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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Reports that The Range shop was selling games to motivate women to lose weight before their wedding and to lose weight for the beach.
For every pound of weight lost the slimmer puts a pound coin in a slot and then are rewarded with the bounty on reaching the target weight. A shopper asked if there was a male version and when the Range realised there was not then they pulled the product.
Is this sexism, female body shaming or a fun game. Would it have been ok if there was a male version of the game?
It's all over the news... |
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Shops advertise differently to men and women
Maybe they thought there wasn’t a market for a mens version
Is encouragement now fat shaming?
No one is forcing anyone to lose weight, or buy the product |
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over a year ago
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"Loads of women try to lose weight for weddings and holidays so anyone offering to help can only be good."
I agree, and if somebody is happy with their body, kudos to them.
For those who want to improve, any extra incentive is good!
There’s nothing wrong with self improvement and wanting to look better. (As long as it doesn’t become an unhealthy obsession) |
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By *elkieWoman
over a year ago
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"Loads of women try to lose weight for weddings and holidays so anyone offering to help can only be good.
I agree, and if somebody is happy with their body, kudos to them.
For those who want to improve, any extra incentive is good!
There’s nothing wrong with self improvement and wanting to look better. (As long as it doesn’t become an unhealthy obsession)"
Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Loads of women try to lose weight for weddings and holidays so anyone offering to help can only be good.
I agree, and if somebody is happy with their body, kudos to them.
For those who want to improve, any extra incentive is good!
There’s nothing wrong with self improvement and wanting to look better. (As long as it doesn’t become an unhealthy obsession)
Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer. "
It was in any way, shape or form. I could have said bulkier, or more toned. Not necessarily slimmer…
Also, people define own improvement as they see fit I think  |
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"Loads of women try to lose weight for weddings and holidays so anyone offering to help can only be good.
I agree, and if somebody is happy with their body, kudos to them.
For those who want to improve, any extra incentive is good!
There’s nothing wrong with self improvement and wanting to look better. (As long as it doesn’t become an unhealthy obsession)
Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer. "
Self improvement is a term personal to yourself. If getting slimmer is the goal, then being slimmer is a self improvement |
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This is an incentive that women have been using for many years in weight loss groups, and these kind of things have been available from online sellers for years. In my experience of weight loss groups (and it's been extensive!) men are motivated differently, so are generally less likely to be interested in this kind of product.
I don't see that The Range have done anything wrong in finally bringing this into the mainstream, though they maybe got the marketing a tad wrong here. |
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over a year ago
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"Loads of women try to lose weight for weddings and holidays so anyone offering to help can only be good.
I agree, and if somebody is happy with their body, kudos to them.
For those who want to improve, any extra incentive is good!
There’s nothing wrong with self improvement and wanting to look better. (As long as it doesn’t become an unhealthy obsession)
Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Self improvement is a term personal to yourself. If getting slimmer is the goal, then being slimmer is a self improvement "
Thank you exactly what I meant  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is an incentive that women have been using for many years in weight loss groups, and these kind of things have been available from online sellers for years. In my experience of weight loss groups (and it's been extensive!) men are motivated differently, so are generally less likely to be interested in this kind of product.
I don't see that The Range have done anything wrong in finally bringing this into the mainstream, though they maybe got the marketing a tad wrong here."
I’m gonna be super sexist but u hear that joke
“If he’s married and he’s starting to really hit the gym, he probably has a young mistress”
That’s the motivator right there
I’m kidding btw! Guys, don’t come for my guts please |
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"This is an incentive that women have been using for many years in weight loss groups, and these kind of things have been available from online sellers for years. In my experience of weight loss groups (and it's been extensive!) men are motivated differently, so are generally less likely to be interested in this kind of product.
I don't see that The Range have done anything wrong in finally bringing this into the mainstream, though they maybe got the marketing a tad wrong here.
I’m gonna be super sexist but u hear that joke
“If he’s married and he’s starting to really hit the gym, he probably has a young mistress”
That’s the motivator right there
I’m kidding btw! Guys, don’t come for my guts please "
Your absolutely right though. Same thing when after 10 years in marriage she suddenly starts hitting the gym. Someone’s looking to upgrade |
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"This is an incentive that women have been using for many years in weight loss groups, and these kind of things have been available from online sellers for years. In my experience of weight loss groups (and it's been extensive!) men are motivated differently, so are generally less likely to be interested in this kind of product.
I don't see that The Range have done anything wrong in finally bringing this into the mainstream, though they maybe got the marketing a tad wrong here.
I’m gonna be super sexist but u hear that joke
“If he’s married and he’s starting to really hit the gym, he probably has a young mistress”
That’s the motivator right there
I’m kidding btw! Guys, don’t come for my guts please
Your absolutely right though. Same thing when after 10 years in marriage she suddenly starts hitting the gym. Someone’s looking to upgrade "
Definitely getting banged by the super hot PT or tennis coach 
I mean… kinda goals (tho I’ve had my fair share of pts ) |
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"Loads of women try to lose weight for weddings and holidays so anyone offering to help can only be good."
Was thinking this too but the fact there wasn't a similar version for the groom does highlight that the emphasis is more often on the female half of a couple. |
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I think that some campaigners don't understand human nature. Can society, marketing media etc affect what we think of as attractive? Sure it can. Can removing this take away the human drive to judge the looks of others, for people to attempt to meet whatever social construct of good looking exists at that time? No, of course not. The entire natural world is full of examples of the strangest animal behaviours all done in order to attract a mate and we are no different.
We may not like it, we may claim that we only dress a certain way or work out a much as we do because we want to do it for ourselves but this is just a superficial explanation. The reason we feel good when we dress nice, have a good work out etc is that evolution has ensured we have a drive to do the things that are most likely to lead to reproduction - why else would we evolve to feel good about making an effort with our clothes? Granted the modern world has given us far more in the way of choice to express ourselves but the drive to do so existed long before sewing machines and gyms. We are no more going to stop an urge to look "better" in humans than we are going to stop a bird of paradise performing the strangest dance routines imaginable or bighorn sheep headbutting each other.
We only have ourselves to blame for the situation as two evolutionary drives have collided thanks to modern life. The drive to appear attractive in order to mate is on one side and the drive to enjoy high calorie foods full of fat and sugar is in the other. When we first evolved you couldn't pop into a Tesco and pick up enough calories to get through the day in a single bag so these two drives were in balance. Now they aren't and any number of people moaning about it isn't going to change our biology.
