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By *wing66Couple
over a year ago
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"...dolls for kids?!! 
What will the toy companies think of next?"
I think it is mainly to promote breastfeeding, if it is seen as being the right thing to do early on then it will stick with them when they actually give birth and have the need to do it for real.
Our child was breastfed and i have no problems with it, for 1 it is natural and for 2 it is a damn sight cheaper. |
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over a year ago
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Its a bit odd i must admit
tho i've always been for breast feeding as its the best start for any baby children really dont need to be simulating it do they  
maybe its done to promote brest feeding to kids at a very young age so it sticks in their minds and are more likely to do it as an adult |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Our child was breastfed and i have no problems with it, for 1 it is natural and for 2 it is a damn sight cheaper."
i have no problem with the idea behind it, but little girls take their dolls out and a child sat in public place simulating breat feeding would look a bit odd in my eyes |
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over a year ago
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"I saw a doll advertised once from Japan, it was awful! had big ginger hair AND big ginger pubes... on the box it said
"Shave the Baby"
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thats disgusting, you'd think they'd have at least used a brunette  |
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These have been around for a few years. I'd rather mine played with this than a brats or babie dressed up like a 19yo!!!
I really don't see what all the fuss is about, breasts are for feeding first and playing second. People that see this as wrong really need to get a grip, it's the most natural thing and if this doll teaches that breasts are not primarily a sexual part of the body it gets my vote. |
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"I saw a doll advertised once from Japan, it was awful! had big ginger hair AND big ginger pubes... on the box it said
"Shave the Baby"
thats disgusting, you'd think they'd have at least used a brunette "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I saw a doll advertised once from Japan, it was awful! had big ginger hair AND big ginger pubes... on the box it said
"Shave the Baby"
thats disgusting, you'd think they'd have at least used a brunette "
I agree with breastfeeding. I don't agree with breastfeeding dolls, it's just wrong.
Imagining View doll shopping............  |
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"It's a bizarre world for sure. Years ago it'd have been the cat that got dressed up as a doll and wheeled around in the pram for fun.
At least these dolls give the cat a break!
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Now breastfeeding a cat would be wrong |
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over a year ago
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I really don't see what all the fuss is about, breasts are for feeding first and playing second. People that see this as wrong really need to get a grip, it's the most natural thing and if this doll teaches that breasts are not primarily a sexual part of the body it gets my vote. "
I agree, i fed all my kids and see nothing wrong with it
however children do not have breast so a doll that simulates something that their body is not yet deveolped for just seems a little odd to me
If i did buy my child one i really dont think id be happy with her sat in public pretending to breast feed a child
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I really don't see what all the fuss is about, breasts are for feeding first and playing second. People that see this as wrong really need to get a grip, it's the most natural thing and if this doll teaches that breasts are not primarily a sexual part of the body it gets my vote.
I agree, i fed all my kids and see nothing wrong with it
however children do not have breast so a doll that simulates something that their body is not yet deveolped for just seems a little odd to me
If i did buy my child one i really dont think id be happy with her sat in public pretending to breast feed a child
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You have a point here, I hadn't really thought of that. But my youngest used to pretend to feed her teddies, although never in public that I remember. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has anyone seen the programme about the women who have dolls and treat them as babies? Truly weird "
lol yeah
they great dolls tho, my daughter would have loved a life like doll like that, but a bit odd to treat it as a c child when your an adult
no different to those who treat dogs like kids i guess |
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I have mixed _iews on whether breastfeeding is better or not. Sure, nature provided this method of feeding so that the baby's immunity is enhanced by protein from it's mother, and that in times of famine a baby could still be fed (although how that equates when the mother is starving and lacking nutrients I've yet to hear a convincing argument for).
My first wife flatly refused to breastfeed and found the whole thing very wierd. Our daughter grew up to be a Straight A student and has rarely been ill.
However, Siren has breast fed both our children and they too are healthy well nurished kids (although our lad eats nothing but sausages, chicken nuggets and potato smiley faces and/or yorkshire puddings which is infuriating to say the least, but he eats plenty of fruit).
