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So for a while I’ve been wondering about circumcision in infancy for religious reasons - when there is no preeminent medical condition that the procedure is being used to alleviate why is this not classed as male genital mutilation??
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"So for a while I’ve been wondering about circumcision in infancy for religious reasons - when there is no preeminent medical condition that the procedure is being used to alleviate why is this not classed as male genital mutilation??
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It is. If a child was to get an infection from this procedure that's done for anything other than medical reasons it will be raised as a safeguarding case. Unfortunately it's not seen quite the same as FGM but watch this space, it's in the pipeline. |
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"I don't know...maybe because foreskin removal won't necessarily impede a man's sexual enjoyment to the same extent as the removal of a clitoris might for a woman?"
Thats incorrect, removal of the foreskin has been shown to remove sensitivity of the penis. And the analogy you use is incorrect, removal of the foreskin would be akin to removal of the hood of the clitoris.
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"I don't know...maybe because foreskin removal won't necessarily impede a man's sexual enjoyment to the same extent as the removal of a clitoris might for a woman?
Thats incorrect, removal of the foreskin has been shown to remove sensitivity of the penis. And the analogy you use is incorrect, removal of the foreskin would be akin to removal of the hood of the clitoris.
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"I had my foreskin removed when I was very young. So I don't miss it, can't see that it's mutilation as personally I'm glad it was removed  "
You don't see a problem with cutting skin from a child's penis for no reason, risking infection, taking them to an unlicensed surgeon or another country (it went be performed in the UK unless for medical reasons) etc. OK then. |
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I had it done for medical purposes as a child and I'm glad I did because hygiene is a piece of piss 
Having foreskin does look like it feels nice for the bloke though, the skin sliding up and down the helmet |
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"I had it done for medical purposes as a child and I'm glad I did because hygiene is a piece of piss
Having foreskin does look like it feels nice for the bloke though, the skin sliding up and down the helmet"
pnce its overthe helmet its a pig to retrieve it tbh |
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It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man. |
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"It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man. "
Just asking, (as I don't know) but doesn't that mean as he'd last longer, women could find that desirable? |
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"It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man.
Just asking, (as I don't know) but doesn't that mean as he'd last longer, women could find that desirable?"
I had it done as child for medical reasons. It does mean you last longer and it can take a bit longer to "wake up".
It is however easier to clean and I have read that medically it has been shown to be less likely to get infected or to pass on infections.
It is an emotive subject for some. However, I would say it is not Male GM. |
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"It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man.
Just asking, (as I don't know) but doesn't that mean as he'd last longer, women could find that desirable?"
Yh i don't think that makes that much of a difference to be honest. That's just a mental Thing too excited, too many thoughts flying around. |
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"It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man.
Just asking, (as I don't know) but doesn't that mean as he'd last longer, women could find that desirable?
I had it done as child for medical reasons. It does mean you last longer and it can take a bit longer to "wake up".
It is however easier to clean and I have read that medically it has been shown to be less likely to get infected or to pass on infections.
It is an emotive subject for some. However, I would say it is not Male GM."
It's really not hard to keep a healthy intact penis clean! |
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"It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man.
Just asking, (as I don't know) but doesn't that mean as he'd last longer, women could find that desirable?
I had it done as child for medical reasons. It does mean you last longer and it can take a bit longer to "wake up".
It is however easier to clean and I have read that medically it has been shown to be less likely to get infected or to pass on infections.
It is an emotive subject for some. However, I would say it is not Male GM.
It's really not hard to keep a healthy intact penis clean! "
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"It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man.
Just asking, (as I don't know) but doesn't that mean as he'd last longer, women could find that desirable?
I had it done as child for medical reasons. It does mean you last longer and it can take a bit longer to "wake up".
It is however easier to clean and I have read that medically it has been shown to be less likely to get infected or to pass on infections.
It is an emotive subject for some. However, I would say it is not Male GM.
It's really not hard to keep a healthy intact penis clean! "
Precisely. I have to wonder for Men sometimes.its extremely easy. I mean to get your foreskin cut off because it's cleaner is near scary thinking when you wash it the same. |
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I was cut as a very young child. I wish I’d asked my parents why but that wasn’t a conversation we were ever going to have! Knowing them to have been good, caring, moral people I am absolutely certain that it was done because there were sound medical reasons.