Also, the idea that it's only women that have to put up with this is nonsense. Men have equal amounts of competition to find a mate so it seems highly unlikely that a society would evolve where there was no competition or penalty for those less well suited. For a long time, products aimed at looks have been marketed to women and those for status/fitness at men. The gap is closing but still exists. For every bikini body weight loss product there will be a get abs/pecs/biceps product aimed at men but no one bats an eyelid at these. For some reason, encouraging men to be toned is good for their health, encouraging women to do it is body shaming
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It may not be shaming but it's a bit 
How the heck does a bit of tat encourage you to loose weight? It's just another company trying to make money out of people trying to loose weight. And you put your own quid in the future landfill tat, so it's hardly helpful. I can imagine some well meaning gran buying it for the granddaughter before her wedding. It's not really going to help to put them in the right frame of mind to loose weight. You wouldn't have an equivalent for someone who needed to put weight on in the shops.
As someone who is loosing weight, encouragement looks like "fancy joining my dance class?" |
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"Loads of women try to lose weight for weddings and holidays so anyone offering to help can only be good.
Was thinking this too but the fact there wasn't a similar version for the groom does highlight that the emphasis is more often on the female half of a couple."
Let’s be honest tho, I find that it’s partly because it’s dictated by a standard built by women, to look a certain way. I find that the worst critics have been women (on both what we decide to wear and also body presentation)
But then again I was in the fashion industry which was dominated by women who love criticising so, maybe my view is biased
Yes there’s also pressure from men (society in general), but it seems to be somehow different views |
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"I think that some campaigners don't understand human nature. Can society, marketing media etc affect what we think of as attractive? Sure it can. Can removing this take away the human drive to judge the looks of others, for people to attempt to meet whatever social construct of good looking exists at that time? No, of course not. The entire natural world is full of examples of the strangest animal behaviours all done in order to attract a mate and we are no different.
We may not like it, we may claim that we only dress a certain way or work out a much as we do because we want to do it for ourselves but this is just a superficial explanation. The reason we feel good when we dress nice, have a good work out etc is that evolution has ensured we have a drive to do the things that are most likely to lead to reproduction - why else would we evolve to feel good about making an effort with our clothes? Granted the modern world has given us far more in the way of choice to express ourselves but the drive to do so existed long before sewing machines and gyms. We are no more going to stop an urge to look "better" in humans than we are going to stop a bird of paradise performing the strangest dance routines imaginable or bighorn sheep headbutting each other.
We only have ourselves to blame for the situation as two evolutionary drives have collided thanks to modern life. The drive to appear attractive in order to mate is on one side and the drive to enjoy high calorie foods full of fat and sugar is in the other. When we first evolved you couldn't pop into a Tesco and pick up enough calories to get through the day in a single bag so these two drives were in balance. Now they aren't and any number of people moaning about it isn't going to change our biology.
Also, the idea that it's only women that have to put up with this is nonsense. Men have equal amounts of competition to find a mate so it seems highly unlikely that a society would evolve where there was no competition or penalty for those less well suited. For a long time, products aimed at looks have been marketed to women and those for status/fitness at men. The gap is closing but still exists. For every bikini body weight loss product there will be a get abs/pecs/biceps product aimed at men but no one bats an eyelid at these. For some reason, encouraging men to be toned is good for their health, encouraging women to do it is body shaming
Mr"
And to add onto this, men still aren’t part of the body positivity movement
Models are all ripped, no plus sized guys
Fat guts in movies are shears portrayed as disgusting goofy slobs. While all the good guys have chiselled jaws and rippling pecs.
We said it was an unrealistic standard to have stunning slim women in movies, yet every superhero movie is full of male actors taking steroids and dehydrating themselves to look an inhuman as possible
Let’s all just chill |
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And men do use this concept too. My uncle for example used a jam jar to collect money he didn't spend on cigarettes. He then used the money to go on holiday.
Just looked at the range thingy, reckon it holds £20 ish hardly an incentive  |
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"I think that some campaigners don't understand human nature. Can society, marketing media etc affect what we think of as attractive? Sure it can. Can removing this take away the human drive to judge the looks of others, for people to attempt to meet whatever social construct of good looking exists at that time? No, of course not. The entire natural world is full of examples of the strangest animal behaviours all done in order to attract a mate and we are no different.
We may not like it, we may claim that we only dress a certain way or work out a much as we do because we want to do it for ourselves but this is just a superficial explanation. The reason we feel good when we dress nice, have a good work out etc is that evolution has ensured we have a drive to do the things that are most likely to lead to reproduction - why else would we evolve to feel good about making an effort with our clothes? Granted the modern world has given us far more in the way of choice to express ourselves but the drive to do so existed long before sewing machines and gyms. We are no more going to stop an urge to look "better" in humans than we are going to stop a bird of paradise performing the strangest dance routines imaginable or bighorn sheep headbutting each other.
We only have ourselves to blame for the situation as two evolutionary drives have collided thanks to modern life. The drive to appear attractive in order to mate is on one side and the drive to enjoy high calorie foods full of fat and sugar is in the other. When we first evolved you couldn't pop into a Tesco and pick up enough calories to get through the day in a single bag so these two drives were in balance. Now they aren't and any number of people moaning about it isn't going to change our biology.
Also, the idea that it's only women that have to put up with this is nonsense. Men have equal amounts of competition to find a mate so it seems highly unlikely that a society would evolve where there was no competition or penalty for those less well suited. For a long time, products aimed at looks have been marketed to women and those for status/fitness at men. The gap is closing but still exists. For every bikini body weight loss product there will be a get abs/pecs/biceps product aimed at men but no one bats an eyelid at these.
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***For some reason, encouraging men to be toned is good for their health, encouraging women to do it is body shaming***
Mr"
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"I think that some campaigners don't understand human nature. Can society, marketing media etc affect what we think of as attractive? Sure it can. Can removing this take away the human drive to judge the looks of others, for people to attempt to meet whatever social construct of good looking exists at that time? No, of course not. The entire natural world is full of examples of the strangest animal behaviours all done in order to attract a mate and we are no different.
We may not like it, we may claim that we only dress a certain way or work out a much as we do because we want to do it for ourselves but this is just a superficial explanation. The reason we feel good when we dress nice, have a good work out etc is that evolution has ensured we have a drive to do the things that are most likely to lead to reproduction - why else would we evolve to feel good about making an effort with our clothes? Granted the modern world has given us far more in the way of choice to express ourselves but the drive to do so existed long before sewing machines and gyms. We are no more going to stop an urge to look "better" in humans than we are going to stop a bird of paradise performing the strangest dance routines imaginable or bighorn sheep headbutting each other.
We only have ourselves to blame for the situation as two evolutionary drives have collided thanks to modern life. The drive to appear attractive in order to mate is on one side and the drive to enjoy high calorie foods full of fat and sugar is in the other. When we first evolved you couldn't pop into a Tesco and pick up enough calories to get through the day in a single bag so these two drives were in balance. Now they aren't and any number of people moaning about it isn't going to change our biology.
