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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It's really frustrating to me that a lot of the plus size models used by high street fashion brands have the same kind of body: thick thighs, big perky boobs, big butt, but then FLAT STOMACH?! I don't even care about representing all types of bodies etc etc. Yes diversity is important, BUT, all I want is just to be able to accurately imagine how clothes will look on me instead of continuously wasting my time and money 
It's so annoying. I obviously buy the clothes based off how they look on the model (which is the entire point, I know) but it's such a giant waste of time then trying it on and finding it either clings or is too baggy in all the wrong places and having to return. Especially since brands like ASOS are now starting to blacklist customers who they feel return too much. Not to mention the carbon footprint that all this leaves behind.
Yes it's great that the modelling industry is becoming more inclusive and some of these plus size models are INSANELY gorgeous. But I still feel like there's only one type of plus size body fashion brands are looking for? When ironically it would probably help their returns margins to have people with all kinds of lumps and bumps modelling their clothes  |
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over a year ago
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I hear ya, OP. Most male models are gym fit hunks, and don’t represent my sadly deteriorating Dad bod at all.
But in terms of your post though, how would that work ?
Would every garment have to be modelled by every body type so that *everyone* can see what it would look like on someone with a similar figure / build as them?
I guess to a degree we have to extrapolate what it would look like on us. And hope that there’s a free returns service if it looks shite!  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I hear ya, OP. Most male models are gym fit hunks, and don’t represent my sadly deteriorating Dad bod at all.
But in terms of your post though, how would that work ?
Would every garment have to be modelled by every body type so that *everyone* can see what it would look like on someone with a similar figure / build as them?
I guess to a degree we have to extrapolate what it would look like on us. And hope that there’s a free returns service if it looks shite! "
I have seen brands such as PLT model garments side by side on different bodies when they're offered across multiple size ranges.
I get what you're saying, we can't have EVERY body, but at the moment 99% of models used are tall with flat stomachs. I think that literally just having shorter models with a more realistic fat distribution would make a world of difference. The only brand I can think of that currently has a truly inclusive range of models is Snag tights, and I've NEVER returned anything from them. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Not specifically relating to your point but where are the plus size models for men? It's not inclusive at all."
Idk I don't shop for men. I imagine it's a pain point across the entire industry though. |
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Follow curvy kate on Instagram OP. They use all sorts of models. Including a model called Natalie Amber who has a large abdominal scar from surgery and a previous stoma. She's another inspirational person to follow. |
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Was in Primark today; in the bra section they had a model who had the exact same body as me! Same rolls, same shape, same everything. It’s so wonderful to feel seen, but I’m 20, and that’s the only time I’ve ever seen a model like me in a mainstream store. Even Primark’s sizing is terrible (unfortunately my student budget doesn’t stretch much further). It’s 2022 and shops still can’t give us a decent plus size range. Or even just add plus sizes to their existing clothes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse"
Are you not getting enough attention at home? |
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse
Are you not getting enough attention at home? "
Plenty. I'm entitled to an opinion am I not??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse
Are you not getting enough attention at home?
Plenty. I'm entitled to an opinion am I not???"
Difference between an opinion and borderline body shaming; you knew what you said was disrespectful yet you went ahead and said it anyway. If you need attention ask for it. |
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By *ingo00Man
over a year ago
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On the male side of the fence we do seem to get plus size models that are fairly representative, even if it is only on the more specialist retailers
My gripe with clothing for people of my build is the obsession with 'slim fit' clothing. If I'm buying a shirt that big, I don't want it skin tight  |
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"I don't see why, online, we can't have a different image for each size when you go into an item and have the options list? That shouldn't be too difficult, surely?"
Some retailers do this actually. |
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By *riel13Woman
over a year ago
Northampton |
I have only ever seen proper fat girls, modelling clothes, on Killstar, a very niche market... I agree... I don't have a flat tummy or massive boobs/bum/thighs so nothing looks anywhere close on me, compared to the "plus size" models... I was actually ok with fat girls becoming fashionable but I am the wrong kinda fat for it to apply to me!  |
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse
Are you not getting enough attention at home?
Plenty. I'm entitled to an opinion am I not???
Difference between an opinion and borderline body shaming; you knew what you said was disrespectful yet you went ahead and said it anyway. If you need attention ask for it."
Mind reader are you???? Don't talk shite |
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse
Are you not getting enough attention at home?
Plenty. I'm entitled to an opinion am I not???
Difference between an opinion and borderline body shaming; you knew what you said was disrespectful yet you went ahead and said it anyway. If you need attention ask for it.
Mind reader are you???? Don't talk shite"
I am actually |
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse
Are you not getting enough attention at home?
Plenty. I'm entitled to an opinion am I not???
Difference between an opinion and borderline body shaming; you knew what you said was disrespectful yet you went ahead and said it anyway. If you need attention ask for it.
Mind reader are you???? Don't talk shite
I am actually "
In an attempt to placate the issue, I simply prefer a slimmer model |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"On the male side of the fence we do seem to get plus size models that are fairly representative, even if it is only on the more specialist retailers
My gripe with clothing for people of my build is the obsession with 'slim fit' clothing. If I'm buying a shirt that big, I don't want it skin tight "
Slim fit and skinny fit needs to be binned off. I have massive muscular calves and can’t wear anything like that. I still buy second hand Levi 569’s from eBay because little else fits |
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"On the male side of the fence we do seem to get plus size models that are fairly representative, even if it is only on the more specialist retailers
My gripe with clothing for people of my build is the obsession with 'slim fit' clothing. If I'm buying a shirt that big, I don't want it skin tight
Slim fit and skinny fit needs to be binned off. I have massive muscular calves and can’t wear anything like that. I still buy second hand Levi 569’s from eBay because little else fits"
Noooooooooo! Mr KC needs slim/skinny fit, with a slim waist and mega long legs. Non-linear fit look like clown trousers  |
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By *ingo00Man
over a year ago
Cowley |
"On the male side of the fence we do seem to get plus size models that are fairly representative, even if it is only on the more specialist retailers
My gripe with clothing for people of my build is the obsession with 'slim fit' clothing. If I'm buying a shirt that big, I don't want it skin tight
Slim fit and skinny fit needs to be binned off. I have massive muscular calves and can’t wear anything like that. I still buy second hand Levi 569’s from eBay because little else fits
Noooooooooo! Mr KC needs slim/skinny fit, with a slim waist and mega long legs. Non-linear fit look like clown trousers "
Looking at your pics I can see how those fits would suit, however for the sizes needed for the more 'fluffy' amongst us it seems to be a bit of an oxymoron !
I'm with the OP though, more representative modelling, particularly online would be good. But that would cost I guess |
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"On the male side of the fence we do seem to get plus size models that are fairly representative, even if it is only on the more specialist retailers
My gripe with clothing for people of my build is the obsession with 'slim fit' clothing. If I'm buying a shirt that big, I don't want it skin tight
Slim fit and skinny fit needs to be binned off. I have massive muscular calves and can’t wear anything like that. I still buy second hand Levi 569’s from eBay because little else fits
Noooooooooo! Mr KC needs slim/skinny fit, with a slim waist and mega long legs. Non-linear fit look like clown trousers
Looking at your pics I can see how those fits would suit, however for the sizes needed for the more 'fluffy' amongst us it seems to be a bit of an oxymoron !
