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"Please be aware that members of the LGB Alliance are targeting trans people with messages of encouragement to commit suicide. This is not a joke. Please report if you get any abusive messages. The admin on here are very good and will help. If you are getting persistent targeted abuse don't let it get to you. Please keep screenshot copies if it's getting so bad it hurts. Just remember that there are people who care. X" What’s the LGB alliance? | |||
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"Please be aware that members of the LGB Alliance are targeting trans people with messages of encouragement to commit suicide. This is not a joke. Please report if you get any abusive messages. The admin on here are very good and will help. If you are getting persistent targeted abuse don't let it get to you. Please keep screenshot copies if it's getting so bad it hurts. Just remember that there are people who care. X" On here or elsewhere? | |||
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"Please be aware that members of the LGB Alliance are targeting trans people with messages of encouragement to commit suicide. This is not a joke. Please report if you get any abusive messages. The admin on here are very good and will help. If you are getting persistent targeted abuse don't let it get to you. Please keep screenshot copies if it's getting so bad it hurts. Just remember that there are people who care. X What’s the LGB alliance?" LGB alliance want to remove the T from LGBT. I did a search online but cannot find any evidence that they’ve been encouraging anyone to commit suicide. Do you have a link Op ? | |||
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"Please be aware that members of the LGB Alliance are targeting trans people with messages of encouragement to commit suicide. This is not a joke. Please report if you get any abusive messages. The admin on here are very good and will help. If you are getting persistent targeted abuse don't let it get to you. Please keep screenshot copies if it's getting so bad it hurts. Just remember that there are people who care. X What’s the LGB alliance? LGB alliance want to remove the T from LGBT. I did a search online but cannot find any evidence that they’ve been encouraging anyone to commit suicide. Do you have a link Op ? " The wiki page says it’s a charity? | |||
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"Please be aware that members of the LGB Alliance are targeting trans people with messages of encouragement to commit suicide. This is not a joke. Please report if you get any abusive messages. The admin on here are very good and will help. If you are getting persistent targeted abuse don't let it get to you. Please keep screenshot copies if it's getting so bad it hurts. Just remember that there are people who care. X What’s the LGB alliance? LGB alliance want to remove the T from LGBT. I did a search online but cannot find any evidence that they’ve been encouraging anyone to commit suicide. Do you have a link Op ? " If this is true not only is it shocking and vile but fucking hypocritical. | |||
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"Please be aware that members of the LGB Alliance are targeting trans people with messages of encouragement to commit suicide. This is not a joke. Please report if you get any abusive messages. The admin on here are very good and will help. If you are getting persistent targeted abuse don't let it get to you. Please keep screenshot copies if it's getting so bad it hurts. Just remember that there are people who care. X What’s the LGB alliance? LGB alliance want to remove the T from LGBT. I did a search online but cannot find any evidence that they’ve been encouraging anyone to commit suicide. Do you have a link Op ? The wiki page says it’s a charity?" I believe another organisation were trying to get their charity status removed. Not sure if they were successful to be honest. | |||
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"The LGBA are basically scum. The have co-opted the LGB label without having any real concern for those in the LGB communities, they just use it as a cover for demonising trans people. They also openly attack anyone who is LGB who supports the T - if you're the "wrong sort" of LGB person then you are on the hate list of the LGBA. The key members of the LGBA also have links with and take support from evangelical anti womens rights organisations, right wing ultra nationalist groups, and generally any grifters that prosper by promoting hatred. LGBA is not an LGB support organisation, it is a T hate group." Proud to be the wrong kind of LGB  | |||
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"Fringe group with some odd views. Their charity status is being reviewed by a tribunal and I see they are trying to crowdfund fir their legal fees (not very successfully). Abuse is abuse in any site just report it. Don’t give these idiots the oxygen of publicity and this group will fade out quickly enough. " Unfortunately there is little chance of the LGBA fading away quickly. They get financial support from some truly nasty people, they have achieved charity listing due to backing by people like Truss and right wing newspapers, and constantly reinvent themselves under new names. In one guise or another they have been growing for the last ten years or so. They crowdfund money to do things like "provide support for vulnerable young LGB", but funnily enough none of these aims ever seem to materialise. I did hear something though about one of their top people getting some wicked new furnishings for their apartment. The LGBA are an extremist organisation who grow through promoting hatred, and thrive through ignorance. | |||
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"Fringe group with some odd views. Their charity status is being reviewed by a tribunal and I see they are trying to crowdfund fir their legal fees (not very successfully). Abuse is abuse in any site just report it. Don’t give these idiots the oxygen of publicity and this group will fade out quickly enough. Unfortunately there is little chance of the LGBA fading away quickly. They get financial support from some truly nasty people, they have achieved charity listing due to backing by people like Truss and right wing newspapers, and constantly reinvent themselves under new names. In one guise or another they have been growing for the last ten years or so. They crowdfund money to do things like "provide support for vulnerable young LGB", but funnily enough none of these aims ever seem to materialise. I did hear something though about one of their top people getting some wicked new furnishings for their apartment. The LGBA are an extremist organisation who grow through promoting hatred, and thrive through ignorance." These kind of astroturfing organisations, pretending to be one thing within the community, but actually being funded by big money, are becoming more common. | |||
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"These kind of astroturfing organisations, pretending to be one thing within the community, but actually being funded by big money, are becoming more common." The fact that their founders are being platformed on national media, and being endorsed and supported by members of parliament, including former (Until the mass exodus of Johnson) cabinet members makes the whole thing even more horrifying. | |||
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"These kind of astroturfing organisations, pretending to be one thing within the community, but actually being funded by big money, are becoming more common. The fact that their founders are being platformed on national media, and being endorsed and supported by members of parliament, including former (Until the mass exodus of Johnson) cabinet members makes the whole thing even more horrifying." Absolutely. | |||
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"I could believe that some twisted fucker would target people they see as different and send vile abuse. They deserve everything they get. I find it very hard to believe, however, that these individuals are genuine members of the LGB Alliance. So until I saw evidence of this with my own eyes then I simply don't believe the threats are from the LGB Alliance." Yeah totally unbelievable that anti trans people would belong to a self-admitted anti-trans organisation.  | |||
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"I could believe that some twisted fucker would target people they see as different and send vile abuse. They deserve everything they get. I find it very hard to believe, however, that these individuals are genuine members of the LGB Alliance. So until I saw evidence of this with my own eyes then I simply don't believe the threats are from the LGB Alliance. Yeah totally unbelievable that anti trans people would belong to a self-admitted anti-trans organisation. "You more or less put forward the same argument as myself a few weeks ago on a thread about the trans activists who were verging on physical violence with women protesting in Bristol. They couldn't possibly have been genuine trans people or allies because they were behaving in a way that didn't look good. I'm open minded enough to accept that there will be fucking arseholes on both sides. | |||
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"I could believe that some twisted fucker would target people they see as different and send vile abuse. They deserve everything they get. I find it very hard to believe, however, that these individuals are genuine members of the LGB Alliance. So until I saw evidence of this with my own eyes then I simply don't believe the threats are from the LGB Alliance. Yeah totally unbelievable that anti trans people would belong to a self-admitted anti-trans organisation.