Also, the idea that it's only women that have to put up with this is nonsense. Men have equal amounts of competition to find a mate so it seems highly unlikely that a society would evolve where there was no competition or penalty for those less well suited. For a long time, products aimed at looks have been marketed to women and those for status/fitness at men. The gap is closing but still exists. For every bikini body weight loss product there will be a get abs/pecs/biceps product aimed at men but no one bats an eyelid at these.
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***For some reason, encouraging men to be toned is good for their health, encouraging women to do it is body shaming***
Mr
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Perhaps that because men are encouraged to do so to become fitter/stronger etc where as for women it's often to become more attractive or sexually desired. |
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"For a long time, products aimed at looks have been marketed to women and those for status/fitness at men. The gap is closing but still exists. For every bikini body weight loss product there will be a get abs/pecs/biceps product aimed at men but no one bats an eyelid at these. For some reason, encouraging men to be toned is good for their health, encouraging women to do it is body shaming
Mr"
I agree the gap between the genders is narrowing. I don't object to being encouraged to loose weight for health benefits. What I object to is that I need to loose weight to wear a bikini as if it only should be worn by a certain size.
And I think the covers of magazines such as men's health are totally wrong. But there are men now being body positive. Talking in general now, look up James Smith PT, he talks a lot of sense and is body positive for both genders. E.g. He shows his stretch marks etc something I don't see many men do. |
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By *elkieWoman
over a year ago
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If you look at the abuse Jason Momoa got when pictures were posted of him going about everyday life with his top off, when everyone is used to seeing his body “cut” with visible muscles for movies, men absolutely get body shamed.
I’d strongly disagree that it is women who put this expectation of weight loss on ourselves. The diet industry globally is worth $250 billion and they market more heavily to women than men. I think men feel equal amounts of stigma personally but they get fewer messages on a societal level telling them what they should look like? |
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"If you look at the abuse Jason Momoa got when pictures were posted of him going about everyday life with his top off, when everyone is used to seeing his body “cut” with visible muscles for movies, men absolutely get body shamed.
I’d strongly disagree that it is women who put this expectation of weight loss on ourselves. The diet industry globally is worth $250 billion and they market more heavily to women than men. I think men feel equal amounts of stigma personally but they get fewer messages on a societal level telling them what they should look like? "
This is why the use of steroids among the under 30's male population is higher than illegal drxgs.
Guys feel pressure to look a certain way, particularly with shows like love island and so on showing all the guy's as muscled up six packed hunks. |
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"I think that some campaigners don't understand human nature. Can society, marketing media etc affect what we think of as attractive? Sure it can. Can removing this take away the human drive to judge the looks of others, for people to attempt to meet whatever social construct of good looking exists at that time? No, of course not. The entire natural world is full of examples of the strangest animal behaviours all done in order to attract a mate and we are no different.
We may not like it, we may claim that we only dress a certain way or work out a much as we do because we want to do it for ourselves but this is just a superficial explanation. The reason we feel good when we dress nice, have a good work out etc is that evolution has ensured we have a drive to do the things that are most likely to lead to reproduction - why else would we evolve to feel good about making an effort with our clothes? Granted the modern world has given us far more in the way of choice to express ourselves but the drive to do so existed long before sewing machines and gyms. We are no more going to stop an urge to look "better" in humans than we are going to stop a bird of paradise performing the strangest dance routines imaginable or bighorn sheep headbutting each other.
We only have ourselves to blame for the situation as two evolutionary drives have collided thanks to modern life. The drive to appear attractive in order to mate is on one side and the drive to enjoy high calorie foods full of fat and sugar is in the other. When we first evolved you couldn't pop into a Tesco and pick up enough calories to get through the day in a single bag so these two drives were in balance. Now they aren't and any number of people moaning about it isn't going to change our biology.
Also, the idea that it's only women that have to put up with this is nonsense. Men have equal amounts of competition to find a mate so it seems highly unlikely that a society would evolve where there was no competition or penalty for those less well suited. For a long time, products aimed at looks have been marketed to women and those for status/fitness at men. The gap is closing but still exists. For every bikini body weight loss product there will be a get abs/pecs/biceps product aimed at men but no one bats an eyelid at these.
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***For some reason, encouraging men to be toned is good for their health, encouraging women to do it is body shaming***
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Perhaps that because men are encouraged to do so to become fitter/stronger etc where as for women it's often to become more attractive or sexually desired. "
Women only have 2 uses. Housework and fucking.
Men have it much harder.  |
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"Loads of women try to lose weight for weddings and holidays so anyone offering to help can only be good."
However it also puts a lot of pressure on people. Almost all of the wedding groups I was in on Facebook and other sites Don't allow any promotion Of things to lose weight Or cosmetic procedures. |
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid."
You can support people without shaming them and that is something many don't understand. |
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"I think that some campaigners don't understand human nature. Can society, marketing media etc affect what we think of as attractive? Sure it can. Can removing this take away the human drive to judge the looks of others, for people to attempt to meet whatever social construct of good looking exists at that time? No, of course not. The entire natural world is full of examples of the strangest animal behaviours all done in order to attract a mate and we are no different.
We may not like it, we may claim that we only dress a certain way or work out a much as we do because we want to do it for ourselves but this is just a superficial explanation. The reason we feel good when we dress nice, have a good work out etc is that evolution has ensured we have a drive to do the things that are most likely to lead to reproduction - why else would we evolve to feel good about making an effort with our clothes? Granted the modern world has given us far more in the way of choice to express ourselves but the drive to do so existed long before sewing machines and gyms. We are no more going to stop an urge to look "better" in humans than we are going to stop a bird of paradise performing the strangest dance routines imaginable or bighorn sheep headbutting each other.
We only have ourselves to blame for the situation as two evolutionary drives have collided thanks to modern life. The drive to appear attractive in order to mate is on one side and the drive to enjoy high calorie foods full of fat and sugar is in the other. When we first evolved you couldn't pop into a Tesco and pick up enough calories to get through the day in a single bag so these two drives were in balance. Now they aren't and any number of people moaning about it isn't going to change our biology.
Also, the idea that it's only women that have to put up with this is nonsense. Men have equal amounts of competition to find a mate so it seems highly unlikely that a society would evolve where there was no competition or penalty for those less well suited. For a long time, products aimed at looks have been marketed to women and those for status/fitness at men. The gap is closing but still exists. For every bikini body weight loss product there will be a get abs/pecs/biceps product aimed at men but no one bats an eyelid at these.
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***For some reason, encouraging men to be toned is good for their health, encouraging women to do it is body shaming***
Mr
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Perhaps that because men are encouraged to do so to become fitter/stronger etc where as for women it's often to become more attractive or sexually desired.
Women only have 2 uses. Housework and fucking.
Men have it much harder. "
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid."
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy. |
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy."
This is very true. Your chances of starving are much lower the fatter you are. |
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy.
