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Straight guys who won't meet men, but live to meet tv's
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I don't get why straight men will meet a TV, but not meet a single guy. I mean, what's the difference once the clothes come off???
Anyone explain it to me? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't get why straight men will meet a TV, but not meet a single guy. I mean, what's the difference once the clothes come off???
Anyone explain it to me?"
Hair, make-up, perfume, lingerie, aspects of femininity. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't get why straight men will meet a TV, but not meet a single guy. I mean, what's the difference once the clothes come off???
Anyone explain it to me?"
As fabs choices on gender are limited to M,F,TV/TS and abbreviations of these choices. Its a difficult question. A TV is not the same as a TS. A straight man meeting a TV is not the same as a straight man meeting a TS. |
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"I don't get why straight men will meet a TV, but not meet a single guy. I mean, what's the difference once the clothes come off???
Anyone explain it to me?"
It's a kink it might be anything from a panty wearer to a fully made up TV.
Single guys are probably more hairy and don't wear hi heels. |
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How many straight guys are meeting TS/TVs because they can't find a willing female/couple?
TS tend to be a lot more willing to meet. Incidentally men who choose to become TS tend to be more likely to find meets.
Its a wider societal trend, but also something I suspect occurs on fabs.
Not saying that seeking TS is entirely fueled by desperation/lack of opportunity in the hetero market, but yeah there's something in it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How many straight guys are meeting TS/TVs because they can't find a willing female/couple?
TS tend to be a lot more willing to meet. Incidentally men who choose to become TS tend to be more likely to find meets.
Its a wider societal trend, but also something I suspect occurs on fabs.
Not saying that seeking TS is entirely fueled by desperation/lack of opportunity in the hetero market, but yeah there's something in it."
Choose to become TS? |
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By *rder66Man
over a year ago
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"How many straight guys are meeting TS/TVs because they can't find a willing female/couple?
TS tend to be a lot more willing to meet. Incidentally men who choose to become TS tend to be more likely to find meets.
Its a wider societal trend, but also something I suspect occurs on fabs.
Not saying that seeking TS is entirely fueled by desperation/lack of opportunity in the hetero market, but yeah there's something in it."
It doesn't sound like you saying men become TS just to get meets, desperate men just turn top TS to get a shag because they can't get on one fab and TS are easy and all this is a growing social trend , at all.
What would gine you the impression someone would read that into your comment.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How many straight guys are meeting TS/TVs because they can't find a willing female/couple?
TS tend to be a lot more willing to meet. Incidentally men who choose to become TS tend to be more likely to find meets.
Its a wider societal trend, but also something I suspect occurs on fabs.
Not saying that seeking TS is entirely fueled by desperation/lack of opportunity in the hetero market, but yeah there's something in it."
Are you wise?
Not even sure where to start with this one |
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"How many straight guys are meeting TS/TVs because they can't find a willing female/couple?
TS tend to be a lot more willing to meet. Incidentally men who choose to become TS tend to be more likely to find meets.
Its a wider societal trend, but also something I suspect occurs on fabs.
Not saying that seeking TS is entirely fueled by desperation/lack of opportunity in the hetero market, but yeah there's something in it."
I'm rarely at dis-ease with what I read on here but this is not one of those rare times.
There are huge assumptions and implications behind what you ask and why ask it anyway?
It's clear you are not being honest or upfront in the thinking behind what you ask. Questions are not plucked from the air. They are formed by the thoughts and ideas being mulled over in someone's head.
If someone meets someone else for company or sex , why does another someone else find it necessary to question their reasons for meeting?
Why don't we question man meets woman or two women or more ?
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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago
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"How many straight guys are meeting TS/TVs because they can't find a willing female/couple?
TS tend to be a lot more willing to meet. Incidentally men who choose to become TS tend to be more likely to find meets.
Its a wider societal trend, but also something I suspect occurs on fabs.
Not saying that seeking TS is entirely fueled by desperation/lack of opportunity in the hetero market, but yeah there's something in it."
oh dear
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By *9alMan
over a year ago
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I dont describe myself as TV/TS but do sometimes dress for meets & have a few photos on my profile, I meet a few men who describe themselves as straight. we all have sexual needs why limit yourself |
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"I don't get why straight men will meet a TV, but not meet a single guy. I mean, what's the difference once the clothes come off???