It’s never bothered me that I don’t have a foreskin and more than one lover has commented favourably on the aesthetic and practical advantages of the circumcised cock.
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"So for a while I’ve been wondering about circumcision in infancy for religious reasons - when there is no preeminent medical condition that the procedure is being used to alleviate why is this not classed as male genital mutilation??
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I was done. It's all I know. But I'm glad I was. I like it. Others like it. Not sure what the problem is. |
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Because men still don’t have autonomy over their own body. We get mutilated at birth and many women cheer it on because they prefer the way it looks. Never mind the botched ones where permanent damage is done. Or the 1000s of nerve ending designed to make sex enjoyable are lopped off |
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"It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man.
Just asking, (as I don't know) but doesn't that mean as he'd last longer, women could find that desirable?
I had it done as child for medical reasons. It does mean you last longer and it can take a bit longer to "wake up".
It is however easier to clean and I have read that medically it has been shown to be less likely to get infected or to pass on infections.
It is an emotive subject for some. However, I would say it is not Male GM.
It's really not hard to keep a healthy intact penis clean!
Id like to have a woman in 3 Or 4 times a week to do Some dusting and general maintenance "
Is that an option? On the nhs? |
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"All forms of body mutilation under taken on children in the name of religion are wrong - simple as that. "
I'd agree with that.
What's the reason for circumcision? Isn't the main benefit to keep the cock clean?
I don't understand why they have to go to such extreme lengths on a small child... my partner isn't cut and I've never once thought he isn't clean.
It's rather unpleasant and not something I'd ever be a part of. |
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"All forms of body mutilation under taken on children in the name of religion are wrong - simple as that.
I'd agree with that.
What's the reason for circumcision? Isn't the main benefit to keep the cock clean?
I don't understand why they have to go to such extreme lengths on a small child... my partner isn't cut and I've never once thought he isn't clean.
It's rather unpleasant and not something I'd ever be a part of."
In what way would you be a part of it? |
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There will always be a distinction drawn with FGM for the simple reason that many people have it done for medical reasons - I don't think they're a single woman anywhere who has had her vulva and clitoris removed for anything other than religious/cultural beliefs. The fact it will remain relatively common and accepted means that it isn't possible to know why a partner had it done so will be easy to disguise.
It does reduce sensitivity by all accounts, I had it done at about 3 for medical reasons and don't know any different. It also makes masturbation without artificial lubricant very difficult but on the plus side it's always clean and I last longer.
I believe the reduced risk of infection is has been dismissed though tbh I've not read into it. I've no doubt it is hotly debated on the internet by people with very strong opinions.
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"Because men still don’t have autonomy over their own body. We get mutilated at birth and many women cheer it on because they prefer the way it looks. Never mind the botched ones where permanent damage is done. Or the 1000s of nerve ending designed to make sex enjoyable are lopped off "
I had a partner many years ago that was circumcised for medical reasons, and it did go very wrong resulting in scarring, desensitisation. And frankly he was really embarrassed about it too. He spoke about it before we even got as far as the bedroom, and clearly it was a conversation he'd always felt he had to have with a prospective partner. I mean lots of us have scars, or even general body stuff we feel self conscious regarding. But when it's your genitals I do think it's a pretty big deal sadly |
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As far as I'm concerned, it is an unacceptable mutilation and I'd support banning the circumcision of boys for religious reasons. Valid medical reasons only.
What the heck kind of divine creator managed to create a being whereby the being is only accept to this creator if you chop a bit off after birth?! It's ludicrous.
No circumcision would be just fine in my book (valid medical reasons are separate). |
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"It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man.
Just asking, (as I don't know) but doesn't that mean as he'd last longer, women could find that desirable?
I had it done as child for medical reasons. It does mean you last longer and it can take a bit longer to "wake up".
It is however easier to clean and I have read that medically it has been shown to be less likely to get infected or to pass on infections.
It is an emotive subject for some. However, I would say it is not Male GM.
It's really not hard to keep a healthy intact penis clean!
Id like to have a woman in 3 Or 4 times a week to do Some dusting and general maintenance
Is that an option? On the nhs? "
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"All forms of body mutilation under taken on children in the name of religion are wrong - simple as that.
I'd agree with that.
What's the reason for circumcision? Isn't the main benefit to keep the cock clean?