This is very true. Your chances of starving are much lower the fatter you are. "
Not true |
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"I think that some campaigners don't understand human nature. Can society, marketing media etc affect what we think of as attractive? Sure it can. Can removing this take away the human drive to judge the looks of others, for people to attempt to meet whatever social construct of good looking exists at that time? No, of course not. The entire natural world is full of examples of the strangest animal behaviours all done in order to attract a mate and we are no different.
We may not like it, we may claim that we only dress a certain way or work out a much as we do because we want to do it for ourselves but this is just a superficial explanation. The reason we feel good when we dress nice, have a good work out etc is that evolution has ensured we have a drive to do the things that are most likely to lead to reproduction - why else would we evolve to feel good about making an effort with our clothes? Granted the modern world has given us far more in the way of choice to express ourselves but the drive to do so existed long before sewing machines and gyms. We are no more going to stop an urge to look "better" in humans than we are going to stop a bird of paradise performing the strangest dance routines imaginable or bighorn sheep headbutting each other.
We only have ourselves to blame for the situation as two evolutionary drives have collided thanks to modern life. The drive to appear attractive in order to mate is on one side and the drive to enjoy high calorie foods full of fat and sugar is in the other. When we first evolved you couldn't pop into a Tesco and pick up enough calories to get through the day in a single bag so these two drives were in balance. Now they aren't and any number of people moaning about it isn't going to change our biology.
Also, the idea that it's only women that have to put up with this is nonsense. Men have equal amounts of competition to find a mate so it seems highly unlikely that a society would evolve where there was no competition or penalty for those less well suited. For a long time, products aimed at looks have been marketed to women and those for status/fitness at men. The gap is closing but still exists. For every bikini body weight loss product there will be a get abs/pecs/biceps product aimed at men but no one bats an eyelid at these.
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***For some reason, encouraging men to be toned is good for their health, encouraging women to do it is body shaming***
Mr
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Perhaps that because men are encouraged to do so to become fitter/stronger etc where as for women it's often to become more attractive or sexually desired.
Women only have 2 uses. Housework and fucking.
Men have it much harder.
You forgot the flower boarders in the garden, I’d expect them to maintain those as well "
All included in 'Housework - 101 ways to be a good wife'.  |
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy.
This is very true. Your chances of starving are much lower the fatter you are.
Not true"
Is it not? I was almost certain being obese was a cure for starvation |
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"Loads of women try to lose weight for weddings and holidays so anyone offering to help can only be good.
I agree, and if somebody is happy with their body, kudos to them.
For those who want to improve, any extra incentive is good!
There’s nothing wrong with self improvement and wanting to look better. (As long as it doesn’t become an unhealthy obsession)
Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer. "
Yes agreed! My diabetic nurse said to me u are carrying extra weight or somthing like that! When I was prescribed trulicity and I'm sure u would do to loose some of it this will help with that! I said ty but I am happy with my weight! I honestly do not want to loose any weight at all x |
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy.
This is very true. Your chances of starving are much lower the fatter you are.
Not true
Is it not? I was almost certain being obese was a cure for starvation "
Obese people can die from starvation just as easily as thin people...
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy.
This is very true. Your chances of starving are much lower the fatter you are.
Not true
Is it not? I was almost certain being obese was a cure for starvation
Obese people can die from starvation just as easily as thin people...
I guess it is possible you are trying to be funny and just failing."
Genuinely didn’t know that. Never heard of it before, could you link anywhere where it’s happened? Especially “just as easily” ? |
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy.
This is very true. Your chances of starving are much lower the fatter you are.
Not true
Is it not? I was almost certain being obese was a cure for starvation
Obese people can die from starvation just as easily as thin people...
I guess it is possible you are trying to be funny and just failing.
Genuinely didn’t know that. Never heard of it before, could you link anywhere where it’s happened? Especially “just as easily” ? "
A quick google and what do you know, you can still be obese and starve to death. I’ve learned something today
I can’t help but think how weird it would be to find someone seriously obese and learning they died of starvation. What an oxymoron of a situation.
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy.
This is very true. Your chances of starving are much lower the fatter you are.
Not true
Is it not? I was almost certain being obese was a cure for starvation
Obese people can die from starvation just as easily as thin people...
I guess it is possible you are trying to be funny and just failing.
Genuinely didn’t know that. Never heard of it before, could you link anywhere where it’s happened? Especially “just as easily” ? "
You starve if you don't eat. an extreme short term stop gap is the body will consume its own fat, but if your not eating it will make very little difference. |
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"You starve if you don't eat. an extreme short term stop gap is the body will consume its own fat, but if your not eating it will make very little difference."
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Just sounds like another bit of tat... But its not like they were handing them out at the door to larger sized ladies
No different to those cookie jars that moo/oink at you, or that fridge thing that calls you a 'fat fook' when you open the door. If someone's daft enough to spend their money on them it's their choice |
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Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy."
Absofekinloutly! I'm "fat" and alot fitter than my slim friends I can tell u! I cycle to work and back every day at work walk 7 hrs solid to achieve pick rate as a shopper! Do a 20 mile round trip once a week on my bycicle swim a few times a week! Walk for pleasure plus walking my 2 dogs daily! And lots of gardening this time of year! X |
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If someone is buying it for themselves I see no problem, its someone making their own decision about something they want to do and getting the tolls they want to achieve that.
Buying it for someone else because you think they need it is another story. |
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Motivation is fine and the marketing is directed at those who desire to lose weight. There is sometimes an overreaction when offence is taken, the withdrawal seems like the right thing to do in most cases but I think it was unnecessary in this instance. Corporations are not very thick skinned and want to avoid any criticisms |
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy.
Absofekinloutly! I'm "fat" and alot fitter than my slim friends I can tell u! I cycle to work and back every day at work walk 7 hrs solid to achieve pick rate as a shopper! Do a 20 mile round trip once a week on my bycicle swim a few times a week! Walk for pleasure plus walking my 2 dogs daily! And lots of gardening this time of year! X"
I see what you are saying.
However I think the distinction between overweight and morbidly obese are different.
Also ( and I'm talking in general) yes you can be overweight and healthy,but generally speaking most of the issues that cause long term or life threatening conditions regards,blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, cholesterol, heart disease that are connected to weigh are suffered by people who are overweight.
Now genetics aside.
A person who is at optimal weight for age and height is highly less likely to suffer from conditions related to weight.
And the attitude of " we can't say anything about being overweight as people get upset" is killing people this isn't fat shaming it's just a fact.
But here's the thing I have spent most of my adult life training in various sports taking part in triathlon s, marathon's, ultra marathon's, swimming cycling,gym martial arts,gym aerobics and other sports at my height I was training about 20hrs a week.
Guess what?
