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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Spin doctors from the National Grid are using spin doctors to say that they will bring in a scheme to sell power cheaper during off peak times. AKA paying a premium to use power at peak times. More to this than meets the eye... |
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This is economy 7 white meter stuff been doing it for over 40 years. What they arnt telling people is the grid is dated and inadequate and more people are using more electric and the grids struggling to cope |
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By *lynJMan
over a year ago
Morden |
"Can't these spin doctors harness their spinning to the grid and generate a bit of electricity "
Strap some magnets to them and put some big coils of wire around them. That should generate some electricity. |
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By *lhr1061Man
over a year ago
Warwickshire |
This is the problem with smart meters, they'll be able to charge you more at peak times, also they will be able to charge you for apparent power rather than actual power. Why do you think there's such a big push to have them fitted. |
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Nothing new ....and the whole system/country is at breaking point or even beyond lack of any real investment is the core issue and we lose a fair bit of Electrickery we generate due to the way our system works and of course quite literally throwing up hugely inefficient housing just adds to our woes !!! ...but we started our hamster farm in prep ...  |
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"This is the problem with smart meters, they'll be able to charge you more at peak times, also they will be able to charge you for apparent power rather than actual power. Why do you think there's such a big push to have them fitted."
You some what right.
Ofgem have stated time of tariff use could be used with the role out of smart meters. But its more to balance the grid. 6am till 8am and 4pm till 6pm is when there is the most demanded on the grid as this is when the average person gets up and goes to work.
Smart meters as a hole have a lot more benefits to the grind than the consumer but there really is nothing wrong with having them fitted.
As for appernt use. Your wrong there. The whole point of a smart meter is to bill for your actual use if they wanted Appernt use they would not be upgraded meters and just estimating people bills.
As for Economy 7 etc making a come back. It never went away lots of property still use eco7 and have storage heaters and immersion heaters for got water.
And as from 2030 when new gas boilers can't be fitted more people will go back to this type of tariff. Also roll out of eletric boilers, and ground and sir source heat pumps than also use eletric and are expensive to run. I think more people will welcome been able to use them when energy costs are cheaper.
And with EV coming in thick and fast now people will want to be charger at night on cheaper eletric.
Eletric that is produced and not able to be used is wasted and shot back into the ground as we as a country have no viable way of storing the eletric. |
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By *lhr1061Man
over a year ago
Warwickshire |
"This is the problem with smart meters, they'll be able to charge you more at peak times, also they will be able to charge you for apparent power rather than actual power. Why do you think there's such a big push to have them fitted.
You some what right.
Ofgem have stated time of tariff use could be used with the role out of smart meters. But its more to balance the grid. 6am till 8am and 4pm till 6pm is when there is the most demanded on the grid as this is when the average person gets up and goes to work.
Smart meters as a hole have a lot more benefits to the grind than the consumer but there really is nothing wrong with having them fitted.
As for appernt use. Your wrong there. The whole point of a smart meter is to bill for your actual use if they wanted Appernt use they would not be upgraded meters and just estimating people bills.
As for Economy 7 etc making a come back. It never went away lots of property still use eco7 and have storage heaters and immersion heaters for got water.
And as from 2030 when new gas boilers can't be fitted more people will go back to this type of tariff. Also roll out of eletric boilers, and ground and sir source heat pumps than also use eletric and are expensive to run. I think more people will welcome been able to use them when energy costs are cheaper.
And with EV coming in thick and fast now people will want to be charger at night on cheaper eletric.
Eletric that is produced and not able to be used is wasted and shot back into the ground as we as a country have no viable way of storing the eletric. "
I mentioned apparent power not apparent usage. Not the same thing. Smart meters do indeed have the ability to charge for apparent power. |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands |
When I bought my present house 40 years ago it had economy 7 and night storage heaters, over time the heaters were thrown out in favour of a gas central heating system.
The off peak electricity remained in place giving me cheap electricity from midnight to 7am. over the years the time clock contolling the off peak has now moved to a 4pm to 11pm period, No one has ever been to check it or reset it, meter readers do not want to know.
I now do all my cake making, Cook my own ready meals and do my laundry between 4 and 11pm |
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"This is economy 7 white meter stuff been doing it for over 40 years. What they arnt telling people is the grid is dated and inadequate and more people are using more electric and the grids struggling to cope"
It's almost as if the privatisation of our infrastructure was a really bad idea. Instead of investing in grid improvements, all they care about is profit extraction. Same story with our water. |
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"This is the problem with smart meters, they'll be able to charge you more at peak times, also they will be able to charge you for apparent power rather than actual power. Why do you think there's such a big push to have them fitted.
