of a football goal, tarpaulin and umbrellas. The photograph makes it look like something out of the Jungle camp in Calais..
Outrageous says Tom |
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This kind of thing has been going on for some time. It is much worse now though.
My mum was ill for many years and I'd say the number of times she received dreadful care was equal to the number of times she received outstanding care. The quality deteriorated in later years especially post pandemic. It was rarely the individuals, more often the system.
A good news story though. I was diagnosed with a macular hole April/May, was seen by a consultant within a week and had surgery in July. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We had a similar situation here when the lady next door fell and broke her hip. The actual NHS staff do the best they can, but staffing levels are so low it means that it's the patients who have to wait to be seen.
A friend went to A&E a short while ago and had a 14 hour wait. The department was so full they ended up having to turn people away. The care and attention he got when he did get seen though was 100%.
Someone I know works in the hospital, he says there's enough staff to just about cover the hours. If someone is on holiday or off sick (that week there were 13 off with covid) or if there's an unexpected emergency, then there's no extra cover |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I hate to say it Tom, but toriesi wonder what would happen tho if nobody voted for anyone
Bad things I imagine. Personally I feel that voting should be compulsory as well political education"
but i dont want to i dont like em there all liers and cranks |
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"I hate to say it Tom, but toriesi wonder what would happen tho if nobody voted for anyone
Bad things I imagine. Personally I feel that voting should be compulsory as well political educationbut i dont want to i dont like em there all liers and cranks "
Then we shall have one party, the great party, the party for the people and all other parties will be banned  |
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I got excellent care in A&E earlier this week. Unfortunately the outcome was to confirm diagnoses that have been ignored/missed by doctors over many years and the outcome? I'd better get used to severe, intractable pain and I'd better start saving up, because no-one is going to provide a penny of grant funding to help modify our house. Still waiting for my new wheelchair, that we're paying £4500 ourselves for too (NHS wheelchair vouchers do not cover my situation).
Etc.
The misdiagnoses or ignoring of my reports of pain started when I was a child, btw. Here I am now, a disabled 36yo woman who would rather not be here, than live like this forever. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I hate to say it Tom, but toriesi wonder what would happen tho if nobody voted for anyone
Bad things I imagine. Personally I feel that voting should be compulsory as well political educationbut i dont want to i dont like em there all liers and cranks
Then we shall have one party, the great party, the party for the people and all other parties will be banned "
but i dont go to partys i dont like people |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"I hate to say it Tom, but toriesi wonder what would happen tho if nobody voted for anyone
Bad things I imagine. Personally I feel that voting should be compulsory as well political education"
Dr, Tom knows what you mean but you want the order reversed. Dr wants political education aka political re-education or indoctrination followed by compulsory voting for one chosen party.
Tom can sniff a red under the bed at ten paces. In this case we have a Doctor under the bed. |
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By *ilyWoman
over a year ago
Slough |
We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist |
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"I hate to say it Tom, but toriesi wonder what would happen tho if nobody voted for anyone
Bad things I imagine. Personally I feel that voting should be compulsory as well political education
Dr, Tom knows what you mean but you want the order reversed. Dr wants political education aka political re-education or indoctrination followed by compulsory voting for one chosen party.
Tom can sniff a red under the bed at ten paces. In this case we have a Doctor under the bed."
Me a socialist?! I dont know what gave you that impression Tom |
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"I hate to say it Tom, but toriesi wonder what would happen tho if nobody voted for anyone
Bad things I imagine. Personally I feel that voting should be compulsory as well political education"
And performance related pay for PM's- set out their goals for the term and they get paid as they hit them- and all back handers and deals should be openly declared up front |
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The NHS is a black hole we just keep throwing money at!!
For instance ….Clinical Commissioning Groups have gone. Replaced by Integrated Care Boards which now includes the budgets for both Secondary care (hospitals) and Primary care (GP surgeries)
Primary care is picking up the H U G E deficit in Secondary care so you will now find the cuts at your local GP practice are funding that deficit at your local hospital.
And guess what! It all has to be rebranded costing hundreds of thousands of pounds 
That’s NHS governance for you ….. |
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"I got excellent care in A&E earlier this week. Unfortunately the outcome was to confirm diagnoses that have been ignored/missed by doctors over many years and the outcome? I'd better get used to severe, intractable pain and I'd better start saving up, because no-one is going to provide a penny of grant funding to help modify our house. Still waiting for my new wheelchair, that we're paying £4500 ourselves for too (NHS wheelchair vouchers do not cover my situation).
Etc.
The misdiagnoses or ignoring of my reports of pain started when I was a child, btw. Here I am now, a disabled 36yo woman who would rather not be here, than live like this forever. "
Not sure what to say because I can't do anything but I hear you. |
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"I got excellent care in A&E earlier this week. Unfortunately the outcome was to confirm diagnoses that have been ignored/missed by doctors over many years and the outcome? I'd better get used to severe, intractable pain and I'd better start saving up, because no-one is going to provide a penny of grant funding to help modify our house. Still waiting for my new wheelchair, that we're paying £4500 ourselves for too (NHS wheelchair vouchers do not cover my situation).
Etc.
The misdiagnoses or ignoring of my reports of pain started when I was a child, btw. Here I am now, a disabled 36yo woman who would rather not be here, than live like this forever.
Not sure what to say because I can't do anything but I hear you. "
Thank you. |
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As others have said it's been failing a long time! My mum died 15 years ago! My stepdad called docs twice both times they refused to come out said she must have a bug! A 75 year old diabetic! Her kidneys were failing! By early afternoon wd called ambulance she was left in a side ward with no treatment by late afternoon they got her hooked up to intravenous antibiotics but it was to late she died 10 that eve from sepsis! She still worked was working 2 days before was not frail at all x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My grandad died in 2005 -- during his 4 months in hospital, we saw rats running along the floor, the striplight above his bed was full of dead flies -- the nurses were not trained to administer his NG feeding tube and so nourishment didn't reach him properly.
The severity of his illness meant he couldn't use the toilet without a bed pan -- but when I complained about him not getting a pan, the nurses were under so much pressure, I was told "just let him mess the bed"!
While he was there, he also contracted MRSA.
A few years prior to that he spent several nights in hospital with pneumonia -- but was left on an ambulance stretcher because they couldn't find him a bed.
Tony Blair was the PM at the time.
We are supposed to be a first world country ffs! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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7 visits to a specialist consultant over 6 years, each time confirming what he'd said before.
Finally the NHS decide to operate.
No surgeon available, so they pay for the operation privately.
Two choices of operation, one proven not to be successful, one proven to be effective.
One lower cost than the other, so that the one that's instructed.
Lo and behold it's not successful and further surgery required.
The NHS decree that it must have done some good, so do it again.
Three weeks later I'm in more pain than before the first operation, at which point the determine the more expensive (and proven to be successful) operation can be booked.
My surgeon assures me my case was not unique.....
Nine years later we're repeating the process.
The waste of money and resources is criminal.
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"My grandad died in 2005 -- during his 4 months in hospital, we saw rats running along the floor, the striplight above his bed was full of dead flies -- the nurses were not trained to administer his NG feeding tube and so nourishment didn't reach him properly.
The severity of his illness meant he couldn't use the toilet without a bed pan -- but when I complained about him not getting a pan, the nurses were under so much pressure, I was told "just let him mess the bed"!
While he was there, he also contracted MRSA.
A few years prior to that he spent several nights in hospital with pneumonia -- but was left on an ambulance stretcher because they couldn't find him a bed.
Tony Blair was the PM at the time.
We are supposed to be a first world country ffs!"
Funnily enough I have just read what Blair did in office and it seems maximum waits for NHS planned operations fell from 18 months to 18 weeks, he introduced more nurses and doctors,so hopefully problems like you mentioned were addressed too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Funnily enough I have just read what Blair did in office and it seems maximum waits for NHS planned operations fell from 18 months to 18 weeks, he introduced more nurses and doctors,so hopefully problems like you mentioned were addressed too."
Tony Blair became PM in 1997 and resigned in 2007 -- he was already on his way out when my grandad became ill.
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Being cynical one might think it's being set up to fail by those in power who will then step in to 'reform' it by more private funding..
The same route that the railways, water and electricity went..
