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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Reports that accent discrimination is a real thing and Northerners are missing out.. social scientists say that northerners come across as less educated, intelligent and ambitious..
It's all over the news |
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By *ayHaychMan
over a year ago
Leeds (Home) / Sheffield (Work) |
Of course accent discrimination is a thing. This is one reason many people from working class backgrounds say they feel out of place when they get into Oxbridge, etc. That’s just one example. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Tom, y u do dis?
It's in the far left rag called The Guardian
All over the news
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To be fair, the links between assumptions around class/ education and accent are not new. But I think things like accent representation on things like the news is important. Idk |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Of course accent discrimination is a thing. This is one reason many people from working class backgrounds say they feel out of place when they get into Oxbridge, etc. That’s just one example. "
Yep and it's been happening for decades....my Mother in law was from Liverpool, she had elocution lessons to get rid of her accent because her work told her that she would never be considered for promotion with a scouse accent (She worked for John Deere tractors) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I love regional accents and I think it's really sad that they're disappearing. None of my kids friends have Yorkshire accents, they're pretty neutral. I blame cbeebies. |
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By *ayHaychMan
over a year ago
Leeds (Home) / Sheffield (Work) |
"Of course accent discrimination is a thing. This is one reason many people from working class backgrounds say they feel out of place when they get into Oxbridge, etc. That’s just one example.
Yep and it's been happening for decades....my Mother in law was from Liverpool, she had elocution lessons to get rid of her accent because her work told her that she would never be considered for promotion with a scouse accent (She worked for John Deere tractors) "
Astonishingly appalling but not surprising. I remember my sister wanted to take elocution lessons and as a kid I thought yeah that sounds like a good idea. Now when I start a new role and introduce myself I exaggerate my Yorkshire accent and always have my Yorkshire Tea mug on display  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's all 'bluurdclaat' around my neck o' the woods.
What ends you from?
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I'm from the posh Raasclaat side. Them endz been gentrified."
They’ve gentrified the hood fr. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I find the only way to 'reset' the London accent for most children is to subject them to a few episodes of ZingZillas on cbeebies.
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It doesn’t come on anymore  |
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By *avie65Man
over a year ago
In the west. |
"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here! "
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education. |
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"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education. "
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too  |
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"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education.
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too "
Sooo much |
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By *avie65Man
over a year ago
In the west. |
"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education.
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too "
Eeeeek. We put salt & vinegar on our fish and chips. In Edinburgh they put salt n sauce in them, bloomin freaks. Lol |
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"I find the only way to 'reset' the London accent for most children is to subject them to a few episodes of ZingZillas on cbeebies.
It doesn’t come on anymore "
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My favourite episode is with Stuart Zender (from Jamiroquai).
He does a mean aççent with his bass guitar with the ZingZillas. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education.
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too
Eeeeek. We put salt & vinegar on our fish and chips. In Edinburgh they put salt n sauce in them, bloomin freaks. Lol"
My local chippy (In Glasgow) offers salt n' sauce as an option. I think we are being infiltrated from the east. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Reports that accent discrimination is a real thing and Northerners are missing out.. social scientists say that northerners come across as less educated, intelligent and ambitious..
It's all over the news "
They usually say that about the black country accent. |
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"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education.
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too
Eeeeek. We put salt & vinegar on our fish and chips. In Edinburgh they put salt n sauce in them, bloomin freaks. Lol
My local chippy (In Glasgow) offers salt n' sauce as an option. I think we are being infiltrated from the east."
Sorry to derail the the thread, but what's the sauce? Ketchup? |
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By *avie65Man
over a year ago
In the west. |
"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education.
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too
Eeeeek. We put salt & vinegar on our fish and chips. In Edinburgh they put salt n sauce in them, bloomin freaks. Lol
My local chippy (In Glasgow) offers salt n' sauce as an option. I think we are being infiltrated from the east.
Sorry to derail the the thread, but what's the sauce? Ketchup?"
Nothing so refined. It cheap brown sauce, Daddies, mixed with vinegar.  |
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"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education.
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too
Eeeeek. We put salt & vinegar on our fish and chips. In Edinburgh they put salt n sauce in them, bloomin freaks. Lol
My local chippy (In Glasgow) offers salt n' sauce as an option. I think we are being infiltrated from the east.
Sorry to derail the the thread, but what's the sauce? Ketchup?
Nothing so refined. It cheap brown sauce, Daddies, mixed with vinegar. "
For the love of God!  |
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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago
Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds |
"Tom only reports the news but to fair.. Angela Rayner is unelectable for more than one reason but one is her gob
But she did get elected."
She sits in a seat even a dead badger could win if it wore a red rosette. Safe seats are a problem.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Reports that accent discrimination is a real thing and Northerners are missing out.. social scientists say that northerners come across as less educated, intelligent and ambitious..
It's all over the news "
Always been the way. |
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My scouse friend is very hard to understand when she starts getting into a fast conversation. She can’t even understand her own accent at times when we go at it 
Though she thinks i am all tally Ho wing commander or just cockney
Though I did find bouncing around Skem I got quite abit Of abuse thrown at me when I spoke in shops by randoms at times |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education.
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too
Eeeeek. We put salt & vinegar on our fish and chips. In Edinburgh they put salt n sauce in them, bloomin freaks. Lol
My local chippy (In Glasgow) offers salt n' sauce as an option. I think we are being infiltrated from the east.