You some what right.
Ofgem have stated time of tariff use could be used with the role out of smart meters. But its more to balance the grid. 6am till 8am and 4pm till 6pm is when there is the most demanded on the grid as this is when the average person gets up and goes to work.
Smart meters as a hole have a lot more benefits to the grind than the consumer but there really is nothing wrong with having them fitted.
As for appernt use. Your wrong there. The whole point of a smart meter is to bill for your actual use if they wanted Appernt use they would not be upgraded meters and just estimating people bills.
As for Economy 7 etc making a come back. It never went away lots of property still use eco7 and have storage heaters and immersion heaters for got water.
And as from 2030 when new gas boilers can't be fitted more people will go back to this type of tariff. Also roll out of eletric boilers, and ground and sir source heat pumps than also use eletric and are expensive to run. I think more people will welcome been able to use them when energy costs are cheaper.
And with EV coming in thick and fast now people will want to be charger at night on cheaper eletric.
Eletric that is produced and not able to be used is wasted and shot back into the ground as we as a country have no viable way of storing the eletric.
I mentioned apparent power not apparent usage. Not the same thing. Smart meters do indeed have the ability to charge for apparent power."
Your right they do have this built into them but really won't effect the customer. A lot of people still don't really understand watts and kilo Watts more ao the younger generations |
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"When I bought my present house 40 years ago it had economy 7 and night storage heaters, over time the heaters were thrown out in favour of a gas central heating system.
The off peak electricity remained in place giving me cheap electricity from midnight to 7am. over the years the time clock contolling the off peak has now moved to a 4pm to 11pm period, No one has ever been to check it or reset it, meter readers do not want to know.
I now do all my cake making, Cook my own ready meals and do my laundry between 4 and 11pm"
Good way of dealing with the issue. Time clocks can be adjusted but most energy companies would be ripping that all out and fitting a digital eco 7 meter or smart eco 7.
There is a lot of old eco 7 running of radio switches that tell the meter to change and these haven't been working for a long time. |
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Being a conspiracy theorist, and most of the conspiracies i was told about all have so far come true, its the next lot of conspiracy I've been told about worries me, and I hope they won't come true, but yes was told this stuff was going to happen, we will have blackouts,ect, |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
I knew when they pushed these so called smart meters that they were up to something..
No benefit to the consumer whatsoever .. they should be called sleeper meters .. like spies sent into our homes to be awakened at some point in the future by the spymasters.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Anyone ever been to an electrical themed restaurant? They serve only mains.."
Problem I find is the shocking prices, it's sky high, and the food is quite likely to give you wind, and you will glow in the dark afterwards |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The national grid can't cope with the requirements now,imagine what it's going to be like in 10/15 years when all the cars and public transport are electric and all heating also goes electric as gas is phased out.
No real investment in to power stations. Wind farm's and solar are a poor substitute. |
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"Can't these spin doctors harness their spinning to the grid and generate a bit of electricity
Strap some magnets to them and put some big coils of wire around them. That should generate some electricity."
I was about to say something about electromagnets  |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
Has anyone noticed the price of wood dropped when we had the heatwave. Not just logs but old furniture etc , over winter it was so expensive now it’s quite cheap and even free stuff again.
I’ve just logged enough for next winter and have a couple of dead trees ready for 2023/24 , if I’m still alive after that hopefully solar will have moved on a bit |
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"The national grid can't cope with the requirements now,imagine what it's going to be like in 10/15 years when all the cars and public transport are electric and all heating also goes electric as gas is phased out.
No real investment in to power stations. Wind farm's and solar are a poor substitute."
the grid has failed to be updated despite the huge amounts taken from consumers to cover infrastructure renewal. as a country we use 10% less electricity now than we did 10 years ago, and over the last 3 decades the reduction in electricty used has been even more massive, but contrary to what conservative economics told us, rather than prices falling as demand drops they have risen uncontrolably. as for renewables, what you wrote is utterly incorrect, it's the area that is currently the most cost effective in electric production producing more financial value than any kind of centralised power station. having energy production spread more thinly over a much wider area reduces pressure on the grid. the only problem with renewables is that too many of the those in power are so heavily invested in 'prehistoric' methods of production that they refuse to give up on their 'goose that's laying them their golden eggs', and for this reason they are stiffling the roll out of renewable generation. |
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