And look how we're all faring under that model.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I hate to say it Tom, but tories"
Labour too.
remember Tony and Gordon sold 7% of it off with their private finance initiatives.
another 10 years of so before we have the right to buy those services back, and we pay 2bn/year for the privilege to use those private services until then.
no such thing as an honest politician on either side, and no such thing as one party to blame. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Funnily enough I have just read what Blair did in office and it seems maximum waits for NHS planned operations fell from 18 months to 18 weeks, he introduced more nurses and doctors,so hopefully problems like you mentioned were addressed too.
Tony Blair became PM in 1997 and resigned in 2007 -- he was already on his way out when my grandad became ill.
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What you say doesn't match what other people seemed to think of the NHS at the time according to what was said.
I would have asked to be moved to another Hospital |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"Being cynical one might think it's being set up to fail by those in power who will then step in to 'reform' it by more private funding..
The same route that the railways, water and electricity went..
And look how we're all faring under that model.."
No need to be cynical for this to be the truth. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist "
revolutionary idea, but i personally feel we need a sister organisation to the nhs, a social health system.
as a nurse im sure youll agree, many things people go to hospital could be solved with a cup of tea a chat and some advice. mental issues that end up in a&e because there is nowhere else to take them. simple cuts and bruises and other such non emergencies.
think along the lines of the welfare tent at your favorite festival. they arent just there for medical problems, and we need an equivalent in the real world.
taking the simple cases off to another department who can help with paperwork, advise on the help available and generally take the strain off the nhs.
just a thought. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Which paper did you read this in. Left or right wing?"
Take your pick
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2022-08-18/family-build-makeshift-tent-for-87-year-old-during-15-hour-ambulance-wait
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11120541/Cornwall-pensioner-87-waits-15-hours-ambulance-fall-family-build-make-shift-shelter.html
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/uk-world-news/family-build-shelter-man-87-24786627
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-man-87-builds-him-27768549 |
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By *annGentMan
over a year ago
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The NHS is not a business, in the way that those in power think they can run it, yet I know you can't just throw endless amounts of money at it !
The costs of new treatments etc can easily outstrip existing funding.
Extra Nurses and Doctors need years to be trained, you can't knit them in a few days !
But some of the issues lie at the feet of the small group Joe Bloggs that misuse A&E, when they can be easily treated elsewhere, and thinking that the Ambulances are their personal taxi's.
Those who work in the NHS do a brilliant job, it's the system that's letting them, and they suffer along with the general population |
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist "
At last someone is telling the truth well done |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The NHS is a black hole we just keep throwing money at!!
For instance ….Clinical Commissioning Groups have gone. Replaced by Integrated Care Boards which now includes the budgets for both Secondary care (hospitals) and Primary care (GP surgeries)
Primary care is picking up the H U G E deficit in Secondary care so you will now find the cuts at your local GP practice are funding that deficit at your local hospital.
And guess what! It all has to be rebranded costing hundreds of thousands of pounds
That’s NHS governance for you ….. "
Too much deliberate breaking strategy from the top down. So many expensive consulations with no change to outcomes, stripping procurement from leveraging spend & prioritising service standards, etc. Policticians & trust management not listening to what the experts/front line staff need. Huge staffing black hole. Better pay working as bank cover than primary jobs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Which paper did you read this in. Left or right wing?
Take your pick
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2022-08-18/family-build-makeshift-tent-for-87-year-old-during-15-hour-ambulance-wait
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11120541/Cornwall-pensioner-87-waits-15-hours-ambulance-fall-family-build-make-shift-shelter.html
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/uk-world-news/family-build-shelter-man-87-24786627
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-man-87-builds-him-27768549"
It wasn’t a political point I was trying to make. Tom usually states which paper and if they’re left or right wing in his posts. |
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What I'm not understanding is we were told during the pandemic we had to lock down to save the nhs and not to overwhelm it. Seems to be it is now well and truly overwhelmed. |
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"What I'm not understanding is we were told during the pandemic we had to lock down to save the nhs and not to overwhelm it. Seems to be it is now well and truly overwhelmed. "
All public services are overwhelmed. There was a fairly obvious way to try and solve this but people somehow believed the lies. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist "
I'm sorry but I feel like that is a bit of a cop out. Some people abuse the system but I do not believe that is enough to have put us in the situation we are currently in. You say you see people turn up with problems that could be seen at a chemist however If you have complex health conditions 9 out of 10 cases A pharmacist or 111 will tell that person to go to A&E. |
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"What I'm not understanding is we were told during the pandemic we had to lock down to save the nhs and not to overwhelm it. Seems to be it is now well and truly overwhelmed.
All public services are overwhelmed. There was a fairly obvious way to try and solve this but people somehow believed the lies."
Not sure what you mean by people believed the lie. |
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"What I'm not understanding is we were told during the pandemic we had to lock down to save the nhs and not to overwhelm it. Seems to be it is now well and truly overwhelmed.
All public services are overwhelmed. There was a fairly obvious way to try and solve this but people somehow believed the lies.
Not sure what you mean by people believed the lie. "
X amount of hospitals built, £350m to the NHS, x amount of officers back on the street. The lies told by this government that people lapped up and voted for. |
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist
I'm sorry but I feel like that is a bit of a cop out. Some people abuse the system but I do not believe that is enough to have put us in the situation we are currently in. You say you see people turn up with problems that could be seen at a chemist however If you have complex health conditions 9 out of 10 cases A pharmacist or 111 will tell that person to go to A&E. "
Also more people would go to gps if they could get to them. More long term/ elderly conditions could be treated in the home/community serviced if they still existed weren't stripped by austerity which was a political/voted in choice. |
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"What I'm not understanding is we were told during the pandemic we had to lock down to save the nhs and not to overwhelm it. Seems to be it is now well and truly overwhelmed.
All public services are overwhelmed. There was a fairly obvious way to try and solve this but people somehow believed the lies.
Not sure what you mean by people believed the lie.
X amount of hospitals built, £350m to the NHS, x amount of officers back on the street. The lies told by this government that people lapped up and voted for."
Well to be honest I think under labour we would have been locked down for even longer so I don't see how that makes a difference. Nhs chiefs are already telling us to stay away from hospitals and that they are going back to doing crisis care only over the Winter months. |
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Before everyone complains too much remember we still have one of the best healthcare systems in the world and one of the oldest populations. 15hour waits for ambulances are unacceptable but in much of the world you could wait 15 months and never see an ambulance unless you are in the top 10% of earners. British public have expectations of a service that far exceeds what they are really willing to pay for. |
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist
I'm sorry but I feel like that is a bit of a cop out. Some people abuse the system but I do not believe that is enough to have put us in the situation we are currently in. You say you see people turn up with problems that could be seen at a chemist however If you have complex health conditions 9 out of 10 cases A pharmacist or 111 will tell that person to go to A&E.
Also more people would go to gps if they could get to them. More long term/ elderly conditions could be treated in the home/community serviced if they still existed weren't stripped by austerity which was a political/voted in choice. "
Exactly and a lot of this could be sorted if we had better community care. One of the biggest issues in my opinion is that we have neglected Social care and mental health care for decades and then we wonder why people are turning up at A&E. |
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"What I'm not understanding is we were told during the pandemic we had to lock down to save the nhs and not to overwhelm it. Seems to be it is now well and truly overwhelmed.
All public services are overwhelmed. There was a fairly obvious way to try and solve this but people somehow believed the lies.
Not sure what you mean by people believed the lie.
X amount of hospitals built, £350m to the NHS, x amount of officers back on the street. The lies told by this government that people lapped up and voted for.
Well to be honest I think under labour we would have been locked down for even longer so I don't see how that makes a difference. Nhs chiefs are already telling us to stay away from hospitals and that they are going back to doing crisis care only over the Winter months. "
Or we would have locked down sooner along with other countries and flattened the curve. We did everything 2-3 weeks after everywhere else. The only thing they got right was the vaccine rollout (yes I can praise this government for some things) |
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Why aren't we pulling out all the stops to train more nurses and doctors?
Yes it costs a fortune and it take many many years. But it should be the government's number 1 priority.
And second to that we should be doing everything possible to encourage healthy lifestyles and working practices. The cost of this will always be less than the cost of treating illness from poor lifestyles. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What I'm not understanding is we were told during the pandemic we had to lock down to save the nhs and not to overwhelm it. Seems to be it is now well and truly overwhelmed.