Anyone explain it to me?
Hair, make-up, perfume, lingerie, aspects of femininity."
This, I imagine? As close to a woman, when there isn’t a woman to be had? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How many straight guys are meeting TS/TVs because they can't find a willing female/couple?
TS tend to be a lot more willing to meet. Incidentally men who choose to become TS tend to be more likely to find meets.
Its a wider societal trend, but also something I suspect occurs on fabs.
Not saying that seeking TS is entirely fueled by desperation/lack of opportunity in the hetero market, but yeah there's something in it."
Hetero massively outnumbers tv/ts on here and in the real world but sure that’s what it is  |
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By *aui.Man
over a year ago
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"How many straight guys are meeting TS/TVs because they can't find a willing female/couple?
TS tend to be a lot more willing to meet. Incidentally men who choose to become TS tend to be more likely to find meets.
Its a wider societal trend, but also something I suspect occurs on fabs.
Not saying that seeking TS is entirely fueled by desperation/lack of opportunity in the hetero market, but yeah there's something in it."
Profile says looking for open minded people, and yet...
I don't even know what to say about this. That's enough Internet for me this morning |
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By *aui.Man
over a year ago
around here |
In fact, in addition to my last post. That comment has clearly been written for effect, a reaction etc. This thread has been dormant for 39 weeks. They have clearly had to search for it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Some spot on points in this thread.
My personal take on Gay, straight, bi is that they can mean two things.
For example, sexually im bi meaning i will have sex with a male or a female. But i consider myself straight in a relationship/ appearance/ personality/ and every day normal life. A typical male avatar.
I would not consider a loving lifelong typical husband wife relationship with a man. Never say never i suppose but thats not what my mind and societal upbringing has made me.
I am not a bigot, i have evolved enough from recent generations to understand you dont pick who you are attracted to, you know as you grow what preference is in your core being. Because i am one way doesn't mean i regard people who have different foundations as wrong. You be you, please!!
Meeting TVs over males, personal preference, and possibly if you are honest to yourself easier to accept mentally if you are a conflicted "straight". For me, honestly, i just love sex with people i find sexually attractive.
The less hairy comment above is also spot on, for me anyway. I love smooth bodies, male, female, trans, smooth is my preference no matter who. I link this to hetero genes.
I dont seek out meets with guys that are hairy and overly masculine. Give me a smooth skinny pale guy any day of the week though 
This may sound horrible, but it isn't meant to be.... meeting with a TV or a gay male for sex is way, way easier and less complicated than meeting with a hetero female. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am kinda beyond worrying about how others self label
I am kinda indifferent to who they choose to sleep with too
It's not really up to a complete stranger to define my sexuality or tick a box for me
I currently live with a bloke an have done for some time, but my previous relationships have been with a mix of women and men
So, I guess on the basis of my current set up, some would say I am gay, others bi, others pan...
The label has never been too important to me, as long as those I meet with connect with me as a person |
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This may sound horrible, but it isn't meant to be.... meeting with a TV or a gay male for sex is way, way easier and less complicated than meeting with a hetero female. "
I totally get that mate. I’m offered “discreet bj, nothing expected in return” daily, yet I state I’m straight on my profile. In fact 3 separate offers only yesterday.
In the 10 years (or so) I’ve been using Fab, I’ve never received the offer of a bj from a woman….. 
Fab must be awesome for the bi guys   |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This may sound horrible, but it isn't meant to be.... meeting with a TV or a gay male for sex is way, way easier and less complicated than meeting with a hetero female.
I totally get that mate. I’m offered “discreet bj, nothing expected in return” daily, yet I state I’m straight on my profile. In fact 3 separate offers only yesterday.
In the 10 years (or so) I’ve been using Fab, I’ve never received the offer of a bj from a woman…..
Fab must be awesome for the bi guys "
It isn't
Bi guys get rejected by the 'straight hunters' for being honest about their sexuality
That's (partly) why many guys run a merry dance of stating straight whilst getting cheeky bj's off other blokes |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I currently live with a bloke an have done for some time, but my previous relationships have been with a mix of women and men."
I am sure you are settled in your loving co-habiting relationship - but it's interesting your profile says bisexual rather than gay?
