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"https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/its-not-sexy-students-demand-24194255 Thoughts " Save us opening on a link why don’t you post the content or a summary? | |||
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"https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/its-not-sexy-students-demand-24194255 Thoughts Save us opening on a link why don’t you post the content or a summary?" "A group of schoolgirls and their teacher have launched a campaign demanding school uniforms stop being sold in sex shops and banned from pornography. Members of the feminism group at Sandbach High in Cheshire have started a petition after being left feeling "vulnerable" and "embarrassed" after being sexually harassed in their uniform. They are calling for the government to make it illegal for the costumes to be displayed and sold within sex shops to 'stop the sexualisation of children." | |||
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"I don't know why we sexualise something a child wears but anyway, I'm in agreement with the article. It's quite disturbing to see a grown adult dress or act like a child." I blame Britney Spears  | |||
"Omg it's harmless fun... back to school nights are always a popular dress up night at clubs " Exactly this 
my mini tartan skirt showing of knickers, white stockings, stiletto shoes, crop top, slut make-up, etc. is very popular amongst consenting adults...!
obviously never encouraging others and or suggesting that anything underage is ok because it’s most definitely not ok to be engaging with anyone underage... | |||
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"AC/DC are going to be fucked.." Lol true | |||
"AC/DC are going to be fucked.." And wee Jimmy Krankie  | |||
"I don't know why we sexualise something a child wears but anyway, I'm in agreement with the article. It's quite disturbing to see a grown adult dress or act like a child." This  | |||
"https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/its-not-sexy-students-demand-24194255 Thoughts Save us opening on a link why don’t you post the content or a summary? "A group of schoolgirls and their teacher have launched a campaign demanding school uniforms stop being sold in sex shops and banned from pornography. Members of the feminism group at Sandbach High in Cheshire have started a petition after being left feeling "vulnerable" and "embarrassed" after being sexually harassed in their uniform. They are calling for the government to make it illegal for the costumes to be displayed and sold within sex shops to 'stop the sexualisation of children."" --------------------- ---An element of the schoolgirls were fed up of being personally harassed by wolf whistlers etc, probably as if they were young adults out on a hen night. Simply because they are in their school uniform (and hence likely under 16). It's worth saying that despite DNA evidence, reported incidences of repe and abuse are incredibly high, and for a number of reasons only a tiny fraction are dealt with. Obviously, it's a huge step to attempt to make something of this nature 'illegal'.. but I expect that the teacher(s) is basically engaging with the class and highlighting a serious issue here. The kids themselves are just being kids and won't understand the seriousness of legality yet (hey it's not me who advocates voting at 16). But they do have a point. There is no doubt that kids are being more and more sexualised by a society that was supposed to be going the other way. Online porn where young women are being treated roughly and uploaded against their will has almost become a norm too (re the huge pornhub complicity lawsuit), as has being slapped and chked during sex for some young people too: deaths are becoming far too common in this area now (a big thing for me as I'm into SM). Society is pretty-much unable to prevent access to this kind of stuff, it's as simple as that. Which is a problem. I'm the last person in the world to want kinkiness effectively made illegal (just glance at my profile), but I'm right behind these girls in what is clearly an awareness campaign, lets be honest. --pt | |||
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"Am I right in thinking that "the sexy schoolgirl" outfit is nothing more than a micro tartan skirt and a tie-up white blouse sort of thing? What the hell school has that, or has ever had that, as an actual uniform? The myriad Chinese manufacturers who make these, might, if you ask them nicely, change the name to something else and then it would have no link to a schoolgirl uniform as it looks nothing like one. And bloody good luck to them trying to get Eastern European smut pedlars to stop making "schoolgirl" porn." --You'd be largely right, but there's clearly a principle/message thing going on here. When I was a kid in the 70's I remember nurses demonstrating on St Mary's Street in Cardiff asking for broadly the same thing. The listed Prince of Wales building in the heart of the city used to be a porno theatre back then! Nothing changed in terms of the law, but it was good publicity and it did highlight a lot. --pt | |||
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"You know what I’d end up doing if I can’t get a sexy schoolgirl outfit? Buying an actual school uniform. Let’s apply some logic here. " Haha - yes its easy enough to put together a uniform - And if it's specifically sexy outfits are non sexy ones ok!?  | |||