I was always overweight sitting around 80+ kilo's I would regularly race against guy's 2/3 sometimes 4 stone lighter and I'd beat them.
I was not what you would call a triathlete or athlete if you looked at me.
So yes you can be overnight and fit.
But here's the real kick in the teeth.
Within two years of stopping the sport due to injury,not only was I diagnosed with high cholesterol, high blood pressure but type 2 diabetes.
I'd spent probably 35 years dedicated to a healthy lifestyle and becoming as fit as possible I got all the issues associated with being morbidly obese.
Being told by GP I'm fat and need to lose weight was a real slap in the face.
But when you get down to it had the doctor not been honest chances are I wouldn't be here now.
But as I touched on earlier genetics play a huge massive part in these things we can do many things to limit the impact damage being overweight can do to our bodies.
So whilst it may hurt feelings being called overweight by a medical professional is done out of need for your well being.
Being called a fat cunt by a total stranger is done because that person is a moron who has no compassion or feeling.
But getting upset just because someone mentioned the word "fat" isn't helping anyone particularly yourself.
Despite everything I still believe that you can be overweight and healthy.
The truest thing really is balance.
Living a lifestyle where you can be the body type that you are meant to be, eating a balanced diet, still enjoy treat's,be active and healthy.
But going back to my original point generally speaking overweight does mean unhealthy stress on the body.
It's just nature,it's not personal.
I've been thin I've been fat
I know what I'd rather be!
In the middle , comfortable happy and healthy.
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy.
Absofekinloutly! I'm "fat" and alot fitter than my slim friends I can tell u! I cycle to work and back every day at work walk 7 hrs solid to achieve pick rate as a shopper! Do a 20 mile round trip once a week on my bycicle swim a few times a week! Walk for pleasure plus walking my 2 dogs daily! And lots of gardening this time of year! X
I see what you are saying.
However I think the distinction between overweight and morbidly obese are different.
Also ( and I'm talking in general) yes you can be overweight and healthy,but generally speaking most of the issues that cause long term or life threatening conditions regards,blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, cholesterol, heart disease that are connected to weigh are suffered by people who are overweight.
Now genetics aside.
A person who is at optimal weight for age and height is highly less likely to suffer from conditions related to weight.
And the attitude of " we can't say anything about being overweight as people get upset" is killing people this isn't fat shaming it's just a fact.
But here's the thing I have spent most of my adult life training in various sports taking part in triathlon s, marathon's, ultra marathon's, swimming cycling,gym martial arts,gym aerobics and other sports at my height I was training about 20hrs a week.
Guess what?
I was always overweight sitting around 80+ kilo's I would regularly race against guy's 2/3 sometimes 4 stone lighter and I'd beat them.
I was not what you would call a triathlete or athlete if you looked at me.
So yes you can be overnight and fit.
But here's the real kick in the teeth.
Within two years of stopping the sport due to injury,not only was I diagnosed with high cholesterol, high blood pressure but type 2 diabetes.
I'd spent probably 35 years dedicated to a healthy lifestyle and becoming as fit as possible I got all the issues associated with being morbidly obese.
Being told by GP I'm fat and need to lose weight was a real slap in the face.
But when you get down to it had the doctor not been honest chances are I wouldn't be here now.
But as I touched on earlier genetics play a huge massive part in these things we can do many things to limit the impact damage being overweight can do to our bodies.
So whilst it may hurt feelings being called overweight by a medical professional is done out of need for your well being.
Being called a fat cunt by a total stranger is done because that person is a moron who has no compassion or feeling.
But getting upset just because someone mentioned the word "fat" isn't helping anyone particularly yourself.
Despite everything I still believe that you can be overweight and healthy.
The truest thing really is balance.
Living a lifestyle where you can be the body type that you are meant to be, eating a balanced diet, still enjoy treat's,be active and healthy.
But going back to my original point generally speaking overweight does mean unhealthy stress on the body.
It's just nature,it's not personal.
I've been thin I've been fat
I know what I'd rather be!
In the middle , comfortable happy and healthy.
"
Yes I'm sure being overweight has contributed to my type 2 diabetes and high cholesterol! Although it is the hereditary diabetes my sis who is normal weight is borderline as is my stick thin brother x |
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"This is an incentive that women have been using for many years in weight loss groups, and these kind of things have been available from online sellers for years. In my experience of weight loss groups (and it's been extensive!) men are motivated differently, so are generally less likely to be interested in this kind of product.
I don't see that The Range have done anything wrong in finally bringing this into the mainstream, though they maybe got the marketing a tad wrong here.
I’m gonna be super sexist but u hear that joke
“If he’s married and he’s starting to really hit the gym, he probably has a young mistress”
That’s the motivator right there
I’m kidding btw! Guys, don’t come for my guts please
Your absolutely right though. Same thing when after 10 years in marriage she suddenly starts hitting the gym. Someone’s looking to upgrade
Definitely getting banged by the super hot PT or tennis coach
I mean… kinda goals (tho I’ve had my fair share of pts )"
Maybe I need a new PT again. I have never had one I'd concider getting banged by. |
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy.
Absofekinloutly! I'm "fat" and alot fitter than my slim friends I can tell u! I cycle to work and back every day at work walk 7 hrs solid to achieve pick rate as a shopper! Do a 20 mile round trip once a week on my bycicle swim a few times a week! Walk for pleasure plus walking my 2 dogs daily! And lots of gardening this time of year! X
I see what you are saying.
However I think the distinction between overweight and morbidly obese are different.
Also ( and I'm talking in general) yes you can be overweight and healthy,but generally speaking most of the issues that cause long term or life threatening conditions regards,blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, cholesterol, heart disease that are connected to weigh are suffered by people who are overweight.
Now genetics aside.
A person who is at optimal weight for age and height is highly less likely to suffer from conditions related to weight.
And the attitude of " we can't say anything about being overweight as people get upset" is killing people this isn't fat shaming it's just a fact.
But here's the thing I have spent most of my adult life training in various sports taking part in triathlon s, marathon's, ultra marathon's, swimming cycling,gym martial arts,gym aerobics and other sports at my height I was training about 20hrs a week.
Guess what?
I was always overweight sitting around 80+ kilo's I would regularly race against guy's 2/3 sometimes 4 stone lighter and I'd beat them.
I was not what you would call a triathlete or athlete if you looked at me.
So yes you can be overnight and fit.
But here's the real kick in the teeth.
Within two years of stopping the sport due to injury,not only was I diagnosed with high cholesterol, high blood pressure but type 2 diabetes.
I'd spent probably 35 years dedicated to a healthy lifestyle and becoming as fit as possible I got all the issues associated with being morbidly obese.
Being told by GP I'm fat and need to lose weight was a real slap in the face.
But when you get down to it had the doctor not been honest chances are I wouldn't be here now.