In my DRAB (Dressed As A Boy - pre full time female) days, I've been in loving open relationships with guys who were bisexual but declared themselves "gay" so as not to sit on the fence. Kinda like you now?
Now I'm full time TS, I'm meeting bi guys who just can't live openly with a trans woman. I'm fed up being the "dirty secret".
What are your thoughts on living with a TS? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I currently live with a bloke an have done for some time, but my previous relationships have been with a mix of women and men.
I am sure you are settled in your loving co-habiting relationship - but it's interesting your profile says bisexual rather than gay?
In my DRAB (Dressed As A Boy - pre full time female) days, I've been in loving open relationships with guys who were bisexual but declared themselves "gay" so as not to sit on the fence. Kinda like you now?
Now I'm full time TS, I'm meeting bi guys who just can't live openly with a trans woman. I'm fed up being the "dirty secret".
What are your thoughts on living with a TS?"
Why would it say gay when that defines my current relationship dynamic as opposed to my sexuality?
The two aren't mutually dependent
I wouldn't have an issue with living with a TS if the dynamic was good and felt right
If I am honest though, younger me would have been bothered by it because I was desperate to "fit in"
As I have got older, the opinions of others have held little importance in my choices
Interestingly though, far more opinion has been expressed about our age gap than it has about us being in a same sex relationship |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"TS and TV two very different persons..
Don't confuse
It's all men pretending in women's clothes so not vastly different to the watcher even if the dresser wants you to think differently."
They are VASTLY different |
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"How many straight guys are meeting TS/TVs because they can't find a willing female/couple?
TS tend to be a lot more willing to meet. Incidentally men who choose to become TS tend to be more likely to find meets.
Its a wider societal trend, but also something I suspect occurs on fabs.
Not saying that seeking TS is entirely fueled by desperation/lack of opportunity in the hetero market, but yeah there's something in it.
I'm rarely at dis-ease with what I read on here but this is not one of those rare times.
There are huge assumptions and implications behind what you ask and why ask it anyway?
It's clear you are not being honest or upfront in the thinking behind what you ask. Questions are not plucked from the air. They are formed by the thoughts and ideas being mulled over in someone's head.
If someone meets someone else for company or sex , why does another someone else find it necessary to question their reasons for meeting?
Why don't we question man meets woman or two women or more ?
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What are the assumptions? That there are at least some straight guys on fabs who have met a TV as a substitute for a single woman. I know that may come across as offensive if you twist it some sort of way. But it is also a theory. Can it not just be left at that?
It is necessary to question human behavior to determine social & sexual trends. There is a huge volume of data that can be gleaned and made useful for various applications, many of which for good. I see no reason why such questions should be penalised, unless you think these are the questions best left for politicians or some other 'expert'.
This topic was about man meeting TV (man dressed as woman) as opposed to man meeting man (man dressed as man). So highlighting why they would prefer a man dressed as a woman, and that they may appear to find a preference of TV over a woman dressed as a woman too. Here I explained that it could be that for some guys they prefer or may find it easier to find a TV over a cis gendered woman.
End of. My motivation was simply to add a more rounded perspective than just man meets TV over a gay man.
If I broke some eggshells, then good. |
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"TS and TV two very different persons..
Don't confuse
It's all men pretending in women's clothes so not vastly different to the watcher even if the dresser wants you to think differently.
They are VASTLY different "
Vastly? It's whichever level of pretence you wish to adopt that changes, ultimately if you are a bloke you are a bloke whether pretending to be something you aren't or not.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"TS and TV two very different persons..
Don't confuse
It's all men pretending in women's clothes so not vastly different to the watcher even if the dresser wants you to think differently.
They are VASTLY different
Vastly? It's whichever level of pretence you wish to adopt that changes, ultimately if you are a bloke you are a bloke whether pretending to be something you aren't or not.
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For me, absolutely. For someone at the other end of the trans spectrum, it's not pretence |
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"TS and TV two very different persons..
Don't confuse
It's all men pretending in women's clothes so not vastly different to the watcher even if the dresser wants you to think differently.
They are VASTLY different
Vastly? It's whichever level of pretence you wish to adopt that changes, ultimately if you are a bloke you are a bloke whether pretending to be something you aren't or not.
