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Nine in 10 NHS dental practices across the UK are not accepting new adult patients for treatment under the Health Service.....
And eight in 10 NHS practices are not taking on children.....
No dentists taking on adult NHS patients could be found in a third of the UK's top-tier councils.....
The lack of NHS appointments has led people to drive hundreds of miles in search of treatment, pull out their own teeth without anaesthesia, resort to making their own improvised dentures and restrict their long-term diets to little more than soup.....
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We have been almost forced into going private. It's very expensive and we only go if absolutely unavoidable. The quality of the NHS dentists in this area is so poor and what they can do under the NHS so limited that despite the cost it's actually saved us money in the long run. |
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"We have an NHS dentist. It's the one we signed up with in 2004 when we were at uni and never unsigned up. We go once a year for a family day out!"
I've been with the same dentist for years and it was NHS when I joined but a lot of dentists have since left and they've been unable to recruit dentists who will offer NHS appointments so it's now a 5 month wait for NHS appointments and they're asking us to drop check ups to every 2 years. The exact same at my mum's dentists and she's been with them since 1997. |
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It's an easy solution. Just do what they do with the doctors. If you're trained by the NHS, you have to do a certain number of hours for the NHS before you can do private practice if you work in this country. The Torys would never do it though. |
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I'm lucky to be at a dentists anyway but they aren't taking on new patients. They aren't great dentists though so I go private for more complicated procedures and let the NHS dentist do fillings and easy stuff. |
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I was lucky that my last dentist really annoyed their controlling body (not sure who that is for dentists, is it a commissioning body? PCT? LHB?).
Because of the huge row that erupted the local NHS committed to finding every patient who wanted to move a new NHS dentist. Mine is about 10 miles away but is brilliant and I'm very lucky to have them. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Seem to all be dropping their NHS contracts and chasing the money by making us all go Private........"
Even private appointments can be hard to get unless you agree to go for checkups 2-3 times a year many will de-list you .
I only go for cleaning and if there’s a problem. No one should need regular checkups unless they have a specific health issue, teeth are not difficult to maintain yourself |
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"I was lucky that my last dentist really annoyed their controlling body (not sure who that is for dentists, is it a commissioning body? PCT? LHB?).
Because of the huge row that erupted the local NHS committed to finding every patient who wanted to move a new NHS dentist. Mine is about 10 miles away but is brilliant and I'm very lucky to have them."
Oh, meant to add: they don't make any money on NHS dentistry, they offer a lot of cosmetic type procedures that make money for the practice (fillers, botox, tooth whitening etc) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The problem with dentists & doctors is a huge failure of central government the last 20/30 years. Yet (so far) we still elect the same failed parties. I'd vote for a (new?) party whose focus was fixing this problem. It's so fundamental. |
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I've been with my NHS dentist for quite awhile and go twice a year for check ups, due to having receding gums.
I am paying the fee for 1 min in the chair, I've not needed any treatments from the dentist.
I go to hygienist also, private.
I would like to see another dentist as I'm not keen on mine but no practice is taking on patients around here.
It is awful that people are unable to get to see a dentist, NHS or private.
I can't see our NHS getting the funding that it actually needs from the government and we will be forced into getting private health cover.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’ve been with my dentist my whole life luckily never had problems there but I really feel for those that can’t get on.
It’s a right mess the UK dentistry no wonder people go abroad for stuff done. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I see mine privately (last Friday for a checkup). When I called I had the option of seeing an NHS dentist within the practice, but not my preferred one, who I think is quite good. The difference in price between a checkup privately and on the NHS was negligible and I got an appointment that week. With the checkup, for a little bit more, he also does a clean. Just a back of a bar mat calculation, but overall he's either cheaper or a touch more than what I'd have to pay seeing an NHS dentist. It now turns out that I need a filling redone. The difference in cost for a white filling was maybe £30. It was a no-brainer to keep seeing him privately. The guy has given me good advice over the period I've been under his care and I look after my teeth well (unlike when I was younger, necessitating the odd filling) so I don't think I'm going to have any massive costs coming up privately. There I go tempting fate ...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nine in 10 NHS dental practices across the UK are not accepting new adult patients for treatment under the Health Service.....
And eight in 10 NHS practices are not taking on children.....
No dentists taking on adult NHS patients could be found in a third of the UK's top-tier councils.....
The lack of NHS appointments has led people to drive hundreds of miles in search of treatment, pull out their own teeth without anaesthesia, resort to making their own improvised dentures and restrict their long-term diets to little more than soup.....