You more or less put forward the same argument as myself a few weeks ago on a thread about the trans activists who were verging on physical violence with women protesting in Bristol.
They couldn't possibly have been genuine trans people or allies because they were behaving in a way that didn't look good.
I'm open minded enough to accept that there will be fucking arseholes on both sides."Not at all what I said. What I have said on the topic is that if it was (and it is possible) Trans Rights Campaigners it is deplorable. I also said that Anti-Trans activists have a proven history of on multiple occasions pretending to be trans rights campaigners to intentionally make them look bad. which is a far cry from refusing to believe it could possibly be them. I do agree with you that anyone receiving abuse anywhere should report it. (Sorry OP but I cannot just ignore a personal accusation which simply isn't true) | |||
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"I could believe that some twisted fucker would target people they see as different and send vile abuse. They deserve everything they get. I find it very hard to believe, however, that these individuals are genuine members of the LGB Alliance. So until I saw evidence of this with my own eyes then I simply don't believe the threats are from the LGB Alliance. Yeah totally unbelievable that anti trans people would belong to a self-admitted anti-trans organisation.
You more or less put forward the same argument as myself a few weeks ago on a thread about the trans activists who were verging on physical violence with women protesting in Bristol.
They couldn't possibly have been genuine trans people or allies because they were behaving in a way that didn't look good.
I'm open minded enough to accept that there will be fucking arseholes on both sides."Thats true Nerdy, you did use that same argument when it suited you. You cant have it both ways unfortunately. I think we can all agree that no one should be harmed or abused in anyway because of their thoughts and action when it only effects them or other consenting adults. | |||
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"Thats true Nerdy, you did use that same argument when it suited you. You cant have it both ways unfortunately. " I already addressed this above. | |||
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"Thats true Nerdy, you did use that same argument when it suited you. You cant have it both ways unfortunately. I already addressed this above." The problem is, you have a black and white or binary view, everyone who agrees with you is right, everyone else is wrong. Its pointless trying to have a discussion with someone who finds it impossible to change their viewpoint. | |||
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"Thats true Nerdy, you did use that same argument when it suited you. You cant have it both ways unfortunately. I already addressed this above. The problem is, you have a black and white or binary view, everyone who agrees with you is right, everyone else is wrong. Its pointless trying to have a discussion with someone who finds it impossible to change their viewpoint. "  It's why so many posters on here just don't bother. | |||
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"Please be aware that members of the LGB Alliance are targeting trans people with messages of encouragement to commit suicide. This is not a joke. Please report if you get any abusive messages. The admin on here are very good and will help. If you are getting persistent targeted abuse don't let it get to you. Please keep screenshot copies if it's getting so bad it hurts. Just remember that there are people who care. X What’s the LGB alliance?" Liquid gas bureau | |||
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"Human beings are just sinking to new depths, why cant people just live and let live! " Because for some hate is a lucrative business. If they can get enough sheep to follow, it becomes a full time job. | |||
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"Human beings are just sinking to new depths, why cant people just live and let live! Because for some hate is a lucrative business. If they can get enough sheep to follow, it becomes a full time job." It does seem to be incredibly lucrative for some  | |||
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"Please be aware that members of the LGB Alliance are targeting trans people with messages of encouragement to commit suicide. This is not a joke. Please report if you get any abusive messages. The admin on here are very good and will help. If you are getting persistent targeted abuse don't let it get to you. Please keep screenshot copies if it's getting so bad it hurts. Just remember that there are people who care. X What’s the LGB alliance?" Sworn enemies of the rebel alliance | |||
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"Tbh... its something of a toxic situation with militancy on both sides. It's nigh on impossible to have a debate about it. Am not saying people need to be less fragile about others perceptions and vitriol... but, essentially make peace with you, and what you are and get on with it. Do anonymous words on a screen really deserve to be so impacting on a person, do they deserve the amplification... I'd suggest not? Don't seek to promote trollish behaviour and give credence to victim hood and promote fragility as a way forward. Delete, keep doing you, and move on. " Common sense advise, but unfortunately the spectrum of people's mental state and emotions and wide and varied. If they put too much investment and attachment to a single area of their life, they can be irreparably damaged. Be it social media, relationships or money. | |||
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"The rise of social media has assisted in the rise of hate. It's an easy platform to gather troops and spread toxic crap. If anyone is at the receiving end, don't rise to it, it's what they want. Just ignore and call em a tossa under your breath." I agree when it comes to the faceless trolls (and I need to get better at not responding). When it is people with a following though, I think there needs to be a visible pushback on their hurtful rhetoric. | |||
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"I could believe that some twisted fucker would target people they see as different and send vile abuse. They deserve everything they get. I find it very hard to believe, however, that these individuals are genuine members of the LGB Alliance. So until I saw evidence of this with my own eyes then I simply don't believe the threats are from the LGB Alliance." I tend to agree. | |||
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"Tbh... its something of a toxic situation with militancy on both sides. It's nigh on impossible to have a debate about it. Am not saying people need to be less fragile about others perceptions and vitriol... but, essentially make peace with you, and what you are and get on with it. Do anonymous words on a screen really deserve to be so impacting on a person, do they deserve the amplification... I'd suggest not? Don't seek to promote trollish behaviour and give credence to victim hood and promote fragility as a way forward. Delete, keep doing you, and move on. " Well said. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X" I'm so sorry  | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X" A well written and poignant post and I agree completely. But the same could also be said in relation to the thousands of death threats people like J K Rowling and Sharon Davies have received from trans activists, including liberal and frequent use of the hate word "terf". All sides need to be proactive in stopping this kind of social-media fuelled hatred. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X" No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person." Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X A well written and poignant post and I agree completely. But the same could also be said in relation to the thousands of death threats people like J K Rowling and Sharon Davies have received from trans activists, including liberal and frequent use of the hate word "terf". All sides need to be proactive in stopping this kind of social-media fuelled hatred. " Death threats are of course always wrong. But terf is not a "hate word". | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess " Gie ma heid peace..... | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... " Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... " Und die liebe   | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X" Which part? | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part?" The bit to commit suicide?? X | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part? The bit to commit suicide?? X" There are a lot of hatemongers out there, unfortunately. I've heard about it in other contexts | |||
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"Please be aware that members of the LGB Alliance are targeting trans people with messages of encouragement to commit suicide. This is not a joke. Please report if you get any abusive messages. The admin on here are very good and will help. If you are getting persistent targeted abuse don't let it get to you. Please keep screenshot copies if it's getting so bad it hurts. Just remember that there are people who care. X" I find this very difficult to believe. Do you have proof? | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part? The bit to commit suicide?? X There are a lot of hatemongers out there, unfortunately. I've heard about it in other contexts" My daughter that lives in florida said this I thought she was reading things out of context with her aspergers but that is just unbelievable!  x | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part? The bit to commit suicide?? X There are a lot of hatemongers out there, unfortunately. I've heard about it in other contexts My daughter that lives in florida said this I thought she was reading things out of context with her aspergers but that is just unbelievable! x"It's utterly horrific and inexcusable | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?"That is not what I meant at all. Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine. | |||
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"I have been approached by worried trans people 5 times in the last few weeks since Easter. They have recieved personal abuse from these extremists through the Internet and some in person. In Blackpool, Birmingham and London. I regularly get abuse on here,tvchix,twitter, and WhatsApp, messages from people I have not given my number. There does seem to be a build up of abuse recently. Even places once considered safe are beginning to attract nasty people. I'm sure if you keep your eyes and ears open you will begin to notice. If you are a full time transgender person. You would be extremely lucky to not have experienced abuse personally. X" I'm sorry you have to put up with this absolute crap. X | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X A well written and poignant post and I agree completely. But the same could also be said in relation to the thousands of death threats people like J K Rowling and Sharon Davies have received from trans activists, including liberal and frequent use of the hate word "terf". All sides need to be proactive in stopping this kind of social-media fuelled hatred. " Indeed; I agree. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
That is not what I meant at all.
Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine."This isn't about all terfs. This is about a specific subset of a specific group of terfs masquerading as something else. I'm sure some terfs are very fine people. But this thread still isn't about terfs or their reputation. It's about a historically marginalised and continually victimised group (the crime stats back me up) being targeted by a group of despicable monsters. | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part? The bit to commit suicide?? X" I have had it twice this year, (not on this site) and I have a very small following on socials. And that doesn't include other violent messages | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part? The bit to commit suicide?? X There are a lot of hatemongers out there, unfortunately. I've heard about it in other contexts My daughter that lives in florida said this I thought she was reading things out of context with her aspergers but that is just unbelievable! x
It's utterly horrific and inexcusable "It really is! And to think before she came out she had suicidal thoughts growing up and cut her arms! This breaks my heart! Why can't people just live and let live? It's astounding people can b so nasty! X | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person." This for me too. | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part? The bit to commit suicide?? X I have had it twice this year, (not on this site) and I have a very small following on socials. And that doesn't include other violent messages" Did you report them or not much point? | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part? The bit to commit suicide?? X I have had it twice this year, (not on this site) and I have a very small following on socials. And that doesn't include other violent messages" I hope that the law catches up to these monsters. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?"She didn't say that! | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part? The bit to commit suicide?? X I have had it twice this year, (not on this site) and I have a very small following on socials. And that doesn't include other violent messages" So sorry this has happened to u! What is wrong with people to b this nasty? x | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that! "And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings. I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down."It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest. | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part? The bit to commit suicide?? X I have had it twice this year, (not on this site) and I have a very small following on socials. And that doesn't include other violent messages Did you report them or not much point? " I haven't reported anything to the police, because anxiety and I think everything I have received so far has been all talk. (locations/anonymity etc) I reported every instance of violent posts/message aimed at me to the social platform it was on. Neither of the Above mentioned instances resulted in anything. One threat to do it for me got them banned (or at least it was one report of many that did, I was not their only target) and one threat to "do things to me without consent" was suspended for a week. It's a shockingly low percentage of action being taken. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
That is not what I meant at all.
Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine.
This isn't about all terfs. This is about a specific subset of a specific group of terfs masquerading as something else. I'm sure some terfs are very fine people.
But this thread still isn't about terfs or their reputation. It's about a historically marginalised and continually victimised group (the crime stats back me up) being targeted by a group of despicable monsters."Why do you keep calling the girl a Terf? You know it's insulting so why do you continue to say it? And how do you come to the conclusion she's a trans exclusionary radical female? | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest. "I hope the shitstains that attack vulnerable groups face the full consequences of the law. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down."Are you on glue love? You're the one who started talking about my feelings. Read my posts again. I have clearly said that anyone threatening anyone should be dealt with severely and deserve everything they get. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
That is not what I meant at all.
Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine.
This isn't about all terfs. This is about a specific subset of a specific group of terfs masquerading as something else. I'm sure some terfs are very fine people.
But this thread still isn't about terfs or their reputation. It's about a historically marginalised and continually victimised group (the crime stats back me up) being targeted by a group of despicable monsters.
Why do you keep calling the girl a Terf? You know it's insulting so why do you continue to say it?
And how do you come to the conclusion she's a trans exclusionary radical female? "I quote from her own post "there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will..." | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I hope the shitstains that attack vulnerable groups face the full consequences of the law."Anybody who attacks anybody regardless of whether they are deemed vulnerable or not should face the full consequences of the law. | |||
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"Omfg!! Is this for real?? X Which part? The bit to commit suicide?? X I have had it twice this year, (not on this site) and I have a very small following on socials. And that doesn't include other violent messages Did you report them or not much point? I haven't reported anything to the police, because anxiety and I think everything I have received so far has been all talk. (locations/anonymity etc) I reported every instance of violent posts/message aimed at me to the social platform it was on. Neither of the Above mentioned instances resulted in anything. One threat to do it for me got them banned (or at least it was one report of many that did, I was not their only target) and one threat to "do things to me without consent" was suspended for a week. It's a shockingly low percentage of action being taken." Genuinely sorry to hear that. No one should be threatened in that way. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I hope the shitstains that attack vulnerable groups face the full consequences of the law.
Anybody who attacks anybody regardless of whether they are deemed vulnerable or not should face the full consequences of the law. "All lives matter! When's international men's day? | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I hope the shitstains that attack vulnerable groups face the full consequences of the law.
Anybody who attacks anybody regardless of whether they are deemed vulnerable or not should face the full consequences of the law.
All lives matter! When's international men's day?"Please can you just stop twisting everything I and others say. You know full well that's not what I meant! | |||
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" I'm open minded enough to accept that there will be fucking arseholes on both sides. Very true, unfortunately. The arseholes on both sides need to be stopped. Behind the labels are human being, and both sides need to recognised." There seems to be a few people suggesting that there is an equivalence between both sides. I don't see how that can be true. One side believes trans people should commit suicide, and one side doesn't. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I hope the shitstains that attack vulnerable groups face the full consequences of the law.
Anybody who attacks anybody regardless of whether they are deemed vulnerable or not should face the full consequences of the law.
All lives matter! When's international men's day?
Please can you just stop twisting everything I and others say. You know full well that's not what I meant! "You're taking a thread about anti trans threats against trans people and turning it into something about all people. It's functionally identical to all lives matter. The fact you can't see it is neither here nor there. I hope the shitstains who abuse trans people face the full force of the law. I hope that all others who face issues find solace without hijacking the trans cause. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I hope the shitstains that attack vulnerable groups face the full consequences of the law.
Anybody who attacks anybody regardless of whether they are deemed vulnerable or not should face the full consequences of the law.
All lives matter! When's international men's day?"Quite right
What about The People's Front of Judea?!
What about The Judean People's Front?! | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I hope the shitstains that attack vulnerable groups face the full consequences of the law.
Anybody who attacks anybody regardless of whether they are deemed vulnerable or not should face the full consequences of the law.
All lives matter! When's international men's day?
Please can you just stop twisting everything I and others say. You know full well that's not what I meant!
You're taking a thread about anti trans threats against trans people and turning it into something about all people.
It's functionally identical to all lives matter. The fact you can't see it is neither here nor there.
I hope the shitstains who abuse trans people face the full force of the law.