All public services are overwhelmed. There was a fairly obvious way to try and solve this but people somehow believed the lies.
Not sure what you mean by people believed the lie.
X amount of hospitals built, £350m to the NHS, x amount of officers back on the street. The lies told by this government that people lapped up and voted for.
Well to be honest I think under labour we would have been locked down for even longer so I don't see how that makes a difference. Nhs chiefs are already telling us to stay away from hospitals and that they are going back to doing crisis care only over the Winter months.
Or we would have locked down sooner along with other countries and flattened the curve. We did everything 2-3 weeks after everywhere else. The only thing they got right was the vaccine rollout (yes I can praise this government for some things)"
There is an a single country in Europe that worked for. At no point during the pandemic did we even get close to overwhelming the nhs. I find it complete madness but during a health crisis we basically shut down the health service. |
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"Why aren't we pulling out all the stops to train more nurses and doctors?
Yes it costs a fortune and it take many many years. But it should be the government's number 1 priority.
And second to that we should be doing everything possible to encourage healthy lifestyles and working practices. The cost of this will always be less than the cost of treating illness from poor lifestyles. "
Nobody wants the jobs. They literally saved lives and all we gave them was a little clap on a Thursday night. EU migrants did want those jobs but something happened a few years ago that put a stop to that. |
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist
At last someone is telling the truth well done "
Not the truth. Sure people abuse it but they're such a tiny minority to be insignificant. The real abusers of the NHS are the government and management. Chronic mis management and underfunding |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I would love to work as a homecarer, however when I applied and the question came up with how long would I spend with a 'Client' to facilitate that I get them up, dressed etc.
I put as much time as required.
This apparently was not the answer they wanted. So I didn't get very far. |
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"Why aren't we pulling out all the stops to train more nurses and doctors?
Yes it costs a fortune and it take many many years. But it should be the government's number 1 priority.
And second to that we should be doing everything possible to encourage healthy lifestyles and working practices. The cost of this will always be less than the cost of treating illness from poor lifestyles.
Nobody wants the jobs. They literally saved lives and all we gave them was a little clap on a Thursday night. EU migrants did want those jobs but something happened a few years ago that put a stop to that."
Then we should be doing something to make people want those jobs. They are essential. |
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"What I'm not understanding is we were told during the pandemic we had to lock down to save the nhs and not to overwhelm it. Seems to be it is now well and truly overwhelmed.
All public services are overwhelmed. There was a fairly obvious way to try and solve this but people somehow believed the lies.
Not sure what you mean by people believed the lie.
X amount of hospitals built, £350m to the NHS, x amount of officers back on the street. The lies told by this government that people lapped up and voted for.
Well to be honest I think under labour we would have been locked down for even longer so I don't see how that makes a difference. Nhs chiefs are already telling us to stay away from hospitals and that they are going back to doing crisis care only over the Winter months.
Or we would have locked down sooner along with other countries and flattened the curve. We did everything 2-3 weeks after everywhere else. The only thing they got right was the vaccine rollout (yes I can praise this government for some things)
There is an a single country in Europe that worked for. At no point during the pandemic did we even get close to overwhelming the nhs. I find it complete madness but during a health crisis we basically shut down the health service. "
Obviously it wasn’t 100% effective but other countries coped a lot better than us. |
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist "
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Bravo, keep up the great work. Some of us really appreciate what people like you do for us. A massive Thank you. |
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There is a large amount of time wasted in the NHS by poor working practices though. Last time I was there I was asked the same questions 4 or 5 times (taking 20 minutes a time), all of which was compounded by the fact that they wrote these answers down on paper, to be passed to someone else who spent further time inputting them into a computer.
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"Why aren't we pulling out all the stops to train more nurses and doctors?
Yes it costs a fortune and it take many many years. But it should be the government's number 1 priority.
And second to that we should be doing everything possible to encourage healthy lifestyles and working practices. The cost of this will always be less than the cost of treating illness from poor lifestyles.
Nobody wants the jobs. They literally saved lives and all we gave them was a little clap on a Thursday night. EU migrants did want those jobs but something happened a few years ago that put a stop to that.
Then we should be doing something to make people want those jobs. They are essential. "
Give them fair pay rises and people might want the jobs. I get paid more than most nurses and and healthcare assistants and I’m an incompetent idiot. How is that fair? |
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"I got excellent care in A&E earlier this week. Unfortunately the outcome was to confirm diagnoses that have been ignored/missed by doctors over many years and the outcome? I'd better get used to severe, intractable pain and I'd better start saving up, because no-one is going to provide a penny of grant funding to help modify our house. Still waiting for my new wheelchair, that we're paying £4500 ourselves for too (NHS wheelchair vouchers do not cover my situation).
Etc.
The misdiagnoses or ignoring of my reports of pain started when I was a child, btw. Here I am now, a disabled 36yo woman who would rather not be here, than live like this forever. "
I hope you dont mind me asking this but have you tried applying for the disabled facilities grant? If you are a home owner this grant is there to pay for adaptations to your home to make it more accesable to you, I ask as I helped my mum who is a wheelchair user apply for it when she bought her house in lincolnshire |
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"I got excellent care in A&E earlier this week. Unfortunately the outcome was to confirm diagnoses that have been ignored/missed by doctors over many years and the outcome? I'd better get used to severe, intractable pain and I'd better start saving up, because no-one is going to provide a penny of grant funding to help modify our house. Still waiting for my new wheelchair, that we're paying £4500 ourselves for too (NHS wheelchair vouchers do not cover my situation).
Etc.
The misdiagnoses or ignoring of my reports of pain started when I was a child, btw. Here I am now, a disabled 36yo woman who would rather not be here, than live like this forever.
I hope you dont mind me asking this but have you tried applying for the disabled facilities grant? If you are a home owner this grant is there to pay for adaptations to your home to make it more accesable to you, I ask as I helped my mum who is a wheelchair user apply for it when she bought her house in lincolnshire"
I was literally going to message with exactly the same thing. I have done a little bit of research on this in the last couple of days. |
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"I got excellent care in A&E earlier this week. Unfortunately the outcome was to confirm diagnoses that have been ignored/missed by doctors over many years and the outcome? I'd better get used to severe, intractable pain and I'd better start saving up, because no-one is going to provide a penny of grant funding to help modify our house. Still waiting for my new wheelchair, that we're paying £4500 ourselves for too (NHS wheelchair vouchers do not cover my situation).
Etc.
The misdiagnoses or ignoring of my reports of pain started when I was a child, btw. Here I am now, a disabled 36yo woman who would rather not be here, than live like this forever.
I hope you dont mind me asking this but have you tried applying for the disabled facilities grant? If you are a home owner this grant is there to pay for adaptations to your home to make it more accesable to you, I ask as I helped my mum who is a wheelchair user apply for it when she bought her house in lincolnshire"
I have looked into it. It is means tested and we would not qualify for any funding at all. |
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"What I'm not understanding is we were told during the pandemic we had to lock down to save the nhs and not to overwhelm it. Seems to be it is now well and truly overwhelmed.
All public services are overwhelmed. There was a fairly obvious way to try and solve this but people somehow believed the lies.
Not sure what you mean by people believed the lie.
X amount of hospitals built, £350m to the NHS, x amount of officers back on the street. The lies told by this government that people lapped up and voted for.
Well to be honest I think under labour we would have been locked down for even longer so I don't see how that makes a difference. Nhs chiefs are already telling us to stay away from hospitals and that they are going back to doing crisis care only over the Winter months.
Or we would have locked down sooner along with other countries and flattened the curve. We did everything 2-3 weeks after everywhere else. The only thing they got right was the vaccine rollout (yes I can praise this government for some things)
There is an a single country in Europe that worked for. At no point during the pandemic did we even get close to overwhelming the nhs. I find it complete madness but during a health crisis we basically shut down the health service. "
Did we not get close? perhaps refresh your understanding of the mathematical power of exponential growth.. |
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"What I'm not understanding is we were told during the pandemic we had to lock down to save the nhs and not to overwhelm it. Seems to be it is now well and truly overwhelmed.
All public services are overwhelmed. There was a fairly obvious way to try and solve this but people somehow believed the lies.
Not sure what you mean by people believed the lie.