This is a sorry state of affairs "
If your city has a dental hospital with walk in appointments and you’re not registered with a dentist then this is the place to go. Here in Edinburgh we have one. And I know many people have been there for problematic teeth.
The reason practices aren’t taking on new patients is because they simply are not fully open yet. My own dentist worked 5 full days per week as did the other 3 dentists in the practice, since Covid they’ve only worked 2 days each, with only two dentists being on at the same time, because two dentists work upstairs and two at ground level. During lockdown they weren’t allowed to use the upstairs, they can now but all the dentists are still part time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Almost impossible to find an NHS dentist in South East.
I am lucky and have a fantastic dentist now, although a private practice. I travel from France to see him and he’s the best dentist I’ve ever had.
Under his excellent care I now only go for a check up once a year and hygienist twice a year.
At one time I had a phobia about dentists due to a sadist who mistreated me as a child and only used to go if I had a problem.
I will say that in France it is very difficult in some areas to find a dentist as well, and Drs taking new patients - so it’s not just the U.K. |
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"I couldn't get an appointment in my normal dentist as an NHS patient, but got one for the next day as a private patient. "
it is amazing how quick you can find appointments if you can afford to go the private route I had the same issue last year where I needed emergency treat ment and couldn't get an nhs appointment anywhere but had plenty of appointments offered same day if I wanted to pay £250 + medication costs |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I couldn't get an appointment in my normal dentist as an NHS patient, but got one for the next day as a private patient.
In the same practise I might add"
Thought that was obvious as you cannot be registered to two dentists at the same time  |
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I watched it on bbc news, I get what people are saying but the chap that pulled his own tooth out hadn’t used his dentist in years and they took him off there books. If he’d use it regularly he would have kept his slot |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"I couldn't get an appointment in my normal dentist as an NHS patient, but got one for the next day as a private patient.
In the same practise I might add
Thought that was obvious as you cannot be registered to two dentists at the same time "
I like to clarify my posts as people nitpick what I say a lot when I do post. ..even clarifying doesn't help by the looks of it 
I am not sure there is a register that stops you registering with more than one dentist. |
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"I watched it on bbc news, I get what people are saying but the chap that pulled his own tooth out hadn’t used his dentist in years and they took him off there books. If he’d use it regularly he would have kept his slot"
Maybe he couldn't afford the check up fee every six months plus the hygienist visits |
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I couldn't even get in to a dentist privately around me. I drive nearly 2 hrs each way to visit a private dentist - not because I consider him the best, just because it's a dentist that could take me on and do what I wanted.
It was bad enough before covid, now it's near on impossible to find anyone.
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"I couldn't get an appointment in my normal dentist as an NHS patient, but got one for the next day as a private patient.
In the same practise I might add"
Same here, I can have a private appointment next day, at the dentist that deregistered me for not going during Covid restrictions... |
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"Nine in 10 NHS dental practices across the UK are not accepting new adult patients for treatment under the Health Service.....
And eight in 10 NHS practices are not taking on children.....
No dentists taking on adult NHS patients could be found in a third of the UK's top-tier councils.....
The lack of NHS appointments has led people to drive hundreds of miles in search of treatment, pull out their own teeth without anaesthesia, resort to making their own improvised dentures and restrict their long-term diets to little more than soup.....
This is a sorry state of affairs
If your city has a dental hospital with walk in appointments and you’re not registered with a dentist then this is the place to go. Here in Edinburgh we have one. And I know many people have been there for problematic teeth.
The reason practices aren’t taking on new patients is because they simply are not fully open yet. My own dentist worked 5 full days per week as did the other 3 dentists in the practice, since Covid they’ve only worked 2 days each, with only two dentists being on at the same time, because two dentists work upstairs and two at ground level. During lockdown they weren’t allowed to use the upstairs, they can now but all the dentists are still part time. "
Manchester Dental Hospital (pretty much the only one for the whole of Greater Manchester, I think) is so over subscribed that they will only deal with very urgent cases. Theres no walk in check ups or anything remotely routine, you have to be in pretty serious need for the dental hospital to deal with you. |
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My dental practice wont see patients if they’ve had a check up within 4 years!!
That’s because, as the biggest practice they had to look after patients of smaller, non ventilated surgeries during lockdown!
I’m forced to go private now! NHS in wales is in a shocking state as it is!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I couldn't get an appointment in my normal dentist as an NHS patient, but got one for the next day as a private patient.