"You know what I’d end up doing if I can’t get a sexy schoolgirl outfit? Buying an actual school uniform. Let’s apply some logic here. " --It's not doing it, it's selling it. And more to the point, the principle of sexualising girls who are often still children. --pt | |||
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"I don't know why we sexualise something a child wears but anyway, I'm in agreement with the article. It's quite disturbing to see a grown adult dress or act like a child." I agree. I’ve always been very uncomfortable with it. | |||
"I don't know why we sexualise something a child wears but anyway, I'm in agreement with the article. It's quite disturbing to see a grown adult dress or act like a child. I agree. I’ve always been very uncomfortable with it. " its not acting like a child though is it | |||
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"On the scale of sexualisation of children I just don't see this as being high up the list of priorities. Kids being on tic tok with access to onlyfans adverts essentially or kink toc. Access to pornography at an age where they may not be able to process the difference between that and actual sex within a relationship. The constant drive at the moment to push kids into being mini adults as teens all these things worry more as a parent than an outfit worn to a school disco night. " Absolutely this | |||
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"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers " Links to actual data/statistics, please | |||
"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers " Is this a Daily Mail article? | |||
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"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers Links to actual data/statistics, please "https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/school-issues-warning-men-acting-21575201 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625597/Calais-migrant-muggers-target-schoolgirls-Britain-refugee-crisis....... to pick just a few | |||
"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers Links to actual data/statistics, please
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/school-issues-warning-men-acting-21575201
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625597/Calais-migrant-muggers-target-schoolgirls-Britain-refugee-crisis....... to pick just a few "---Bollocks I have to look at these now. And one is the Daily Express. Why pick that garbage of all 'newspapers' if you are so spoilt for choice? Imported doctors and engineers! FFS. 
It wouldn't actually change any of the arguments above even if this supposed influx of foreign evil was true. It's just a shallow opportunity to be xenophobic. --pt | |||
"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers Links to actual data/statistics, please
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/school-issues-warning-men-acting-21575201
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625597/Calais-migrant-muggers-target-schoolgirls-Britain-refugee-crisis....... to pick just a few "What's the MEN one got to do with immigrants? It says "male members of the public". | |||
"I don't know why we sexualise something a child wears but anyway, I'm in agreement with the article. It's quite disturbing to see a grown adult dress or act like a child." | |||
"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers Links to actual data/statistics, please
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/school-issues-warning-men-acting-21575201
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625597/Calais-migrant-muggers-target-schoolgirls-Britain-refugee-crisis....... to pick just a few
What's the MEN one got to do with immigrants? It says "male members of the public"."Immigrant men | |||
"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers Links to actual data/statistics, please
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/school-issues-warning-men-acting-21575201
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625597/Calais-migrant-muggers-target-schoolgirls-Britain-refugee-crisis....... to pick just a few
What's the MEN one got to do with immigrants? It says "male members of the public".
Immigrant men "MEN = Manchester Evening News. It's local parlance. The article doesn't mention the word "immigrant" once. | |||
"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers Links to actual data/statistics, please
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/school-issues-warning-men-acting-21575201
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625597/Calais-migrant-muggers-target-schoolgirls-Britain-refugee-crisis....... to pick just a few
What's the MEN one got to do with immigrants? It says "male members of the public"."#notallMEN | |||
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"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers Links to actual data/statistics, please
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/school-issues-warning-men-acting-21575201
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625597/Calais-migrant-muggers-target-schoolgirls-Britain-refugee-crisis....... to pick just a few
What's the MEN one got to do with immigrants? It says "male members of the public".