I'm with the OP though, more representative modelling, particularly online would be good. But that would cost I guess "
Non-linear?! Fuck knows what autocarrot was doing there! *Non-slim fit* look like clown trousers on him!
There should be a greater range of sizes and cuts based on body shape, not fashion, I agree.
My personal bugbear is a lack of clothing at affordable prices, adapted for seated people such as wheelchair users. Lots of trousers are horribly uncomfortable to wear as a wheelchair user, but adaptive clothing is SUPER expensive! |
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By *ingo00Man
over a year ago
Cowley |
"On the male side of the fence we do seem to get plus size models that are fairly representative, even if it is only on the more specialist retailers
My gripe with clothing for people of my build is the obsession with 'slim fit' clothing. If I'm buying a shirt that big, I don't want it skin tight
Slim fit and skinny fit needs to be binned off. I have massive muscular calves and can’t wear anything like that. I still buy second hand Levi 569’s from eBay because little else fits
Noooooooooo! Mr KC needs slim/skinny fit, with a slim waist and mega long legs. Non-linear fit look like clown trousers
Looking at your pics I can see how those fits would suit, however for the sizes needed for the more 'fluffy' amongst us it seems to be a bit of an oxymoron !
I'm with the OP though, more representative modelling, particularly online would be good. But that would cost I guess
Non-linear?! Fuck knows what autocarrot was doing there! *Non-slim fit* look like clown trousers on him!
There should be a greater range of sizes and cuts based on body shape, not fashion, I agree.
My personal bugbear is a lack of clothing at affordable prices, adapted for seated people such as wheelchair users. Lots of trousers are horribly uncomfortable to wear as a wheelchair user, but adaptive clothing is SUPER expensive! "
I can imagine the frustration at that, I understand the economics behind specialist items being lower volume and more expensive, but from a corporate responsibility point of view you would have thought one of the big players could take a bit of a haircut on profits to benefit those can't just buy off the peg |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse
Are you not getting enough attention at home?
Plenty. I'm entitled to an opinion am I not???
Difference between an opinion and borderline body shaming; you knew what you said was disrespectful yet you went ahead and said it anyway. If you need attention ask for it.
Mind reader are you???? Don't talk shite
I am actually
In an attempt to placate the issue, I simply prefer a slimmer model "
You have really misunderstood the context of this thread. This is about clothing models. Clothing models are not there to please you but to inform people about how clothing looks when worn.
This thread is talking about the difficulties of buying clothing if you have a body that isnt represented in the mainstream. Many people are sharing their personal experiences of this.
In this context, your comments can be read as criticising those people who have bodies that are different to the ones you prefer.
Therefore, in this context, I read your comments as body shaming.
Context, context, context.
Here endeth the lesson. Praise be to context  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse
Are you not getting enough attention at home?
Plenty. I'm entitled to an opinion am I not???
Difference between an opinion and borderline body shaming; you knew what you said was disrespectful yet you went ahead and said it anyway. If you need attention ask for it.
Mind reader are you???? Don't talk shite
I am actually
In an attempt to placate the issue, I simply prefer a slimmer model
You have really misunderstood the context of this thread. This is about clothing models. Clothing models are not there to please you but to inform people about how clothing looks when worn.
This thread is talking about the difficulties of buying clothing if you have a body that isnt represented in the mainstream. Many people are sharing their personal experiences of this.
In this context, your comments can be read as criticising those people who have bodies that are different to the ones you prefer.
Therefore, in this context, I read your comments as body shaming.
Context, context, context.
Here endeth the lesson. Praise be to context "
Thanks for saying what I couldn't be bothered to  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I have only ever seen proper fat girls, modelling clothes, on Killstar, a very niche market... I agree... I don't have a flat tummy or massive boobs/bum/thighs so nothing looks anywhere close on me, compared to the "plus size" models... I was actually ok with fat girls becoming fashionable but I am the wrong kinda fat for it to apply to me! "
Just had a look at Killstar... Their representation is fantastic unfortunately not my style of clothing though.
And I definitely agree with you. I feel like the mainstream only likes fat women if they still have that curvy hourglass shape; everything thicc but the stomach flat. Basically just like if normal sized women had wider hips and thighs |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Follow curvy kate on Instagram OP. They use all sorts of models. Including a model called Natalie Amber who has a large abdominal scar from surgery and a previous stoma. She's another inspirational person to follow. "
Thanks for that, their insta looks beautifully diverse! Shame they haven't used any of those models on their website, but I guess with bras you kinda know that your boobs will look like boobs, it's more about comfort. I do like CK though, I have one of their babydolls |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Was in Primark today; in the bra section they had a model who had the exact same body as me! Same rolls, same shape, same everything. It’s so wonderful to feel seen, but I’m 20, and that’s the only time I’ve ever seen a model like me in a mainstream store. Even Primark’s sizing is terrible (unfortunately my student budget doesn’t stretch much further). It’s 2022 and shops still can’t give us a decent plus size range. Or even just add plus sizes to their existing clothes. "
Ah Primark pisses me off. I swear their sizing changes on a fucking daily basis
Yeah I went actual high street shopping for the first time post-pandemic a few months ago and was so disappointed at how many stores have moved their plus size ranges to online only. Why do we not get to try things on like everyone else?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse
Are you not getting enough attention at home?
Plenty. I'm entitled to an opinion am I not???
Difference between an opinion and borderline body shaming; you knew what you said was disrespectful yet you went ahead and said it anyway. If you need attention ask for it.
Mind reader are you???? Don't talk shite
I am actually
In an attempt to placate the issue, I simply prefer a slimmer model
You have really misunderstood the context of this thread. This is about clothing models. Clothing models are not there to please you but to inform people about how clothing looks when worn.
This thread is talking about the difficulties of buying clothing if you have a body that isnt represented in the mainstream. Many people are sharing their personal experiences of this.
In this context, your comments can be read as criticising those people who have bodies that are different to the ones you prefer.
Therefore, in this context, I read your comments as body shaming.
Context, context, context.
Here endeth the lesson. Praise be to context
Thanks for saying what I couldn't be bothered to "
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Welcome to the club, it's just one of them things.
Male models are usually mega tall and slim, they always seem to wear mediums. Medium !
Or they're massive and they're in xxl. There's no in between.
I have never looked at how the model is wearing the outfit, I just look at the clothes and see if I like them. They try them on and see how the fit is.
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse
Are you not getting enough attention at home?
Plenty. I'm entitled to an opinion am I not???
Difference between an opinion and borderline body shaming; you knew what you said was disrespectful yet you went ahead and said it anyway. If you need attention ask for it.
