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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming" Over run government or not people will still have to pay the gas bill! | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming Over run government or not people will still have to pay the gas bill!" without the power companies will get the same treatment | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming Over run government or not people will still have to pay the gas bill!" Revolution is probably a bit harsh but we the masses will decide how this all ends up and I mean worldwide | |||
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"Huge increases on energy prices will be reducing disposable income (if you have any). £325 a month will soon be normal and expected to last at least two years. The average priced home was £272,000 last year and almost has increased to £300,000 this year. £28,000 tax free gains for many, could have been used to pay for energy saving upgrades on the property either by the home owner or the landlord, which would reduce energy bills. Yet people bought 2 million new cars in the last year, 10 million holidays, 2.1 million weddings at £20,000+ a pop, and the average household spends £1000 at Christmas Only 10% of uk homes have solar panels, and only 1.5% of the 32 million cars on uk roads are electric Are peoples spending priorities sensible " What about those who don't own a home at that level, so gains are minimal or don't own a home. It seems a very biased post jn a number of ways towards a certain perspective. | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming" 
Of course it's not.. | |||
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"The crime wave will make 80s new york look like shoplifting the school tuck shops " No it really won't. | |||
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" What about those who don't own a home at that level, so gains are minimal or don't own a home. It seems a very biased post jn a number of ways towards a certain perspective. " Why haven’t the government made energy upgrades the law on rented property, landlords get tax relief on loans and interest rates have been the lowest in 300 years. | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not.."people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone | |||
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"Everything you mentioned can be took on loan or saved for months appon months at like a £10 a month You find 98% off those car will be hpv at like £100 a month you can get a bring new 70k bmw for £160 a month The problem is electric company dose not do loans they want they money upfront So people on lower incomes can’t substitute Take those figers and then find who payed for them out right upfront You find less than 2% " You can get loans for solar panels too. Landlords can get cheaper interest loans for energy saving upgrades. | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone "Awww no mate no no no | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone "Well people have to take personal responsibility for their range. We will not be seeing starving malnutrition babies.yes times are going to be hard but they have been harder and people will adapt. | |||
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"And they think giving £400 per household back to the energy companies is helping" Well of course it helps whether it's enough or not is a different matter but it will definitely help. | |||
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"Huge increases on energy prices will be reducing disposable income (if you have any). £325 a month will soon be normal and expected to last at least two years. The average priced home was £272,000 last year and almost has increased to £300,000 this year. £28,000 tax free gains for many, could have been used to pay for energy saving upgrades on the property either by the home owner or the landlord, which would reduce energy bills. Yet people bought 2 million new cars in the last year, 10 million holidays, 2.1 million weddings at £20,000+ a pop, and the average household spends £1000 at Christmas Only 10% of uk homes have solar panels, and only 1.5% of the 32 million cars on uk roads are electric Are peoples spending priorities sensible " A lot of the time no... They tend to place a priority on luxuries and not necessary things, for some people the line is blurred, for example a Sky TV package is a necessity and not a luxury... | |||
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"And they think giving £400 per household back to the energy companies is helping" 937,000 second home owners are getting the £400 too | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone
Well people have to take personal responsibility for their range. We will not be seeing starving malnutrition babies.yes times are going to be hard but they have been harder and people will adapt. "And that’s what I’m saying and government will have to act accordingly to what the masses are doing | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone
Awww no mate no no no"fail to prepare prepare to fail | |||
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" What about those who don't own a home at that level, so gains are minimal or don't own a home. It seems a very biased post jn a number of ways towards a certain perspective. Why haven’t the government made energy upgrades the law on rented property, landlords get tax relief on loans and interest rates have been the lowest in 300 years. " Didn't answer my questions. Your OP seems to be judging individual priorities. Now you're talking about landlords and legislation to push energy upgrades? What's the agenda? | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone "Sorry mate whilst I agree that there's a lot of hardship out there and more to come your talking rubbish If you think it'll be like a warzone.. We've had massive child poverty all the way through the last 12 years, people will come together more but there won't be no revolution.. And it won't be televised.. | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone
Sorry mate whilst I agree that there's a lot of hardship out there and more to come your talking rubbish If you think it'll be like a warzone..
We've had massive child poverty all the way through the last 12 years, people will come together more but there won't be no revolution..
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" What about those who don't own a home at that level, so gains are minimal or don't own a home. It seems a very biased post jn a number of ways towards a certain perspective. Why haven’t the government made energy upgrades the law on rented property, landlords get tax relief on loans and interest rates have been the lowest in 300 years. Didn't answer my questions. Your OP seems to be judging individual priorities. Now you're talking about landlords and legislation to push energy upgrades? What's the agenda?" 37% of uk homes are rented, social and privately. I’m saying the 63% have a choice if they wish to spend on energy saving upgrades. The 37% need their homes upgraded, why has this not been done. | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though" Not paying your bills will get you cut off! this is completely different to the poll tax. It will also ruin your credit rating and put you in a far worse financial position so not something that should be suggested. | |||
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"Perhaps poster should have a rethink. Yes my house has gone up by about 35K since last year. That is on paper . Not 35K in bank. " A house is a home and worth is in the home anything else is snobbery | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though Not paying your bills will get you cut off! this is completely different to the poll tax. It will also ruin your credit rating and put you in a far worse financial position so not something that should be suggested. " Well you are wrong, there are ways to exert pressure like this without trashing your credit, but go off without actually looking into it. | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though Not paying your bills will get you cut off! this is completely different to the poll tax. It will also ruin your credit rating and put you in a far worse financial position so not something that should be suggested. " or get someone to rig up the meters likes already happening on council estates accross the uk | |||
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"Everything you mentioned can be took on loan or saved for months appon months at like a £10 a month You find 98% off those car will be hpv at like £100 a month you can get a bring new 70k bmw for £160 a month The problem is electric company dose not do loans they want they money upfront So people on lower incomes can’t substitute Take those figers and then find who payed for them out right upfront You find less than 2% You can get loans for solar panels too. Landlords can get cheaper interest loans for energy saving upgrades. " What like loan for what like 4-5 million LLT or aka Linus tech tips who’s at the forfort off leading teach journalism spent 4 million on them and they were worthless and that was him getting a discount for a ad spot and he stays in Canada whare there’s sun I stay in Scotland whare it rains 90% off the time When the big boys in tech are saying they worthless then they worthless | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though Not paying your bills will get you cut off! this is completely different to the poll tax. It will also ruin your credit rating and put you in a far worse financial position so not something that should be suggested. Well you are wrong, there are ways to exert pressure like this without trashing your credit, but go off without actually looking into it." Seeing as you seem to know everything why don't you tell us all how we can stop paying our bills and not trash our credit rating. I'm sure we would all be grateful for your knowledge. | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though Not paying your bills will get you cut off! this is completely different to the poll tax. It will also ruin your credit rating and put you in a far worse financial position so not something that should be suggested. or get someone to rig up the meters likes already happening on council estates accross the uk " Which is illegal and the majority of people do not want to break the law, It is also exceptionally dangerous. | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone "Actually it wont, the powers at be are quite clever. They’ve give everyone what they want on the whole and turned generation by generation into a bunch of snowflake pansies. They wont get their phones…. Access to social media, fancy German cars, fake tits, fake lips, designer clothing, 5k kamado bbq, jimmy choo heels etc So dangle the carrot and theyll stay plasticine and controllable. All this is fear……. And the hike in energy costs is to sway us off fossil fuels and embrace new technology at OUR expense. | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone
Sorry mate whilst I agree that there's a lot of hardship out there and more to come your talking rubbish If you think it'll be like a warzone..