Immigrant men
MEN = Manchester Evening News. It's local parlance.
The article doesn't mention the word "immigrant" once. "If you read the comments at the bottom of the MEN article explains it all. https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/09/25/hotel-migrants-accused-harassing-girls-young-12-filming-through-school-fence/ | |||
"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers Links to actual data/statistics, please
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/school-issues-warning-men-acting-21575201
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/625597/Calais-migrant-muggers-target-schoolgirls-Britain-refugee-crisis....... to pick just a few
What's the MEN one got to do with immigrants? It says "male members of the public".
Immigrant men
MEN = Manchester Evening News. It's local parlance.
The article doesn't mention the word "immigrant" once.
If you read the comments at the bottom of the MEN article explains it all.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/09/25/hotel-migrants-accused-harassing-girls-young-12-filming-through-school-fence/"---Breitbart is fascistic full stop. It's an American racist media outlet that claimed Obama wasn't American and that Trump won the last election. Breitbart was Trump's news outlet basically - they agreed with everything he did and said. Jesus Christ man. You're just propping up the Mexican wall. --pt | |||
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"Not hearing anyone shouting “kink shaming” here?" Sad when people cant tell the difference and assume the worst and just pontificate. | |||
"I'm aware of the Standish story, it's not far from us. The so-called incident of girls being surrounded after school was never substantiated and complaints dropped by the police. This community has "previous" in rejecting the presence of non-white migrants (it's a very white area) - see earlier hyperbole from 2015 about the same hotel. It was a non story, whipped up by right wingers like Britain First and swallowed hook, link and sinker by people who are on the "England for the English" crusade and who are openly racist. One of the commentators in the Standish story said he couldn't have his curtains open because a migrant might see his wife because the hotel overlooks their house. Did he have prior complains of the same nature about other users of the hotel? Or just the brown people? " https://youtube.com/shorts/2JwJLTKNOXY?feature=share ..... watch it | |||
"I'm aware of the Standish story, it's not far from us. The so-called incident of girls being surrounded after school was never substantiated and complaints dropped by the police. This community has "previous" in rejecting the presence of non-white migrants (it's a very white area) - see earlier hyperbole from 2015 about the same hotel. It was a non story, whipped up by right wingers like Britain First and swallowed hook, link and sinker by people who are on the "England for the English" crusade and who are openly racist. One of the commentators in the Standish story said he couldn't have his curtains open because a migrant might see his wife because the hotel overlooks their house. Did he have prior complains of the same nature about other users of the hotel? Or just the brown people? https://youtube.com/shorts/2JwJLTKNOXY?feature=share ..... watch it" Are you still here? I hoped you'd gone away  | |||
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"ive never liked the ''school outfit'' with adult fun but i totally disagree with banning of a outfit that is used for fun or kink by others its a very slippery slope if they ban that then what kink next ?? adult baby ?? dressing up as animals ?? and on and on it will roll until all kinks are outlawed ... we are talking about adults being adults nothing else ... deal with the guys/women who are harrasing the school girls not the adult who are doing nothing wrong" -They are not asking for any kink to be banned, just the type of school uniforms that get sold in some shops - they give a bad vibe to these girls (and to a lot of adults too). --pt | |||
"https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/its-not-sexy-students-demand-24194255 Thoughts Save us opening on a link why don’t you post the content or a summary? "A group of schoolgirls and their teacher have launched a campaign demanding school uniforms stop being sold in sex shops and banned from pornography. Members of the feminism group at Sandbach High in Cheshire have started a petition after being left feeling "vulnerable" and "embarrassed" after being sexually harassed in their uniform. They are calling for the government to make it illegal for the costumes to be displayed and sold within sex shops to 'stop the sexualisation of children."" Surely what the should be campaigning against is people sexually harassing school children, not consenting adults indulging in role play? | |||