I hope that all others who face issues find solace without hijacking the trans cause. "Very well said x | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I hope the shitstains that attack vulnerable groups face the full consequences of the law.
Anybody who attacks anybody regardless of whether they are deemed vulnerable or not should face the full consequences of the law.
All lives matter! When's international men's day?
Quite right
What about The People's Front of Judea?!
What about The Judean People's Front?!"And in the meantime, now we've done with the all lives matter fuckery of all of this, I hope the shitstains who abuse trans people face the fullest consequences of the law, and their disgusting enablers flee like the cowards they are. | |||
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"Please can you just stop twisting everything I and others say. You know full well that's not what I meant! You're taking a thread about anti trans threats against trans people and turning it into something about all people. It's functionally identical to all lives matter. The fact you can't see it is neither here nor there. I hope the shitstains who abuse trans people face the full force of the law. I hope that all others who face issues find solace without hijacking the trans cause. " | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I hope the shitstains that attack vulnerable groups face the full consequences of the law.
Anybody who attacks anybody regardless of whether they are deemed vulnerable or not should face the full consequences of the law.
All lives matter! When's international men's day?
Quite right
What about The People's Front of Judea?!
What about The Judean People's Front?!
And in the meantime, now we've done with the all lives matter fuckery of all of this, I hope the shitstains who abuse trans people face the fullest consequences of the law, and their disgusting enablers flee like the cowards they are."I think you need a wee lie down. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
I hope the shitstains that attack vulnerable groups face the full consequences of the law.
Anybody who attacks anybody regardless of whether they are deemed vulnerable or not should face the full consequences of the law.
All lives matter! When's international men's day?
Quite right
What about The People's Front of Judea?!
What about The Judean People's Front?!
And in the meantime, now we've done with the all lives matter fuckery of all of this, I hope the shitstains who abuse trans people face the fullest consequences of the law, and their disgusting enablers flee like the cowards they are.
I think you need a wee lie down."No thanks, I'm just fine. | |||
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"I could believe that some twisted fucker would target people they see as different and send vile abuse. They deserve everything they get. I find it very hard to believe, however, that these individuals are genuine members of the LGB Alliance. So until I saw evidence of this with my own eyes then I simply don't believe the threats are from the LGB Alliance." as this appears to be the key post of where this thread has gone, why are you so sure ? | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
That is not what I meant at all.
Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine.
This isn't about all terfs. This is about a specific subset of a specific group of terfs masquerading as something else. I'm sure some terfs are very fine people.
But this thread still isn't about terfs or their reputation. It's about a historically marginalised and continually victimised group (the crime stats back me up) being targeted by a group of despicable monsters.
Why do you keep calling the girl a Terf? You know it's insulting so why do you continue to say it?
And how do you come to the conclusion she's a trans exclusionary radical female?
I quote from her own post "there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...""That doesn't answer my question, why do you continue to use the term to describe someone when you know it's insulting? | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
That is not what I meant at all.
Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine.
This isn't about all terfs. This is about a specific subset of a specific group of terfs masquerading as something else. I'm sure some terfs are very fine people.
But this thread still isn't about terfs or their reputation. It's about a historically marginalised and continually victimised group (the crime stats back me up) being targeted by a group of despicable monsters.
Why do you keep calling the girl a Terf? You know it's insulting so why do you continue to say it?
And how do you come to the conclusion she's a trans exclusionary radical female?
I quote from her own post "there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will..."
That doesn't answer my question, why do you continue to use the term to describe someone when you know it's insulting?"I don't know it's insulting. One, the poster specifically named it as an expression to use, and two, it's the technically accurate term for the group. I prefer to use technically accurate language, and so I'll continue to use the word TERF. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
That is not what I meant at all.
Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine.
This isn't about all terfs. This is about a specific subset of a specific group of terfs masquerading as something else. I'm sure some terfs are very fine people.
But this thread still isn't about terfs or their reputation. It's about a historically marginalised and continually victimised group (the crime stats back me up) being targeted by a group of despicable monsters.
Why do you keep calling the girl a Terf? You know it's insulting so why do you continue to say it?
And how do you come to the conclusion she's a trans exclusionary radical female?
I quote from her own post "there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will..."
That doesn't answer my question, why do you continue to use the term to describe someone when you know it's insulting?
I don't know it's insulting. One, the poster specifically named it as an expression to use, and two, it's the technically accurate term for the group.
I prefer to use technically accurate language, and so I'll continue to use the word TERF."Even though you know it's insulting? Cool. | |||
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"I don't know it's insulting. Even though you know it's insulting? Cool." One of these is not like the other. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
That is not what I meant at all.
Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine.
This isn't about all terfs. This is about a specific subset of a specific group of terfs masquerading as something else. I'm sure some terfs are very fine people.
But this thread still isn't about terfs or their reputation. It's about a historically marginalised and continually victimised group (the crime stats back me up) being targeted by a group of despicable monsters.
Why do you keep calling the girl a Terf? You know it's insulting so why do you continue to say it?
And how do you come to the conclusion she's a trans exclusionary radical female?
I quote from her own post "there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will..."
That doesn't answer my question, why do you continue to use the term to describe someone when you know it's insulting?
I don't know it's insulting. One, the poster specifically named it as an expression to use, and two, it's the technically accurate term for the group.
I prefer to use technically accurate language, and so I'll continue to use the word TERF.
Even though you know it's insulting? Cool."Did you read my reply, or are you just trying to play one upmanship? 
"I don't know it's insulting"
I'll make sure not to call you a terf, should it ever come up, given your sensitivity to the word.
However, the accurate, widely accepted term for the group is terf. | |||
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"I hope the shitstains who abuse trans people face the full force of the law and any social consequences that might follow. I hope their supporters crawl back under their bridges. I hope others find support without hijacking trans people. I wish every trans person freedom, love, support, acceptance. And (unfortunately, because there are shitstains in the world) all the protection you require." | |||
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"I hope the shitstains who abuse trans people face the full force of the law and any social consequences that might follow. I hope their supporters crawl back under their bridges. I hope others find support without hijacking trans people. I wish every trans person freedom, love, support, acceptance. And (unfortunately, because there are shitstains in the world) all the protection you require." xxx | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
That is not what I meant at all.
Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine.
This isn't about all terfs. This is about a specific subset of a specific group of terfs masquerading as something else. I'm sure some terfs are very fine people.
But this thread still isn't about terfs or their reputation. It's about a historically marginalised and continually victimised group (the crime stats back me up) being targeted by a group of despicable monsters.
Why do you keep calling the girl a Terf? You know it's insulting so why do you continue to say it?
And how do you come to the conclusion she's a trans exclusionary radical female?
I quote from her own post "there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will..."
That doesn't answer my question, why do you continue to use the term to describe someone when you know it's insulting?
I don't know it's insulting. One, the poster specifically named it as an expression to use, and two, it's the technically accurate term for the group.
I prefer to use technically accurate language, and so I'll continue to use the word TERF.
Even though you know it's insulting? Cool.
Did you read my reply, or are you just trying to play one upmanship?
"I don't know it's insulting"
I'll make sure not to call you a terf, should it ever come up, given your sensitivity to the word.