We've had massive child poverty all the way through the last 12 years, people will come together more but there won't be no revolution..
And it won't be televised.."there are plenty of private media outlets to televise this i was talking in the sense of the starving african adverts we used to always get sad as they were when its on the doorstep its a different story all together | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though Not paying your bills will get you cut off! this is completely different to the poll tax. It will also ruin your credit rating and put you in a far worse financial position so not something that should be suggested. or get someone to rig up the meters likes already happening on council estates accross the uk " That illegal tampering with the meter But what’s not illegal If your not a smart meter and pay and go Is cause a short and blowing the meter sky high with the gate opened and don’t answer the door to meter readers | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though Not paying your bills will get you cut off! this is completely different to the poll tax. It will also ruin your credit rating and put you in a far worse financial position so not something that should be suggested. or get someone to rig up the meters likes already happening on council estates accross the uk Which is illegal and the majority of people do not want to break the law, It is also exceptionally dangerous. " hence the begining of the crime wave desperation changes the priority of laws | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though Not paying your bills will get you cut off! this is completely different to the poll tax. It will also ruin your credit rating and put you in a far worse financial position so not something that should be suggested. or get someone to rig up the meters likes already happening on council estates accross the uk That illegal tampering with the meter But what’s not illegal If your not a smart meter and pay and go Is cause a short and blowing the meter sky high with the gate opened and don’t answer the door to meter readers " Let's not Advocate people breaking the law. Tampering with your metre is definitely against the law and I know people who have been charged with this. | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone
Actually it wont, the powers at be are quite clever. They’ve give everyone what they want on the whole and turned generation by generation into a bunch of snowflake pansies. They wont get their phones…. Access to social media, fancy German cars, fake tits, fake lips, designer clothing, 5k kamado bbq, jimmy choo heels etc
So dangle the carrot and theyll stay plasticine and controllable.
All this is fear……. And the hike in energy costs is to sway us off fossil fuels and embrace new technology at OUR expense. "This. | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though Not paying your bills will get you cut off! this is completely different to the poll tax. It will also ruin your credit rating and put you in a far worse financial position so not something that should be suggested. or get someone to rig up the meters likes already happening on council estates accross the uk Which is illegal and the majority of people do not want to break the law, It is also exceptionally dangerous. hence the begining of the crime wave desperation changes the priority of laws " im not saying people should just that people will | |||
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"I really worry for people as winter approaches... How many lives need to be lost before the Gov steps in? How on earth will people on universal credit pay fuel bills that are higher than the credit they receive? " this this this this this | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though Not paying your bills will get you cut off! this is completely different to the poll tax. It will also ruin your credit rating and put you in a far worse financial position so not something that should be suggested. or get someone to rig up the meters likes already happening on council estates accross the uk That illegal tampering with the meter But what’s not illegal If your not a smart meter and pay and go Is cause a short and blowing the meter sky high with the gate opened and don’t answer the door to meter readers Let's not Advocate people breaking the law. Tampering with your metre is definitely against the law and I know people who have been charged with this. " It’s not brake the law as you aren’t tampering with the meter at all It’s not against the law it is however unethical Basically you case a electric short that fry’s the meter while it still has money in it witch means the meter gose dead and because it had money in it when it died the gate is jammed open It’s only illegal if you brake the anti tamper seal back feeding a meter isn’t illegal But if you don’t know how to there a good chance you not need to worry about it as it will kill | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone
Actually it wont, the powers at be are quite clever. They’ve give everyone what they want on the whole and turned generation by generation into a bunch of snowflake pansies. They wont get their phones…. Access to social media, fancy German cars, fake tits, fake lips, designer clothing, 5k kamado bbq, jimmy choo heels etc
So dangle the carrot and theyll stay plasticine and controllable.
All this is fear……. And the hike in energy costs is to sway us off fossil fuels and embrace new technology at OUR expense. "meanwhile china wreck the atmosphere anyway so either way we get fucked | |||
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"I really worry for people as winter approaches... How many lives need to be lost before the Gov steps in? How on earth will people on universal credit pay fuel bills that are higher than the credit they receive? this this this this this "Not on UC (still on the older format cos it is like £5 more a week than switching, and I haven't been forced yet) but still benefits based because I am a fulltime carer for a disabled family member. I have no idea how I will pay for this sort of hike. | |||
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"I really worry for people as winter approaches... How many lives need to be lost before the Gov steps in? How on earth will people on universal credit pay fuel bills that are higher than the credit they receive? this this this this this "The government stopped the £20 UC increment after covid. Yet finds the money to pay Rwanda £600,000 a head for each deportee. | |||
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"The crime wave will make 80s new york look like shoplifting the school tuck shops " Will you be dancing with such delight when you are on the receiving end of the crime wave? | |||
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"I really worry for people as winter approaches... How many lives need to be lost before the Gov steps in? How on earth will people on universal credit pay fuel bills that are higher than the credit they receive? this this this this this
Not on UC (still on the older format cos it is like £5 more a week than switching, and I haven't been forced yet) but still benefits based because I am a fulltime carer for a disabled family member. I have no idea how I will pay for this sort of hike."sorry to say you simply wont | |||
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"I really worry for people as winter approaches... How many lives need to be lost before the Gov steps in? How on earth will people on universal credit pay fuel bills that are higher than the credit they receive? " They have already been given £360 pounds and will be given another 340 in the autumn. Those on pension credits and other benefits also received this. They will also get the £400 pounds every one else will and most are entitled to the warm home discount of £150. Our estimated bill for this year as things stand is £300 pounds more than last year. The average bill is meant to rise by around £700 so this is money is definitely going to help these people. | |||
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"The crime wave will make 80s new york look like shoplifting the school tuck shops Will you be dancing with such delight when you are on the receiving end of the crime wave?" when did i say il be dancing im just saying what i think is coming the prospect of being barracaded in my home tooled up protecting what i have while not new is not something im looking forward to but iv seen desperation in people and seen what they will do if cornered | |||
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"I really worry for people as winter approaches... How many lives need to be lost before the Gov steps in? How on earth will people on universal credit pay fuel bills that are higher than the credit they receive? this this this this this
Not on UC (still on the older format cos it is like £5 more a week than switching, and I haven't been forced yet) but still benefits based because I am a fulltime carer for a disabled family member. I have no idea how I will pay for this sort of hike."I'm really frightened for you and others in similar situations, especially with other costs spiralling too | |||
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" £28,000 tax free gains for many, could have been used to pay for energy saving upgrades on the property either by the home owner or the landlord, which would reduce energy bills. " So you're advocating taxing theoretical profits of homeowners, who are also going to have to pay the higher energy bills? maybe you should look at the profits of the utility companies, share holders, tax avoidance companies like Starbucks & Amazon paying decent levels of tax..maybe out former chancellor and potential new PM could close the loopholes that allow his wife and friends to dodge tax the rest of us cop for? theres a 1001 other ways to raise revenue- shitting on people paying a chunk of their income in mortgage payments to have a home is ridiculous- if they can;t then afford it...who the fuck do you think is going to have to pay to house them when they're homeless and broke?  | |||