Ultimately, as a man, I don't feel it is my position to tell a woman that she should or shouldn't breastfeed. It is entirely down to her and how she feels about it, but as with both my wives, I supported their decisions whichever way it went. |
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..which is completely off tangent from the OP but if these dolls are designed to promote breastfeeding well, it won't hurt them to learn about it will it. They can still decide for themselves when and if the time arises. |
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I have a different take on this. The only thing ive ever really felt guilty about is the fact i couldnt breast feed my son. He was tube fed being premature. I spent 20 years carrying the guilt round. Now i know it may sound trivial to some, but breast feeding is always being promoted as the best thing for a baby and the best start in life.
There are lots of people who cant or choose not to breast feed their children.
I dont want them to feel how i did, its only the last couple of years ive really gotten over it |
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"I have a different take on this. The only thing ive ever really felt guilty about is the fact i couldnt breast feed my son. He was tube fed being premature. I spent 20 years carrying the guilt round. Now i know it may sound trivial to some, but breast feeding is always being promoted as the best thing for a baby and the best start in life.
There are lots of people who cant or choose not to breast feed their children.
I dont want them to feel how i did, its only the last couple of years ive really gotten over it"
It's awful that society has conditioned a mother to feel so bad about not breastfeeding. As I said above, centuries ago a child got most of it's nourishment from it's mother as they didn't have forumla and Sainsburys in those days, but today there are good healthy alternatives to breast milk and I really don't think it makes one iota of difference. |
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"I have mixed _iews on whether breastfeeding is better or not. Sure, nature provided this method of feeding so that the baby's immunity is enhanced by protein from it's mother, and that in times of famine a baby could still be fed (although how that equates when the mother is starving and lacking nutrients I've yet to hear a convincing argument for).
My first wife flatly refused to breastfeed and found the whole thing very wierd. Our daughter grew up to be a Straight A student and has rarely been ill.
However, Siren has breast fed both our children and they too are healthy well nurished kids (although our lad eats nothing but sausages, chicken nuggets and potato smiley faces and/or yorkshire puddings which is infuriating to say the least, but he eats plenty of fruit).
Ultimately, as a man, I don't feel it is my position to tell a woman that she should or shouldn't breastfeed. It is entirely down to her and how she feels about it, but as with both my wives, I supported their decisions whichever way it went."
The vast majority of people in this country have been bottle fed and have thrived. Formula is a substitute, not a poison as bf fanatics will have you believe!! I just see it as why not use what mother nature gave us. I have fed all 3 of mine, till 1 for the first two and the youngest self weaned at 3. My eldest has all sorts of skin problems and catches every cough/cold/bug going and it does irk me when people say breastfeeding avoids problems like this. But having said that my youngest has never had more than a runny nose!
I am pro breastfeeding but disagree with the the pressure put on new mums. If mums not happy, baby's not happy. |
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"I have a different take on this. The only thing ive ever really felt guilty about is the fact i couldnt breast feed my son. He was tube fed being premature. I spent 20 years carrying the guilt round. Now i know it may sound trivial to some, but breast feeding is always being promoted as the best thing for a baby and the best start in life.
There are lots of people who cant or choose not to breast feed their children.
I dont want them to feel how i did, its only the last couple of years ive really gotten over it
It's awful that society has conditioned a mother to feel so bad about not breastfeeding. As I said above, centuries ago a child got most of it's nourishment from it's mother as they didn't have forumla and Sainsburys in those days, but today there are good healthy alternatives to breast milk and I really don't think it makes one iota of difference."
Having said that, once he was weened, i fed him on fish and chicken, he never once had a tin or jar of baby food. He had everything fresh. Although tiny he was always and still is very healthy apart from normal childhood illnesses |
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"I have a different take on this. The only thing ive ever really felt guilty about is the fact i couldnt breast feed my son. He was tube fed being premature. I spent 20 years carrying the guilt round. Now i know it may sound trivial to some, but breast feeding is always being promoted as the best thing for a baby and the best start in life.
There are lots of people who cant or choose not to breast feed their children.
I dont want them to feel how i did, its only the last couple of years ive really gotten over it
It's awful that society has conditioned a mother to feel so bad about not breastfeeding. As I said above, centuries ago a child got most of it's nourishment from it's mother as they didn't have forumla and Sainsburys in those days, but today there are good healthy alternatives to breast milk and I really don't think it makes one iota of difference.