However, the accurate, widely accepted term for the group is terf. "I did read your reply, you do know it's insulting and I'm a male. | |||
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"I don't know it's insulting. One, the poster specifically named it as an expression to use, and two, it's the technically accurate term for the group. I prefer to use technically accurate language, and so I'll continue to use the word TERF. Even though you know it's insulting? Cool. Did you read my reply, or are you just trying to play one upmanship?
"I don't know it's insulting"
I'll make sure not to call you a terf, should it ever come up, given your sensitivity to the word.
However, the accurate, widely accepted term for the group is terf.
I did read your reply, you do know it's insulting and I'm a male.
"Not all TERFs are women.... | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
That is not what I meant at all.
Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine.
This isn't about all terfs. This is about a specific subset of a specific group of terfs masquerading as something else. I'm sure some terfs are very fine people.
But this thread still isn't about terfs or their reputation. It's about a historically marginalised and continually victimised group (the crime stats back me up) being targeted by a group of despicable monsters.
Why do you keep calling the girl a Terf? You know it's insulting so why do you continue to say it?
And how do you come to the conclusion she's a trans exclusionary radical female?
I quote from her own post "there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will..."
That doesn't answer my question, why do you continue to use the term to describe someone when you know it's insulting?
I don't know it's insulting. One, the poster specifically named it as an expression to use, and two, it's the technically accurate term for the group.
I prefer to use technically accurate language, and so I'll continue to use the word TERF.
Even though you know it's insulting? Cool.
Did you read my reply, or are you just trying to play one upmanship?
"I don't know it's insulting"
I'll make sure not to call you a terf, should it ever come up, given your sensitivity to the word.
However, the accurate, widely accepted term for the group is terf.
I did read your reply, you do know it's insulting and I'm a male.
"Thank you for telling me what I know. I'm delighted that we have a clairvoyant among us
You might want to check your cosmic vibrations, as you seem to have attached to the wrong brain or made something up...
As the final f in terf stands for feminist, you being male is neither here nor there
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"I could believe that some twisted fucker would target people they see as different and send vile abuse. They deserve everything they get. I find it very hard to believe, however, that these individuals are genuine members of the LGB Alliance. So until I saw evidence of this with my own eyes then I simply don't believe the threats are from the LGB Alliance.as this appears to be the key post of where this thread has gone, why are you so sure ?" Because I don't believe that a charity founded by a couple of middle aged lesbians, a black lesbian and a founding member of Stonewall is a hate group. Or that they would encourage members to threaten violence against any other group. Read this piece, written by Debbie Hayton (a transwoman) to find out more. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-praise-of-the-lgb-alliance | |||
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"I could believe that some twisted fucker would target people they see as different and send vile abuse. They deserve everything they get. I find it very hard to believe, however, that these individuals are genuine members of the LGB Alliance. So until I saw evidence of this with my own eyes then I simply don't believe the threats are from the LGB Alliance.as this appears to be the key post of where this thread has gone, why are you so sure ? Because I don't believe that a charity founded by a couple of middle aged lesbians, a black lesbian and a founding member of Stonewall is a hate group. Or that they would encourage members to threaten violence against any other group. Read this piece, written by Debbie Hayton (a transwoman) to find out more. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-praise-of-the-lgb-alliance" | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
That is not what I meant at all.
Being called names by anonymous fuckwits on Twitter or anywhere else has absolutely no impact on my feelings. I'm robust enough not to let the thoughts of people who mean nothing to me affect me. But thanks for your concern
My reference to the name calling was to make the point that there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will...people who would not stand by and watch innocent people be physically harmed. Even if their beliefs were in complete opposition to mine.
This isn't about all terfs. This is about a specific subset of a specific group of terfs masquerading as something else. I'm sure some terfs are very fine people.
But this thread still isn't about terfs or their reputation. It's about a historically marginalised and continually victimised group (the crime stats back me up) being targeted by a group of despicable monsters.
Why do you keep calling the girl a Terf? You know it's insulting so why do you continue to say it?
And how do you come to the conclusion she's a trans exclusionary radical female?
I quote from her own post "there are plenty of TERFs, gender critical....call us what you will..."
That doesn't answer my question, why do you continue to use the term to describe someone when you know it's insulting?
I don't know it's insulting. One, the poster specifically named it as an expression to use, and two, it's the technically accurate term for the group.
I prefer to use technically accurate language, and so I'll continue to use the word TERF.
Even though you know it's insulting? Cool.
Did you read my reply, or are you just trying to play one upmanship?
"I don't know it's insulting"
I'll make sure not to call you a terf, should it ever come up, given your sensitivity to the word.
However, the accurate, widely accepted term for the group is terf.
I did read your reply, you do know it's insulting and I'm a male.
Thank you for telling me what I know. I'm delighted that we have a clairvoyant among us
You might want to check your cosmic vibrations, as you seem to have attached to the wrong brain or made something up...
As the final f in terf stands for feminist, you being male is neither here nor there
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest. "What about the thread do you disagree with? | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
What about the thread do you disagree with? "I didn't say I disagreed with the thread so not sure why you are asking this question. I was referring to the amount of hate I got the other day for disagreeing with some of the people on this thread. That's why I said it's hypocrisy. Some people have disagreed with certain comments on this thread I didn't say I did. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
What about the thread do you disagree with?
I didn't say I disagreed with the thread so not sure why you are asking this question. I was referring to the amount of hate I got the other day for disagreeing with some of the people on this thread. That's why I said it's hypocrisy. Some people have disagreed with certain comments on this thread I didn't say I did. "People keep talking about disagreeing with viewpoints without mentioning what those viewpoints actually are. The only thing I've managed to pick out being debated is the definition of TERF but that's not really where the apparent disagreements started. | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
What about the thread do you disagree with?
I didn't say I disagreed with the thread so not sure why you are asking this question. I was referring to the amount of hate I got the other day for disagreeing with some of the people on this thread. That's why I said it's hypocrisy. Some people have disagreed with certain comments on this thread I didn't say I did.
People keep talking about disagreeing with viewpoints without mentioning what those viewpoints actually are. The only thing I've managed to pick out being debated is the definition of TERF but that's not really where the apparent disagreements started. "I did refer to it though because I quoted the post I was referring to. | |||
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"I could believe that some twisted fucker would target people they see as different and send vile abuse. They deserve everything they get. I find it very hard to believe, however, that these individuals are genuine members of the LGB Alliance. So until I saw evidence of this with my own eyes then I simply don't believe the threats are from the LGB Alliance.as this appears to be the key post of where this thread has gone, why are you so sure ? Because I don't believe that a charity founded by a couple of middle aged lesbians, a black lesbian and a founding member of Stonewall is a hate group. Or that they would encourage members to threaten violence against any other group. Read this piece, written by Debbie Hayton (a transwoman) to find out more. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-praise-of-the-lgb-alliance" ?? | |||
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"Thank you everybody for reading and commenting on my post. All that I ask of you all is to remember, there are some very frightened trans people out there. There is an abusive media frenzy that seems determined to have people like me become the target for hate. All I ask is to be allowed to exist, without cruelty and ridicule. A few days ago I read around 300 comments on a daily mail online article about the Tavistock clinic. The article was deliberately inaccurate and misleading. Almost all the comments were terribly worrying. There was a joint pack mentality amongst them all. They all literally just wanted people like me disappeared. The hate was overwhelming. Please stop hurting us. We are valid contributers to society. Stop this now before it goes too far. Like it did for the trans people in Berlin in the 1930s. Don't laugh and think it couldn't happen. It is beginning to happen here X No, it won't go that far. Because you've got countless people like myself who despite having been called bigots, TERFs and far worse would still stand up for those whose viewpoints we fundamentally disagree with. I'll argue until I'm blue in the face about my views on women's rights. But I'd also have zero qualms about challenging anyone who did actually threatened the life of a trans person. Interestingly, academic research increasingly indicates that western discourse on trans people is approaching the vitriol the Jews faced in Germany in the 1930s. But I'm sure being called a terf kinda sucks, I guess Gie ma heid peace..... Oh I know. Trans people not wanting to be harassed or threatened is such a hardship. It's all about you, isn't it?