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"I really worry for people as winter approaches... How many lives need to be lost before the Gov steps in? How on earth will people on universal credit pay fuel bills that are higher than the credit they receive? this this this this this
Not on UC (still on the older format cos it is like £5 more a week than switching, and I haven't been forced yet) but still benefits based because I am a fulltime carer for a disabled family member. I have no idea how I will pay for this sort of hike.sorry to say you simply wont"Yeah, I am fortunate that with being a carer I can get a little extra pocket money from self employment (not much but a little), but I am not even sure if that will be enough for all these rises. | |||
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"Still on the flip side the high energy cost will do far more to curb inflation than an interest rise,..." Not much comfort to those who will be making use of the "Warm Banks" that are being planned along side the Food banks in the country.  | |||
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"I really worry for people as winter approaches... How many lives need to be lost before the Gov steps in? How on earth will people on universal credit pay fuel bills that are higher than the credit they receive? They have already been given £360 pounds and will be given another 340 in the autumn. Those on pension credits and other benefits also received this. They will also get the £400 pounds every one else will and most are entitled to the warm home discount of £150. Our estimated bill for this year as things stand is £300 pounds more than last year. The average bill is meant to rise by around £700 so this is money is definitely going to help these people. " I hope so... what about all the other costs as well though - even basic food is so much more expensive at the moment...and expected to rise due to the weather /war and i don't even think we've begun to feel the repercussions of the current cost of logistics.. Its costing thousands more to move goods than it did a couple of years ago... And suppliers are still haggling amongst themselves how to divvy the costs.. But it'll hit the consumer ultimately  | |||
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"Still on the flip side the high energy cost will do far more to curb inflation than an interest rise,..." How? Shops and businesses will need to continue increasing their charges. | |||
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"I really worry for people as winter approaches... How many lives need to be lost before the Gov steps in? How on earth will people on universal credit pay fuel bills that are higher than the credit they receive? They have already been given £360 pounds and will be given another 340 in the autumn. Those on pension credits and other benefits also received this. They will also get the £400 pounds every one else will and most are entitled to the warm home discount of £150. Our estimated bill for this year as things stand is £300 pounds more than last year. The average bill is meant to rise by around £700 so this is money is definitely going to help these people. I hope so... what about all the other costs as well though - even basic food is so much more expensive at the moment...and expected to rise due to the weather /war and i don't even think we've begun to feel the repercussions of the current cost of logistics.. Its costing thousands more to move goods than it did a couple of years ago... And suppliers are still haggling amongst themselves how to divvy the costs.. But it'll hit the consumer ultimately "We will all have to make sacrifices but as I said above I think the ones we need to worry about the most are those that are currently just about managing and not entitled to any help. These are the people that are going to be in difficulty. | |||
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"Still on the flip side the high energy cost will do far more to curb inflation than an interest rise,... How? Shops and businesses will need to continue increasing their charges." Fair point. When Putin pulls the plug on gas in November we will have economic meltdown! | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? " We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? " Also ignores other essential bills... and the fact that MOST rent costs more than any benefit the person would get and the difference comes out of their UC | |||
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"The simple solution is while the energy companies are making profit, increase their tax % at twice the rate they increase their prices %. Hell I will even say do the opposite too. Lower their tax % if they lower prices. Take increased Tax revenue and use it to help pay the bills of those most struggling upwards. I know I know, this is the UK and that sounds too much like a socialist agenda" That's an incentive for the government to gain more revenue. They've been doing very well from the increased fuel prices too. | |||
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"The simple solution is while the energy companies are making profit, increase their tax % at twice the rate they increase their prices %. Hell I will even say do the opposite too. Lower their tax % if they lower prices. Take increased Tax revenue and use it to help pay the bills of those most struggling upwards. I know I know, this is the UK and that sounds too much like a socialist agenda That's an incentive for the government to gain more revenue. They've been doing very well from the increased fuel prices too." I mean yeah, my plan would involve a government wanting and willing to help the people... | |||
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"The simple solution is while the energy companies are making profit, increase their tax % at twice the rate they increase their prices %. Hell I will even say do the opposite too. Lower their tax % if they lower prices. Take increased Tax revenue and use it to help pay the bills of those most struggling upwards. I know I know, this is the UK and that sounds too much like a socialist agenda That's an incentive for the government to gain more revenue. They've been doing very well from the increased fuel prices too. I mean yeah, my plan would involve a government wanting and willing to help the people..." Unfortunately people didn't vote for that | |||
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"I really worry for people as winter approaches... How many lives need to be lost before the Gov steps in? How on earth will people on universal credit pay fuel bills that are higher than the credit they receive? They have already been given £360 pounds and will be given another 340 in the autumn. Those on pension credits and other benefits also received this. They will also get the £400 pounds every one else will and most are entitled to the warm home discount of £150. Our estimated bill for this year as things stand is £300 pounds more than last year. The average bill is meant to rise by around £700 so this is money is definitely going to help these people. I hope so... what about all the other costs as well though - even basic food is so much more expensive at the moment...and expected to rise due to the weather /war and i don't even think we've begun to feel the repercussions of the current cost of logistics.. Its costing thousands more to move goods than it did a couple of years ago... And suppliers are still haggling amongst themselves how to divvy the costs.. But it'll hit the consumer ultimately
We will all have to make sacrifices but as I said above I think the ones we need to worry about the most are those that are currently just about managing and not entitled to any help. These are the people that are going to be in difficulty. "I agree with you about the new income bracket sliding into poverty, but i also think those already in poverty are gonna be in real trouble - through work I'm involved with food insecurity and the stories are hair-raising. I know three businesses owners who are contemplating closing successful businesses because of the rising costs - one is a fish +chip business hit by oil +potatos at 2-4 times the cost they used to be - customers object / won't or can't pay increased prices, so they are currently losing money every portion they sell | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. " you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. | |||
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"Not to worry government will be overun soon too the revolution is coming
Of course it's not..people are changed since lockdown tired hurting struggling to survive i see it daily the rage in people and the patience is very thin now look at the srikes atm thats just the begining when we start seeing starving homeless malnourished british babies on tv thats when people will snap by christmas the uk will look like a warzone
Actually it wont, the powers at be are quite clever. They’ve give everyone what they want on the whole and turned generation by generation into a bunch of snowflake pansies. They wont get their phones…. Access to social media, fancy German cars, fake tits, fake lips, designer clothing, 5k kamado bbq, jimmy choo heels etc
So dangle the carrot and theyll stay plasticine and controllable.