Mind reader are you???? Don't talk shite
I am actually
In an attempt to placate the issue, I simply prefer a slimmer model
You have really misunderstood the context of this thread. This is about clothing models. Clothing models are not there to please you but to inform people about how clothing looks when worn.
This thread is talking about the difficulties of buying clothing if you have a body that isnt represented in the mainstream. Many people are sharing their personal experiences of this.
In this context, your comments can be read as criticising those people who have bodies that are different to the ones you prefer.
Therefore, in this context, I read your comments as body shaming.
Context, context, context.
Here endeth the lesson. Praise be to context "
Sorry for the tangent, but "praise be to context" is my new favourite saying. Stealing it for sure. |
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It’s a constant battle and even though I’m a really average size 12, I still can’t just order something easily. I’m neither the willowy model type nor am I anything like a curvy plus size model either so definitely not represented at all!
It’s going in the right direction though, at least some high street stores are trying (river island & new look for example) to use models with different body types  |
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"Was in Primark today; in the bra section they had a model who had the exact same body as me! Same rolls, same shape, same everything. It’s so wonderful to feel seen, but I’m 20, and that’s the only time I’ve ever seen a model like me in a mainstream store. Even Primark’s sizing is terrible (unfortunately my student budget doesn’t stretch much further). It’s 2022 and shops still can’t give us a decent plus size range. Or even just add plus sizes to their existing clothes.
Ah Primark pisses me off. I swear their sizing changes on a fucking daily basis
Yeah I went actual high street shopping for the first time post-pandemic a few months ago and was so disappointed at how many stores have moved their plus size ranges to online only. Why do we not get to try things on like everyone else??"
Literally!! Or they have a dozen smalls, but only 1 or 2 16+ sizes. It’s ridiculous. It’s like they want fat people to just simply have no clothes? And even their plus size ranges are quite…strange. I’m 20; I want to dress like my peers!
I got a cropped top today in primark for £3.50 and I absolutely love it; it’s nice to have something that I know will fit in with my friends as opposed to an oversized baggy t shirt with a random French word slapped onto it.
I wrote an article recently about this topic- to sum it up I basically wrote about how my femininity is often told to be hidden; as if society has deemed my fat body an ungodly sight to see. It’s ridiculous; plus size people should be able to have nice, decent clothes!
Ironically, the only place that does seem to do decent clothes is SHEIN. Love their plus size stuff. |
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"Not specifically relating to your point but where are the plus size models for men? It's not inclusive at all."
When I was a kid, most male models looked 40+ or even 50+ and *wealthy*. It was all about status, not beauty or hotness. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Welcome to the club, it's just one of them things.
Male models are usually mega tall and slim, they always seem to wear mediums. Medium !
Or they're massive and they're in xxl. There's no in between.
I have never looked at how the model is wearing the outfit, I just look at the clothes and see if I like them. They try them on and see how the fit is.
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Yeah I don't trust the "this model is wearing size xyz" thing. It's just not believable. Also I've seen behind the scenes videos of too-big clothes being clipped and tailored to make them fit tighter on the models.
I mean I do have an understanding of the types of cuts and styles that will suit me, but I do still rely on the photos for an idea of overall look, length and fit. I remember at the start of the pandemic when a lot of places stopped doing shoots and just had photos of the clothes on a hanger. It made it really hard to try and envisage what they would look like on. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Not specifically relating to your point but where are the plus size models for men? It's not inclusive at all.
When I was a kid, most male models looked 40+ or even 50+ and *wealthy*. It was all about status, not beauty or hotness."
The ones in the Freemans catalogue, pointing to something in the distance. |
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"Not specifically relating to your point but where are the plus size models for men? It's not inclusive at all.
When I was a kid, most male models looked 40+ or even 50+ and *wealthy*. It was all about status, not beauty or hotness.
The ones in the Freemans catalogue, pointing to something in the distance. "
My favourite were the ones on the knitting patterns in the fifties |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Op says we need less modelly models. I want to see more glamour model figures and less stick insects. Cue the abuse
Are you not getting enough attention at home?
Plenty. I'm entitled to an opinion am I not???
Difference between an opinion and borderline body shaming; you knew what you said was disrespectful yet you went ahead and said it anyway. If you need attention ask for it.
Mind reader are you???? Don't talk shite
I am actually
In an attempt to placate the issue, I simply prefer a slimmer model
You have really misunderstood the context of this thread. This is about clothing models. Clothing models are not there to please you but to inform people about how clothing looks when worn.
This thread is talking about the difficulties of buying clothing if you have a body that isnt represented in the mainstream. Many people are sharing their personal experiences of this.
In this context, your comments can be read as criticising those people who have bodies that are different to the ones you prefer.
Therefore, in this context, I read your comments as body shaming.
Context, context, context.
Here endeth the lesson. Praise be to context
Sorry for the tangent, but "praise be to context" is my new favourite saying. Stealing it for sure."
*Preens and gives a fancy little bow*
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Not specifically relating to your point but where are the plus size models for men? It's not inclusive at all.
When I was a kid, most male models looked 40+ or even 50+ and *wealthy*. It was all about status, not beauty or hotness.
The ones in the Freemans catalogue, pointing to something in the distance.
My favourite were the ones on the knitting patterns in the fifties "
They haven't changed much |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Was in Primark today; in the bra section they had a model who had the exact same body as me! Same rolls, same shape, same everything. It’s so wonderful to feel seen, but I’m 20, and that’s the only time I’ve ever seen a model like me in a mainstream store. Even Primark’s sizing is terrible (unfortunately my student budget doesn’t stretch much further). It’s 2022 and shops still can’t give us a decent plus size range. Or even just add plus sizes to their existing clothes.
Ah Primark pisses me off. I swear their sizing changes on a fucking daily basis
Yeah I went actual high street shopping for the first time post-pandemic a few months ago and was so disappointed at how many stores have moved their plus size ranges to online only. Why do we not get to try things on like everyone else??
Literally!! Or they have a dozen smalls, but only 1 or 2 16+ sizes. It’s ridiculous. It’s like they want fat people to just simply have no clothes? And even their plus size ranges are quite…strange. I’m 20; I want to dress like my peers!
I got a cropped top today in primark for £3.50 and I absolutely love it; it’s nice to have something that I know will fit in with my friends as opposed to an oversized baggy t shirt with a random French word slapped onto it.
I wrote an article recently about this topic- to sum it up I basically wrote about how my femininity is often told to be hidden; as if society has deemed my fat body an ungodly sight to see. It’s ridiculous; plus size people should be able to have nice, decent clothes!
Ironically, the only place that does seem to do decent clothes is SHEIN. Love their plus size stuff. "
Yesss and then all the sizes are on the bloody wrong hangers!! Or the way they say "we go up to a size 24" but what they really mean is "we MIGHT have a size 22-24 crop top that MIGHT cover one of your titties in stock if you're lucky".