In the same practise I might add
Thought that was obvious as you cannot be registered to two dentists at the same time
I like to clarify my posts as people nitpick what I say a lot when I do post. ..even clarifying doesn't help by the looks of it
I am not sure there is a register that stops you registering with more than one dentist."
I wasn’t nitpicking. First thing a dentist practice will ask you when registering is if you are registered to another practice, if you say yes they won’t go further |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I watched it on bbc news, I get what people are saying but the chap that pulled his own tooth out hadn’t used his dentist in years and they took him off there books. If he’d use it regularly he would have kept his slot
Maybe he couldn't afford the check up fee every six months plus the hygienist visits"
There’s nothing to say you have to visit a hygienist every 6 months. I got sucked into the original dental hospital, I was sent there by my dentist yers ago, can’t remember why, but it went from one visit to every 6 months to every three months til I asked why and they said I’d agreed to let the students do hygiene on my teeth, I had done no such thing and cancelled the next appointment |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"I couldn't get an appointment in my normal dentist as an NHS patient, but got one for the next day as a private patient.
In the same practise I might add
Thought that was obvious as you cannot be registered to two dentists at the same time
I like to clarify my posts as people nitpick what I say a lot when I do post. ..even clarifying doesn't help by the looks of it
I am not sure there is a register that stops you registering with more than one dentist.
I wasn’t nitpicking. First thing a dentist practice will ask you when registering is if you are registered to another practice, if you say yes they won’t go further "
Again, there is nothing stopping you registering with two dentists, so my answer would not have been "obvious as you can't register with two dentists at one time"
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"I couldn't get an appointment in my normal dentist as an NHS patient, but got one for the next day as a private patient.
In the same practise I might add
Thought that was obvious as you cannot be registered to two dentists at the same time
I like to clarify my posts as people nitpick what I say a lot when I do post. ..even clarifying doesn't help by the looks of it
I am not sure there is a register that stops you registering with more than one dentist.
I wasn’t nitpicking. First thing a dentist practice will ask you when registering is if you are registered to another practice, if you say yes they won’t go further
Again, there is nothing stopping you registering with two dentists, so my answer would not have been "obvious as you can't register with two dentists at one time"
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I think there is a central NHS record but there's almost certainly no central record for private. Therefore I'd imagine you could be registered with one NHS and one private or two private dentists, but not two NHS ones. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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Does everyone tell their old dentist they have moved and don't need them anymore then register with a new one? I didn't. Then I got a text 6 months after from the old Dentist to ask to book the normal 6 month check up. Both were as an NHS patient
There was no block to not register with a new one
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"Nine in 10 NHS dental practices across the UK are not accepting new adult patients for treatment under the Health Service.....
And eight in 10 NHS practices are not taking on children.....
No dentists taking on adult NHS patients could be found in a third of the UK's top-tier councils.....
The lack of NHS appointments has led people to drive hundreds of miles in search of treatment, pull out their own teeth without anaesthesia, resort to making their own improvised dentures and restrict their long-term diets to little more than soup.....
This is a sorry state of affairs
If your city has a dental hospital with walk in appointments and you’re not registered with a dentist then this is the place to go. Here in Edinburgh we have one. And I know many people have been there for problematic teeth.
The reason practices aren’t taking on new patients is because they simply are not fully open yet. My own dentist worked 5 full days per week as did the other 3 dentists in the practice, since Covid they’ve only worked 2 days each, with only two dentists being on at the same time, because two dentists work upstairs and two at ground level. During lockdown they weren’t allowed to use the upstairs, they can now but all the dentists are still part time. "
I’ve been waiting for an NHS dentist for over 4 years. This has been a problem since before Covid |
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"Does everyone tell their old dentist they have moved and don't need them anymore then register with a new one? I didn't. Then I got a text 6 months after from the old Dentist to ask to book the normal 6 month check up. Both were as an NHS patient
There was no block to not register with a new one
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Upon reading more about it, one does not have to register at all with a dentist. Anyone is entitled to NHS treatment from any dentist, if they meet the criteria for NHS care. However, an individual is only entitled to NHS-funded treatment if a dentist says it's necessary, e.g. if the dentist says one check up (band 1) in a year, you cannot insist on going every 6 months.
Interestingly for the thread, it also says:
Your NHS dentist should not:
Offer NHS treatment to children on condition that a parent/guardian becomes a private patient
Suggest NHS treatment is substandard
Make you pay privately for an examination to assess whether you will be accepted for NHS treatment
Charge you for missed appointments for NHS treatment
Charge you a deposit before any assesment of your treatment needs have been carried out.