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"ive never liked the ''school outfit'' with adult fun but i totally disagree with banning of a outfit that is used for fun or kink by others its a very slippery slope if they ban that then what kink next ?? adult baby ?? dressing up as animals ?? and on and on it will roll until all kinks are outlawed ... we are talking about adults being adults nothing else ... deal with the guys/women who are harrasing the school girls not the adult who are doing nothing wrong -They are not asking for any kink to be banned, just the type of school uniforms that get sold in some shops - they give a bad vibe to these girls (and to a lot of adults too). --pt " So if the kinksters can’t get their hands on an Ann summers schoolgirl out fit, how do they enjoy their kink? | |||
"Not hearing anyone shouting “kink shaming” here? Sad when people cant tell the difference and assume the worst and just pontificate." Well I was led to believe that no kink between consenting adults should be shamed. Are you suggesting otherwise? | |||
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"ive never liked the ''school outfit'' with adult fun but i totally disagree with banning of a outfit that is used for fun or kink by others its a very slippery slope if they ban that then what kink next ?? adult baby ?? dressing up as animals ?? and on and on it will roll until all kinks are outlawed ... we are talking about adults being adults nothing else ... deal with the guys/women who are harrasing the school girls not the adult who are doing nothing wrong -They are not asking for any kink to be banned, just the type of school uniforms that get sold in some shops - they give a bad vibe to these girls (and to a lot of adults too). --pt So if the kinksters can’t get their hands on an Ann summers schoolgirl out fit, how do they enjoy their kink?" Steal them from schoolgirls? | |||
"ive never liked the ''school outfit'' with adult fun but i totally disagree with banning of a outfit that is used for fun or kink by others its a very slippery slope if they ban that then what kink next ?? adult baby ?? dressing up as animals ?? and on and on it will roll until all kinks are outlawed ... we are talking about adults being adults nothing else ... deal with the guys/women who are harrasing the school girls not the adult who are doing nothing wrong -They are not asking for any kink to be banned, just the type of school uniforms that get sold in some shops - they give a bad vibe to these girls (and to a lot of adults too). --pt So if the kinksters can’t get their hands on an Ann summers schoolgirl out fit, how do they enjoy their kink? Steal them from schoolgirls? " ---Just get the real thing, or approximate you nitwits. Honesty, some people think if it isn't under plastic in a shop it doesn't exist. Not every single thing has to be processed for consumers in shrink wrap! Older people like to kink up as young. We bring back the day, I do it myself. That isn't going to change, and it doesn't have to. --pt | |||
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"Maybe scrap the school uniform instead? " | |||
"https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/its-not-sexy-students-demand-24194255 Thoughts Save us opening on a link why don’t you post the content or a summary? "A group of schoolgirls and their teacher have launched a campaign demanding school uniforms stop being sold in sex shops and banned from pornography. Members of the feminism group at Sandbach High in Cheshire have started a petition after being left feeling "vulnerable" and "embarrassed" after being sexually harassed in their uniform. They are calling for the government to make it illegal for the costumes to be displayed and sold within sex shops to 'stop the sexualisation of children." Surely what the should be campaigning against is people sexually harassing school children, not consenting adults indulging in role play?" | |||
"Maybe scrap the school uniform instead? "I’ve said this for years. I went to a primary school without a uniform. I don’t see how wearing one makes me (or kids) learn and different ? I know, I know, it opens the debate for possible financial divides with kids having the more expensive trainers etc. as soon as I started tying I heard someone say that. But I would argue for none uniform. | |||
"I don't know why we sexualise something a child wears but anyway, I'm in agreement with the article. It's quite disturbing to see a grown adult dress or act like a child." Absolutely agree. | |||
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"Maybe scrap the school uniform instead?
I’ve said this for years. I went to a primary school without a uniform. I don’t see how wearing one makes me (or kids) learn and different ?
I know, I know, it opens the debate for possible financial divides with kids having the more expensive trainers etc. as soon as I started tying I heard someone say that.