I have ordered from SHEIN a fair few times. I like their wide range of styles and choices, and I LOVE that they let customers upload images as well as their height and weight stats. I mainly decide based off the photo reviews rather than their own model photos tbh. I just don't like that I'm taking a chance on their lingerie each time as it's non refundable. Although to be fair it does usually end up getting used
The only thing I'd say is I immediately nix anything polyester, which cuts out a LOT of what they offer. |
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"Not specifically relating to your point but where are the plus size models for men? It's not inclusive at all.
When I was a kid, most male models looked 40+ or even 50+ and *wealthy*. It was all about status, not beauty or hotness.
The ones in the Freemans catalogue, pointing to something in the distance.
My favourite were the ones on the knitting patterns in the fifties
They haven't changed much "
I probably haven't seen a knitting pattern since the fifties  |
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"Not specifically relating to your point but where are the plus size models for men? It's not inclusive at all.
When I was a kid, most male models looked 40+ or even 50+ and *wealthy*. It was all about status, not beauty or hotness.
The ones in the Freemans catalogue, pointing to something in the distance.
My favourite were the ones on the knitting patterns in the fifties
They haven't changed much
I probably haven't seen a knitting pattern since the fifties "
*puts down vintage lace crochet pattern and pretends to be young again*
Um... Yeah.. Ahem, what's a patt-ern?  |
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"Not specifically relating to your point but where are the plus size models for men? It's not inclusive at all.
When I was a kid, most male models looked 40+ or even 50+ and *wealthy*. It was all about status, not beauty or hotness.
The ones in the Freemans catalogue, pointing to something in the distance.
My favourite were the ones on the knitting patterns in the fifties
They haven't changed much
I probably haven't seen a knitting pattern since the fifties
*puts down vintage lace crochet pattern and pretends to be young again*
Um... Yeah.. Ahem, what's a patt-ern? "
Do you make crochet lace? I made a beautiful (if I do say so myself) circular table cloth from a vintage pattern. |
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"Not specifically relating to your point but where are the plus size models for men? It's not inclusive at all.
When I was a kid, most male models looked 40+ or even 50+ and *wealthy*. It was all about status, not beauty or hotness.
The ones in the Freemans catalogue, pointing to something in the distance.
My favourite were the ones on the knitting patterns in the fifties
They haven't changed much
I probably haven't seen a knitting pattern since the fifties
*puts down vintage lace crochet pattern and pretends to be young again*
Um... Yeah.. Ahem, what's a patt-ern?
Do you make crochet lace? I made a beautiful (if I do say so myself) circular table cloth from a vintage pattern. "
Ooh that sounds beautiful!
No I only really crochet with DK or aran, but I was interested in trying to make lace doilies to sell so have followed a couple of patterns with some sport weight yarn I had knocking about for practice. I've made some banging aran blankets though, if I do say so myself |
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"Was in Primark today; in the bra section they had a model who had the exact same body as me! Same rolls, same shape, same everything. It’s so wonderful to feel seen, but I’m 20, and that’s the only time I’ve ever seen a model like me in a mainstream store. Even Primark’s sizing is terrible (unfortunately my student budget doesn’t stretch much further). It’s 2022 and shops still can’t give us a decent plus size range. Or even just add plus sizes to their existing clothes.
Ah Primark pisses me off. I swear their sizing changes on a fucking daily basis
Yeah I went actual high street shopping for the first time post-pandemic a few months ago and was so disappointed at how many stores have moved their plus size ranges to online only. Why do we not get to try things on like everyone else??
Literally!! Or they have a dozen smalls, but only 1 or 2 16+ sizes. It’s ridiculous. It’s like they want fat people to just simply have no clothes? And even their plus size ranges are quite…strange. I’m 20; I want to dress like my peers!
I got a cropped top today in primark for £3.50 and I absolutely love it; it’s nice to have something that I know will fit in with my friends as opposed to an oversized baggy t shirt with a random French word slapped onto it.
I wrote an article recently about this topic- to sum it up I basically wrote about how my femininity is often told to be hidden; as if society has deemed my fat body an ungodly sight to see. It’s ridiculous; plus size people should be able to have nice, decent clothes!
Ironically, the only place that does seem to do decent clothes is SHEIN. Love their plus size stuff. "
Come on, of course it's not that they don't want fat people to have no clothes. It's just business. There's no point making 200 plus size garments so they can have 5 pieces in each branch when they are only going to sell a total of 4 across all their stores.
Better to just make 5 total and keep them available centrally on the internet.
Less waste for the environment and keeps costs and therefore prices down too. |
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"Was in Primark today; in the bra section they had a model who had the exact same body as me! Same rolls, same shape, same everything. It’s so wonderful to feel seen, but I’m 20, and that’s the only time I’ve ever seen a model like me in a mainstream store. Even Primark’s sizing is terrible (unfortunately my student budget doesn’t stretch much further). It’s 2022 and shops still can’t give us a decent plus size range. Or even just add plus sizes to their existing clothes.
Ah Primark pisses me off. I swear their sizing changes on a fucking daily basis
Yeah I went actual high street shopping for the first time post-pandemic a few months ago and was so disappointed at how many stores have moved their plus size ranges to online only. Why do we not get to try things on like everyone else??
Literally!! Or they have a dozen smalls, but only 1 or 2 16+ sizes. It’s ridiculous. It’s like they want fat people to just simply have no clothes? And even their plus size ranges are quite…strange. I’m 20; I want to dress like my peers!
I got a cropped top today in primark for £3.50 and I absolutely love it; it’s nice to have something that I know will fit in with my friends as opposed to an oversized baggy t shirt with a random French word slapped onto it.
I wrote an article recently about this topic- to sum it up I basically wrote about how my femininity is often told to be hidden; as if society has deemed my fat body an ungodly sight to see. It’s ridiculous; plus size people should be able to have nice, decent clothes!
Ironically, the only place that does seem to do decent clothes is SHEIN. Love their plus size stuff.
Come on, of course it's not that they don't want fat people to have no clothes. It's just business. There's no point making 200 plus size garments so they can have 5 pieces in each branch when they are only going to sell a total of 4 across all their stores.
Better to just make 5 total and keep them available centrally on the internet.
Less waste for the environment and keeps costs and therefore prices down too. "
I appreciate the point you are trying to make, but you have some facts a little skew-whif. Let me help you out
The average dress size for women in the uk is now 16. Where "Plus size" starts is a bit of a grey area, but most people put it at around 18/20.
Therefore, a significant minority of women could be classed as "plus size". Its a lot of people.
There is research showing that clothing options are much worse for people who are size 16 or higher compared to those who are size 10-14. Not only is there less availability of plus sized clothes, they are also often badly designed, little more than scaled-up versions of the smaller sizes.
In addition, people with bodies of all sizes who do not fit into the stereotypical beauty ideal (tall, hourglass etc.) can struggle to find clothes that take into account their needs.
So thats most women really.
Its a big problem that is gradually improving as people dwmand more equality in this area and retailers cotton on to the huge demand for diverse clothing. But there is still a long way to go!
Hope that was clarifying
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Urgh don’t even get me started!