All this is fear……. And the hike in energy costs is to sway us off fossil fuels and embrace new technology at OUR expense. "What on earth are you talking about? A tiny minority can afford Jimmy Choo heels and a 5k BBQ. That's not the real world. | |||
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" £28,000 tax free gains for many, could have been used to pay for energy saving upgrades on the property either by the home owner or the landlord, which would reduce energy bills. So you're advocating taxing theoretical profits of homeowners, who are also going to have to pay the higher energy bills? "No. With all this housing equity that homeowners and landlords have, how about a government scheme of grants and cheap loans to enable properties to be upgraded to reduce occupants energy bills. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay." Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. | |||
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"There is not enough awareness to reality in this thread (yes this is a subtweet) Totally agree with you " Seeing as nobody knows anybody else's financial situation on this thread I don't think that is fair or true. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. " Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. " research provided from fantasyland.com | |||
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"You can thank your government for their asinine green policies that are detached from reality as well as the enthusiastic support for Russian sanctions that have significantly impacted the cost of energy "Exactly | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. " That's the average gas bill... from 2021! | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits." This will always be the case if people have more bedrooms than there are people living in the property. The majority of single people on universal credit will be living in one bedroom property. We have prepayment metres and are not paying anywhere near The number quoted by the poster above. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. " I'm sorry but that is inaccurate information. For a 1-2 bed house the average cost is £100 a month. And due to rise by another 60% + in August. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. That's the average gas bill... from 2021!" No I have taken that figure from the money saving expert website from May this year. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits. This will always be the case if people have more bedrooms than there are people living in the property. The majority of single people on universal credit will be living in one bedroom property. We have prepayment metres and are not paying anywhere near The number quoted by the poster above. " Nonetheless the average figure for people in the UK is double that. | |||
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". The average priced home was £272,000 last year and almost has increased to £300,000 this year. £28,000 tax free gains for many, could have been used to pay for energy saving upgrades on the property either by the home owner or the landlord, which would reduce energy bills. " How? Compulsory remortgaging? Irrespective of how you propose to crystallise the increase, most properties have already done the easy energy-related improvements, and could only produce additional improvements via things like solar power (12+ years to recover investment) or air source heat pumps (8+ years). Neither action would help with energy costs this winter. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. I'm sorry but that is inaccurate information. For a 1-2 bed house the average cost is £100 a month. And due to rise by another 60% + in August. " Then myself and the vast majority of people I know must be below average then. I have just "d where I got the information from above could you tell me where you got yours from please. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. " direct your anger at the OP .... it's their figure that they mentioned in their opening gambit. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits. This will always be the case if people have more bedrooms than there are people living in the property. The majority of single people on universal credit will be living in one bedroom property. We have prepayment metres and are not paying anywhere near The number quoted by the poster above. Nonetheless the average figure for people in the UK is double that. " I think it's really important that people stop trying to use scare tactics. Because the point I'm making is it is not true that most people on universal credit as a single person will be paying £325 a month. Of course what people pay will vary on the type of property they have and how they heat their homes. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. I'm sorry but that is inaccurate information. For a 1-2 bed house the average cost is £100 a month. And due to rise by another 60% + in August. Then myself and the vast majority of people I know must be below average then. I have just "d where I got the information from above could you tell me where you got yours from please. " Moneyhelper | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. direct your anger at the OP .... it's their figure that they mentioned in their opening gambit. " What anger? And I was replying to your comment. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. That's the average gas bill... from 2021! No I have taken that figure from the money saving expert website from May this year. " Fair enough. So the average gas bill was £47 a month in 2021 but you've found 'research' from 2022 that says the total energy bill is that same amount? Bills somehow went down despite the rises
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits. This will always be the case if people have more bedrooms than there are people living in the property. The majority of single people on universal credit will be living in one bedroom property. We have prepayment metres and are not paying anywhere near The number quoted by the poster above. Nonetheless the average figure for people in the UK is double that. I think it's really important that people stop trying to use scare tactics. Because the point I'm making is it is not true that most people on universal credit as a single person will be paying £325 a month. Of course what people pay will vary on the type of property they have and how they heat their homes. " You've quoted Money Expert. You can't be blind to what Martin Lewis is saying about the rising energy costs. Is he using scare tactics? | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits. This will always be the case if people have more bedrooms than there are people living in the property. The majority of single people on universal credit will be living in one bedroom property. We have prepayment metres and are not paying anywhere near The number quoted by the poster above. " My Dad is not unusual as a pensioner living in a house with extra bedrooms, nor in being ineligible for pension credit BUT also massively lacking in funds (bank account constantly in minus figures). It's not as easy as saying "sell it and buy somewhere smaller" because he has almost no equity and no savings or a level of income with which he could pay rent. We have a 3 bed house and all are occupied. The massive increase in the DD came before our son moved home with his girlfriend, so our current DD probably doesn't take into account 4x adults and a child in our house. Which is from the 1900s and no cavity etc. We had a new roof last year which has marginally improved insulation but options to insulate our type of external wall are negligible and exceptionally expensive. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. That's the average gas bill... from 2021! No I have taken that figure from the money saving expert website from May this year. Fair enough. So the average gas bill was £47 a month in 2021 but you've found 'research' from 2022 that says the total energy bill is that same amount? Bills somehow went down despite the rises
Guess there's nothing to worry about after all."I actually didn't say that I said that is what I had found in the research I had done. Not sure why I'm being jumped on for simply saying the vast majority of people will not be paying £325 a month as a single person. I have also said nowhere that there is nothing to worry about. I have made it very clear I think things are going to get hard I just don't think things are quite as some people are suggesting. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. " This is not a figure I recognise and statistics, as you no doubt know, can be very misleading. I live in an old house with a large boiler. Even when I lived alone my energy bills were nowhere near £47 pcm. I doubt I'm the only one. I can't imagine the vast majority of single people live in extremely well insulated flats. Are these figures current? I wonder whether it includes single people living with parents paying nothing or contributing to their parents' energy costs. That would pull an average right down. C. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits. This will always be the case if people have more bedrooms than there are people living in the property. The majority of single people on universal credit will be living in one bedroom property. We have prepayment metres and are not paying anywhere near The number quoted by the poster above. Nonetheless the average figure for people in the UK is double that. I think it's really important that people stop trying to use scare tactics. Because the point I'm making is it is not true that most people on universal credit as a single person will be paying £325 a month. Of course what people pay will vary on the type of property they have and how they heat their homes. You've quoted Money Expert. You can't be blind to what Martin Lewis is saying about the rising energy costs. Is he using scare tactics? " Stop twisting what I've said thank you. I have simply said what I found on a website and where I found it. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. That's the average gas bill... from 2021! No I have taken that figure from the money saving expert website from May this year. Fair enough. So the average gas bill was £47 a month in 2021 but you've found 'research' from 2022 that says the total energy bill is that same amount? Bills somehow went down despite the rises
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I actually didn't say that I said that is what I had found in the research I had done. Not sure why I'm being jumped on for simply saying the vast majority of people will not be paying £325 a month as a single person. I have also said nowhere that there is nothing to worry about. I have made it very clear I think things are going to get hard I just don't think things are quite as some people are suggesting. "The OP didn't say £325 was a figure for single people unless he's updated in the thread. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. This is not a figure I recognise and statistics, as you no doubt know, can be very misleading. I live in an old house with a large boiler. Even when I lived alone my energy bills were nowhere near £47 pcm. I doubt I'm the only one. I can't imagine the vast majority of single people live in extremely well insulated flats. Are these figures current? I wonder whether it includes single people living with parents paying nothing or contributing to their parents' energy costs. That would pull an average right down. C. " I'm not sure I've paid as little as £47 pcm in the last decade  | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits. This will always be the case if people have more bedrooms than there are people living in the property. The majority of single people on universal credit will be living in one bedroom property. We have prepayment metres and are not paying anywhere near The number quoted by the poster above. Nonetheless the average figure for people in the UK is double that. I think it's really important that people stop trying to use scare tactics. Because the point I'm making is it is not true that most people on universal credit as a single person will be paying £325 a month. Of course what people pay will vary on the type of property they have and how they heat their homes. You've quoted Money Expert. You can't be blind to what Martin Lewis is saying about the rising energy costs. Is he using scare tactics? Stop twisting what I've said thank you. I have simply said what I found on a website and where I found it. " Not twisting. You've used the phrase "scare tactics" Lorna. It's a reasonable question. Is the foremost commentator about money in the country try using scare tactics about energy bills? | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. This is not a figure I recognise and statistics, as you no doubt know, can be very misleading. I live in an old house with a large boiler. Even when I lived alone my energy bills were nowhere near £47 pcm. I doubt I'm the only one. I can't imagine the vast majority of single people live in extremely well insulated flats. Are these figures current? I wonder whether it includes single people living with parents paying nothing or contributing to their parents' energy costs. That would pull an average right down. C. " I don't know but you see these are figures I do recognise. We are a couple living in a one bedroom flat and currently paying around 50 pounds a month for gas and electric on a prepayment metre. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. This is not a figure I recognise and statistics, as you no doubt know, can be very misleading. I live in an old house with a large boiler. Even when I lived alone my energy bills were nowhere near £47 pcm. I doubt I'm the only one. I can't imagine the vast majority of single people live in extremely well insulated flats. Are these figures current? I wonder whether it includes single people living with parents paying nothing or contributing to their parents' energy costs. That would pull an average right down. C. I don't know but you see these are figures I do recognise. We are a couple living in a one bedroom flat and currently paying around 50 pounds a month for gas and electric on a prepayment metre. " That's pretty good if you can get it. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. That's the average gas bill... from 2021! No I have taken that figure from the money saving expert website from May this year. Fair enough. So the average gas bill was £47 a month in 2021 but you've found 'research' from 2022 that says the total energy bill is that same amount? Bills somehow went down despite the rises
Guess there's nothing to worry about after all.