The academic research must be wrong because it hurts your feelings, yes?
She didn't say that!
And yet this thread has been hijacked to become about terfs and their feelings.
I hope that the shitstains on humanity who issue threats to vulnerable people face consequences for their actions. And I hope hate groups are shut down.
It hasn't been hijacked by anybody! Somebody being supportive but with a slightly different take on things is not hijacking anything! Yet again people seem to think anybody that doesn't completely agree with them they are somehow doing something wrong by commenting and that is not the case. I got a fair amount of hate from it's thread the other day for having an opposing view. Hypocrisy at its finest.
What about the thread do you disagree with?
I didn't say I disagreed with the thread so not sure why you are asking this question. I was referring to the amount of hate I got the other day for disagreeing with some of the people on this thread. That's why I said it's hypocrisy. Some people have disagreed with certain comments on this thread I didn't say I did.
People keep talking about disagreeing with viewpoints without mentioning what those viewpoints actually are. The only thing I've managed to pick out being debated is the definition of TERF but that's not really where the apparent disagreements started.
I did refer to it though because I quoted the post I was referring to. "I'm not understanding. What viewpoint do you disagree with? | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above)" Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard." the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. | |||
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"Is the timing of this alleged situation in any way connected with the recent win in the courts by one of LGB Alliance founders?" She spent the last year campaigning about how she was suing stonewall. Every claim against Stonewall was dismissed. The claims for loss of earnings were dismissed, in fact all substantive claims were dismissed. What wasn't dismissed and she was successful in surrounded a Tweet her former chambers sent out that they shouldn't have. But would have been ok if they had a better HR manual. It takes a very special interpretation of the judgement to say she "won". While I am not a lawyer, I did actually read the judgement and several commentaries on it by lawyers (on both sides). But to answer your question, these people have been doing this since the LGBA was founded, it is possible an upswing in their violent messaging may be related emboldened by the spin on reality the press has been telling, but it isn't the only factor I imagine. | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes." Omfg! How vile she is!  x | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x"Have you ever watched any of her interviews? | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x"Profoundly vile. | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x
Have you ever watched any of her interviews?"No and don't think I would like to if she says that kinda thing! X | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x
Have you ever watched any of her interviews?
No and don't think I would like to if she says that kinda thing! X"I think that's a mistake to be honest but obviously up to yourself. Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. | |||
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"Is the timing of this alleged situation in any way connected with the recent win in the courts by one of LGB Alliance founders? She spent the last year campaigning about how she was suing stonewall. Every claim against Stonewall was dismissed. The claims for loss of earnings were dismissed, in fact all substantive claims were dismissed. What wasn't dismissed and she was successful in surrounded a Tweet her former chambers sent out that they shouldn't have. But would have been ok if they had a better HR manual. It takes a very special interpretation of the judgement to say she "won". While I am not a lawyer, I did actually read the judgement and several commentaries on it by lawyers (on both sides). But to answer your question, these people have been doing this since the LGBA was founded, it is possible an upswing in their violent messaging may be related emboldened by the spin on reality the press has been telling, but it isn't the only factor I imagine." That’s one angle. Article written by Julie Bindel seems to frame the other part of the case, the part that Bailey did win. In Bindels own words, “ Stonewall had become as impenetrable and unaccountable as its namesake. But Bailey made sure it was finally held to account and will no longer be able to act with impunity when it comes to peddling its trans ideology and misinterpretation of the law. Organisations that put “Stonewall Law” before Equality Law will now be aware that they could now be acting unlawfully.” And it is for this reason I question the timing of this alleged situation. | |||
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"That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. " Not all speech is free. | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x
Have you ever watched any of her interviews?
No and don't think I would like to if she says that kinda thing! X
I think that's a mistake to be honest but obviously up to yourself.
Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda?
That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. "So u saying she didn't say this? X | |||
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"That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X" I am happy to provide a link to anyone in a DM to an article by Pink News covering the interview if they ask (I consider Pink News a well recognised news site but not everyone might, so no link in forum) | |||
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"That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X I am happy to provide a link to anyone in a DM to an article by Pink News covering the interview if they ask (I consider Pink News a well recognised news site but not everyone might, so no link in forum)" | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x
Have you ever watched any of her interviews?
No and don't think I would like to if she says that kinda thing! X
I think that's a mistake to be honest but obviously up to yourself.
Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda?
That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. "Ohh my goodness just done a little research and yes she is truly vile!! x | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x
Have you ever watched any of her interviews?
No and don't think I would like to if she says that kinda thing! X
I think that's a mistake to be honest but obviously up to yourself.
Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda?
That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are.
Ohh my goodness just done a little research and yes she is truly vile!! x"I'm sorry. I wish you and yours well | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X" The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x
Have you ever watched any of her interviews?
No and don't think I would like to if she says that kinda thing! X
I think that's a mistake to be honest but obviously up to yourself.
Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda?
That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are.
So u saying she didn't say this? X"I'm saying I've never seen an interview where she said anything that I interpreted as hateful, vindictive or calling for the end of trans people. You could watch the sane interviews and reach a different conclusion. The point I'm making is you should watch and reach your own conclusions rather than accept what someone on Fab Swingers tells you. | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x
Have you ever watched any of her interviews?
No and don't think I would like to if she says that kinda thing! X
I think that's a mistake to be honest but obviously up to yourself.
Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda?
That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are.
So u saying she didn't say this? X
I'm saying I've never seen an interview where she said anything that I interpreted as hateful, vindictive or calling for the end of trans people.
You could watch the sane interviews and reach a different conclusion.
The point I'm making is you should watch and reach your own conclusions rather than accept what someone on Fab Swingers tells you."As I said I've researched and yes she is truly a vile vomit inducing woman! x | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital " Yes sure! I have in this instant and she is vile! X | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital " That's far too sensible a suggestion. | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x
Have you ever watched any of her interviews?
No and don't think I would like to if she says that kinda thing! X
I think that's a mistake to be honest but obviously up to yourself.
Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda?
That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are.
So u saying she didn't say this? X
I'm saying I've never seen an interview where she said anything that I interpreted as hateful, vindictive or calling for the end of trans people.
You could watch the sane interviews and reach a different conclusion.
The point I'm making is you should watch and reach your own conclusions rather than accept what someone on Fab Swingers tells you.