I’m on a “weight loss journey” (yea I know that sounds cringe but you know what I mean), trying to find clothes that fit and don’t cost a fortune (cos hopefully won’t need that size for long) is murder!
Bras for larger sizes are awful looking granny things UNLESS you pay a fortune
“Normal” clothes seem to be designed to assume that if you’re fat you’re trying to be as invisible/insignificant as possible - fuck that! I want to to wear fun, fashionable, glamorous clothes for all occasions and venues why should I not be able to because I am fat?
Surely my money is just as good as slimmer peoples?
Then there is the nonsense of womens clothes not having standardised sizing - you can be a 16 in not only one shop, but one particular style of T shirt in the SAME shop and a size 20 in another style!
Also as earlier poster said height! I’m 5’2” and skirts dresses don’t sit at the same point on the leg as on the model. Maxi styled drag on the floor and trip me up! Trousers almost always have to be shortened! Which is an additional expense/effort, strappy items often sit too long from shoulder to underarm or even breast making them in some cases obscenely low cut and impossible to alter.
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It's the same with height, all these models are tall so look diffferent than someone who's under 5 foot like me. Just try things on and work around your shape, it's easier than online shopping that's a nightmare! |
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"Urgh don’t even get me started!
I’m on a “weight loss journey” (yea I know that sounds cringe but you know what I mean), trying to find clothes that fit and don’t cost a fortune (cos hopefully won’t need that size for long) is murder!
Bras for larger sizes are awful looking granny things UNLESS you pay a fortune
“Normal” clothes seem to be designed to assume that if you’re fat you’re trying to be as invisible/insignificant as possible - fuck that! I want to to wear fun, fashionable, glamorous clothes for all occasions and venues why should I not be able to because I am fat?
Surely my money is just as good as slimmer peoples?
Then there is the nonsense of womens clothes not having standardised sizing - you can be a 16 in not only one shop, but one particular style of T shirt in the SAME shop and a size 20 in another style!
Also as earlier poster said height! I’m 5’2” and skirts dresses don’t sit at the same point on the leg as on the model. Maxi styled drag on the floor and trip me up! Trousers almost always have to be shortened! Which is an additional expense/effort, strappy items often sit too long from shoulder to underarm or even breast making them in some cases obscenely low cut and impossible to alter.
Infuriating "
I have issues buying clothes because I'm small and standard sizes are too big, I can't shop in the kid section because I'm not short, so I completely understand your frustrations on not getting clothes that fit well but disagree that slimmer people have it easier, there's lots of plus size specialist websites now with on trend clothes, where as you look for sizes 4 and under and its berated for encouraging eating disorders or finding sexy lingerie is impossible because I have tiny tits and nothing looks right! |
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Personally, I don’t think it’s unfair to want every single body type and size represented by fashion companies. That’s not too big an ask is it?
Every height, every weight, every dimension, in every outfit
All so the consumer doesn’t have to, god forbid, trying something on
Seems reasonable |
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"Was in Primark today; in the bra section they had a model who had the exact same body as me! Same rolls, same shape, same everything. It’s so wonderful to feel seen, but I’m 20, and that’s the only time I’ve ever seen a model like me in a mainstream store. Even Primark’s sizing is terrible (unfortunately my student budget doesn’t stretch much further). It’s 2022 and shops still can’t give us a decent plus size range. Or even just add plus sizes to their existing clothes. "
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"Personally, I don’t think it’s unfair to want every single body type and size represented by fashion companies. That’s not too big an ask is it?
Every height, every weight, every dimension, in every outfit
All so the consumer doesn’t have to, god forbid, trying something on
Seems reasonable "
How di you try things on when they keep the "plus size" range online only, as is increasingly happening, yet companies like ASOS limit how many returns a customer can do? Online means needing to be home on a completely random day or having to trek to the Post Office depot during its (limited) opening hours, rather than being able to choose your outfit in a shopping mall on Saturday afternoon. |
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"It's really frustrating to me that a lot of the plus size models used by high street fashion brands have the same kind of body: thick thighs, big perky boobs, big butt, but then FLAT STOMACH?! I don't even care about representing all types of bodies etc etc. Yes diversity is important, BUT, all I want is just to be able to accurately imagine how clothes will look on me instead of continuously wasting my time and money
It's so annoying. I obviously buy the clothes based off how they look on the model (which is the entire point, I know) but it's such a giant waste of time then trying it on and finding it either clings or is too baggy in all the wrong places and having to return. Especially since brands like ASOS are now starting to blacklist customers who they feel return too much. Not to mention the carbon footprint that all this leaves behind.
Yes it's great that the modelling industry is becoming more inclusive and some of these plus size models are INSANELY gorgeous. But I still feel like there's only one type of plus size body fashion brands are looking for? When ironically it would probably help their returns margins to have people with all kinds of lumps and bumps modelling their clothes "
There used to be these places called shops... Amazing places... They had stuff you could try on in places called changing rooms with mirrors and everything... Never catch on though. |
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"Personally, I don’t think it’s unfair to want every single body type and size represented by fashion companies. That’s not too big an ask is it?
Every height, every weight, every dimension, in every outfit
All so the consumer doesn’t have to, god forbid, trying something on
Seems reasonable
How di you try things on when they keep the "plus size" range online only, as is increasingly happening, yet companies like ASOS limit how many returns a customer can do? Online means needing to be home on a completely random day or having to trek to the Post Office depot during its (limited) opening hours, rather than being able to choose your outfit in a shopping mall on Saturday afternoon. "
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I wonder how long it will be before all clothes are personalised.
Imagine you go in a 3d scanner and your whole body is scanned into a 3d avatar.
Then when you're shopping online you submit the avatar and the clothes are tailored to your body and you can get 3d rendered previews of exactly how it will fit. Maybe even adjust bits you don't like.
I reckon it'll be doable in the next 25 years. |
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"Personally, I don’t think it’s unfair to want every single body type and size represented by fashion companies. That’s not too big an ask is it?
Every height, every weight, every dimension, in every outfit
All so the consumer doesn’t have to, god forbid, trying something on
Seems reasonable
How di you try things on when they keep the "plus size" range online only, as is increasingly happening, yet companies like ASOS limit how many returns a customer can do? Online means needing to be home on a completely random day or having to trek to the Post Office depot during its (limited) opening hours, rather than being able to choose your outfit in a shopping mall on Saturday afternoon.
Really showing my “regular sized human” privilege there "
Mr KC has a similar issue. All the "extra long" with 32" waist trousers are online only too. |
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"Personally, I don’t think it’s unfair to want every single body type and size represented by fashion companies. That’s not too big an ask is it?
Every height, every weight, every dimension, in every outfit
All so the consumer doesn’t have to, god forbid, trying something on
Seems reasonable
How di you try things on when they keep the "plus size" range online only, as is increasingly happening, yet companies like ASOS limit how many returns a customer can do? Online means needing to be home on a completely random day or having to trek to the Post Office depot during its (limited) opening hours, rather than being able to choose your outfit in a shopping mall on Saturday afternoon. "
It's legit embarrassing when delivery drivers start knowing your life story and shopkeepers/PO clerks know you're there to make a return as soon as you enter  |
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"Personally, I don’t think it’s unfair to want every single body type and size represented by fashion companies. That’s not too big an ask is it?