I actually didn't say that I said that is what I had found in the research I had done. Not sure why I'm being jumped on for simply saying the vast majority of people will not be paying £325 a month as a single person. I have also said nowhere that there is nothing to worry about. I have made it very clear I think things are going to get hard I just don't think things are quite as some people are suggesting. "because you have no clue about the vast majority ... it's wild surmise based your personal experiences in life and anecdotal evidence is not fact. but you carry on using 'the vast majority' if that sounbite makes you feel empowered. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits. This will always be the case if people have more bedrooms than there are people living in the property. The majority of single people on universal credit will be living in one bedroom property. We have prepayment metres and are not paying anywhere near The number quoted by the poster above. Nonetheless the average figure for people in the UK is double that. I think it's really important that people stop trying to use scare tactics. Because the point I'm making is it is not true that most people on universal credit as a single person will be paying £325 a month. Of course what people pay will vary on the type of property they have and how they heat their homes. You've quoted Money Expert. You can't be blind to what Martin Lewis is saying about the rising energy costs. Is he using scare tactics? Stop twisting what I've said thank you. I have simply said what I found on a website and where I found it. Not twisting. You've used the phrase "scare tactics" Lorna. It's a reasonable question. Is the foremost commentator about money in the country try using scare tactics about energy bills? " You are twisting because that was on a separate post and nothing to do with what I'm saying here. There are people on this thread scaremongering saying there is going to be a revolution and malnutrition babies. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. That's the average gas bill... from 2021! No I have taken that figure from the money saving expert website from May this year. Fair enough. So the average gas bill was £47 a month in 2021 but you've found 'research' from 2022 that says the total energy bill is that same amount? Bills somehow went down despite the rises
Guess there's nothing to worry about after all.
I actually didn't say that I said that is what I had found in the research I had done. Not sure why I'm being jumped on for simply saying the vast majority of people will not be paying £325 a month as a single person. I have also said nowhere that there is nothing to worry about. I have made it very clear I think things are going to get hard I just don't think things are quite as some people are suggesting.
because you have no clue about the vast majority ... it's wild surmise based your personal experiences in life and anecdotal evidence is not fact.
but you carry on using 'the vast majority' if that sounbite makes you feel empowered."Seeing as you put out the figure would you like to tell us what fact that is based on please. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits. This will always be the case if people have more bedrooms than there are people living in the property. The majority of single people on universal credit will be living in one bedroom property. We have prepayment metres and are not paying anywhere near The number quoted by the poster above. Nonetheless the average figure for people in the UK is double that. I think it's really important that people stop trying to use scare tactics. Because the point I'm making is it is not true that most people on universal credit as a single person will be paying £325 a month. Of course what people pay will vary on the type of property they have and how they heat their homes. You've quoted Money Expert. You can't be blind to what Martin Lewis is saying about the rising energy costs. Is he using scare tactics? Stop twisting what I've said thank you. I have simply said what I found on a website and where I found it. Not twisting. You've used the phrase "scare tactics" Lorna. It's a reasonable question. Is the foremost commentator about money in the country try using scare tactics about energy bills? You are twisting because that was on a separate post and nothing to do with what I'm saying here. There are people on this thread scaremongering saying there is going to be a revolution and malnutrition babies. " It was on this thread that you mentioned scare tactics. There will be already children suffering from malnutrition. There are 4 million kids living in poverty already. You can call this scaremongering sitting in your comfy little flat with £50 energy bills. Sure. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. That's the average gas bill... from 2021! No I have taken that figure from the money saving expert website from May this year. Fair enough. So the average gas bill was £47 a month in 2021 but you've found 'research' from 2022 that says the total energy bill is that same amount? Bills somehow went down despite the rises
Guess there's nothing to worry about after all.
I actually didn't say that I said that is what I had found in the research I had done. Not sure why I'm being jumped on for simply saying the vast majority of people will not be paying £325 a month as a single person. I have also said nowhere that there is nothing to worry about. I have made it very clear I think things are going to get hard I just don't think things are quite as some people are suggesting.
because you have no clue about the vast majority ... it's wild surmise based your personal experiences in life and anecdotal evidence is not fact.
but you carry on using 'the vast majority' if that sounbite makes you feel empowered.
Seeing as you put out the figure would you like to tell us what fact that is based on please. "i didn't say it was fact. i already said a couple of posts ago that it was the figure that the OP mentioned in their opening gambit if you could've been bothered to listen. the figure of £335 UC for a single person is from the government website before you kick off again. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. Our direct debits have been set to a combined total of £230 a month since April. My Dad, a single pensioner who doesn't heat the rooms he doesn't use and who barely cooks for himself, is paying more than £100 a month for gas and electric direct debits. This will always be the case if people have more bedrooms than there are people living in the property. The majority of single people on universal credit will be living in one bedroom property. We have prepayment metres and are not paying anywhere near The number quoted by the poster above. Nonetheless the average figure for people in the UK is double that. I think it's really important that people stop trying to use scare tactics. Because the point I'm making is it is not true that most people on universal credit as a single person will be paying £325 a month. Of course what people pay will vary on the type of property they have and how they heat their homes. You've quoted Money Expert. You can't be blind to what Martin Lewis is saying about the rising energy costs. Is he using scare tactics? Stop twisting what I've said thank you. I have simply said what I found on a website and where I found it. Not twisting. You've used the phrase "scare tactics" Lorna. It's a reasonable question. Is the foremost commentator about money in the country try using scare tactics about energy bills? You are twisting because that was on a separate post and nothing to do with what I'm saying here. There are people on this thread scaremongering saying there is going to be a revolution and malnutrition babies. It was on this thread that you mentioned scare tactics. There will be already children suffering from malnutrition. There are 4 million kids living in poverty already. You can call this scaremongering sitting in your comfy little flat with £50 energy bills. Sure. "Seeing as you don't know our situation is probably best you don't actually comment on it, I was just saying that I do believe the statistics I quoted because they are true to me. I am very aware as I have lived in what would be considered poverty my entire life and was born into poverty and am still considered as living in poverty. Times are really hard however I don't see the point in making up figures like 325 pounds a month for a single person benefits anybody. Seeing as you have no idea what my income is you would have no idea whether I'm sitting comfortably and cosy or not. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? We are a couple and our projected energy costs are £100 a month. The vast majority of single people will not be paying £335 pounds a month for gas and electric. you haven't a clue what the vast majority of single people pay for their energy .... all you know is what you pay. Well according to the very quick research I have just done the average single person in the uk pays around £47 a month. That will go up but is nowhere near the figure you just quoted. That's the average gas bill... from 2021! No I have taken that figure from the money saving expert website from May this year. Fair enough. So the average gas bill was £47 a month in 2021 but you've found 'research' from 2022 that says the total energy bill is that same amount? Bills somehow went down despite the rises
Guess there's nothing to worry about after all.