But as I touched on earlier genetics play a huge massive part in these things we can do many things to limit the impact damage being overweight can do to our bodies.
So whilst it may hurt feelings being called overweight by a medical professional is done out of need for your well being.
Being called a fat cunt by a total stranger is done because that person is a moron who has no compassion or feeling.
But getting upset just because someone mentioned the word "fat" isn't helping anyone particularly yourself.
Despite everything I still believe that you can be overweight and healthy.
The truest thing really is balance.
Living a lifestyle where you can be the body type that you are meant to be, eating a balanced diet, still enjoy treat's,be active and healthy.
But going back to my original point generally speaking overweight does mean unhealthy stress on the body.
It's just nature,it's not personal.
I've been thin I've been fat
I know what I'd rather be!
In the middle , comfortable happy and healthy.
Yes I'm sure being overweight has contributed to my type 2 diabetes and high cholesterol! Although it is the hereditary diabetes my sis who is normal weight is borderline as is my stick thin brother x"
Absolutely it's the thing I struggled with the most to get my head round.
Unfortunately todays diet's of sugar Laden food and hidden sugar really doesn't help.
I put mine down to my addiction to bread.
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I am in the category that BMI which the NHS uses to classify as morbidly obese.
Ignoring the completely BS nature of BMI...
I have several health issues, none of them are related to weight. But some are worse than they could otherwise be because the NHS refused to consider it may not be because of weight.
There is a level of Fat Shaming and Fatphobia throughout our country. Based not in facts but in what people feel is true.
[this has been an opinion] |
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"Reports that The Range shop was selling games to motivate women to lose weight before their wedding and to lose weight for the beach.
For every pound of weight lost the slimmer puts a pound coin in a slot and then are rewarded with the bounty on reaching the target weight. A shopper asked if there was a male version and when the Range realised there was not then they pulled the product.
Is this sexism, female body shaming or a fun game. Would it have been ok if there was a male version of the game?
It's all over the news..."
Weight loss and the prize is a bounty, bit counter productive. |
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid.
Except that isn't always true.
Fatter doesn't automatically mean less healthy.
Absofekinloutly! I'm "fat" and alot fitter than my slim friends I can tell u! I cycle to work and back every day at work walk 7 hrs solid to achieve pick rate as a shopper! Do a 20 mile round trip once a week on my bycicle swim a few times a week! Walk for pleasure plus walking my 2 dogs daily! And lots of gardening this time of year! X
I see what you are saying.
However I think the distinction between overweight and morbidly obese are different.
Also ( and I'm talking in general) yes you can be overweight and healthy,but generally speaking most of the issues that cause long term or life threatening conditions regards,blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, cholesterol, heart disease that are connected to weigh are suffered by people who are overweight.
Now genetics aside.
A person who is at optimal weight for age and height is highly less likely to suffer from conditions related to weight.
And the attitude of " we can't say anything about being overweight as people get upset" is killing people this isn't fat shaming it's just a fact.
But here's the thing I have spent most of my adult life training in various sports taking part in triathlon s, marathon's, ultra marathon's, swimming cycling,gym martial arts,gym aerobics and other sports at my height I was training about 20hrs a week.
Guess what?
I was always overweight sitting around 80+ kilo's I would regularly race against guy's 2/3 sometimes 4 stone lighter and I'd beat them.
I was not what you would call a triathlete or athlete if you looked at me.
So yes you can be overnight and fit.
But here's the real kick in the teeth.
Within two years of stopping the sport due to injury,not only was I diagnosed with high cholesterol, high blood pressure but type 2 diabetes.
I'd spent probably 35 years dedicated to a healthy lifestyle and becoming as fit as possible I got all the issues associated with being morbidly obese.
Being told by GP I'm fat and need to lose weight was a real slap in the face.
But when you get down to it had the doctor not been honest chances are I wouldn't be here now.
But as I touched on earlier genetics play a huge massive part in these things we can do many things to limit the impact damage being overweight can do to our bodies.
So whilst it may hurt feelings being called overweight by a medical professional is done out of need for your well being.
Being called a fat cunt by a total stranger is done because that person is a moron who has no compassion or feeling.
But getting upset just because someone mentioned the word "fat" isn't helping anyone particularly yourself.
Despite everything I still believe that you can be overweight and healthy.
The truest thing really is balance.
Living a lifestyle where you can be the body type that you are meant to be, eating a balanced diet, still enjoy treat's,be active and healthy.
But going back to my original point generally speaking overweight does mean unhealthy stress on the body.
It's just nature,it's not personal.
I've been thin I've been fat
I know what I'd rather be!
In the middle , comfortable happy and healthy.
"
I was a fell runner, running 60km+ a week, while weight training 3 times a week.
All while morbidly obeese.
I had a resting heart rate around 60. I can't remember my cholesterol levels but they were pretty much bang on for if I was in an ideal BMI range.
I've always struggled with my weight, medication and long term health issues (both of which cause weight gain) meant I've had a permenant struggle on my hands. |
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"I am in the category that BMI which the NHS uses to classify as morbidly obese.
Ignoring the completely BS nature of BMI...
I have several health issues, none of them are related to weight. But some are worse than they could otherwise be because the NHS refused to consider it may not be because of weight.
There is a level of Fat Shaming and Fatphobia throughout our country. Based not in facts but in what people feel is true.
[this has been an opinion]"
I think using yourself as one piece of anecdotal evidence is a little misleading
We know, pretty well, that excess weight isn’t good for you. That’s an undeniable fact now.
However I’m sure your statements about the unfair treatment of some fat patients are true in some ways |
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"I am in the category that BMI which the NHS uses to classify as morbidly obese.
Ignoring the completely BS nature of BMI...
I have several health issues, none of them are related to weight. But some are worse than they could otherwise be because the NHS refused to consider it may not be because of weight.
There is a level of Fat Shaming and Fatphobia throughout our country. Based not in facts but in what people feel is true.
[this has been an opinion]
I think using yourself as one piece of anecdotal evidence is a little misleading
We know, pretty well, that excess weight isn’t good for you. That’s an undeniable fact now.
However I’m sure your statements about the unfair treatment of some fat patients are true in some ways "
Saying it isn't good for you is not the same as fat being bad for you.
And the latter is how the NHS treats it, and it isn't true.
as for "we know" I am less sure of that now than I was a decade ago, having seen more and more studies that show things that used to be considered as weight related, are in fact not. |
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"I am in the category that BMI which the NHS uses to classify as morbidly obese.
Ignoring the completely BS nature of BMI...
I have several health issues, none of them are related to weight. But some are worse than they could otherwise be because the NHS refused to consider it may not be because of weight.
There is a level of Fat Shaming and Fatphobia throughout our country. Based not in facts but in what people feel is true.