Every height, every weight, every dimension, in every outfit
All so the consumer doesn’t have to, god forbid, trying something on
Seems reasonable
How di you try things on when they keep the "plus size" range online only, as is increasingly happening, yet companies like ASOS limit how many returns a customer can do? Online means needing to be home on a completely random day or having to trek to the Post Office depot during its (limited) opening hours, rather than being able to choose your outfit in a shopping mall on Saturday afternoon.
Really showing my “regular sized human” privilege there
Mr KC has a similar issue. All the "extra long" with 32" waist trousers are online only too. "
Whatever happened to "I'll check the stock room for you"? |
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By *ingo00Man
over a year ago
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"Personally, I don’t think it’s unfair to want every single body type and size represented by fashion companies. That’s not too big an ask is it?
Every height, every weight, every dimension, in every outfit
All so the consumer doesn’t have to, god forbid, trying something on
Seems reasonable
How di you try things on when they keep the "plus size" range online only, as is increasingly happening, yet companies like ASOS limit how many returns a customer can do? Online means needing to be home on a completely random day or having to trek to the Post Office depot during its (limited) opening hours, rather than being able to choose your outfit in a shopping mall on Saturday afternoon.
It's legit embarrassing when delivery drivers start knowing your life story and shopkeepers/PO clerks know you're there to make a return as soon as you enter "
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The whole industry is largely aimed at projection of image via perception, making money and design persuasions that are outdated compared to the reality of both health and the various body shapes and sizes of all.
I think it’s the same for many - I typically stick with a handful of brands / labels I know and like as I can trust the sizes I purchase (though even they differ greatly sometimes).
I suppose another challenge is the label - simply put, some labels will never use plus size models. Others will, and others aim their sales market at a broad range to attract those buyers too. I agree with you OP, there is a challenge for some to have models reflect all body types and heights etc. I have never really used models or mannequins etc when buying clothes, I can see how it would be frustrating. |
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"It's really frustrating to me that a lot of the plus size models used by high street fashion brands have the same kind of body: thick thighs, big perky boobs, big butt, but then FLAT STOMACH?!
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Yes it's great that the modelling industry is becoming more inclusive and some of these plus size models are INSANELY gorgeous. But I still feel like there's only one type of plus size body fashion brands are looking for?
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I think more shops should do what Chiquelle has done
It’s a Swedish clothing store
They have a awesome app
Only on iOS it’s called Chiquelle Style AR
It basically allows you to crate a life like model off your selfs
By putting in your how tall you are bra size age and wight and clothing size
Then it generates a ai model off you and then
You can browse they store and put the clothes on the model to see how they would look
Never seen any other shop do this
Think it definitely be a good thing for shops to start things like it
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"It's really frustrating to me that a lot of the plus size models used by high street fashion brands have the same kind of body: thick thighs, big perky boobs, big butt, but then FLAT STOMACH?! I don't even care about representing all types of bodies etc etc. Yes diversity is important, BUT, all I want is just to be able to accurately imagine how clothes will look on me instead of continuously wasting my time and money
It's so annoying. I obviously buy the clothes based off how they look on the model (which is the entire point, I know) but it's such a giant waste of time then trying it on and finding it either clings or is too baggy in all the wrong places and having to return. Especially since brands like ASOS are now starting to blacklist customers who they feel return too much. Not to mention the carbon footprint that all this leaves behind.
Yes it's great that the modelling industry is becoming more inclusive and some of these plus size models are INSANELY gorgeous. But I still feel like there's only one type of plus size body fashion brands are looking for? When ironically it would probably help their returns margins to have people with all kinds of lumps and bumps modelling their clothes
There used to be these places called shops... Amazing places... They had stuff you could try on in places called changing rooms with mirrors and everything... Never catch on though. "
Most fashion chains don't stock much plus-sized clothing in-store and the ones who do sell out of the 18-22 sizes quickly.
Unless you want a baggy t-shirt and leggings. |
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"On the male side of the fence we do seem to get plus size models that are fairly representative, even if it is only on the more specialist retailers
My gripe with clothing for people of my build is the obsession with 'slim fit' clothing. If I'm buying a shirt that big, I don't want it skin tight
Slim fit and skinny fit needs to be binned off. I have massive muscular calves and can’t wear anything like that. I still buy second hand Levi 569’s from eBay because little else fits"
I love skinny jeans but struggle to buy any because I have slim/muscular legs, that apparently only belong on someone alot slimmer in the waist... If I buy to fit my waist and stomach, more often than not, I may aswell have bought straigh leg or mum jeans(or whatever they are called) ... And I don't want those |
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"Personally, I don’t think it’s unfair to want every single body type and size represented by fashion companies. That’s not too big an ask is it?
Every height, every weight, every dimension, in every outfit
All so the consumer doesn’t have to, god forbid, trying something on
Seems reasonable
How di you try things on when they keep the "plus size" range online only, as is increasingly happening, yet companies like ASOS limit how many returns a customer can do? Online means needing to be home on a completely random day or having to trek to the Post Office depot during its (limited) opening hours, rather than being able to choose your outfit in a shopping mall on Saturday afternoon.
Really showing my “regular sized human” privilege there
Mr KC has a similar issue. All the "extra long" with 32" waist trousers are online only too.
Whatever happened to "I'll check the stock room for you"? "
I used to have to do that when I worked at Matalan as a student. It translates as "we don't have it in your size, soz." |
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"Personally, I don’t think it’s unfair to want every single body type and size represented by fashion companies. That’s not too big an ask is it?
Every height, every weight, every dimension, in every outfit
All so the consumer doesn’t have to, god forbid, trying something on
Seems reasonable
How di you try things on when they keep the "plus size" range online only, as is increasingly happening, yet companies like ASOS limit how many returns a customer can do? Online means needing to be home on a completely random day or having to trek to the Post Office depot during its (limited) opening hours, rather than being able to choose your outfit in a shopping mall on Saturday afternoon.
Really showing my “regular sized human” privilege there
Mr KC has a similar issue. All the "extra long" with 32" waist trousers are online only too.
Whatever happened to "I'll check the stock room for you"?
I used to have to do that when I worked at Matalan as a student. It translates as "we don't have it in your size, soz.""
Wow you're lucky. We had to check the system at the tills and if it said we had some in the back we had to ACTUALLY go and check the back where I worked  |
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"Personally, I don’t think it’s unfair to want every single body type and size represented by fashion companies. That’s not too big an ask is it?
Every height, every weight, every dimension, in every outfit
All so the consumer doesn’t have to, god forbid, trying something on
Seems reasonable
How di you try things on when they keep the "plus size" range online only, as is increasingly happening, yet companies like ASOS limit how many returns a customer can do? Online means needing to be home on a completely random day or having to trek to the Post Office depot during its (limited) opening hours, rather than being able to choose your outfit in a shopping mall on Saturday afternoon.