I actually didn't say that I said that is what I had found in the research I had done. Not sure why I'm being jumped on for simply saying the vast majority of people will not be paying £325 a month as a single person. I have also said nowhere that there is nothing to worry about. I have made it very clear I think things are going to get hard I just don't think things are quite as some people are suggesting.
because you have no clue about the vast majority ... it's wild surmise based your personal experiences in life and anecdotal evidence is not fact.
but you carry on using 'the vast majority' if that sounbite makes you feel empowered.
Seeing as you put out the figure would you like to tell us what fact that is based on please.
i didn't say it was fact. i already said a couple of posts ago that it was the figure that the OP mentioned in their opening gambit if you could've been bothered to listen. the figure of £335 UC for a single person is from the government website before you kick off again."The opening post says nowhere that a single person will pay £325 a month. And nowhere have I disputed but it's going to be difficult or the amount of universal credit someone gets. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? " This confusion originated from Wealthyandhung some time back. Energy bills are NOT projected to be £325 for a single person. That figure was provided by the OP and I assume accounts for an average family but he'd have to clarify. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? This confusion originated from Wealthyandhung some time back. Energy bills are NOT projected to be £325 for a single person. That figure was provided by the OP and I assume accounts for an average family but he'd have to clarify. " actually it wasn't ... it was the op '50ShadesofFilth' by saying, and i quote ... "Huge increases on energy prices will be reducing disposable income (if you have any). £325 a month will soon be normal and expected to last at least two years." I was merely picking up on it and questioning his figure. but don't let facts get in the way of you blaming the wrong person | |||
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"Got my bills just now really surprised at how low they are this time actually think someone's made a cobbler with them tbh" Since the price rises at the start of April, it's been pretty mild weather wise and so usage on heating etc will be relatively low, though if people have cooling systems then electricity might be high. It's the next price cap review, at the start of the very expensive winter period, that will really bite hard for many, when their heating costs start piling up. | |||
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"Well Greta and co will be happy, and so will extinction rebellion. They’ve got what they wanted." Record profits for oil companies? | |||
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"Well Greta and co will be happy, and so will extinction rebellion. They’ve got what they wanted. Record profits for oil companies? " Shhh. Don't bring facts into this  | |||
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"Well Greta and co will be happy, and so will extinction rebellion. They’ve got what they wanted. Record profits for oil companies? " Well record profits for all the capitalists involved in the chain really... not just the oil companies. | |||
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"Well Greta and co will be happy, and so will extinction rebellion. They’ve got what they wanted. Record profits for oil companies? Well record profits for all the capitalists involved in the chain really... not just the oil companies." Don't bring facts into this | |||
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"Got my bills just now really surprised at how low they are this time actually think someone's made a cobbler with them tbh Since the price rises at the start of April, it's been pretty mild weather wise and so usage on heating etc will be relatively low, though if people have cooling systems then electricity might be high. It's the next price cap review, at the start of the very expensive winter period, that will really bite hard for many, when their heating costs start piling up. " Our projected bill up to December has only gone up by 300 pounds this is why I'm really surprised that everyone else's is so much more. We are meant to be on the most expensive way of paying which is prepayment so unless they have made a mistake with ours i can only go by that. When I say only, it's still a lot of extra money to find just not the kind of figures other people are quoting. | |||
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"Got my bills just now really surprised at how low they are this time actually think someone's made a cobbler with them tbh Since the price rises at the start of April, it's been pretty mild weather wise and so usage on heating etc will be relatively low, though if people have cooling systems then electricity might be high. It's the next price cap review, at the start of the very expensive winter period, that will really bite hard for many, when their heating costs start piling up. Our projected bill up to December has only gone up by 300 pounds this is why I'm really surprised that everyone else's is so much more. We are meant to be on the most expensive way of paying which is prepayment so unless they have made a mistake with ours i can only go by that. When I say only, it's still a lot of extra money to find just not the kind of figures other people are quoting. " I'm not sure how they can project costs beyond this current price cap period? The cap is due on increase in October and so presumably projected costs between October and December are completely unknown? Our actual usage this year to the last billing period is no different to any other previous year, but our DD went up over 50% for each of gas and electric. As did my Dad's. | |||
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"Got my bills just now really surprised at how low they are this time actually think someone's made a cobbler with them tbh Since the price rises at the start of April, it's been pretty mild weather wise and so usage on heating etc will be relatively low, though if people have cooling systems then electricity might be high. It's the next price cap review, at the start of the very expensive winter period, that will really bite hard for many, when their heating costs start piling up. Our projected bill up to December has only gone up by 300 pounds this is why I'm really surprised that everyone else's is so much more. We are meant to be on the most expensive way of paying which is prepayment so unless they have made a mistake with ours i can only go by that. When I say only, it's still a lot of extra money to find just not the kind of figures other people are quoting. " What is the energy efficiency of your home? (if you moved there in the past decade it should have been part of the checks in both renting and sales) if it has good insulation and windows, and newer boilers and heaters that may explain why your bills are lower than the average. | |||
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"Got my bills just now really surprised at how low they are this time actually think someone's made a cobbler with them tbh Since the price rises at the start of April, it's been pretty mild weather wise and so usage on heating etc will be relatively low, though if people have cooling systems then electricity might be high. It's the next price cap review, at the start of the very expensive winter period, that will really bite hard for many, when their heating costs start piling up. Our projected bill up to December has only gone up by 300 pounds this is why I'm really surprised that everyone else's is so much more. We are meant to be on the most expensive way of paying which is prepayment so unless they have made a mistake with ours i can only go by that. When I say only, it's still a lot of extra money to find just not the kind of figures other people are quoting. I'm not sure how they can project costs beyond this current price cap period? The cap is due on increase in October and so presumably projected costs between October and December are completely unknown? Our actual usage this year to the last billing period is no different to any other previous year, but our DD went up over 50% for each of gas and electric. As did my Dad's. " the figure I have seen is saying it is projected that the october increases will be approx 65% | |||
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"Got my bills just now really surprised at how low they are this time actually think someone's made a cobbler with them tbh Since the price rises at the start of April, it's been pretty mild weather wise and so usage on heating etc will be relatively low, though if people have cooling systems then electricity might be high. It's the next price cap review, at the start of the very expensive winter period, that will really bite hard for many, when their heating costs start piling up. Our projected bill up to December has only gone up by 300 pounds this is why I'm really surprised that everyone else's is so much more. We are meant to be on the most expensive way of paying which is prepayment so unless they have made a mistake with ours i can only go by that. When I say only, it's still a lot of extra money to find just not the kind of figures other people are quoting. I'm not sure how they can project costs beyond this current price cap period? The cap is due on increase in October and so presumably projected costs between October and December are completely unknown? Our actual usage this year to the last billing period is no different to any other previous year, but our DD went up over 50% for each of gas and electric. As did my Dad's. " Not sure but that's the letter we got in the post 3 days ago. | |||
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"One benefit of living in a post war block of flats is that if the flat below me has their heating on, I don't have to spend as much heating mine. So my big plan for the winter is to hope they can afford their bill." That works for me too | |||
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"Sounds like this thread should be in the politics section... It took a hard line prime minister to sort big business out 44years ago. It took 6years for them rain in big business, unions and turn the the inflation and interest rates. Everybody hated them for it!!! Funny that... 40years of hassbeans prime ministers later and we find ourselves back whether it started another winter of discontent coming!!!!! Scottish can't be blamed for this fuck up. That's all on 70 million southerners that continually voted for the tripe that is Tory or Labour (both as bad as each other) And what makes it even funnier. Is that that 70 million haven't got a clue about what's going... it's hilarious to watch.... Rant over. Normal serve will resume shortly...