But I would argue for none uniform. "Agree. Uniforms have to be bought in addition to normal clothes, which can be expensive. Especially when the school demands certain items and school logos. Ban the uniforms! School uniforms should be for adults only. | |||
"Maybe scrap the school uniform instead?
Ban the uniforms! School uniforms should be for adults only. "Yes, for 80s parties. Imagine when that becomes a thing where it’s vintage wear. | |||
"Maybe scrap the school uniform instead?
Ban the uniforms! School uniforms should be for adults only.
Yes, for 80s parties.
Imagine when that becomes a thing where it’s vintage wear. "The 80's is only 20 years ago! Oh shit..... ...  | |||
"There's a bigger problem the young school girls need to face with the influx of doctors and engineers floating across the channel in their 000's sexual assaults have risen exponentially in fact all crime has my point is rather than banning "sexy uniforms" deal with the grooming gangs and those who have committed these heinous crimes ie the imported doctors and engineers " So... are you saying that instead of banning "sexy Schoolgirl outfits" they just need to ban foreigners? | |||
" Yes, for 80s parties. Imagine when that becomes a thing where it’s vintage wear.
The 80's is only 20 years ago!
Oh shit..... ... " I know, 90s music is slipping into ‘classic radio stations’. I thought that was just for 60’s music. They’ve replaced Motown with James and Blur. | |||
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"Maybe scrap the school uniform instead?
I’ve said this for years. I went to a primary school without a uniform. I don’t see how wearing one makes me (or kids) learn and different ?
I know, I know, it opens the debate for possible financial divides with kids having the more expensive trainers etc. as soon as I started tying I heard someone say that.
But I would argue for none uniform. "My kids school uses that argument... then has a non-uniform day where you have to pay £1 not to wear it. So the kids who have the less popular brands still get picked on on that day, and have to pay for it. So if it were the real reason, it means the schools only care about bullying when it doesn't bring them money. | |||
"Omg it's harmless fun... back to school nights are always a popular dress up night at clubs " If dressing up as sexy school girls is harmless fun them why don't we go the hole hog n bring back women in work constantly being groped n having sexual abuse shouted at them from building sites. Back then men would say "it's only a bit of harmless fun". | |||
"Omg it's harmless fun... back to school nights are always a popular dress up night at clubs If dressing up as sexy school girls is harmless fun them why don't we go the hole hog n bring back women in work constantly being groped n having sexual abuse shouted at them from building sites. Back then men would say "it's only a bit of harmless fun"." This escalated. When did what I wear now still entitle you to grope me? It didn’t then. It doesn’t now. | |||
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"Not hearing anyone shouting “kink shaming” here? Sad when people cant tell the difference and assume the worst and just pontificate. Well I was led to believe that no kink between consenting adults should be shamed. Are you suggesting otherwise?" No, im agreeing with you.Thats what i ment. Just because someone doesn't understand, or worse is scared of something they don't understand, doesn't mean it's wrong. It means they are wrong in what they are thinking | |||
"Maybe scrap the school uniform instead?
I’ve said this for years. I went to a primary school without a uniform. I don’t see how wearing one makes me (or kids) learn and different ?
I know, I know, it opens the debate for possible financial divides with kids having the more expensive trainers etc. as soon as I started tying I heard someone say that.
But I would argue for none uniform.
Agree. Uniforms have to be bought in addition to normal clothes, which can be expensive. Especially when the school demands certain items and school logos.