Really showing my “regular sized human” privilege there
Mr KC has a similar issue. All the "extra long" with 32" waist trousers are online only too.
Whatever happened to "I'll check the stock room for you"?
I used to have to do that when I worked at Matalan as a student. It translates as "we don't have it in your size, soz."
Wow you're lucky. We had to check the system at the tills and if it said we had some in the back we had to ACTUALLY go and check the back where I worked "
We DID go and "check" in the back, but actually went and had a little mooch for 5mins because we knew there was zero point actually looking in boxes. We had no online system (this was back in the dark ages!) and knew that everything from a particular range had already been put out on the shelves. We had to go through the charade anyway... |
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"Urgh don’t even get me started!
I’m on a “weight loss journey” (yea I know that sounds cringe but you know what I mean), trying to find clothes that fit and don’t cost a fortune (cos hopefully won’t need that size for long) is murder!
Bras for larger sizes are awful looking granny things UNLESS you pay a fortune
“Normal” clothes seem to be designed to assume that if you’re fat you’re trying to be as invisible/insignificant as possible - fuck that! I want to to wear fun, fashionable, glamorous clothes for all occasions and venues why should I not be able to because I am fat?
Surely my money is just as good as slimmer peoples?
Then there is the nonsense of womens clothes not having standardised sizing - you can be a 16 in not only one shop, but one particular style of T shirt in the SAME shop and a size 20 in another style!
Also as earlier poster said height! I’m 5’2” and skirts dresses don’t sit at the same point on the leg as on the model. Maxi styled drag on the floor and trip me up! Trousers almost always have to be shortened! Which is an additional expense/effort, strappy items often sit too long from shoulder to underarm or even breast making them in some cases obscenely low cut and impossible to alter.
Infuriating
I have issues buying clothes because I'm small and standard sizes are too big, I can't shop in the kid section because I'm not short, so I completely understand your frustrations on not getting clothes that fit well but disagree that slimmer people have it easier, there's lots of plus size specialist websites now with on trend clothes, where as you look for sizes 4 and under and its berated for encouraging eating disorders or finding sexy lingerie is impossible because I have tiny tits and nothing looks right! "
I did say “slimmer” meaning averagely slim not very slim people. When I was younger I was in the “very slim” category myself and I agree just as difficult to find clothes to suit then plus I know from my very slim - and taller or shorter- relatives if anything it’s got worse!
Basically if you’re not 5’4” to say 5’8”, dress size approx 8-14 you’re stuffed!
As to an earlier posters comment on shops “can’t stock everything” well they overstock on clothes that fit that very narrow range clearly as those are the sizes that are ALWAYS over represented on the clearance rails and understock outside that range and that’s not just personal experience that’s from discussions with assistants inc friends and relatives that work in the industry, the staff on the shop floor know they are losing custom actually by not having the sizes customers need.
A thought occurs to me, maybe every time we can’t find items in our size in shops go on sm and tell them! Strength in numbers if loads of us did this every time we experienced that frustration - whether we are larger, very slim, shorter, taller, or indeed disabled (to the poster with that issue I have a couple of wheelchair user friends and I know they would agree with you it’s incredibly hard for them to find clothes they like, that express who they are and are easy to put on/off independently and comfy to wear in their daily lives) - maybe the pragmatism/greed of retailers would work in our favour as then they would be shown proof they ARE missing out on sales!
Something else maybe showing my age here.
It USED to be the case that different retailers catered to different customers -style wise and in terms of sizes so then customers knew which shops were “their” shops that they knew they could get items that fit and were their preferred style
Now they all sell the SAME STUFF! You can’t tell what their usp is as they don’t have one! Even the flipping colours are all the same -we certainly don’t all have the same colouring!
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I agree with you OP, it's really frustrating. I get you can cover everyone but they're not using a typical plus size body which is confusing. It's like here you go plus size ladies we've catered for you, as long as you look like a regular person just are mega tall so are a larger size to me. |
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"I agree with you OP, it's really frustrating. I get you can cover everyone but they're not using a typical plus size body which is confusing. It's like here you go plus size ladies we've catered for you, as long as you look like a regular person just are mega tall so are a larger size to me. "
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"Snag tights has awsome real plus sized models. But that's only gonna help you if you're buying tights... 
Snag are awesome fair play, they do skirts now too and a few other bits and bobs. "
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"Snag tights has awsome real plus sized models. But that's only gonna help you if you're buying tights...
Snag are awesome fair play, they do skirts now too and a few other bits and bobs.
Currently wearing a Snag dress and OMG it's amazing! They do dungarees and skirts too and apparently are researching bras for their next gambit."
I had fancied a skirt and I love dungarees. I hope they do bras somewhere where they do actual proper sizing would be amazing. |
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"Snag tights has awsome real plus sized models. But that's only gonna help you if you're buying tights...
Snag are awesome fair play, they do skirts now too and a few other bits and bobs.
Currently wearing a Snag dress and OMG it's amazing! They do dungarees and skirts too and apparently are researching bras for their next gambit."
If Snag start doing bras I might as well just get my next paycheque addressed to them. |
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"It's really frustrating to me that a lot of the plus size models used by high street fashion brands have the same kind of body: thick thighs, big perky boobs, big butt, but then FLAT STOMACH?! I don't even care about representing all types of bodies etc etc. Yes diversity is important, BUT, all I want is just to be able to accurately imagine how clothes will look on me instead of continuously wasting my time and money
It's so annoying. I obviously buy the clothes based off how they look on the model (which is the entire point, I know) but it's such a giant waste of time then trying it on and finding it either clings or is too baggy in all the wrong places and having to return. Especially since brands like ASOS are now starting to blacklist customers who they feel return too much. Not to mention the carbon footprint that all this leaves behind.
Yes it's great that the modelling industry is becoming more inclusive and some of these plus size models are INSANELY gorgeous. But I still feel like there's only one type of plus size body fashion brands are looking for? When ironically it would probably help their returns margins to have people with all kinds of lumps and bumps modelling their clothes "
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"Urgh don’t even get me started!
I’m on a “weight loss journey” (yea I know that sounds cringe but you know what I mean), trying to find clothes that fit and don’t cost a fortune (cos hopefully won’t need that size for long) is murder!
Bras for larger sizes are awful looking granny things UNLESS you pay a fortune
“Normal” clothes seem to be designed to assume that if you’re fat you’re trying to be as invisible/insignificant as possible - fuck that! I want to to wear fun, fashionable, glamorous clothes for all occasions and venues why should I not be able to because I am fat?
Surely my money is just as good as slimmer peoples?
Then there is the nonsense of womens clothes not having standardised sizing - you can be a 16 in not only one shop, but one particular style of T shirt in the SAME shop and a size 20 in another style!
Also as earlier poster said height! I’m 5’2” and skirts dresses don’t sit at the same point on the leg as on the model. Maxi styled drag on the floor and trip me up! Trousers almost always have to be shortened! Which is an additional expense/effort, strappy items often sit too long from shoulder to underarm or even breast making them in some cases obscenely low cut and impossible to alter.