[this has been an opinion]
I think using yourself as one piece of anecdotal evidence is a little misleading
We know, pretty well, that excess weight isn’t good for you. That’s an undeniable fact now.
However I’m sure your statements about the unfair treatment of some fat patients are true in some ways
Saying it isn't good for you is not the same as fat being bad for you.
And the latter is how the NHS treats it, and it isn't true.
as for "we know" I am less sure of that now than I was a decade ago, having seen more and more studies that show things that used to be considered as weight related, are in fact not."
Well, if you’ve got anything you think is worth reading I’ll always take a look. As far as I was aware we know full well that being over weight increases chances of a tonne of different illness and diseases. |
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I've read some of the posts with interest. And my own personal belief is that many of us could be healthier in way or another.
The study by Lassale et Al., 2018. Did a study on 520,000 Europeans and found.
"Irrespective of BMI, metabolically unhealthy individuals had higher CHD risk than their healthy counterparts. Conversely, irrespective of metabolic health, overweight and obese people had higher CHD risk than lean people. These findings challenge the concept of ‘metabolically healthy obesity’, encouraging population-wide strategies to tackle obesity."
I maybe able to hike for miles on end, but I'm overweight and it's a risk to my health. |
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"I've read some of the posts with interest. And my own personal belief is that many of us could be healthier in way or another.
The study by Lassale et Al., 2018. Did a study on 520,000 Europeans and found.
"Irrespective of BMI, metabolically unhealthy individuals had higher CHD risk than their healthy counterparts. Conversely, irrespective of metabolic health, overweight and obese people had higher CHD risk than lean people. These findings challenge the concept of ‘metabolically healthy obesity’, encouraging population-wide strategies to tackle obesity."
I maybe able to hike for miles on end, but I'm overweight and it's a risk to my health. "
I see a lot of overweight people making the claim that being overweight isn’t unhealthy, but I see very little backing it up. And I’ve seen plenty of stuff showing that it is unhealthy.
That doesn’t mean that if your overweight everyone slimmer then you are a automatically healthier
And it doesn’t mean that you can’t be overweight and still live a healthy lifestyle, as other posters have mentioned with how active they are. That counts for something
But yeah. I think there’s a lot of evidence showing it’s not good for you. And if people want to bury their head in the sand because it makes them feel better, then, I feel bad for them |
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"Shops advertise differently to men and women
Maybe they thought there wasn’t a market for a mens version
Is encouragement now fat shaming?
No one is forcing anyone to lose weight, or buy the product "
No ones forcing them to get fat either |
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" Slimmer isn’t an improvement. It’s just slimmer.
Absolute nonsense. Try telling that to a person whose very life depends on it i.e. the grossly obese person who will die if they don't lose weight. This "lazy attitude" of, I`ll eat what I want and don't you ever "fat shame" me is killing people in their millions across the globe. If you can't see that; you are stupid."
Total nonsense
What about those with severe aneorexia? Slimmer = Death.
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"I've read some of the posts with interest. And my own personal belief is that many of us could be healthier in way or another.
The study by Lassale et Al., 2018. Did a study on 520,000 Europeans and found.
"Irrespective of BMI, metabolically unhealthy individuals had higher CHD risk than their healthy counterparts. Conversely, irrespective of metabolic health, overweight and obese people had higher CHD risk than lean people. These findings challenge the concept of ‘metabolically healthy obesity’, encouraging population-wide strategies to tackle obesity."
I maybe able to hike for miles on end, but I'm overweight and it's a risk to my health.
I see a lot of overweight people making the claim that being overweight isn’t unhealthy, but I see very little backing it up. And I’ve seen plenty of stuff showing that it is unhealthy.
That doesn’t mean that if your overweight everyone slimmer then you are a automatically healthier
And it doesn’t mean that you can’t be overweight and still live a healthy lifestyle, as other posters have mentioned with how active they are. That counts for something
But yeah. I think there’s a lot of evidence showing it’s not good for you. And if people want to bury their head in the sand because it makes them feel better, then, I feel bad for them "
I'm an unhealthy weight can't deny it. I've lost weight so I'm healthier than I was but it's a gradual process.
There's enough evidence to suggest that being overweight affects so much of our bodies normal function. From how we tackle infections to getting heart disease. We can't ignore these things. I'm all for body positivity and encouragement to live healthier lifestyles. But we can't ignore the science. |
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Wow! Lots to consider here
Some notes from a fat person -
Fat shaming has been shown NOT to work in many cases it has the opposite effect. What HAS been shown to work to motivate people to lose weight is positive reinforcement.
Losing weight is a deeply complex situation. If it were really as simple as “eat less do more” as so many who have never been fat themselves claim then there really wouldn’t BE as many fat people.
The issues that can affect weight include food environment, food marketing, poverty, psychology/trauma, genetics, hormones, undiagnosed or even diagnosed underlying conditions that affect metabolism, meds that affect metabolism, age, race…
There is new research coming through that certain conditions previously thought to be caused by being fat actually are more likely to be the cause of weight gain.
As for Drs don’t even get me started! I’ve had several problems where I’ve been misdiagnosed as they have zoned in on my being fat and they assume EVERY medical issue I have MUST be related to that.
My vitals are all healthy, the medical issues I DO have are nothing to do with being fat I had them when I was skinny too!
“as for "we know" I am less sure of that now than I was a decade ago, having seen more and more studies that show things that used to be considered as weight related, are in fact not.”
Yes I’ve seen that too
Some previous studies have been shown to be less than rigorously carried out.
I’m not saying being fat is healthy, but I think there is way too much emphasis on it within healthcare to the detriment of actually diagnosing and treating patients accurately |
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By *otMe66Man
over a year ago
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What exactly is fat shaming? Is it mentioning someone has put weight on, suggesting someone loses weight, or being rude / nasty about a persons weight?
Is there a standard definition or is it one of those things that is dependant on how a person feels? |
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I'm conflicted on this:
On one hand a big part of making healthy choices is motivation tactics and rewards (not that all weight loss strategies or reasons are healthy). So I see on one hand it could be a fun tool towards a goal.
On the other hand when you have something on the shelves of major retailer it has an effect on normalising a message. It could be a factor in perpetuating a message that fat or larger bodies are bad or are failure. That it's unattractive not to be trim on your wedding day. So I get the point, especially in a society where we have such a problem with ours and other peoples bodies.
However on reflection I think it's still a valid product despite being problematic. We are all adults after all. Do we want to live in a nanny State? I don't think such a product needs to be pulled off the shelves. I don't see it as risk number one to soicety and women. Let the actual consumer vote with their wallets at the tills. |
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"Wow! Lots to consider here
Some notes from a fat person -
Fat shaming has been shown NOT to work in many cases it has the opposite effect. What HAS been shown to work to motivate people to lose weight is positive reinforcement.