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"Wait until the power companies go to the wall as MILLIONS of people can't pay bills. Then the fun will start. Or will Johnson's successor change the law to allow disconnections without a court order. " The Tories will just bail them out and make us pay for that and our bills | |||
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"Sounds like this thread should be in the politics section... It took a hard line prime minister to sort big business out 44years ago. It took 6years for them rain in big business, unions and turn the the inflation and interest rates. Everybody hated them for it!!! Funny that... 40years of hassbeans prime ministers later and we find ourselves back whether it started another winter of discontent coming!!!!! Scottish can't be blamed for this fuck up. That's all on 70 million southerners that continually voted for the tripe that is Tory or Labour (both as bad as each other) And what makes it even funnier. Is that that 70 million haven't got a clue about what's going... it's hilarious to watch.... Rant over. Normal serve will resume shortly...
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My only issue with what you said really is that there aren't even 70 million people in the UK (currently 67.22m) let alone England...
I have also never voted Tory."Splitting hairs aren't we.. When has Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland ever had a say in the running of the UK. Never... The majority share of MPs are in England. Whole thing is a sham... | |||
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"Sounds like this thread should be in the politics section... It took a hard line prime minister to sort big business out 44years ago. It took 6years for them rain in big business, unions and turn the the inflation and interest rates. Everybody hated them for it!!! Funny that... 40years of hassbeans prime ministers later and we find ourselves back whether it started another winter of discontent coming!!!!! Scottish can't be blamed for this fuck up. That's all on 70 million southerners that continually voted for the tripe that is Tory or Labour (both as bad as each other) And what makes it even funnier. Is that that 70 million haven't got a clue about what's going... it's hilarious to watch.... Rant over. Normal serve will resume shortly...
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My only issue with what you said really is that there aren't even 70 million people in the UK (currently 67.22m) let alone England...
I have also never voted Tory.
Splitting hairs aren't we..
When has Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland ever had a say in the running of the UK. Never...
The majority share of MPs are in England.
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"Sounds like this thread should be in the politics section... It took a hard line prime minister to sort big business out 44years ago. It took 6years for them rain in big business, unions and turn the the inflation and interest rates. Everybody hated them for it!!! Funny that... 40years of hassbeans prime ministers later and we find ourselves back whether it started another winter of discontent coming!!!!! Scottish can't be blamed for this fuck up. That's all on 70 million southerners that continually voted for the tripe that is Tory or Labour (both as bad as each other) And what makes it even funnier. Is that that 70 million haven't got a clue about what's going... it's hilarious to watch.... Rant over. Normal serve will resume shortly...
Ps looking forward to losing more followers. Let the blocking commence "This has absolutely f@ck to do with regional politics. We’re going through global change to alter the entire demograph of energy usage( fossil fuel) I was sceptical initially, whether it was man made or natural…. But I assure you, that for the existence of mankind, the bit of Oil that is left…is needed for the chemical, pharmaceutical, military, polymer production etc . But we just waste it on vehicle propulsion and heating homes. Massive change is upon us  | |||
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"Sounds like this thread should be in the politics section... It took a hard line prime minister to sort big business out 44years ago. It took 6years for them rain in big business, unions and turn the the inflation and interest rates. Everybody hated them for it!!! Funny that... 40years of hassbeans prime ministers later and we find ourselves back whether it started another winter of discontent coming!!!!! Scottish can't be blamed for this fuck up. That's all on 70 million southerners that continually voted for the tripe that is Tory or Labour (both as bad as each other) And what makes it even funnier. Is that that 70 million haven't got a clue about what's going... it's hilarious to watch.... Rant over. Normal serve will resume shortly...
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My only issue with what you said really is that there aren't even 70 million people in the UK (currently 67.22m) let alone England...
I have also never voted Tory.
Splitting hairs aren't we..
When has Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland ever had a say in the running of the UK. Never...
The majority share of MPs are in England.
Whole thing is a sham...
I don't disagree I am all for PR to replace FPTP. We would never see a Tory controlled government again."Never going to happen.. There's a reason why the Scots tried to leave the UK... not because of the neighbours, but because of the way they are treated by those who rule them.. | |||
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"posted from a website (dontpay dot uk) The Plan: It's simple: we are demanding a reduction of energy bills to an affordable level. Our leverage is that we will gather a million people to pledge not to pay if the government goes ahead with another massive hike on October 1st. Mass non-payment is not a new idea, it happened in the UK in the late 80s and 90s, when more than 17 million people refused to pay the Poll Tax – helping bring down the government and reversing its harshest measures. there is a load more there, more specifics and resources, worth a look. Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though" People just prefer to write angry posts on Facebook now. The government must absolutely love social media and how it subdues the masses. | |||
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"Never going to happen.. There's a reason why the Scots tried to leave the UK... not because of the neighbours, but because of the way they are treated by those who rule them.." I agree it is unlikely, but I wouldn't go as far as never. I also think you should get your second referendum, cos you were lied to about the EU in the first one. Also I want to find some sort of scottish lineage for citizenship if that does happen! | |||
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"Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though People just prefer to write angry posts on Facebook now. The government must absolutely love social media and how it subdues the masses. " cancelling direct debits and putting the equivalent amount in an account ready for bill paying time would be effective direct action. if people refused to act as a merchant bank for the energy companies it would send a very strong message very quickly .... but i suspect you're right and they will instead start a thread on a sex dating site or similar social media and continue to do little else about it | |||
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"How do your bills work in The UK In Ireland i get a bill based on usage and pay it Is there a maximum amount you have to pay in The UK " There are three main ways it works, all of them are based on a per KWh price range. 1) paid monthly in full by whatever means 2) an estimate of the full years cost is figured out and then that is paid monthly so it doesn't fluctuate (good for people on tight budgets) 3) pre-payment meters I imagine it is the same for you but obviously cannot be certain | |||
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"Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though People just prefer to write angry posts on Facebook now. The government must absolutely love social media and how it subdues the masses. cancelling direct debits and putting the equivalent amount in an account ready for bill paying time would be effective direct action. if people refused to act as a merchant bank for the energy companies it would send a very strong message very quickly .... but i suspect you're right and they will instead start a thread on a sex dating site or similar social media and continue to do little else about it" This is what I was thinking people should do. and if it does get past the point a person is willing to push for whatever reason then they can pay and bow out of the collective action. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? This confusion originated from Wealthyandhung some time back. Energy bills are NOT projected to be £325 for a single person. That figure was provided by the OP and I assume accounts for an average family but he'd have to clarify. actually it wasn't ... it was the op '50ShadesofFilth' by saying, and i quote ... "Huge increases on energy prices will be reducing disposable income (if you have any). £325 a month will soon be normal and expected to last at least two years." I was merely picking up on it and questioning his figure. but don't let facts get in the way of you blaming the wrong person "Can't see from my wording that I blamed you for anything. I simply noted that it was your comment that then led to more.... discussion. And it was your comment that was quoted, not the other one. I wasn't attacking you, so not sure why you're hostile. | |||