Ban the uniforms! School uniforms should be for adults only. "I really want a mug that says that lol | |||
"Omg it's harmless fun... back to school nights are always a popular dress up night at clubs If dressing up as sexy school girls is harmless fun them why don't we go the hole hog n bring back women in work constantly being groped n having sexual abuse shouted at them from building sites. Back then men would say "it's only a bit of harmless fun"." Here he comes..galloping in.. | |||
"When you see seven year old girls wearing crop tops with the word sexy emblazoned across the front you come to realise that there are far more important matters to deal with than the sexualisation of school uniforms. Furthermore, none of the school uniforms i've ever seen for sale in shops or online for use in the fetish bear any resemblance to the real thing. People can tell the difference. "Bought by parents because they think it looks 'cute' and most likely without the child even being aware of what the word means. What the fuck are they thinking? Someone should have a word. There is, unfortunately, an increasing trend towards the sexualisation of children throughout society in general. Who do we blame? Youngsters will always be influenced by their heroes (i hesitate to use the words 'role models') and what they see in the media. While i am genuinely appalled that these young ladies mentioned in the OP have been subjected to harassment and abuse while wearing school uniforms i think that to lay this at the feet of pornography, or a fetish between consenting adults behind closed doors, is a bit of a leap. Teenage girls have always been perfectly happy 'sexing up' their own uniforms; rolling the skirt up so it's much shorter than it should be or unbuttoning the bottoms of their blouses and tying it and so exposing their midriffs etc. I wonder whether these young ladies have taken this into account? Disclaimer: i am in no way suggesting that because they treat their uniforms in such a way that they are 'asking for it' or 'get what they deserve', before anyone chooses to pitch in and accuse me of that. There is no instance which makes the harassment or abuse of minors acceptable. | |||
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"They are to be banned on fab too " I think that's a shame.  | |||
"When you see seven year old girls wearing crop tops with the word sexy emblazoned across the front you come to realise that there are far more important matters to deal with than the sexualisation of school uniforms. Furthermore, none of the school uniforms i've ever seen for sale in shops or online for use in the fetish bear any resemblance to the real thing. People can tell the difference.
Bought by parents because they think it looks 'cute' and most likely without the child even being aware of what the word means. What the fuck are they thinking? Someone should have a word.
There is, unfortunately, an increasing trend towards the sexualisation of children throughout society in general. Who do we blame? Youngsters will always be influenced by their heroes (i hesitate to use the words 'role models') and what they see in the media.
While i am genuinely appalled that these young ladies mentioned in the OP have been subjected to harassment and abuse while wearing school uniforms i think that to lay this at the feet of pornography, or a fetish between consenting adults behind closed doors, is a bit of a leap. Teenage girls have always been perfectly happy 'sexing up' their own uniforms; rolling the skirt up so it's much shorter than it should be or unbuttoning the bottoms of their blouses and tying it and so exposing their midriffs etc. I wonder whether these young ladies have taken this into account?
Disclaimer: i am in no way suggesting that because they treat their uniforms in such a way that they are 'asking for it' or 'get what they deserve', before anyone chooses to pitch in and accuse me of that. There is no instance which makes the harassment or abuse of minors acceptable."------I think you have simply missed the nuance here. I can't see how this is a 'blame culture' thing at all, ie laying the blame for moronic cat-calling of teens "at the feet of" fetishism and thus calling to 'ban' the kink - it's not about that at all. The schoolgirls are asking for some kind of legislation over the way young people are often marketed, not asking for a ban on the fetish itself. It's absolutely-nothing to do with how 'close' any two uniforms they look! That won't matter all!! The kinky outfits with their sexy pictures are obviously exaggerated and over-sexualised. But that's the point! Many of these sexy school uniforms sold under plastic give a bad social message FULL STOP - and it's the social message they want to change. That this is 'normal'. All this sexualisation of kids you refer too, it all adds up. And many men (old and young too now of course) continue to call it "harmless fun". Adults can still buy the real thing somewhere and pretend they are kids again, that 'non-normal' (by definition) 'kinkiness' is simply a different thing! Buying a "sexy girl" miniskirt or boob-tube designed for 10 year olds is part of the same problem - you don't need to say oh but other things are far worse! The girls would say we need to look at it all. It's all about what-and-how we package in shops, and the image that society gives in general. Fab is proof that many men refuse to get the message. Their "harmless fun" line is only ever about themselves. But it's always all about themselves. ----pt | |||
"They are to be banned on fab too I think that's a shame. "--Oh ffs sake who ever said that? ---pt | |||
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"When you see seven year old girls wearing crop tops with the word sexy emblazoned across the front you come to realise that there are far more important matters to deal with than the sexualisation of school uniforms. Furthermore, none of the school uniforms i've ever seen for sale in shops or online for use in the fetish bear any resemblance to the real thing. People can tell the difference.