Losing weight is a deeply complex situation. If it were really as simple as “eat less do more” as so many who have never been fat themselves claim then there really wouldn’t BE as many fat people.
The issues that can affect weight include food environment, food marketing, poverty, psychology/trauma, genetics, hormones, undiagnosed or even diagnosed underlying conditions that affect metabolism, meds that affect metabolism, age, race…
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Pretty sure no one is advocating fat shaming though there are different views on what constitutes this.
None of what you said disproves the adage that all you need to do is eat less and exercise more. I totally agree that for a whole range of reasons (including the ones you've listed) this is a lot easier said than done but it doesn't make it untrue.
I really struggle with my weight. I'm lucky that I'm healthy and enjoy exercise. I've had a few very busy months in work so cut right back on my training with the result I gained very nearly a stone in 3 months. I'm still busy and not exercising as much as I want so I'm struggling to shift it. The only way I can do this is learn to live with an almost constant feeling of being hungry.
One of the things that really annoys me is when overweight people look at me and see I'm relatively slim so assume it's somehow easy, that I can't possibly understand. It used to be when I was younger, I could eat whatever I liked and not gain weight. From about 23 years old that has changed and keeping my weight down where I want it to be is a constant battle, I dread the thought of looking my health as then I won't be able to eat what feels the right amount and stay slim by averaging 800kcal a day off extra activity. Instead, I'll have to live with eating 800kcal less than I feel I want.
You do lose weight by eating less and exercising more - this is a cycle I go through every 6 months or so when the weight starts to creep back up. Saying advertising/food choice/medication make this hard is irrelevant.
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"What exactly is fat shaming? Is it mentioning someone has put weight on, suggesting someone loses weight, or being rude / nasty about a persons weight?
Is there a standard definition or is it one of those things that is dependant on how a person feels? "
You can't wear xyz if you're over a size 16. Sniggering and laughing by others when you're at the gym trying to shift weight. Being shouted at from a van oi fatty as you're on a walk. You're so brave to dress like that, I couldn't do that. Some of the examples I've had personally. Not sure if there is a definition but I've considered these examples to be ones. |
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I said it wasn’t as simple as “eat less move more” I didn’t say that practically speaking that wasn’t true.
I was saying there are barriers and challenges to eating less and moving more for many of us, eg I am limited in what and how much exercise I can do I’m also on medications for conditions i have had since I was skinny that are known to slow metabolism AND increase appetite so it is medically known to be harder for me to lose weight than it would be for someone without those considerations. Indeed I was slim for a long time
Similar to a pp I’ve been part of several weight loss groups and forums and one thing that does come up in almost every overweight persons history is trauma - and I’m not talking just a perceived victim hood here but major incidents and long term experiences like domestic abuse, major assault, major accidents etc
There’s a lot of research into the links between trauma and weight gain. |
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"I said it wasn’t as simple as “eat less move more” I didn’t say that practically speaking that wasn’t true.
I was saying there are barriers and challenges to eating less and moving more for many of us, eg I am limited in what and how much exercise I can do I’m also on medications for conditions i have had since I was skinny that are known to slow metabolism AND increase appetite so it is medically known to be harder for me to lose weight than it would be for someone without those considerations. Indeed I was slim for a long time
Similar to a pp I’ve been part of several weight loss groups and forums and one thing that does come up in almost every overweight persons history is trauma - and I’m not talking just a perceived victim hood here but major incidents and long term experiences like domestic abuse, major assault, major accidents etc
There’s a lot of research into the links between trauma and weight gain. "
Maybe that's my issue then - I changed from being able to eat what I like to putting on weight quickly and easily after a major assault.
Or maybe it's genetic - both my b parents have struggled with their weight, my father was probably borderline obese when he died.
Re your expression "not as simple" I suspect we have different ideas as to what the simple in that sentence refers to. I think it refers to the concept of eat less, exercise more while I suspect you think it refers to being able to do so.
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"I said it wasn’t as simple as “eat less move more” I didn’t say that practically speaking that wasn’t true.
I was saying there are barriers and challenges to eating less and moving more for many of us, eg I am limited in what and how much exercise I can do I’m also on medications for conditions i have had since I was skinny that are known to slow metabolism AND increase appetite so it is medically known to be harder for me to lose weight than it would be for someone without those considerations. Indeed I was slim for a long time
Similar to a pp I’ve been part of several weight loss groups and forums and one thing that does come up in almost every overweight persons history is trauma - and I’m not talking just a perceived victim hood here but major incidents and long term experiences like domestic abuse, major assault, major accidents etc
There’s a lot of research into the links between trauma and weight gain.
Maybe that's my issue then - I changed from being able to eat what I like to putting on weight quickly and easily after a major assault.
Or maybe it's genetic - both my b parents have struggled with their weight, my father was probably borderline obese when he died.
Re your expression "not as simple" I suspect we have different ideas as to what the simple in that sentence refers to. I think it refers to the concept of eat less, exercise more while I suspect you think it refers to being able to do so.
Mr"
Possibly - there’s research that trauma doesn’t only affect us psychologically but can also change metabolic rate
Regarding “not as simple” maybe simple as in the concept isn’t so taxing, but not easy as in very hard to actually do? |
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Ive recently had my opinion completely changed on the whole "is being fat a choice" thing after watching a video on the topic.
Firstly, yes, eat less move more works, for everyone, no exceptions. You are not the exception to the laws of thermodynamics
However, in practice, everyone is different.
If your one of those people that wakes up, forgets breakfast, forgets lunch and at 7PM thinks "damn I should eat something" then you are one of the lucky ones.
Not everyone is like that. Some people are tortured with cravings all day. They've got an appetite that doesn't match their activity levels.
If you work a desk job from home, you are going to struggle more than someone that works a very physical job.
I think the fundamentals of it are simple. Eat less, move more, you'll lose weight. I think actually getting that done can be night and day difference for some people. And it can be very hard to understand the other side of whatever you are.
For example I work with a guy that just forgets to eat all day. He doesn't really have any favorite foods. Eating isn't fun for him. Its something he does to survive. I, however, love to eat. I have to try much harder than him. I feel the effects of not eating much stronger than he does. I crave things.
I've definitely gained some sympathy |
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By *otMe66Man
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"What exactly is fat shaming? Is it mentioning someone has put weight on, suggesting someone loses weight, or being rude / nasty about a persons weight?
Is there a standard definition or is it one of those things that is dependant on how a person feels?
You can't wear xyz if you're over a size 16. Sniggering and laughing by others when you're at the gym trying to shift weight. Being shouted at from a van oi fatty as you're on a walk. You're so brave to dress like that, I couldn't do that. Some of the examples I've had personally. Not sure if there is a definition but I've considered these examples to be ones. "
Thanks, that makes sense, I can see the shaming in those situations. |
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