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"Collective Action, not sure how viable it is though People just prefer to write angry posts on Facebook now. The government must absolutely love social media and how it subdues the masses. cancelling direct debits and putting the equivalent amount in an account ready for bill paying time would be effective direct action. if people refused to act as a merchant bank for the energy companies it would send a very strong message very quickly .... but i suspect you're right and they will instead start a thread on a sex dating site or similar social media and continue to do little else about it This is what I was thinking people should do. and if it does get past the point a person is willing to push for whatever reason then they can pay and bow out of the collective action." just to be clear i'm not advocating non-payment. the direct debits are extremely high as the companies claim it smooths out over the year, however the goal posts keep moving and the direct debit amount keeps rising which is akin to the energy companies being given licence to print their own money. pay for what you've used and not some fantasy figure dreamt up by the provider. | |||
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"Got my bills just now really surprised at how low they are this time actually think someone's made a cobbler with them tbh Since the price rises at the start of April, it's been pretty mild weather wise and so usage on heating etc will be relatively low, though if people have cooling systems then electricity might be high. It's the next price cap review, at the start of the very expensive winter period, that will really bite hard for many, when their heating costs start piling up. Our projected bill up to December has only gone up by 300 pounds this is why I'm really surprised that everyone else's is so much more. We are meant to be on the most expensive way of paying which is prepayment so unless they have made a mistake with ours i can only go by that. When I say only, it's still a lot of extra money to find just not the kind of figures other people are quoting. What is the energy efficiency of your home? (if you moved there in the past decade it should have been part of the checks in both renting and sales) if it has good insulation and windows, and newer boilers and heaters that may explain why your bills are lower than the average." Great question, no idea of the answer though. I have had more loft insulation put in, new radiators in certain rooms and a new boiler in the 9 years I have lived here though. | |||
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"so a single person on UC will get £335 a month .... and gas/electric is projected to be £325 per month .... how much food, clothes etc does £10 a month buy? This confusion originated from Wealthyandhung some time back. Energy bills are NOT projected to be £325 for a single person. That figure was provided by the OP and I assume accounts for an average family but he'd have to clarify. actually it wasn't ... it was the op '50ShadesofFilth' by saying, and i quote ... "Huge increases on energy prices will be reducing disposable income (if you have any). £325 a month will soon be normal and expected to last at least two years." I was merely picking up on it and questioning his figure. but don't let facts get in the way of you blaming the wrong person
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"Everything you mentioned can be took on loan or saved for months appon months at like a £10 a month You find 98% off those car will be hpv at like £100 a month you can get a bring new 70k bmw for £160 a month The problem is electric company dose not do loans they want they money upfront So people on lower incomes can’t substitute Take those figers and then find who payed for them out right upfront You find less than 2% " You cannot get a 70k car for 160/month. Vehicles typically lose around 30 - 40% of their value in the first 3/4 years, any payment plan needs to cover this depreciation plus interest. Mr | |||
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"When I used to pay by direct debit I was always in credit in the summer and debt in the Winter and it almost always balanced itself out. If people stop paying direct debits and put that money aside and just pay the bill a lot of people may find they have a short fall. " not if they put the equivalent amount away they won't. if they just spend it then yes. | |||
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"How do your bills work in The UK In Ireland i get a bill based on usage and pay it Is there a maximum amount you have to pay in The UK There are three main ways it works, all of them are based on a per KWh price range. 1) paid monthly in full by whatever means 2) an estimate of the full years cost is figured out and then that is paid monthly so it doesn't fluctuate (good for people on tight budgets) 3) pre-payment meters I imagine it is the same for you but obviously cannot be certain" No same over here....so the headline figure of 3850 is an average household per year | |||
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"How do your bills work in The UK In Ireland i get a bill based on usage and pay it Is there a maximum amount you have to pay in The UK There are three main ways it works, all of them are based on a per KWh price range. 1) paid monthly in full by whatever means 2) an estimate of the full years cost is figured out and then that is paid monthly so it doesn't fluctuate (good for people on tight budgets) 3) pre-payment meters I imagine it is the same for you but obviously cannot be certain No same over here....so the headline figure of 3850 is an average household per year " £3252.15 is the number I found when I looked into it but they are close enough that its prolly somewhere in that ballpark yeah | |||
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"Make all suppliers who claim any percentage of renewable energies to charge the price (some studies show about half the cost) of fossil fuels powered electricity and not hide behind the national grid excuse. Don't let them benefit from prices well above their production costs as well as their added marketing benefit of being able to claim to be green. " the spanish government decoupled renewables from fossil fuels in february and reduced bills by 25% at a stroke .... members of our government are heavily invested in fossil fuels at personal level and don't want their dividends to be affected, so they won't entertain the idea | |||
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"Make all suppliers who claim any percentage of renewable energies to charge the price (some studies show about half the cost) of fossil fuels powered electricity and not hide behind the national grid excuse. Don't let them benefit from prices well above their production costs as well as their added marketing benefit of being able to claim to be green. the spanish government decoupled renewables from fossil fuels in february and reduced bills by 25% at a stroke .... members of our government are heavily invested in fossil fuels at personal level and don't want their dividends to be affected, so they won't entertain the idea" It's no surprise. I worked for a large healthcare insurance company who until who until around 5/10 years ago still had billions invested in tabacco companies. | |||
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"Well Greta and co will be happy, and so will extinction rebellion. They’ve got what they wanted. Record profits for oil companies? Well record profits for all the capitalists involved in the chain really... not just the oil companies. Don't bring facts into this "Nah, I meant we will all be using less gas and oil. That’s what they wanted isn’t it? | |||
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"Well Greta and co will be happy, and so will extinction rebellion. They’ve got what they wanted. Record profits for oil companies? Well record profits for all the capitalists involved in the chain really... not just the oil companies. Don't bring facts into this
Nah, I meant we will all be using less gas and oil.
That’s what they wanted isn’t it?"I dunno how much less. How much gets used that isn't a requirement of day to day life? I would imagine the lions share comes from industry and that's not going to slow down, they just past the cost on to us. | |||
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"For those who have their energy from renewable sources presumably their energy is almost free? " Yep.. Direct Debit is £65/month, fixed until 2024. Currently upgrading Hot Water to tank heated by solar, 5,400kwh gas in last 12 month which aim to reduce to 1,200kwh. Electricity import is around 800kw for the year. Upgrading from 5.4 to 8.9kwh to allow surplus to charge a car.. Best decision I ever took. £750 was expected bill this year, take £550 off that from Government, so around £200 for this 12 months. Upgrading to mitigate future rises when contracts run out in '24. Heating by Air Conditioners during Autism to Spring. | |||
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"Well Greta and co will be happy, and so will extinction rebellion. They’ve got what they wanted. Record profits for oil companies? Well record profits for all the capitalists involved in the chain really... not just the oil companies. Don't bring facts into this
Nah, I meant we will all be using less gas and oil.
That’s what they wanted isn’t it?
I dunno how much less. How much gets used that isn't a requirement of day to day life?
I would imagine the lions share comes from industry and that's not going to slow down, they just past the cost on to us."Not If people are skint. As the old saying goes, you can’t get blood put of a stone. | |||
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