As I said I've researched and yes she is truly a vile vomit inducing woman! x"That was some quick research. | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital That's far too sensible a suggestion." I know, practically revolutionary isnt it. Not sure it'll catch on in here though... | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital " The thing is for the purpose of the conversation in this thread, it doesn't matter what you think she meant, or what I think she meant, or even what she meant. What matters is if someone who is radical and potentially violent could think it means. As that was the point being made. | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital That's far too sensible a suggestion. I know, practically revolutionary isnt it. Not sure it'll catch on in here though..." "Down with that sort of thing" (waves pitchfork). | |||
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"That was some quick research." It was long enough to watch the interview in question, thats what was suggested people do right? | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital The thing is for the purpose of the conversation in this thread, it doesn't matter what you think she meant, or what I think she meant, or even what she meant. What matters is if someone who is radical and potentially violent could think it means. As that was the point being made." I dont agree. You cant judge someones words on how the unhinged might interpret them. Theres always someone who will interpret something in a nefarious way. The blame for that cant be put necessarily on the person who uttered the words | |||
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"That was some quick research. It was long enough to watch the interview in question, thats what was suggested people do right?" I'd watch a few different interviews and read articles from other sources than Pink News. But that's just me. | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital The thing is for the purpose of the conversation in this thread, it doesn't matter what you think she meant, or what I think she meant, or even what she meant. What matters is if someone who is radical and potentially violent could think it means. As that was the point being made. I dont agree. You cant judge someones words on how the unhinged might interpret them. Theres always someone who will interpret something in a nefarious way. The blame for that cant be put necessarily on the person who uttered the words" You can when the conversation is ABOUT what a radicalised person might view them as. And that's the context Helen Joyce and her interview were raised. It was even said in the original post about here she may not have meant it that way. | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital The thing is for the purpose of the conversation in this thread, it doesn't matter what you think she meant, or what I think she meant, or even what she meant. What matters is if someone who is radical and potentially violent could think it means. As that was the point being made. I dont agree. You cant judge someones words on how the unhinged might interpret them. Theres always someone who will interpret something in a nefarious way. The blame for that cant be put necessarily on the person who uttered the words You can when the conversation is ABOUT what a radicalised person might view them as. And that's the context Helen Joyce and her interview were raised. It was even said in the original post about here she may not have meant it that way." That still doesnt mean you can judge the words on what a radicalised unhinged person may make of them. Words should only ever be judged in the way they are meant and on how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital The thing is for the purpose of the conversation in this thread, it doesn't matter what you think she meant, or what I think she meant, or even what she meant. What matters is if someone who is radical and potentially violent could think it means. As that was the point being made. I dont agree. You cant judge someones words on how the unhinged might interpret them. Theres always someone who will interpret something in a nefarious way. The blame for that cant be put necessarily on the person who uttered the words You can when the conversation is ABOUT what a radicalised person might view them as. And that's the context Helen Joyce and her interview were raised. It was even said in the original post about here she may not have meant it that way. That still doesnt mean you can judge the words on what a radicalised unhinged person may make of them. Words should only ever be judged in the way they are meant and on how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them" "...how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them" This is where we encounter our first bump in the road.  | |||
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"Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda? That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are. So u saying she didn't say this? X The main message here is that whenever you read or hear someone say that someone else said or did something, always best to verify yourself before just taking their word for it. Even if the actual words have been used, sometimes the absence of context can also be vital The thing is for the purpose of the conversation in this thread, it doesn't matter what you think she meant, or what I think she meant, or even what she meant. What matters is if someone who is radical and potentially violent could think it means. As that was the point being made. I dont agree. You cant judge someones words on how the unhinged might interpret them. Theres always someone who will interpret something in a nefarious way. The blame for that cant be put necessarily on the person who uttered the words You can when the conversation is ABOUT what a radicalised person might view them as. And that's the context Helen Joyce and her interview were raised. It was even said in the original post about here she may not have meant it that way. That still doesnt mean you can judge the words on what a radicalised unhinged person may make of them. Words should only ever be judged in the way they are meant and on how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them "...how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them" This is where we encounter our first bump in the road. "Falling at the first hurdle | |||
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"That still doesnt mean you can judge the words on what a radicalised unhinged person may make of them. Words should only ever be judged in the way they are meant and on how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them" I mean, I don't think your argument holds up, but I don't think I am going to change your mind. Good day Radical mindset doesn't matter when talking about a radical mindset... wow | |||
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"The LGB Alliances own Managing Director (and only member of employed staff) under oath stated they were an Anti-Trans organisation. In just may their twitter feed was 76.47% anti trans and only 29.41% pro LGB (before you query, one tweet can be both) Their founders and notable supporters have platformed, and promoted people who have literally called for the end of trans people. (if you doubt this look into interviews that Helen Joyce has done) We live in a nation where the mainstream media has published 501 articles about trans issues (90% were factually inaccurate and negative towards trans people) in just may that is over 16 articles a day. The very notion that a radicalised and potentially violent person couldn't possibly be among those who support the LGBA is ridiculous. there are assholes on both sides after all (as stated above) Helen Joyce has never, in any single interview I have watched, called for the end of trans people. She's asked for debate and open dialogue so that those with concerns about changes to legislation etc can be heard. the only thing you are right about is she didn't use the word End. her exact words were "Every one of those (trans) people is basically - you know - a huge problem to a sane world" "So the fewer of those (trans) people there are the better, in this same world I hope we will reach" You may argue (and it may be true, but I doubt it) that she wasn't talking about killing anyone. But to a violent and radicalised person it could very well mean that. They are after all assholes. Omfg! How vile she is! x
Have you ever watched any of her interviews?
No and don't think I would like to if she says that kinda thing! X
I think that's a mistake to be honest but obviously up to yourself.
Before I take someone else's word that an individual is a horrible, nasty bigot, I want to see for myself. What if the messenger has a hidden agenda?
That's why free speech is so important. Then we get to see people first hand as they are.
So u saying she didn't say this? X
I'm saying I've never seen an interview where she said anything that I interpreted as hateful, vindictive or calling for the end of trans people.
You could watch the sane interviews and reach a different conclusion.
The point I'm making is you should watch and reach your own conclusions rather than accept what someone on Fab Swingers tells you.
As I said I've researched and yes she is truly a vile vomit inducing woman! x
That was some quick research.