X amount of hospitals built, £350m to the NHS, x amount of officers back on the street. The lies told by this government that people lapped up and voted for.
Well to be honest I think under labour we would have been locked down for even longer so I don't see how that makes a difference. Nhs chiefs are already telling us to stay away from hospitals and that they are going back to doing crisis care only over the Winter months.
Or we would have locked down sooner along with other countries and flattened the curve. We did everything 2-3 weeks after everywhere else. The only thing they got right was the vaccine rollout (yes I can praise this government for some things)
There is an a single country in Europe that worked for. At no point during the pandemic did we even get close to overwhelming the nhs. I find it complete madness but during a health crisis we basically shut down the health service.
Did we not get close? perhaps refresh your understanding of the mathematical power of exponential growth.. "
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"You say you see people turn up with problems that could be seen at a chemist however If you have complex health conditions 9 out of 10 cases A pharmacist or 111 will tell that person to go to A&E. "
This is so true Lorna. Late one night, last Oct, I called 111 for medical advice. 2 hours later a gp was at my home and phoning the hospital because I needed an emergency CT scan and ... she physically put me in a taxi and had a nurse get me out of the taxi at the other end, because there were no ambulances available for 8+ hours.
I don't know enough about the politics of the situation to comment, but I will continue supporting and showing my appreciation to all NHS staff in any way I can. If it wasn't for their skill and dedication these last 3 years, I wouldn't be alive. |
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As a medical professional in the states I can see why people there choose other professions. Yes you have the NHS the medical field pay scales were mind bongiling. They are burnt out from the pandemic. I was too here. They deserve comparable if not more than US medical staffs. |
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"This kind of thing has been going on for some time. It is much worse now though.
My mum was ill for many years and I'd say the number of times she received dreadful care was equal to the number of times she received outstanding care. The quality deteriorated in later years especially post pandemic. It was rarely the individuals, more often the system.
A good news story though. I was diagnosed with a macular hole April/May, was seen by a consultant within a week and had surgery in July. "
Most trusts kept working through for emergency eye surgeries even with covid and have managed to plow back wait times for a lot of routine now, a lot of us optical practices took on emergency appointments to help ease the pressure of eye casualty too. |
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist
I'm sorry but I feel like that is a bit of a cop out. Some people abuse the system but I do not believe that is enough to have put us in the situation we are currently in. You say you see people turn up with problems that could be seen at a chemist however If you have complex health conditions 9 out of 10 cases A pharmacist or 111 will tell that person to go to A&E.
Also more people would go to gps if they could get to them. More long term/ elderly conditions could be treated in the home/community serviced if they still existed weren't stripped by austerity which was a political/voted in choice.
Exactly and a lot of this could be sorted if we had better community care. One of the biggest issues in my opinion is that we have neglected Social care and mental health care for decades and then we wonder why people are turning up at A&E. "
Yup - why are police dealing with suicidal people/ sectioning, where are the community centres, drop ins, etc. Why are the ones that exist charity run not funded. Family & children centres? Home care for the elderly. How often do they get stuck on wards for days waiting for home services to kick in? |
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It has been painstakingly and deliberately broken over the last decade of Tory Rule. They have been most effective and successful in storming the last bastion of Social Democracy in the UK. From "Call me Dave", through "Theresa Will" down to "Boris the Sly".
If you are looking for a comment from The PM about this - sorry he is on his second Meditteranean Holiday of the Summer and doesn't give a sh*t anyway. |
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"I got excellent care in A&E earlier this week. Unfortunately the outcome was to confirm diagnoses that have been ignored/missed by doctors over many years and the outcome? I'd better get used to severe, intractable pain and I'd better start saving up, because no-one is going to provide a penny of grant funding to help modify our house. Still waiting for my new wheelchair, that we're paying £4500 ourselves for too (NHS wheelchair vouchers do not cover my situation).
Etc.
The misdiagnoses or ignoring of my reports of pain started when I was a child, btw. Here I am now, a disabled 36yo woman who would rather not be here, than live like this forever.
I hope you dont mind me asking this but have you tried applying for the disabled facilities grant? If you are a home owner this grant is there to pay for adaptations to your home to make it more accesable to you, I ask as I helped my mum who is a wheelchair user apply for it when she bought her house in lincolnshire
I have looked into it. It is means tested and we would not qualify for any funding at all. "
Damn that's a shame, I know how costly things can be especially having just had to find almost £200 to replace the handset for mums bath chair that already cost her over £300 to buy and the handset went about 5 months out of warranty |
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There is no incentives to go into the medical field in the UK. It will cause a quality of care decline.Less staff longer waiting. We having a medical professional decline too put the incentives to go into the professions are astronomical right now.Maybe the NHS should offer upwards of 20k bonus like they do here to attract people . |
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"I got excellent care in A&E earlier this week. Unfortunately the outcome was to confirm diagnoses that have been ignored/missed by doctors over many years and the outcome? I'd better get used to severe, intractable pain and I'd better start saving up, because no-one is going to provide a penny of grant funding to help modify our house. Still waiting for my new wheelchair, that we're paying £4500 ourselves for too (NHS wheelchair vouchers do not cover my situation).
Etc.
The misdiagnoses or ignoring of my reports of pain started when I was a child, btw. Here I am now, a disabled 36yo woman who would rather not be here, than live like this forever.
I hope you dont mind me asking this but have you tried applying for the disabled facilities grant? If you are a home owner this grant is there to pay for adaptations to your home to make it more accesable to you, I ask as I helped my mum who is a wheelchair user apply for it when she bought her house in lincolnshire
I have looked into it. It is means tested and we would not qualify for any funding at all.
Damn that's a shame, I know how costly things can be especially having just had to find almost £200 to replace the handset for mums bath chair that already cost her over £300 to buy and the handset went about 5 months out of warranty "
You can apply to your local authority for items that would cost under a 1000 pounds to replace. |
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"I got excellent care in A&E earlier this week. Unfortunately the outcome was to confirm diagnoses that have been ignored/missed by doctors over many years and the outcome? I'd better get used to severe, intractable pain and I'd better start saving up, because no-one is going to provide a penny of grant funding to help modify our house. Still waiting for my new wheelchair, that we're paying £4500 ourselves for too (NHS wheelchair vouchers do not cover my situation).
Etc.
The misdiagnoses or ignoring of my reports of pain started when I was a child, btw. Here I am now, a disabled 36yo woman who would rather not be here, than live like this forever.
I hope you dont mind me asking this but have you tried applying for the disabled facilities grant? If you are a home owner this grant is there to pay for adaptations to your home to make it more accesable to you, I ask as I helped my mum who is a wheelchair user apply for it when she bought her house in lincolnshire
I have looked into it. It is means tested and we would not qualify for any funding at all.
Damn that's a shame, I know how costly things can be especially having just had to find almost £200 to replace the handset for mums bath chair that already cost her over £300 to buy and the handset went about 5 months out of warranty "
We were looking at replacing the shower chair, we didn't think the local authority would help because it still worked just hadn't aged well. They have given us 50% towards a new chair and will provide someone to fit it for a free of charge. |
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"I hate to say it Tom, but toriesi wonder what would happen tho if nobody voted for anyone
Bad things I imagine. Personally I feel that voting should be compulsory as well political educationbut i dont want to i dont like em there all liers and cranks "
It's so important to vote. Choose the least worst option. |
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"I hate to say it Tom, but toriesi wonder what would happen tho if nobody voted for anyone
Bad things I imagine. Personally I feel that voting should be compulsory as well political educationbut i dont want to i dont like em there all liers and cranks
It's so important to vote. Choose the least worst option. "
how do i know who that is without a p.i |
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"I hate to say it Tom, but toriesi wonder what would happen tho if nobody voted for anyone
Bad things I imagine. Personally I feel that voting should be compulsory as well political educationbut i dont want to i dont like em there all liers and cranks
It's so important to vote. Choose the least worst option. how do i know who that is without a p.i "
Vote for the independent. Conservative supporters always go out and vote. If more people that don't agree with with Tories went and voted, for whoever. The result will be different. |
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I worked for the nhs for 15years and saw a lot of money wasted, each ward is given a budget that means drugs ,dressings ,incontinence pads ,agency nurses and lots of other things ,we got sent on a day course banging drums and when management came to answer questions how a waste of money it was they wouldn't answer its all down to bad management and wasting money ,I love the nhs they saved my life 8 times last time was last year ,at least it a free system for all ... |
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"I worked for the nhs for 15years and saw a lot of money wasted, each ward is given a budget that means drugs ,dressings ,incontinence pads ,agency nurses and lots of other things ,we got sent on a day course banging drums and when management came to answer questions how a waste of money it was they wouldn't answer its all down to bad management and wasting money ,I love the nhs they saved my life 8 times last time was last year ,at least it a free system for all ..."
shouldn't your fellow NHS workers be top tier on pay scales to attract more to the profession ? If the UK cared match US pay scales. They are the shining example to a healthcare system .