I don't understand why they have to go to such extreme lengths on a small child... my partner isn't cut and I've never once thought he isn't clean.
It's rather unpleasant and not something I'd ever be a part of.
In what way would you be a part of it? "
I meant that as in if I had a son. I'd never do something like that. It's his choice to make as an adult, not mine as his parent. |
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I mean nobody goes around having children and it's a common practise to lop off another healthy body part is it? Congrats on your newborn... 'would you like us to amputate a finger, or toe?'  |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"I don't know...maybe because foreskin removal won't necessarily impede a man's sexual enjoyment to the same extent as the removal of a clitoris might for a woman?
Thats incorrect, removal of the foreskin has been shown to remove sensitivity of the penis. And the analogy you use is incorrect, removal of the foreskin would be akin to removal of the hood of the clitoris.
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There was no analogy, the question is raised by the OP in comparing the two. FGM vs circumcision, hence discussion.
The answer given is opinion to the procedures. One being complete removal of a sexual organ the other being removal of skin.
Your idea that circumcision removes sensitivity is incorrect - at least according to a 2020 pubmed study reviewing 2675 publications relating to it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23937309/ |
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"I don't know...maybe because foreskin removal won't necessarily impede a man's sexual enjoyment to the same extent as the removal of a clitoris might for a woman?
Thats incorrect, removal of the foreskin has been shown to remove sensitivity of the penis. And the analogy you use is incorrect, removal of the foreskin would be akin to removal of the hood of the clitoris.
There was no analogy, the question is raised by the OP in comparing the two. FGM vs circumcision, hence discussion.
The answer given is opinion to the procedures. One being complete removal of a sexual organ the other being removal of skin.
Your idea that circumcision removes sensitivity is incorrect - at least according to a 2020 pubmed study reviewing 2675 publications relating to it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23937309/"
OP made no mention of FGM - deliberately as they are entirely different procedures. No comparison to be drawn. |
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"I don't know...maybe because foreskin removal won't necessarily impede a man's sexual enjoyment to the same extent as the removal of a clitoris might for a woman?
Thats incorrect, removal of the foreskin has been shown to remove sensitivity of the penis. And the analogy you use is incorrect, removal of the foreskin would be akin to removal of the hood of the clitoris.
There was no analogy, the question is raised by the OP in comparing the two. FGM vs circumcision, hence discussion.
The answer given is opinion to the procedures. One being complete removal of a sexual organ the other being removal of skin.
Your idea that circumcision removes sensitivity is incorrect - at least according to a 2020 pubmed study reviewing 2675 publications relating to it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23937309/
OP made no mention of FGM - deliberately as they are entirely different procedures. No comparison to be drawn. "
Wouldn't it just be described as genital mutilation without needing to put the adage of male? Everybody know who circumcision affects. |
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Probably best however to ask those who have been done and see if they have a problem with it? Is it gm? Not sure it is... Is it a procedure on the genitals.. Yes of course it is. To those passionately opposed... Do you feel the same argument about abortion? |
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"It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man.
Just asking, (as I don't know) but doesn't that mean as he'd last longer, women could find that desirable?
I had it done as child for medical reasons. It does mean you last longer and it can take a bit longer to "wake up".
It is however easier to clean and I have read that medically it has been shown to be less likely to get infected or to pass on infections.
It is an emotive subject for some. However, I would say it is not Male GM."
I agree. Also had done as a child for medical reasons. I love it as it is. Feels clean and medically that it the case too according to studies I've seen. Always feels very sensitive so if that's desensitized then heaven help the uncut. They must explode at the slightest touch!  |
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"It's not natural, simply. I won't go into the intricates of why. But let's just say.Small penis swell and heal with a little more size. Besides that it's totally unnatural and desensitises sex for the man.
Just asking, (as I don't know) but doesn't that mean as he'd last longer, women could find that desirable?
I had it done as child for medical reasons. It does mean you last longer and it can take a bit longer to "wake up".
It is however easier to clean and I have read that medically it has been shown to be less likely to get infected or to pass on infections.
It is an emotive subject for some. However, I would say it is not Male GM.
I agree. Also had done as a child for medical reasons. I love it as it is. Feels clean and medically that it the case too according to studies I've seen. Always feels very sensitive so if that's desensitized then heaven help the uncut. They must explode at the slightest touch! "
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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The irony involved in religion based circumcision is hilarious.