For me, absolutely. For someone at the other end of the trans spectrum, it's not pretence"
Ultimately its all pretence but I appreciate some people are convinced otherwise much like religion it's a unconvincing point of view, I cannot accept that a man can be a woman in any way but am more than happy if they want to believe they can be.
Luckily the majority will not forfeit womens rights for men who are convinced they are now women & the government needs to stop that dead.
The only way forward is a third choice in sport, public toilets etc but the Trans community won't accept that as going back to my initial point the wider society isn't then joining in the game if pretend.
I truly believe Trans men demanding to be women is the pinicle of misogyny, absolutely trying to take womens rights away. |
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"TS and TV two very different persons..
Don't confuse
It's all men pretending in women's clothes so not vastly different to the watcher even if the dresser wants you to think differently."
you really have no idea,do you. I definately don't pretend anything |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago
Maidstone |
"Ultimately its all pretence but I appreciate some people are convinced otherwise much like religion it's a unconvincing point of view, I cannot accept that a man can be a woman in any way but am more than happy if they want to believe they can be.
Luckily the majority will not forfeit womens rights for men who are convinced they are now women & the government needs to stop that dead.
The only way forward is a third choice in sport, public toilets etc but the Trans community won't accept that as going back to my initial point the wider society isn't then joining in the game if pretend.
I truly believe Trans men demanding to be women is the pinicle of misogyny, absolutely trying to take womens rights away."
Your views lack full information and just like JK Rowling, using so-called women's vulnerabilities to bash trans women's rights. Kindly please read more widely and think about what you're saying because as a full-time TS, I can confidently say the vast majority of women like me don't pose any threat to women, cis or otherwise. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The thing I object to most in threads like this is people telling others what they are / how they should feel and how they should present
Fuck off with it
It ain't your battle
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The thing I object to most in threads like this is people telling others what they are / how they should feel and how they should present
Fuck off with it
It ain't your battle
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"The thing I object to most in threads like this is people telling others what they are / how they should feel and how they should present
Fuck off with it
It ain't your battle
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They do remind me of those street preachers demanding you repent or convert to their church. I generally find to ignore and carry on walking/ ignoring them.
Society will carry on changing, accepting or tolerating whilst those that cling on to previous generations attitudes will eventually die out with their views also buried alongside.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Get loads of messages from straight guy claiming to be bisexual when we tell them what we are looking for "
And what happens after that? Curious to know.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why so many labels. Why can't someone just be fluid or whatever they want and not be questioned by people 
Believe it or not someone can identify as straight and still be fluid and play with the same gender. |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Why so many labels. Why can't someone just be fluid or whatever they want and not be questioned by people
Believe it or not someone can identify as straight and still be fluid and play with the same gender. "
Yep totally agree.
But the cis and hetro-normative fascists say it doesn't compute with them so it ain't so ... Yep fuck them (not literally, God forbid!... {{shudder}}) |
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By *aui.Man
over a year ago
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"Why so many labels. Why can't someone just be fluid or whatever they want and not be questioned by people
Believe it or not someone can identify as straight and still be fluid and play with the same gender. "
That's absolutely Bob on |
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By *4bimMan
over a year ago
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half the time the people who have a problem about who you meet were never going to meet you in the first place.
if they dont like it, block them. to much labelling and finger pointing aholes |
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By *rder66Man
over a year ago
Tatooine |
"Why so many labels. Why can't someone just be fluid or whatever they want and not be questioned by people
Believe it or not someone can identify as straight and still be fluid and play with the same gender.
Yep totally agree.
But the cis and hetro-normative fascists say it doesn't compute with them so it ain't so ... Yep fuck them (not literally, God forbid!... {{shudder}})"
Nail, head and thread over. |
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"TS and TV two very different persons..
Don't confuse
It's all men pretending in women's clothes so not vastly different to the watcher even if the dresser wants you to think differently."
Oh dear! Where to start with this one …
A TS may have undergone partial or complete reassignment surgery so a post op trans woman will have breasts and a vagina. So, definitely not ‘men pretending in women’s clothes’ as you claim.
A transvestite is a person who only wears the clothing of the opposite gender as a sexual kink. It isn’t related to gender identity. |
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