Hopefully we don't have lots of people double registered, because that means people who lack an NHS dentist cannot get a place. |
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"Upon reading more about it, one does not have to register at all with a dentist. Anyone is entitled to NHS treatment from any dentist, if they meet the criteria for NHS care. However, an individual is only entitled to NHS-funded treatment if a dentist says it's necessary, e.g. if the dentist says one check up (band 1) in a year, you cannot insist on going every 6 months.
Interestingly for the thread, it also says:
Your NHS dentist should not:
Offer NHS treatment to children on condition that a parent/guardian becomes a private patient
Suggest NHS treatment is substandard
Make you pay privately for an examination to assess whether you will be accepted for NHS treatment
Charge you for missed appointments for NHS treatment
Charge you a deposit before any assesment of your treatment needs have been carried out.
Hopefully we don't have lots of people double registered, because that means people who lack an NHS dentist cannot get a place. "
Charging for missed appointments - my dentist charges £30 if you don’t cancel your appointment with at least 24 hours notice. As someone on benefits this is a lot of money not easily afforded |
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By *ugby 123Couple
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Charging for missed appointments - my dentist charges £30 if you don’t cancel your appointment with at least 24 hours notice. As someone on benefits this is a lot of money not easily afforded "
If that is an NHS one they shouldn't be doing that.
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/dentists/what-happens-when-you-visit-the-dentist/ |
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We signed up with Denplan quite a few years ago and it's not too expensive as long as your teeth are in OK nick when you first sign up.
They will open the surgery at night and weekends if you are having problems.
Wish it could all be NHS but sadly can't see it returning.
The NHS payment to dentists (as they are all mostly private businesses, even though they do NHS work) is quite complex.
Maybe a few new practices set up and owned by NHS with salaried dentists working in these clinics could help for emergency work.
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"Does everyone tell their old dentist they have moved and don't need them anymore then register with a new one? I didn't. Then I got a text 6 months after from the old Dentist to ask to book the normal 6 month check up. Both were as an NHS patient
There was no block to not register with a new one
Upon reading more about it, one does not have to register at all with a dentist.
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"Upon reading more about it, one does not have to register at all with a dentist. Anyone is entitled to NHS treatment from any dentist, if they meet the criteria for NHS care. However, an individual is only entitled to NHS-funded treatment if a dentist says it's necessary, e.g. if the dentist says one check up (band 1) in a year, you cannot insist on going every 6 months.
Interestingly for the thread, it also says:
Your NHS dentist should not:
Offer NHS treatment to children on condition that a parent/guardian becomes a private patient
Suggest NHS treatment is substandard
Make you pay privately for an examination to assess whether you will be accepted for NHS treatment
Charge you for missed appointments for NHS treatment
Charge you a deposit before any assesment of your treatment needs have been carried out.
Hopefully we don't have lots of people double registered, because that means people who lack an NHS dentist cannot get a place.
Charging for missed appointments - my dentist charges £30 if you don’t cancel your appointment with at least 24 hours notice. As someone on benefits this is a lot of money not easily afforded "
The information I shared is from the NHS website in England so I don't know if the Scottish NHS, with its devolved powers, have different rules. It should be freely available online though. |
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Suspect it's a similar problem to GP shortages. Substantial pension benefits being hit with huge tax charges due to never ending governmental tinkering with pensions, plus stress and burnout resulting from long working hours, means many medical professionals are retiring early, and there aren't enough 'trainees' coming through to meet the demand.
Yet more evidence of the employment challenges facing all sectors at the moment after Brexit and post-pandemic where Europeans re-settled back home and many fuloughed or laid off during lockdown realised they didn't need to go back to work.
Perfect storm going on at the moment with lack of workforce and cost of living crisis |
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Charging for missed appointments - my dentist charges £30 if you don’t cancel your appointment with at least 24 hours notice. As someone on benefits this is a lot of money not easily afforded
If that is an NHS one they shouldn't be doing that.
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/dentists/what-happens-when-you-visit-the-dentist/"
“ The dentist can charge if you miss or cancel an appointment at short notice. You should only be charged if: there is a sign at the surgery explaining the charge for cancelled appointments. the dentist has lost income - if they were able to see another patient instead, they shouldn't charge.
NHS dental treatment - Citizens Advice Scotland”
Any dentist can charge for a missed appointment if there is a sign saying so in the surgery. It’s at their discretion |
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Charging for missed appointments - my dentist charges £30 if you don’t cancel your appointment with at least 24 hours notice. As someone on benefits this is a lot of money not easily afforded
If that is an NHS one they shouldn't be doing that.