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"I worked for the nhs for 15years and saw a lot of money wasted, each ward is given a budget that means drugs ,dressings ,incontinence pads ,agency nurses and lots of other things ,we got sent on a day course banging drums and when management came to answer questions how a waste of money it was they wouldn't answer its all down to bad management and wasting money ,I love the nhs they saved my life 8 times last time was last year ,at least it a free system for all ... shouldn't your fellow NHS workers be top tier on pay scales to attract more to the profession ? If the UK cared match US pay scales. They are the shining example to a healthcare system ."
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over a year ago
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"I worked for the nhs for 15years and saw a lot of money wasted, each ward is given a budget that means drugs ,dressings ,incontinence pads ,agency nurses and lots of other things ,we got sent on a day course banging drums and when management came to answer questions how a waste of money it was they wouldn't answer its all down to bad management and wasting money ,I love the nhs they saved my life 8 times last time was last year ,at least it a free system for all ... shouldn't your fellow NHS workers be top tier on pay scales to attract more to the profession ? If the UK cared match US pay scales. They are the shining example to a healthcare system ."
Yeah a healthcare system that forces patients in to bankruptcy is definitely the way forward |
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By *llaandGCouple
over a year ago
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As all these posts suggest, there is no simple answer and no single person at fault. Unfortunately the system as it exists was designed for a very different time. To make meaningful change whilst protecting the aim of keeping as much care as possible free at the point of care would take political sacrifices and public compromises that no political party would dare do attempt as they would end up out of power for a generation.
As for the clapping - at the time I said I would happily get rid of all the meaningless public gestures and conscience-cleansing bullshit if it meant one fewer member of staff getting physically or verbally abused and guess what? That's got worse, rather than better.
And don't get me started on the £350m pounds extra.... There's one born every minute, just didn't realise that meant nation.....
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Tories cancelled nurses training bursaries and converted to repayable student loans (average 45-50k debt.) charged currently at 7.3% interest while bank rate is 1.75% and has been near zero since 2009.
Average graduating doctors student debt is £84k
These jobs are in the national health service. Food banks reported in some hospitals are for staff. |
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By *llaandGCouple
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Yes, and Labour expanded Private Finance Initiatives that left lots of hospitals trapped for years and severely financially penalised.
I'm not supporting the Tories, I'm just being realistic that blaming one party or the other is overly simplistic
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"I got excellent care in A&E earlier this week. Unfortunately the outcome was to confirm diagnoses that have been ignored/missed by doctors over many years and the outcome? I'd better get used to severe, intractable pain and I'd better start saving up, because no-one is going to provide a penny of grant funding to help modify our house. Still waiting for my new wheelchair, that we're paying £4500 ourselves for too (NHS wheelchair vouchers do not cover my situation).
Etc.
The misdiagnoses or ignoring of my reports of pain started when I was a child, btw. Here I am now, a disabled 36yo woman who would rather not be here, than live like this forever. "
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Last Monday I had a painful clash of heads playing football. I'm not usually one for staying down but this one hurt and made a sound too.
Anyway, after showing I went to my local A&E.
I got there just before 8pm and it took until 03:30 before I was seen to.
3 hours after that, I had a CT scan and 3 hours after that the consultant revealed that I picked up 2 fractures to my face and skull.
Released from hospital just after midday the following day.
I was in there for almost 14 hours and it took 8 hours before I was seen.
NHS isn't broken, its fucked! We simply don't have enough nurses and doctors. Pay is shit and Brexit has contributed to a drop in workforce too.
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"Last Monday I had a painful clash of heads playing football. I'm not usually one for staying down but this one hurt and made a sound too.
Anyway, after showing I went to my local A&E.
I got there just before 8pm and it took until 03:30 before I was seen to.
3 hours after that, I had a CT scan and 3 hours after that the consultant revealed that I picked up 2 fractures to my face and skull.
Released from hospital just after midday the following day.
I was in there for almost 14 hours and it took 8 hours before I was seen.
NHS isn't broken, its fucked! We simply don't have enough nurses and doctors. Pay is shit and Brexit has contributed to a drop in workforce too.
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Question. Why do you feel you should have been seen quicker? |
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"Last Monday I had a painful clash of heads playing football. I'm not usually one for staying down but this one hurt and made a sound too.
Anyway, after showing I went to my local A&E.
I got there just before 8pm and it took until 03:30 before I was seen to.
3 hours after that, I had a CT scan and 3 hours after that the consultant revealed that I picked up 2 fractures to my face and skull.
Released from hospital just after midday the following day.
I was in there for almost 14 hours and it took 8 hours before I was seen.
NHS isn't broken, its fucked! We simply don't have enough nurses and doctors. Pay is shit and Brexit has contributed to a drop in workforce too.
Question. Why do you feel you should have been seen quicker?"
Because he had broken bones and was in agony? |
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"Last Monday I had a painful clash of heads playing football. I'm not usually one for staying down but this one hurt and made a sound too.
Anyway, after showing I went to my local A&E.
I got there just before 8pm and it took until 03:30 before I was seen to.
3 hours after that, I had a CT scan and 3 hours after that the consultant revealed that I picked up 2 fractures to my face and skull.
Released from hospital just after midday the following day.
I was in there for almost 14 hours and it took 8 hours before I was seen.
NHS isn't broken, its fucked! We simply don't have enough nurses and doctors. Pay is shit and Brexit has contributed to a drop in workforce too.
Question. Why do you feel you should have been seen quicker?"
Head trauma, concussion, coughing up blood and bleeding from the nose. I think that takes priority over some piss head who's walked in after punching a wall or jumping over a fence and straining an ankle.
Wouldn't you say? |
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"Last Monday I had a painful clash of heads playing football. I'm not usually one for staying down but this one hurt and made a sound too.
Anyway, after showing I went to my local A&E.
I got there just before 8pm and it took until 03:30 before I was seen to.
3 hours after that, I had a CT scan and 3 hours after that the consultant revealed that I picked up 2 fractures to my face and skull.
Released from hospital just after midday the following day.
I was in there for almost 14 hours and it took 8 hours before I was seen.
NHS isn't broken, its fucked! We simply don't have enough nurses and doctors. Pay is shit and Brexit has contributed to a drop in workforce too.
Question. Why do you feel you should have been seen quicker?
Head trauma, concussion, coughing up blood and bleeding from the nose. I think that takes priority over some piss head who's walked in after punching a wall or jumping over a fence and straining an ankle.
Wouldn't you say?"
You were in a safe place, if you had deteriorated you would have been managed quickly...
Just curious how much training you have in triage and / or Emergency Department management.
Or do you just think you're entitled to something quicker by virtue of being a better person than those other groups you mention?
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"Last Monday I had a painful clash of heads playing football. I'm not usually one for staying down but this one hurt and made a sound too.
Anyway, after showing I went to my local A&E.
I got there just before 8pm and it took until 03:30 before I was seen to.
3 hours after that, I had a CT scan and 3 hours after that the consultant revealed that I picked up 2 fractures to my face and skull.
Released from hospital just after midday the following day.
I was in there for almost 14 hours and it took 8 hours before I was seen.
NHS isn't broken, its fucked! We simply don't have enough nurses and doctors. Pay is shit and Brexit has contributed to a drop in workforce too.
Question. Why do you feel you should have been seen quicker?
Head trauma, concussion, coughing up blood and bleeding from the nose. I think that takes priority over some piss head who's walked in after punching a wall or jumping over a fence and straining an ankle.
Wouldn't you say?
You were in a safe place, if you had deteriorated you would have been managed quickly...
Just curious how much training you have in triage and / or Emergency Department management.