Bought by parents because they think it looks 'cute' and most likely without the child even being aware of what the word means. What the fuck are they thinking? Someone should have a word.
There is, unfortunately, an increasing trend towards the sexualisation of children throughout society in general. Who do we blame? Youngsters will always be influenced by their heroes (i hesitate to use the words 'role models') and what they see in the media.
While i am genuinely appalled that these young ladies mentioned in the OP have been subjected to harassment and abuse while wearing school uniforms i think that to lay this at the feet of pornography, or a fetish between consenting adults behind closed doors, is a bit of a leap. Teenage girls have always been perfectly happy 'sexing up' their own uniforms; rolling the skirt up so it's much shorter than it should be or unbuttoning the bottoms of their blouses and tying it and so exposing their midriffs etc. I wonder whether these young ladies have taken this into account?
Disclaimer: i am in no way suggesting that because they treat their uniforms in such a way that they are 'asking for it' or 'get what they deserve', before anyone chooses to pitch in and accuse me of that. There is no instance which makes the harassment or abuse of minors acceptable.
------I think you have simply missed the nuance here.
I can't see how this is a 'blame culture' thing at all, ie laying the blame for moronic cat-calling of teens "at the feet of" fetishism and thus calling to 'ban' the kink - it's not about that at all.
The schoolgirls are asking for some kind of legislation over the way young people are often marketed, not asking for a ban on the fetish itself. It's absolutely-nothing to do with how 'close' any two uniforms they look! That won't matter all!! The kinky outfits with their sexy pictures are obviously exaggerated and over-sexualised. But that's the point!
Many of these sexy school uniforms sold under plastic give a bad social message FULL STOP - and it's the social message they want to change. That this is 'normal'. All this sexualisation of kids you refer too, it all adds up. And many men (old and young too now of course) continue to call it "harmless fun". Adults can still buy the real thing somewhere and pretend they are kids again, that 'non-normal' (by definition) 'kinkiness' is simply a different thing!
Buying a "sexy girl" miniskirt or boob-tube designed for 10 year olds is part of the same problem - you don't need to say oh but other things are far worse! The girls would say we need to look at it all.
It's all about what-and-how we package in shops, and the image that society gives in general.
Fab is proof that many men refuse to get the message. Their "harmless fun" line is only ever about themselves. But it's always all about themselves. ----pt"You clearly don't have daughters. A young girl, when presented with such a boob tube, is not going to be asking these questions at all. She is blissfully unaware of the connotations and only happy that she gets to dress like her favourite singer or ape whatever the latest image is she's seen on the internet. They are innocent and it's up to parents to decide for them (sadly many seem to think it's ok). Therefore i don't see how you can claim that this is not the fault of society or a cultural problem. Also the article is calling for a ban, both on imagery in porn and in retail sales. This can only be seen as an attempt to demonise the fetish that many still see as harmless. I have still yet to see any evidence that this fetish has a detrimental impact on the young, especially when considering the afforementioned societal problem is becoming the norm. | |||
"When you see seven year old girls wearing crop tops with the word sexy emblazoned across the front you come to realise that there are far more important matters to deal with than the sexualisation of school uniforms. Furthermore, none of the school uniforms i've ever seen for sale in shops or online for use in the fetish bear any resemblance to the real thing. People can tell the difference.
Bought by parents because they think it looks 'cute' and most likely without the child even being aware of what the word means. What the fuck are they thinking? Someone should have a word.