Having said that, once he was weened, i fed him on fish and chicken, he never once had a tin or jar of baby food. He had everything fresh. Although tiny he was always and still is very healthy apart from normal childhood illnesses"
100% with you there! I wouldn't give my babies anything that I wouldn't eat! Would you eat a blended Sunday dinner? Yuk!!!
As soon as they were ready for solids that ate whatever we ate. |
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"was on the TV, i wasn't doll shopping
It's called a reborn they help parents with loss 
in what way does it help.... not knocking, just don't understand it"
5 years today I found my 7 week old lifeless he ad been taken by cotdeath my daughter 2 at time was very close to him and became depressed n I'll wouldn't eat ended on drips she then started self harming not a thing u wanna see a 3 yr old do
They wouldn't give her councilling as was too young too understand they said age 6 still self harming again nothing we cud do apart from staying awake with her day n night
Then a group heaven sent reborns funded her a reborn do u know from day 1 of her holding that baby reborn her self harm stopped her life changed
It gives u something to fill the gap that's empty my hubby thinks there scary but if it helps well he puts up with it
Some women who av lost a child av them made that look just like there child as helps them grieve |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"was on the TV, i wasn't doll shopping
It's called a reborn they help parents with loss
in what way does it help.... not knocking, just don't understand it
5 years today I found my 7 week old lifeless he ad been taken by cotdeath my daughter 2 at time was very close to him and became depressed n I'll wouldn't eat ended on drips she then started self harming not a thing u wanna see a 3 yr old do
They wouldn't give her councilling as was too young too understand they said age 6 still self harming again nothing we cud do apart from staying awake with her day n night
Then a group heaven sent reborns funded her a reborn do u know from day 1 of her holding that baby reborn her self harm stopped her life changed
It gives u something to fill the gap that's empty my hubby thinks there scary but if it helps well he puts up with it
Some women who av lost a child av them made that look just like there child as helps them grieve "
thank you for sharing |
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My ex is a breast feeding counsellor so I have had it hammered into me, breast is best. Bottle feeding in a western country is all very well, but in 3rd world countries it poses many problems, one of which is access to clean water, then you get companies like Nestle who pay nurses in 3rd world hospitals to promote formula to new mothers. The formula is provided free of charge while the mother is in hospital, once they leave, they have to buy it, most can't afford to buy the stuff, so they water (dirty water) it down to make it last longer. No wonder the infant mortality rate is so high. If these dolls help little children to understand and accept that breastfeeding is good, then I am all for it. People only think it's weird because so few women feed in public, thank God that's changing too! Women can and do breastfeed without causing a scene. To me, nothing more pleasing than a mother feeding her child. But that's my opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I beast fed all 7 of mine, and never hid it from the kids, so no surprise whrn feeding one of em , one of my daughters grabbed her doll and fed her baby,
I suppose its no different to the doll, |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I understand the concept of the doll, I understand the importance of nurturing children into adolescence and adulthood, I just don't understand why children aren't being allowed to be children, surely the doll should be aimed at an older market client. |
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"My ex is a breast feeding counsellor so I have had it hammered into me, breast is best. Bottle feeding in a western country is all very well, but in 3rd world countries it poses many problems, one of which is access to clean water, then you get companies like Nestle who pay nurses in 3rd world hospitals to promote formula to new mothers. The formula is provided free of charge while the mother is in hospital, once they leave, they have to buy it, most can't afford to buy the stuff, so they water (dirty water) it down to make it last longer. No wonder the infant mortality rate is so high. If these dolls help little children to understand and accept that breastfeeding is good, then I am all for it. People only think it's weird because so few women feed in public, thank God that's changing too! Women can and do breastfeed without causing a scene. To me, nothing more pleasing than a mother feeding her child. But that's my opinion."
I have mixed _iews on public feeding. I fed all mine in public as young babies, they keep nice and still but once they start moving around its tougher. I did carry on, my child's needs were greater than what other small minded people thought. I was always careful not to show anything and don't agree with women flopping it out for all to see. And I find it's these women that give others a bad name. Although I did take part in a mass breastfeed in the Trafford centre which was interesting with a 2 1/2yo lol
I will add that once she was old enough to understand I did make her wait till we were somewhere more private!