Or do you just think you're entitled to something quicker by virtue of being a better person than those other groups you mention?
G"
I'm no expert in the field and never claimed to be.
What I witnessed in A&E was short staffing and far too many patients.
Patients were being told that Mondays waiting times to be seen by a Dr was 5 hours. I personally wasn't expecting an 8 hour wait and wasn't expecting d*unks to be given priority over my condition.
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99.9% of my family work in the NHS they are at breaking point.
One call they have had recently is a person stubbed their toe and called 999 and said he had chest pains but when they got there they admitted they only said that to get an ambulance! |
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over a year ago
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"Of course it's been broken for a long time. When most of the ambulances are parked outside A and E because there is no space in A and E then no wonder they cannot pick anyone up. "
I am one of those people who does have to sit in the Ambulance for my whole 12 hr shift as there is no space in the hospital.
To record 37 were waiting in the heatwave (me included) outside ED.
We have to try our best to keep patients as comfortable as we can. But also we had no access to cold drinks and no meal breaks either.
Normally running over by upto 2 hrs as no crews to relieve you. 
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"Last Monday I had a painful clash of heads playing football. I'm not usually one for staying down but this one hurt and made a sound too.
Anyway, after showing I went to my local A&E.
I got there just before 8pm and it took until 03:30 before I was seen to.
3 hours after that, I had a CT scan and 3 hours after that the consultant revealed that I picked up 2 fractures to my face and skull.
Released from hospital just after midday the following day.
I was in there for almost 14 hours and it took 8 hours before I was seen.
NHS isn't broken, its fucked! We simply don't have enough nurses and doctors. Pay is shit and Brexit has contributed to a drop in workforce too.
Question. Why do you feel you should have been seen quicker?
Head trauma, concussion, coughing up blood and bleeding from the nose. I think that takes priority over some piss head who's walked in after punching a wall or jumping over a fence and straining an ankle.
Wouldn't you say?
You were in a safe place, if you had deteriorated you would have been managed quickly...
Just curious how much training you have in triage and / or Emergency Department management.
Or do you just think you're entitled to something quicker by virtue of being a better person than those other groups you mention?
G
I'm no expert in the field and never claimed to be.
What I witnessed in A&E was short staffing and far too many patients.
Patients were being told that Mondays waiting times to be seen by a Dr was 5 hours. I personally wasn't expecting an 8 hour wait and wasn't expecting d*unks to be given priority over my condition.
That's all!"
If your CT scan had shown any signs of a brain injury they'd have escalated your treatment rapidly. If you'd been admitted showing symptoms of a brain injury they'd have scanned you quicker.
I suspect ED staff bemoan sporting injuries just as much as the d*unks.
I trust them to triage appropriately on medical heed |
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By *htcMan
over a year ago
MK |
Everything in this country is broken. Too many messed up laws and no one in there jobs in any council or government care about what is right and wrong. They just want more money
We need to start over, everyone in any government paid position and council should be fired. Start fresh with all laws and regulations. |
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Four soon be be five health ministers in 4 years
Jeremy Hunt 2012-2018, spent £44000 of nhs budget on a private en suite to his office, essential as he cycled to work
Arse grabber Matt Hancock 2018-2021 caught by spy cam with staffer, she was fit tho
Javid 2021- July 2022 resigned over partygate debacle
Steve Barclay July 2022 - will be binned next month as he’s backing Sunak
Sept 2022 someone new when Truss becomes PM |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"An 87 year old man fell in his garden and broke his pelvis etc. The ambulance call centre told the family they must not move him. He waited 11 hours for an ambulance and when it started raining the family had to build a makeshift shelter out of a football goal, tarpaulin and umbrellas. The photograph makes it look like something out of the Jungle camp in Calais..
Outrageous says Tom"
That's worse than truely broken that's an absolute disgrace, what do you pay taxes for at all? |
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This thread seems to be mostly people saying 'I didn't get what I want' and almost nobody talking about broader issues.
I ask: would you rather have been fast tracked but pay £100, because that's how they do it in NI.
Like with any free service, everyone thinks they own it until its time to pay.
There are a lot of problems with the NHS, such as 70,000 staff vacancies nationwide (made worse by Brexit- you voted for it) and deliberate underfunding by the Conservatives.
Frankly I think it's an unworkable model and we as a society need to have a serious discussion about how to make healthcare viable or affordable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I worked for the nhs for 15years and saw a lot of money wasted, each ward is given a budget that means drugs ,dressings ,incontinence pads ,agency nurses and lots of other things ,we got sent on a day course banging drums and when management came to answer questions how a waste of money it was they wouldn't answer its all down to bad management and wasting money ,I love the nhs they saved my life 8 times last time was last year ,at least it a free system for all ... shouldn't your fellow NHS workers be top tier on pay scales to attract more to the profession ? If the UK cared match US pay scales. They are the shining example to a healthcare system .
Yeah a healthcare system that forces patients in to bankruptcy is definitely the way forward "
My insurance I have 0 issues with . You see the complaints of others. Short staffing overcrowded I stand by my statement that in order to have the care your NHS provides the healthcare professionals should be on the top tier pay scale profession. It would reduce the short staffing problem and give better quality health-care. |
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By *opinovMan
over a year ago
Point Nemo, Cumbria |
It has been broken for quite some time.
This is not by accident. It is deliberate - contrived by those who aim to replace it with a private insurance-based system similar to that currently disfunctioning in the US in order to further fill their already stuffed pockets.
It will become ever more broken as long as voters continue to elect those people. Eventually, it will become irreparable. People we care about will suffer and die for it... indeed, are suffering and dying for it already. This planned degradation is well under way and will continue until sufficient outrage at the state of the publicly owned system sparks demand for a replacement system - a private system.
Who are these people who are doing this to our health service?... doing this to us?...
They're the same people obsessed with dismantling everything owned and run for the benefit of ordinary folks in order to replace our nation's health with obscene profit for a privileged few. The same people who hide their wealth in overseas tax havens to avoid paying their fair share like the rest of us do. The same people whose political party is funded by those very much like them in exchange for continued favourable tax dodges and lucrative government contracts.
I wonder if you can guess who they are. |
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"This thread seems to be mostly people saying 'I didn't get what I want' and almost nobody talking about broader issues.
I ask: would you rather have been fast tracked but pay £100, because that's how they do it in NI.
Like with any free service, everyone thinks they own it until its time to pay.
There are a lot of problems with the NHS, such as 70,000 staff vacancies nationwide (made worse by Brexit- you voted for it) and deliberate underfunding by the Conservatives.
Frankly I think it's an unworkable model and we as a society need to have a serious discussion about how to make healthcare viable or affordable. "
Its not just staff vacancies that's the issue here. It's the idiots in charge who look after the purse strings and overspend.
How can you buy a pack of ibuprofen in a supermarket for under 50p yet the NHS buy them in from whoever the official supplier is for £6 a packet.
That's ridiculous. There needs to be an independent inspection from top to bottom to find out firstly how much money is being wasted.
The NHS must blow millions of pounds unnecessarily every day |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a nurse, overworked everyday on in the hospital's and patients homes, it's come to the point where 'we do it because we care' just isn't enough anymore. We're at breaking point, no lunch breaks, no fuel reimbursement for travelling to patients homes.
To the people not getting adequate care on here, I feel you. I'm not even getting paid what I'm owed  |
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"As a nurse, overworked everyday on in the hospital's and patients homes, it's come to the point where 'we do it because we care' just isn't enough anymore. We're at breaking point, no lunch breaks, no fuel reimbursement for travelling to patients homes.
To the people not getting adequate care on here, I feel you. I'm not even getting paid what I'm owed "
Thank you for your work. The nurse who dealt with me in A&E on Weds was tearful when she realised the extent of my issues and that she felt she could not do enough. She did an amazing job and I will be writing to the hospital to commend her and the other practitioners I saw. I'm afraid that's not nearly enough but it's all I can do. |
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over a year ago
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"As a nurse, overworked everyday on in the hospital's and patients homes, it's come to the point where 'we do it because we care' just isn't enough anymore. We're at breaking point, no lunch breaks, no fuel reimbursement for travelling to patients homes.