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"That still doesnt mean you can judge the words on what a radicalised unhinged person may make of them. Words should only ever be judged in the way they are meant and on how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them I mean, I don't think your argument holds up, but I don't think I am going to change your mind. Good day Radical mindset doesn't matter when talking about a radical mindset... wow" Ive no idea what that means. Also im not making any argument. Im merely stating words should be judged on their own merit, not on how a loon would interpret them. Is that not just common sense? | |||
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"That still doesnt mean you can judge the words on what a radicalised unhinged person may make of them. Words should only ever be judged in the way they are meant and on how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them I mean, I don't think your argument holds up, but I don't think I am going to change your mind. Good day Radical mindset doesn't matter when talking about a radical mindset... wow Ive no idea what that means. Also im not making any argument. Im merely stating words should be judged on their own merit, not on how a loon would interpret them. Is that not just common sense? " It sounds like you are you are saying you are commenting on the discussion without understanding what the discussion is about, but that cannot be right can it? | |||
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"That still doesnt mean you can judge the words on what a radicalised unhinged person may make of them. Words should only ever be judged in the way they are meant and on how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them I mean, I don't think your argument holds up, but I don't think I am going to change your mind. Good day Radical mindset doesn't matter when talking about a radical mindset... wow Ive no idea what that means. Also im not making any argument. Im merely stating words should be judged on their own merit, not on how a loon would interpret them. Is that not just common sense? " Your intervention was intelligent, polite, moderate, and reasonable, but sadly that means that you are totally out of place in this 'discussion'. Erin go bragh! | |||
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"That still doesnt mean you can judge the words on what a radicalised unhinged person may make of them. Words should only ever be judged in the way they are meant and on how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them I mean, I don't think your argument holds up, but I don't think I am going to change your mind. Good day Radical mindset doesn't matter when talking about a radical mindset... wow Ive no idea what that means. Also im not making any argument. Im merely stating words should be judged on their own merit, not on how a loon would interpret them. Is that not just common sense? It sounds like you are you are saying you are commenting on the discussion without understanding what the discussion is about, but that cannot be right can it?" Im not talking about the specific subject matter, but merely the wider subject of interpretation of words etc. | |||
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"That still doesnt mean you can judge the words on what a radicalised unhinged person may make of them. Words should only ever be judged in the way they are meant and on how a sane logical common sense driven person would interpret them I mean, I don't think your argument holds up, but I don't think I am going to change your mind. Good day Radical mindset doesn't matter when talking about a radical mindset... wow Ive no idea what that means. Also im not making any argument. Im merely stating words should be judged on their own merit, not on how a loon would interpret them. Is that not just common sense? Your intervention was intelligent, polite, moderate, and reasonable, but sadly that means that you are totally out of place in this 'discussion'. Erin go bragh!" Thank you very much | |||
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"Im not talking about the specific subject matter, but merely the wider subject of interpretation of words etc. " Oh ok then, you came into the conversation to suggest people should be doing what they were already doing, sorry I misunderstood you! | |||
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"Are there any LGBA folks on this thread or is it all one sided?" There is at least one person who doesn't seem to think they are a hate group, whether that means they support them I do not know. (and it is clearly not all one sided) if it were there would have been far fewer posts in total LOL | |||
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"Are there any LGBA folks on this thread or is it all one sided? There is at least one person who doesn't seem to think they are a hate group, whether that means they support them I do not know. (and it is clearly not all one sided) if it were there would have been far fewer posts in total LOL" Does this benefit anyone on a serious discussion/subject. Enjoy your LOL and maybe re-read the 1st post. | |||
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"Are there any LGBA folks on this thread or is it all one sided? There is at least one person who doesn't seem to think they are a hate group, whether that means they support them I do not know. (and it is clearly not all one sided) if it were there would have been far fewer posts in total LOL Does this benefit anyone on a serious discussion/subject. Enjoy your LOL and maybe re-read the 1st post. " Was this aimed at me? I ask cos I think you may be missing context if it is. I could be wrong too. | |||
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"In all honesty, it's aimed at anyone not simply replying with support and no agenda to this post. It's disgusting this has happened and people need to see support not point scoring between posters. I'm as bad as anyone on other threads. But I cant just let this thread descend into bitching and point scoring. The only thing people should post is the offer of support IMO. I'm probably wrong for posting it, but I feel I need too." You do you. The rest of us will do us | |||
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"In all honesty, it's aimed at anyone not simply replying with support and no agenda to this post. It's disgusting this has happened and people need to see support not point scoring between posters. I'm as bad as anyone on other threads. But I cant just let this thread descend into bitching and point scoring. The only thing people should post is the offer of support IMO. I'm probably wrong for posting it, but I feel I need too." I get where you are coming from and I truly appreciate it. I have been trying (prolly not completely successfully) to show just how bad it is for Trans folx in regards to the OPs topic and answer any questions that come up. I also have a tendency to try and inject levity. Sometimes when it isn't the best of ideas. We are after all only human! I truly appreciate your desire and willingness to support! | |||
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"In all honesty, it's aimed at anyone not simply replying with support and no agenda to this post. It's disgusting this has happened and people need to see support not point scoring between posters. I'm as bad as anyone on other threads. But I cant just let this thread descend into bitching and point scoring. The only thing people should post is the offer of support IMO. I'm probably wrong for posting it, but I feel I need too." xx | |||
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"Good filter these threads! Updated my private notes to include the terfs!" Whats a terf? | |||
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"Good filter these threads! Updated my private notes to include the terfs! Whats a terf? " A feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women not the grass sort u plant in the garden! x | |||
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"Good filter these threads! Updated my private notes to include the terfs! Whats a terf? A feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women not the grass sort u plant in the garden! x"Thats sounds like another made up term to try and bash people who dont agree with a specific agenda | |||
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"Good filter these threads! Updated my private notes to include the terfs! Whats a terf? A feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women not the grass sort u plant in the garden! x
Thats sounds like another made up term to try and bash people who dont agree with a specific agenda"All language is ultimately an invention. Why is an apple an apple? Because there's been a long period of widespread agreement that it's an apple. A terf is the same. And still a distraction from the shitstains who abuse trans people and the disgusting organisations that promote such abuse. | |||
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"Good filter these threads! Updated my private notes to include the terfs! Whats a terf? A feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women not the grass sort u plant in the garden! x
Thats sounds like another made up term to try and bash people who dont agree with a specific agenda"The whole English language was originally made up? | |||
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"Good filter these threads! Updated my private notes to include the terfs! Whats a terf? A feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women not the grass sort u plant in the garden! x
Thats sounds like another made up term to try and bash people who dont agree with a specific agenda
All language is ultimately an invention.
Why is an apple an apple? Because there's been a long period of widespread agreement that it's an apple.
A terf is the same.
And still a distraction from the shitstains who abuse trans people and the disgusting organisations that promote such abuse."Sounds more like another term to bash women who dont agree 100% with current trans ideology to me | |||
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"Good filter these threads! Updated my private notes to include the terfs! Whats a terf? A feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women not the grass sort u plant in the garden! x
Thats sounds like another made up term to try and bash people who dont agree with a specific agenda
All language is ultimately an invention.
Why is an apple an apple? Because there's been a long period of widespread agreement that it's an apple.
A terf is the same.
And still a distraction from the shitstains who abuse trans people and the disgusting organisations that promote such abuse." x | |||
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"Please be aware that members of the LGB Alliance are targeting trans people with messages of encouragement to commit suicide. This is not a joke. Please report if you get any abusive messages. The admin on here are very good and will help. If you are getting persistent targeted abuse don't let it get to you. Please keep screenshot copies if it's getting so bad it hurts. Just remember that there are people who care. X On here or elsewhere?"  | |||
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"Sounds more like another term to bash women who dont agree 100% with current trans ideology to me" TERF is a term that was made up BY TERFs and is still used by most of them, some don't like that many see them for what they are and that is anti trans people and no longer like the term. | |||
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