This country does need to be educated on extended bf though. It is the world average to wean between anywhere between 3 and 7, when milk teeth are lost. People here think anything over 6mths is to long.
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"I understand the concept of the doll, I understand the importance of nurturing children into adolescence and adulthood, I just don't understand why children aren't being allowed to be children, surely the doll should be aimed at an older market client."
I disagree. The younger the child the better. Besides I know very few girls that play with dolls past 7/8 nowadays.
Little girls copy what there mothers do, I see this doll no different to kitchen, cleaning or other doll role play which is all aimed at the same age group. |
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"I understand the concept of the doll, I understand the importance of nurturing children into adolescence and adulthood, I just don't understand why children aren't being allowed to be children, surely the doll should be aimed at an older market client.
I disagree. The younger the child the better. Besides I know very few girls that play with dolls past 7/8 nowadays.
Little girls copy what there mothers do, I see this doll no different to kitchen, cleaning or other doll role play which is all aimed at the same age group."
Point taken.
But where do the marketing people go from the breast feeding doll? |
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"I understand the concept of the doll, I understand the importance of nurturing children into adolescence and adulthood, I just don't understand why children aren't being allowed to be children, surely the doll should be aimed at an older market client.
I disagree. The younger the child the better. Besides I know very few girls that play with dolls past 7/8 nowadays.
Little girls copy what there mothers do, I see this doll no different to kitchen, cleaning or other doll role play which is all aimed at the same age group.
Point taken.
But where do the marketing people go from the breast feeding doll?"
I don't see where they can go? Everything else is on the market I think, even dolls that fill their nappies lol |
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My eldest used to pretend to b/feed her Tiny Tears when she was 2 as that's what she saw me doing to her younger brother, so she pretended to feed her 'baby', just as she pretended to change the nappy etc. She shoved her doll up her top once at the checkout in Tesco and the assistants thought it was a bit weird, to say the least - but she was just copying mum.
I think all 4 of mine are fairly on board with the concept and benefits of b/feeding, having fed all 4 and the last two until they were both 2y 10m. We're also involved with the nct, so they see it promoted there.
What one poster above said (wishy? - I can't remember now) about Nestle promoting bottle feeding in the 3rd world is sadly very true and some children end up sick or even dead from the dirty water
Back to the doll - I don't see why there needs to be a specific doll, as children will always copy what they see anyway, as my daughter did  |
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Also, another point, these dolls seem to be aimed at little girls as obviously men cant breast feed.
My son had mainly non gender specific toys. Well i let him have what he wanted. He had a kitchen and a doll, but he also had drills and hammers ect |
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"What one poster above said (wishy? - I can't remember now) about Nestle promoting bottle feeding in the 3rd world is sadly very true and some children end up sick or even dead from the dirty water "
It was Saffer who mentioned Nestle. Can't take the credit for someone else's good posting. Nestle are trying to build brand awareness in a place where breast milk cannot be relied upon to provide a baby with all it's nutritional needs, but, Nestle also have to take responsibility for seeing it through and giving free formula to mothers in certain places (like hospitals) but then charging them for formula once they leave hospital at levels they can't afford is a dereliction of that responsibility. Even if it was a loss maker, Nestle would still benefit from the enormous bragging rights of providing third-world mothers with free or next to free milk. I'm amazed their marketing people haven't spotted that already. |
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"I understand the concept of the doll, I understand the importance of nurturing children into adolescence and adulthood, I just don't understand why children aren't being allowed to be children, surely the doll should be aimed at an older market client.
I disagree. The younger the child the better. Besides I know very few girls that play with dolls past 7/8 nowadays.
Little girls copy what there mothers do, I see this doll no different to kitchen, cleaning or other doll role play which is all aimed at the same age group.
Point taken.
But where do the marketing people go from the breast feeding doll?
I don't see where they can go? Everything else is on the market I think, even dolls that fill their nappies lol"
How about a pissed up/ drugged up 'parent' doll that the kids can look after. 