To the people not getting adequate care on here, I feel you. I'm not even getting paid what I'm owed
Thank you for your work. The nurse who dealt with me in A&E on Weds was tearful when she realised the extent of my issues and that she felt she could not do enough. She did an amazing job and I will be writing to the hospital to commend her and the other practitioners I saw. I'm afraid that's not nearly enough but it's all I can do. "
That's beautiful. If anything, it will boost her mental health. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"To all of those who voted Tory for over 10 years I hope you're happy now.
Let's not get political and personal"
I dint think we can talk about the NHS and not get political. The Tories are to blame for this mess and of course tory voters, particularly those who still defend them should take responsibility. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I hate to say it Tom, but tories"
It's not just the Tories. The NHS has been pillaged and used for political and financial gain by every government for decades. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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" At no point during the pandemic did we even get close to overwhelming the nhs. I find it complete madness but during a health crisis we basically shut down the health service.
Did we not get close? perhaps refresh your understanding of the mathematical power of exponential growth.. "
We did get close yes. I am not sure people realise how bad it did get. It also isn't over. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I hate to say it Tom, but tories
It's not just the Tories. The NHS has been pillaged and used for political and financial gain by every government for decades."
People as well. Go to any A&E and you will see people who shouldn't be there absorbing resources.
Top heavy management or medically unqualified seniors. You'll be surprised by how many of the NHS top earners are unqualified to step in and help. Therefore pointless, get rid, save thousands. Unrealistic targets, nothing has demoralised an employee more by giving them deadlines. If its life or death, that's a deadline. |
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By *ilyWoman
over a year ago
Slough |
"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist
I'm sorry but I feel like that is a bit of a cop out. Some people abuse the system but I do not believe that is enough to have put us in the situation we are currently in. You say you see people turn up with problems that could be seen at a chemist however If you have complex health conditions 9 out of 10 cases A pharmacist or 111 will tell that person to go to A&E. "
Cop out !!!! People have been abusing the NHS for years way back to when our grandparents woukd refuse to go to hospital unless they where dying. Encouraged by generations of young people thrown into the adult world with a sense of entitlement and no real understanding of the word no.
It used to be thought that a Saturday night was not a great night for the d*unks. Now you could pick any night I find A&E full of drink related injury’s. Can you imagine our grandparents getting so d*unk on a regular basis they ended up in A&E. I could go on !!!! This on top of a country that has an open door policy to people who have never paid into the nhs and an NHS that has actually done so well they keep people alive long. The biggest scandal being MRSA the Media delivered the public the idea that it was dirty nurses and the public bought it, evidence now suggests it was over use of antibiotics, patients demanding antibiotics when a simpler treatment would have been more effective.
The nhs needs more money we’ll dig deep it’s us who pays for it |
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I agree the NHS isn't fit for purpose. But whilst it's still lauded as a 'national treasure' there is no driver for change. Instead we will get private healthcare creeping in through the back door - just as it has in in dentistry. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
" At no point during the pandemic did we even get close to overwhelming the nhs. I find it complete madness but during a health crisis we basically shut down the health service.
Did we not get close? perhaps refresh your understanding of the mathematical power of exponential growth..
We did get close yes. I am not sure people realise how bad it did get. It also isn't over. "
I agree.
Having worked alongside 2 majorly hospital trusts during the worst of covid I agree people have no idea just how bad things were. Or in just a couple of years have forgotten.
And certainly, during the very first lockdown the pressures the hospitals were under were off the scale.
But it didn't stop at hospitals, the GP service too, particularly once they started discharging covid positive patients in to nursing homes were under unimaginable pressure |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The NHS has been broken. It has been deliberately mis managed to make the public believe it is irretrievably damaged. It is currently being sold off to private companies, who are cherry picking what they want from it. |
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over a year ago
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"The NHS has been broken. It has been deliberately mis managed to make the public believe it is irretrievably damaged. It is currently being sold off to private companies, who are cherry picking what they want from it."
Pretty much what I believe.
When the carcass is disagreed. We’ll be in the American system instead. Forced to pay for health insurance, your fate decided by algorithms. |
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist
I'm sorry but I feel like that is a bit of a cop out. Some people abuse the system but I do not believe that is enough to have put us in the situation we are currently in. You say you see people turn up with problems that could be seen at a chemist however If you have complex health conditions 9 out of 10 cases A pharmacist or 111 will tell that person to go to A&E.
Cop out !!!! People have been abusing the NHS for years way back to when our grandparents woukd refuse to go to hospital unless they where dying. Encouraged by generations of young people thrown into the adult world with a sense of entitlement and no real understanding of the word no.
It used to be thought that a Saturday night was not a great night for the d*unks. Now you could pick any night I find A&E full of drink related injury’s. Can you imagine our grandparents getting so d*unk on a regular basis they ended up in A&E. I could go on !!!! This on top of a country that has an open door policy to people who have never paid into the nhs and an NHS that has actually done so well they keep people alive long. The biggest scandal being MRSA the Media delivered the public the idea that it was dirty nurses and the public bought it, evidence now suggests it was over use of antibiotics, patients demanding antibiotics when a simpler treatment would have been more effective.
The nhs needs more money we’ll dig deep it’s us who pays for it "
In addition to these excellent points made here.. the NHS started in 1948 with a UK population of about 49million.
The population today is approx 67.5
Yes it struggles and is used and abused but you all should be thankful that it's still there and to those who work in it!!! |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Which paper did you read this in. Left or right wing?
Take your pick
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2022-08-18/family-build-makeshift-tent-for-87-year-old-during-15-hour-ambulance-wait
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11120541/Cornwall-pensioner-87-waits-15-hours-ambulance-fall-family-build-make-shift-shelter.html
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/uk-world-news/family-build-shelter-man-87-24786627
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/family-man-87-builds-him-27768549
It wasn’t a political point I was trying to make. Tom usually states which paper and if they’re left or right wing in his posts."
Stop putting words into Tom's mouth |
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By *ilyWoman
over a year ago
Slough |
"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist
I'm sorry but I feel like that is a bit of a cop out. Some people abuse the system but I do not believe that is enough to have put us in the situation we are currently in. You say you see people turn up with problems that could be seen at a chemist however If you have complex health conditions 9 out of 10 cases A pharmacist or 111 will tell that person to go to A&E.
Cop out !!!! People have been abusing the NHS for years way back to when our grandparents woukd refuse to go to hospital unless they where dying. Encouraged by generations of young people thrown into the adult world with a sense of entitlement and no real understanding of the word no.
It used to be thought that a Saturday night was not a great night for the d*unks. Now you could pick any night I find A&E full of drink related injury’s. Can you imagine our grandparents getting so d*unk on a regular basis they ended up in A&E. I could go on !!!! This on top of a country that has an open door policy to people who have never paid into the nhs and an NHS that has actually done so well they keep people alive long. The biggest scandal being MRSA the Media delivered the public the idea that it was dirty nurses and the public bought it, evidence now suggests it was over use of antibiotics, patients demanding antibiotics when a simpler treatment would have been more effective.
The nhs needs more money we’ll dig deep it’s us who pays for it
In addition to these excellent points made here.. the NHS started in 1948 with a UK population of about 49million.
The population today is approx 67.5
Yes it struggles and is used and abused but you all should be thankful that it's still there and to those who work in it!!!"
A population created by an open door policy and a generation of people with a sense of entitlement. A generation who can leave school and never work and produce as many children as they please. I don’t dispute the government have allowed this and then turned a blind eye to the effect it has on the NHS. I was one of those nurse who worked through COViD who was abused and clapped in equally measures |
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"An 87 year old man fell in his garden and broke his pelvis etc. The ambulance call centre told the family they must not move him. He waited 11 hours for an ambulance and when it started raining the family had to build a makeshift shelter out of a football goal, tarpaulin and umbrellas. The photograph makes it look like something out of the Jungle camp in Calais..
Outrageous says Tom"
Agreed. It is outrageous. Why the fuck we have this idea it's a wonderful service is beyond me. Shameful. |
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"To all of those who voted Tory for over 10 years I hope you're happy now. "
An interesting if naive view. That it's only tory voters who work in, and who use and abuse the nhs. I suspect its rather more complicated than who votes for whom. |
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist
I'm sorry but I feel like that is a bit of a cop out. Some people abuse the system but I do not believe that is enough to have put us in the situation we are currently in. You say you see people turn up with problems that could be seen at a chemist however If you have complex health conditions 9 out of 10 cases A pharmacist or 111 will tell that person to go to A&E.