God created man in his own image (allegedly) and man decides that God fucked up and that a little excess genital skin needs removing.
But only in boys, not girls.
Morons.
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"There will always be a distinction drawn with FGM for the simple reason that many people have it done for medical reasons - I don't think they're a single woman anywhere who has had her vulva and clitoris removed for anything other than religious/cultural beliefs. The fact it will remain relatively common and accepted means that it isn't possible to know why a partner had it done so will be easy to disguise.
It does reduce sensitivity by all accounts, I had it done at about 3 for medical reasons and don't know any different. It also makes masturbation without artificial lubricant very difficult but on the plus side it's always clean and I last longer.
I believe the reduced risk of infection is has been dismissed though tbh I've not read into it. I've no doubt it is hotly debated on the internet by people with very strong opinions.
Mr"
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"As far as I'm concerned, it is an unacceptable mutilation and I'd support banning the circumcision of boys for religious reasons. Valid medical reasons only.
What the heck kind of divine creator managed to create a being whereby the being is only accept to this creator if you chop a bit off after birth?! It's ludicrous.
No circumcision would be just fine in my book (valid medical reasons are separate). "
FGM is usually driven by the mumbo jumbo requirements of a man made religion that wishes to prevent females from experiencing sexual pleasure.
If however we are talking about what the Divine Creator is thinking about what we are doing with the body we were given how would he/she/they/it view all the inking that people chose to do to themselves? "I give you all over matching skin and you go drawing on it!"  Freedom of choice for adults; protect children. |
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It is 100% most definitely genital mutilation.
It happens to the genitals and it is mutilation. Definition of mutilation is "infliction of serious damage on something" the foreskin is most definitely seriously damaged.
What we are talking about is people either saying its acceptable or unacceptable?
To use the most direct comparison, how many people think it would be acceptable for females to have their
Clitoral hood removed in hospital for religious reasons? |
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"Probably best however to ask those who have been done and see if they have a problem with it? Is it gm? Not sure it is... Is it a procedure on the genitals.. Yes of course it is. To those passionately opposed... Do you feel the same argument about abortion? "
What a ridiculous comparison. Cutting skin from a babies genitals for no reason or a woman having autonomy over her own body |
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"Because men still don’t have autonomy over their own body. We get mutilated at birth and many women cheer it on because they prefer the way it looks. Never mind the botched ones where permanent damage is done. Or the 1000s of nerve ending designed to make sex enjoyable are lopped off "
Sad truth right here.
If you were cut with no lasting side effects the great but many guys weren't so lucky.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-47292307.amp
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"Probably best however to ask those who have been done and see if they have a problem with it? Is it gm? Not sure it is... Is it a procedure on the genitals.. Yes of course it is. To those passionately opposed... Do you feel the same argument about abortion?
What a ridiculous comparison. Cutting skin from a babies genitals for no reason or a woman having autonomy over her own body "
I was circumcised and have never had any feelings of upset about it.
The parents that do it though really do believe they have a reason. For them it is very real.
That is what we are fighting against. To make it more understandable, try telling a devout Catholic to not cross themselves? |
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"I don't know...maybe because foreskin removal won't necessarily impede a man's sexual enjoyment to the same extent as the removal of a clitoris might for a woman?"
As a man who was circumcised in his 30s due to medical reasons, this is a weak counter argument at best. Not having a pop at your comment or you because it's a general thought that its not bad for males compared to females. A lot of people think it. Just saying
I can say first hand that there is a loss of sensation. Did it impede me? No. But I'd rather have that sensation back. But that's the norm, rather than the exception. I know from speaking to others that's the norm for circumcision for those later in life. If done in infacy you'll never know what you lost.
But then there's the complications that can arise...and they do.plenty of documented instances around the world. Infections or worse, complete genital.mutilation because some religious nut was doing something he shouldn't be.
Is it as bad as what happen to women in certain cultures? No and Yes. No because the damage is way less if done properly but yes because it shouldn't be happening to an infant period. If a consenting adult wants it, sure. That's an adult making the choice but not infants ever. Should be banned for males as well.
Need to stop with this religious and cultural bollocks that effects people their whole life on both sides....even when they're not fully aware of what did happen to them or seem overly bothered by it later in life.
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