Infuriating
I have issues buying clothes because I'm small and standard sizes are too big, I can't shop in the kid section because I'm not short, so I completely understand your frustrations on not getting clothes that fit well but disagree that slimmer people have it easier, there's lots of plus size specialist websites now with on trend clothes, where as you look for sizes 4 and under and its berated for encouraging eating disorders or finding sexy lingerie is impossible because I have tiny tits and nothing looks right!
I did say “slimmer” meaning averagely slim not very slim people. When I was younger I was in the “very slim” category myself and I agree just as difficult to find clothes to suit then plus I know from my very slim - and taller or shorter- relatives if anything it’s got worse!
Basically if you’re not 5’4” to say 5’8”, dress size approx 8-14 you’re stuffed!
As to an earlier posters comment on shops “can’t stock everything” well they overstock on clothes that fit that very narrow range clearly as those are the sizes that are ALWAYS over represented on the clearance rails and understock outside that range and that’s not just personal experience that’s from discussions with assistants inc friends and relatives that work in the industry, the staff on the shop floor know they are losing custom actually by not having the sizes customers need.
A thought occurs to me, maybe every time we can’t find items in our size in shops go on sm and tell them! Strength in numbers if loads of us did this every time we experienced that frustration - whether we are larger, very slim, shorter, taller, or indeed disabled (to the poster with that issue I have a couple of wheelchair user friends and I know they would agree with you it’s incredibly hard for them to find clothes they like, that express who they are and are easy to put on/off independently and comfy to wear in their daily lives) - maybe the pragmatism/greed of retailers would work in our favour as then they would be shown proof they ARE missing out on sales!
Something else maybe showing my age here.
It USED to be the case that different retailers catered to different customers -style wise and in terms of sizes so then customers knew which shops were “their” shops that they knew they could get items that fit and were their preferred style
Now they all sell the SAME STUFF! You can’t tell what their usp is as they don’t have one! Even the flipping colours are all the same -we certainly don’t all have the same colouring!
"
Very good point about shops blending into one with no USP. Abercombie and finch is a good example for that, they used to be known for smaller sizes.
I suppose if they want to get rid of fast fashion then more custom sizes and features is required. Like they now do extra long childrens school trousers or plus, which is great. |
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"Urgh don’t even get me started!
I’m on a “weight loss journey” (yea I know that sounds cringe but you know what I mean), trying to find clothes that fit and don’t cost a fortune (cos hopefully won’t need that size for long) is murder!
Bras for larger sizes are awful looking granny things UNLESS you pay a fortune
“Normal” clothes seem to be designed to assume that if you’re fat you’re trying to be as invisible/insignificant as possible - fuck that! I want to to wear fun, fashionable, glamorous clothes for all occasions and venues why should I not be able to because I am fat?
Surely my money is just as good as slimmer peoples?
Then there is the nonsense of womens clothes not having standardised sizing - you can be a 16 in not only one shop, but one particular style of T shirt in the SAME shop and a size 20 in another style!
Also as earlier poster said height! I’m 5’2” and skirts dresses don’t sit at the same point on the leg as on the model. Maxi styled drag on the floor and trip me up! Trousers almost always have to be shortened! Which is an additional expense/effort, strappy items often sit too long from shoulder to underarm or even breast making them in some cases obscenely low cut and impossible to alter.
Infuriating
I have issues buying clothes because I'm small and standard sizes are too big, I can't shop in the kid section because I'm not short, so I completely understand your frustrations on not getting clothes that fit well but disagree that slimmer people have it easier, there's lots of plus size specialist websites now with on trend clothes, where as you look for sizes 4 and under and its berated for encouraging eating disorders or finding sexy lingerie is impossible because I have tiny tits and nothing looks right!
I did say “slimmer” meaning averagely slim not very slim people. When I was younger I was in the “very slim” category myself and I agree just as difficult to find clothes to suit then plus I know from my very slim - and taller or shorter- relatives if anything it’s got worse!
Basically if you’re not 5’4” to say 5’8”, dress size approx 8-14 you’re stuffed!
As to an earlier posters comment on shops “can’t stock everything” well they overstock on clothes that fit that very narrow range clearly as those are the sizes that are ALWAYS over represented on the clearance rails and understock outside that range and that’s not just personal experience that’s from discussions with assistants inc friends and relatives that work in the industry, the staff on the shop floor know they are losing custom actually by not having the sizes customers need.
A thought occurs to me, maybe every time we can’t find items in our size in shops go on sm and tell them! Strength in numbers if loads of us did this every time we experienced that frustration - whether we are larger, very slim, shorter, taller, or indeed disabled (to the poster with that issue I have a couple of wheelchair user friends and I know they would agree with you it’s incredibly hard for them to find clothes they like, that express who they are and are easy to put on/off independently and comfy to wear in their daily lives) - maybe the pragmatism/greed of retailers would work in our favour as then they would be shown proof they ARE missing out on sales!
Something else maybe showing my age here.
It USED to be the case that different retailers catered to different customers -style wise and in terms of sizes so then customers knew which shops were “their” shops that they knew they could get items that fit and were their preferred style
Now they all sell the SAME STUFF! You can’t tell what their usp is as they don’t have one! Even the flipping colours are all the same -we certainly don’t all have the same colouring!
Very good point about shops blending into one with no USP. Abercombie and finch is a good example for that, they used to be known for smaller sizes.
I suppose if they want to get rid of fast fashion then more custom sizes and features is required. Like they now do extra long childrens school trousers or plus, which is great. "
It’s also very boring fashion wise if everywhere selling the same stuff. The current fashions of puff sleeves and smocking etc really don’t suit everyone if anyone! Awful fashion at the moment really hard to find the kinda clothes I like at all!
I like fitted tailored pieces for day/smart attire and more hippy style or sexy without being over the top for nights/weekends
I feel sorry for the youngsters who don’t seem to have many options for individuality or even different “tribes” they all look to be dressed/styled the same to me |
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"It's really frustrating to me that a lot of the plus size models used by high street fashion brands have the same kind of body: thick thighs, big perky boobs, big butt, but then FLAT STOMACH?! I don't even care about representing all types of bodies etc etc. Yes diversity is important, BUT, all I want is just to be able to accurately imagine how clothes will look on me instead of continuously wasting my time and money
It's so annoying. I obviously buy the clothes based off how they look on the model (which is the entire point, I know) but it's such a giant waste of time then trying it on and finding it either clings or is too baggy in all the wrong places and having to return. Especially since brands like ASOS are now starting to blacklist customers who they feel return too much. Not to mention the carbon footprint that all this leaves behind.
Yes it's great that the modelling industry is becoming more inclusive and some of these plus size models are INSANELY gorgeous. But I still feel like there's only one type of plus size body fashion brands are looking for? When ironically it would probably help their returns margins to have people with all kinds of lumps and bumps modelling their clothes "
You can't have a model for every body type....the models should just be a rough idea |
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