Cop out !!!! People have been abusing the NHS for years way back to when our grandparents woukd refuse to go to hospital unless they where dying. Encouraged by generations of young people thrown into the adult world with a sense of entitlement and no real understanding of the word no.
It used to be thought that a Saturday night was not a great night for the d*unks. Now you could pick any night I find A&E full of drink related injury’s. Can you imagine our grandparents getting so d*unk on a regular basis they ended up in A&E. I could go on !!!! This on top of a country that has an open door policy to people who have never paid into the nhs and an NHS that has actually done so well they keep people alive long. The biggest scandal being MRSA the Media delivered the public the idea that it was dirty nurses and the public bought it, evidence now suggests it was over use of antibiotics, patients demanding antibiotics when a simpler treatment would have been more effective.
The nhs needs more money we’ll dig deep it’s us who pays for it
In addition to these excellent points made here.. the NHS started in 1948 with a UK population of about 49million.
The population today is approx 67.5
Yes it struggles and is used and abused but you all should be thankful that it's still there and to those who work in it!!!
A population created by an open door policy and a generation of people with a sense of entitlement. A generation who can leave school and never work and produce as many children as they please. I don’t dispute the government have allowed this and then turned a blind eye to the effect it has on the NHS. I was one of those nurse who worked through COViD who was abused and clapped in equally measures "
Please read newspapers other than the daily mail. |
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"You only hear the negative news from MSM. In the real world the majority have a good service and experience…ask around "
No, they don't. And yes, I've asked around.
My 7.5hrs in A&E last week was with outstanding patient care and I have acknowledged that. However, The System is so fucked up that I've been living with disability for 5.5yrs that hadn't been properly diagnosed and the origins of some of the problem are from when I was a child, all exacerbated by my pregnancy. No-one has put 2+2 together till recently. The staff were wonderful but The System means my orthopaedic referral will see me waiting around one YEAR before I can be seen. That's a very long time to be waiting, especially when you've already been waiting 5.5yrs and you've just discovered your ankle is permanently dislocated. A&E couldn't do anything about that........ |
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"We broke the NHS by abusing it. Calling an ambulance because you don’t drive. Refusing to take a loved one home because you going on holiday. Rocking up in A&E with minor problem because you feel entitled to. I say this as a nurse who is nearly broken due to the pressure. And a patient who waited in A&E 12 hours I needed surgery but watched people turn up with problems that could have been dealt with in a chemist
I'm sorry but I feel like that is a bit of a cop out. Some people abuse the system but I do not believe that is enough to have put us in the situation we are currently in. You say you see people turn up with problems that could be seen at a chemist however If you have complex health conditions 9 out of 10 cases A pharmacist or 111 will tell that person to go to A&E.
Cop out !!!! People have been abusing the NHS for years way back to when our grandparents woukd refuse to go to hospital unless they where dying. Encouraged by generations of young people thrown into the adult world with a sense of entitlement and no real understanding of the word no.
It used to be thought that a Saturday night was not a great night for the d*unks. Now you could pick any night I find A&E full of drink related injury’s. Can you imagine our grandparents getting so d*unk on a regular basis they ended up in A&E. I could go on !!!! This on top of a country that has an open door policy to people who have never paid into the nhs and an NHS that has actually done so well they keep people alive long. The biggest scandal being MRSA the Media delivered the public the idea that it was dirty nurses and the public bought it, evidence now suggests it was over use of antibiotics, patients demanding antibiotics when a simpler treatment would have been more effective.
The nhs needs more money we’ll dig deep it’s us who pays for it
In addition to these excellent points made here.. the NHS started in 1948 with a UK population of about 49million.
The population today is approx 67.5
Yes it struggles and is used and abused but you all should be thankful that it's still there and to those who work in it!!!
A population created by an open door policy and a generation of people with a sense of entitlement. A generation who can leave school and never work and produce as many children as they please. I don’t dispute the government have allowed this and then turned a blind eye to the effect it has on the NHS. I was one of those nurse who worked through COViD who was abused and clapped in equally measures "
Didn’t that “open door” policy bring a lot of workers into the NHS? |
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"An 87 year old man fell in his garden and broke his pelvis etc. The ambulance call centre told the family they must not move him. He waited 11 hours for an ambulance and when it started raining the family had to build a makeshift shelter out of a football goal, tarpaulin and umbrellas. The photograph makes it look like something out of the Jungle camp in Calais..
Outrageous says Tom"
That is right.the NHS need its budget doubled! To cope. The 2 years waiting list came because of 2 things( some die, and nhs prioritised clearing 2 years backlog. As a consequence 1 year wait has surged.). Great headline full of painful misery.
10% of nhs consultants will retired over the next 18 months. The NHS jargon is full of words that in reality describe bankruptcy: pressure, backlog, coping, not enough, waiting, vacancy.... This has been going on for decades.
Tony and Gordon 17 years ago promised an NHS that would be able to train and retain its staffs.
Today, training places at Unis are caped bursary withdrawn. Tuition introduced and rising.
A rethink of the nhs is unlikely to happen in our life time. The issue is decade and decades of party politics and wrong decision making. In fact No independent organisation for decades had suggested a solution to the problem.
Long ambulance waiting time is not a lack of ambulance. The one available are parked in front of hospitals with patients that they can't handover to the ED.
You often hear the mythical idea about getting retired medical staffs back to work. As of the solution. But when you look at the number of those leaving they alway outnumber the new starter. Those coming are more for humanitarian effort, like campaign, vaccin etc.
May God safe us
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"You only hear the negative news from MSM. In the real world the majority have a good service and experience…ask around "
Yes, the NHS is good in parts, notably with children. But otherwise, it's mediocre at best. I know this as a former ex-pat who's used healthcare services around the world. The NHS is mostly slow, inefficient and bureaucratic by comparison. |
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"You only hear the negative news from MSM. In the real world the majority have a good service and experience…ask around
Yes, the NHS is good in parts, notably with children. But otherwise, it's mediocre at best. I know this as a former ex-pat who's used healthcare services around the world. The NHS is mostly slow, inefficient and bureaucratic by comparison."
It's not even always good with children. My brother spent 9hrs in kids A&E with his 8yo daughter who was extremely unwell. Eventually rushed to surgery at 11pm and removed a badly distended appendix, that was about to rupture. He said that the severity of her illness (this being a child who is rarely ill and tough as old bootnails) was not appreciated and that his understanding of his child's condition was not listened to either.
That's just one example. Some hospitals used to have dedicated children's A&E areas but they seem to have disappeared over the COVID period, presumably due to lack of staffing? Our local one has a separate waiting and assessment area but staff are shared with adult A&E and for anything more than basic care, children have to go into the adult area for x-rays and other types of diagnosis and treatment. |
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"You only hear the negative news from MSM. In the real world the majority have a good service and experience…ask around
Yes, the NHS is good in parts, notably with children. But otherwise, it's mediocre at best. I know this as a former ex-pat who's used healthcare services around the world. The NHS is mostly slow, inefficient and bureaucratic by comparison.
It's not even always good with children. My brother spent 9hrs in kids A&E with his 8yo daughter who was extremely unwell. Eventually rushed to surgery at 11pm and removed a badly distended appendix, that was about to rupture. He said that the severity of her illness (this being a child who is rarely ill and tough as old bootnails) was not appreciated and that his understanding of his child's condition was not listened to either.
That's just one example. Some hospitals used to have dedicated children's A&E areas but they seem to have disappeared over the COVID period, presumably due to lack of staffing? Our local one has a separate waiting and assessment area but staff are shared with adult A&E and for anything more than basic care, children have to go into the adult area for x-rays and other types of diagnosis and treatment. "
There is no service left in the nhs that is fit for purposes ! The nhs is now almost 40% privatised. But most people don't know it! The only things left public is ED, wards, ICU. Everything else is part private!( Operations, maternity, investigations-ct-xray- ultrasounds, dentist,GPs, ..physio) |
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" At no point during the pandemic did we even get close to overwhelming the nhs. I find it complete madness but during a health crisis we basically shut down the health service.
Did we not get close? perhaps refresh your understanding of the mathematical power of exponential growth..
We did get close yes. I am not sure people realise how bad it did get. It also isn't over. "
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