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"These have been around for a few years. I'd rather mine played with this than a brats or babie dressed up like a 19yo!!!
I really don't see what all the fuss is about, breasts are for feeding first and playing second. People that see this as wrong really need to get a grip, it's the most natural thing and if this doll teaches that breasts are not primarily a sexual part of the body it gets my vote. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How about a pissed up/ drugged up 'parent' doll that the kids can look after.
(joke)"
Do you know what, that ain't such a bad idea if it shames the parents into taking responsibility. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How about a pissed up/ drugged up 'parent' doll that the kids can look after.
(joke)
Do you know what, that ain't such a bad idea if it shames the parents into taking responsibility."
It probably wouldn't, unfortunately. |
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Breast feeding might be best, but too much emphasis is put on it and some like myself can't for different reasons.
My son had to be partly fed with formula because he was 5lb 3oz and had to put on weight and we couldn't wait for breastfeeding to be established, after that I got too stressed which affected him so had to stop.
Women shouldn't be made to feel like a bad mother because they can't or won't. |
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"Breast feeding might be best, but too much emphasis is put on it and some like myself can't for different reasons.
My son had to be partly fed with formula because he was 5lb 3oz and had to put on weight and we couldn't wait for breastfeeding to be established, after that I got too stressed which affected him so had to stop.
Women shouldn't be made to feel like a bad mother because they can't or won't."
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"Breast feeding might be best, but too much emphasis is put on it and some like myself can't for different reasons.
My son had to be partly fed with formula because he was 5lb 3oz and had to put on weight and we couldn't wait for breastfeeding to be established, after that I got too stressed which affected him so had to stop.
Women shouldn't be made to feel like a bad mother because they can't or won't."
The midwives encouraged me in hospital, but also made it clear that it was my choice and that they would support me whichever choice I made. X |
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"Breast feeding might be best, but too much emphasis is put on it and some like myself can't for different reasons.
My son had to be partly fed with formula because he was 5lb 3oz and had to put on weight and we couldn't wait for breastfeeding to be established, after that I got too stressed which affected him so had to stop.
Women shouldn't be made to feel like a bad mother because they can't or won't."
Unfortunately it's all too common but your son will have been healthier with with a calm and relaxed mother bottelfeeding than a stressed and tired mother breastfeeding.
The same happened to my daughter in law. |
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"Breast feeding might be best, but too much emphasis is put on it and some like myself can't for different reasons.
My son had to be partly fed with formula because he was 5lb 3oz and had to put on weight and we couldn't wait for breastfeeding to be established, after that I got too stressed which affected him so had to stop.
Women shouldn't be made to feel like a bad mother because they can't or won't.
The midwives encouraged me in hospital, but also made it clear that it was my choice and that they would support me whichever choice I made. X"
Last time I gave birth I was disgusted to see that the midwives wouldnt show a mother how to mix formula
She told her to follow the instructions, but what if these were misinterpreted? |
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"The midwives encouraged me in hospital, but also made it clear that it was my choice and that they would support me whichever choice I made. X"
siren struggled with breast feeding the first few days after our son was born and I remember on the 2nd day home she was beside herself cos she couldn't get him to latch on. She was in tears and thought she must be an awful mother to not be able to do it, and I phoned the maternity unit for advice. They said come up and we'll give you some formula and a breast pump. When I got there they took me to the stockroom where there was dozens of different types of formula bottles and said, "We can't recommend a particular type but we can advise and the ones with the red caps are very good." I took a dozen bottles of the red and the breast pump. |
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"Last time I gave birth I was disgusted to see that the midwives wouldnt show a mother how to mix formula
She told her to follow the instructions, but what if these were misinterpreted?"
Compo culture gone mad I'd say. If the mother gets it wrong following the manufacturers instructions it's her own fault. If the nurse gets it wrong the hospital gets sued. |
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All three of my children were fed by me till they were about 12 months old.
My daughter used to climb up beside me and stick a dolly up her jumper when she saw me feeding her brother, she didn't really know what I was doing but it was natural to her.
She went on to breastfeed her own child too and was the only one in the hospital in Newcastle who was doing so.
She had the whole hospital breastfeeding team round her bed at one point! |
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