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/dentists/what-happens-when-you-visit-the-dentist/
“ The dentist can charge if you miss or cancel an appointment at short notice. You should only be charged if: there is a sign at the surgery explaining the charge for cancelled appointments. the dentist has lost income - if they were able to see another patient instead, they shouldn't charge.
NHS dental treatment - Citizens Advice Scotland”
Any dentist can charge for a missed appointment if there is a sign saying so in the surgery. It’s at their discretion "
In Scotland, yes. But the information I posted the other day is from NHS England and that explicitly said no charges could be made for missed appointments in England. |
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Charging for missed appointments - my dentist charges £30 if you don’t cancel your appointment with at least 24 hours notice. As someone on benefits this is a lot of money not easily afforded
If that is an NHS one they shouldn't be doing that.
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/dentists/what-happens-when-you-visit-the-dentist/
“ The dentist can charge if you miss or cancel an appointment at short notice. You should only be charged if: there is a sign at the surgery explaining the charge for cancelled appointments. the dentist has lost income - if they were able to see another patient instead, they shouldn't charge.
NHS dental treatment - Citizens Advice Scotland”
Any dentist can charge for a missed appointment if there is a sign saying so in the surgery. It’s at their discretion
In Scotland, yes. But the information I posted the other day is from NHS England and that explicitly said no charges could be made for missed appointments in England. "
No ANY dentist wherever they are can charge a fee if they have a sign up in the waiting room advising of it. And only if you miss an appointment but don’t tell them. Though my dentists are just money grabbing barstools |
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Charging for missed appointments - my dentist charges £30 if you don’t cancel your appointment with at least 24 hours notice. As someone on benefits this is a lot of money not easily afforded
If that is an NHS one they shouldn't be doing that.
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/dentists/what-happens-when-you-visit-the-dentist/
“ The dentist can charge if you miss or cancel an appointment at short notice. You should only be charged if: there is a sign at the surgery explaining the charge for cancelled appointments. the dentist has lost income - if they were able to see another patient instead, they shouldn't charge.
NHS dental treatment - Citizens Advice Scotland”
Any dentist can charge for a missed appointment if there is a sign saying so in the surgery. It’s at their discretion
In Scotland, yes. But the information I posted the other day is from NHS England and that explicitly said no charges could be made for missed appointments in England.
No ANY dentist wherever they are can charge a fee if they have a sign up in the waiting room advising of it. And only if you miss an appointment but don’t tell them. Though my dentists are just money grabbing barstools "
The bit right at the bottom says you should not be charged if you miss an appointment for NHS treatment (in England):
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/dentists/what-happens-when-you-visit-the-dentist/ |
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Charging for missed appointments - my dentist charges £30 if you don’t cancel your appointment with at least 24 hours notice. As someone on benefits this is a lot of money not easily afforded
If that is an NHS one they shouldn't be doing that.
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/dentists/what-happens-when-you-visit-the-dentist/
“ The dentist can charge if you miss or cancel an appointment at short notice. You should only be charged if: there is a sign at the surgery explaining the charge for cancelled appointments. the dentist has lost income - if they were able to see another patient instead, they shouldn't charge.
NHS dental treatment - Citizens Advice Scotland”
Any dentist can charge for a missed appointment if there is a sign saying so in the surgery. It’s at their discretion
In Scotland, yes. But the information I posted the other day is from NHS England and that explicitly said no charges could be made for missed appointments in England.
No ANY dentist wherever they are can charge a fee if they have a sign up in the waiting room advising of it. And only if you miss an appointment but don’t tell them. Though my dentists are just money grabbing barstools
The bit right at the bottom says you should not be charged if you miss an appointment for NHS treatment (in England):
https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/dentists/what-happens-when-you-visit-the-dentist/"
Yes “should not” does not say “won’t be” I suggest you pose the question to your own dentist  |
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I've been trying to find an NHS dentist as I need a new denture. I phoned one dentist who said they were not taking NHS patients, but they did offer to do it privately for £800. Why are they allowed to turn down NHS patients when they obviously have the time and staff to treat people? |
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"I've been trying to find an NHS dentist as I need a new denture. I phoned one dentist who said they were not taking NHS patients, but they did offer to do it privately for £800. Why are they allowed to turn down NHS patients when they obviously have the time and staff to treat people?"
Because the £800 buys you the surgery time and the staff time. |
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