Sorry to derail the the thread, but what's the sauce? Ketchup?
Nothing so refined. It cheap brown sauce, Daddies, mixed with vinegar. "
Daddies is not cheap brown sauce. It's delicious |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education.
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too
Eeeeek. We put salt & vinegar on our fish and chips. In Edinburgh they put salt n sauce in them, bloomin freaks. Lol
My local chippy (In Glasgow) offers salt n' sauce as an option. I think we are being infiltrated from the east.
Sorry to derail the the thread, but what's the sauce? Ketchup?
Nothing so refined. It cheap brown sauce, Daddies, mixed with vinegar. "
What ratio? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education.
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too
Eeeeek. We put salt & vinegar on our fish and chips. In Edinburgh they put salt n sauce in them, bloomin freaks. Lol
My local chippy (In Glasgow) offers salt n' sauce as an option. I think we are being infiltrated from the east.
Sorry to derail the the thread, but what's the sauce? Ketchup?
Nothing so refined. It cheap brown sauce, Daddies, mixed with vinegar.
What ratio?"
This ratioooooooooooo
(Sorry couldn’t resist even though nobody on fab will get this  ) |
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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago
Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds |
"I'm from Merseyside & think Scousers sound intelligent.
That said, I'd much rather be "burdened" with a slight Scouse lilt than an Essex accent "
I've been told Essex is the Liverpool of the South, so that would make us both fucked I imagine 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here! "
I've wondered about that since living in S Wales, pop over the hill from Cardiff to Caerphilly and the accent is totally different, Rhondda and Port Talbot are different but not massively so, another few miles and into Swansea and it's all change and again by the time you hit Llanelli.
I grew up in the South East and never really noticed much variation but it is there, perhaps less stark. Do you think that some variations stand out more to us than others? How is it that we can group a range of accents yet distinguish between them? We'll say (for example) an American accent yet the variations are huge, presumably its the same for them, there must be enough similarity between a Cockney and a Scouser for someone from another country to say they're both British yet to us they sound utterly different.
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By *avie65Man
over a year ago
In the west. |
"Is this just in England OP?
Up here we have different accents in town that are all but joined to one another.
There's different accents within a couple of miles round here!
These towns are discriminated against here and they have poor levels of education.
We're in pie vs pasty land. Not only are accents micro-analysed, but carbohydrates based foodstuffs are too
Eeeeek. We put salt & vinegar on our fish and chips. In Edinburgh they put salt n sauce in them, bloomin freaks. Lol
My local chippy (In Glasgow) offers salt n' sauce as an option. I think we are being infiltrated from the east.
Sorry to derail the the thread, but what's the sauce? Ketchup?
Nothing so refined. It cheap brown sauce, Daddies, mixed with vinegar.
What ratio?"
Maybe an East coaster could answer that. It will take a lot of vinegar though as Daddies sauce is radioactive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm a mixture of both Tom, where do I sit on the education/ambition scale? Southern people think I sound Northern, Northern people think I sound Southern and/or posh (mainly because I don't drop my aitches). I'm confused! Should I nurture my Southern roots or embrace my Northern settlement?  |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm a mixture of both Tom, where do I sit on the education/ambition scale? Southern people think I sound Northern, Northern people think I sound Southern and/or posh (mainly because I don't drop my aitches). I'm confused! Should I nurture my Southern roots or embrace my Northern settlement? "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Always on the end of the copy merchants with my Dublin accent . If I had a penny for Every-time, I hear someone try copy my words in my accent I’d have easily £127.50 by now! |
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"I mean....
Us Home Counties accent types suffer accent discrimination as well. All the time.  "
More than a grain of truth to this. Your lovely accent does seem to be out of favour at the moment. Do you ever hear it on the BBC anymore? |
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By *eliWoman
over a year ago
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"I mean....
Us Home Counties accent types suffer accent discrimination as well. All the time.
More than a grain of truth to this. Your lovely accent does seem to be out of favour at the moment. Do you ever hear it on the BBC anymore?"
No, I was being ridiculous! I don't hear it on the BBC often now, that's not a bad thing. I like hearing a wealth of accents, the diversity of people and their backgrounds. It shouldn't be the stronghold of those with privileged access to education - there's no guarantee someone is better educated because of historic connotations.
My accent does give me different treatment at times. It also invites disdain. Sometimes I play up to that. It shouldn't. |
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I'm from Yorkshire and find it hilarious that people think we are stupid ??..... I had a londoner once think I was foreign, never understood why my accent isn't that broad. Maybe it's because I miss certain letters out of words when I'm talking. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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I can only add that I was in my local pub in Colchester in Essex and and a northerer came in and asked for a pint of southern beer but not that weak pish.. he had four pints of Abbot Ale and fell off his bar stool.. |
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"I'm from Yorkshire and find it hilarious that people think we are stupid ??..... I had a londoner once think I was foreign, never understood why my accent isn't that broad. Maybe it's because I miss certain letters out of words when I'm talking."
Many letters in words are indeed optional. Who needs all the 'h' and 'e' sounds, when you can just go t'shop. No need to faff about going TO THE shop, etc. We northerners must save so much time by abbreviating our words |
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Getting up through the ranks it can be somewhat of a minor problem, think less so these days.
Never found it an issue through training, just the odd person cracking real funnies (not) about hubcaps etc, but lasted for a very short space of time.
But once you get up there it becomes a real asset.
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