There is, unfortunately, an increasing trend towards the sexualisation of children throughout society in general. Who do we blame? Youngsters will always be influenced by their heroes (i hesitate to use the words 'role models') and what they see in the media.
While i am genuinely appalled that these young ladies mentioned in the OP have been subjected to harassment and abuse while wearing school uniforms i think that to lay this at the feet of pornography, or a fetish between consenting adults behind closed doors, is a bit of a leap. Teenage girls have always been perfectly happy 'sexing up' their own uniforms; rolling the skirt up so it's much shorter than it should be or unbuttoning the bottoms of their blouses and tying it and so exposing their midriffs etc. I wonder whether these young ladies have taken this into account?
Disclaimer: i am in no way suggesting that because they treat their uniforms in such a way that they are 'asking for it' or 'get what they deserve', before anyone chooses to pitch in and accuse me of that. There is no instance which makes the harassment or abuse of minors acceptable.
------I think you have simply missed the nuance here.
I can't see how this is a 'blame culture' thing at all, ie laying the blame for moronic cat-calling of teens "at the feet of" fetishism and thus calling to 'ban' the kink - it's not about that at all.
The schoolgirls are asking for some kind of legislation over the way young people are often marketed, not asking for a ban on the fetish itself. It's absolutely-nothing to do with how 'close' any two uniforms they look! That won't matter all!! The kinky outfits with their sexy pictures are obviously exaggerated and over-sexualised. But that's the point!
Many of these sexy school uniforms sold under plastic give a bad social message FULL STOP - and it's the social message they want to change. That this is 'normal'. All this sexualisation of kids you refer too, it all adds up. And many men (old and young too now of course) continue to call it "harmless fun". Adults can still buy the real thing somewhere and pretend they are kids again, that 'non-normal' (by definition) 'kinkiness' is simply a different thing!
Buying a "sexy girl" miniskirt or boob-tube designed for 10 year olds is part of the same problem - you don't need to say oh but other things are far worse! The girls would say we need to look at it all.
It's all about what-and-how we package in shops, and the image that society gives in general.
Fab is proof that many men refuse to get the message. Their "harmless fun" line is only ever about themselves. But it's always all about themselves. ----pt
You clearly don't have daughters. A young girl, when presented with such a boob tube, is not going to be asking these questions at all. She is blissfully unaware of the connotations and only happy that she gets to dress like her favourite singer or ape whatever the latest image is she's seen on the internet. They are innocent and it's up to parents to decide for them (sadly many seem to think it's ok). Therefore i don't see how you can claim that this is not the fault of society or a cultural problem.
Also the article is calling for a ban, both on imagery in porn and in retail sales. This can only be seen as an attempt to demonise the fetish that many still see as harmless.
I have still yet to see any evidence that this fetish has a detrimental impact on the young, especially when considering the afforementioned societal problem is becoming the norm."The clothes available and aimed at the young young is bad enough, but the "parent's" who actually dress them in it! That's just something else. They should be charged with something. At that age mine wore what I put them in. They didn't have say. That's normal right? If I had put my g in fishnet tights, let her wear red lipstick or clothes with "sexy" or "juicy" ..ect..we know what the words mean..so we are sexualizing kids and they have no choice and the freaks who like that shit..get to see them like that. If I wanna dress up in a school outfit, I dress myself, behind closed doors, all consenting adults, who know we are adults, I've never been slightly concerned that they picture an actual young or under age consent..human. That goes with all ppl kinks..there are people who enjoy dressing up as dogs/ponies, don't mean they literally want a stallion, or a bit of am animal. | |||
"When you see seven year old girls wearing crop tops with the word sexy emblazoned across the front you come to realise that there are far more important matters to deal with than the sexualisation of school uniforms. Furthermore, none of the school uniforms i've ever seen for sale in shops or online for use in the fetish bear any resemblance to the real thing. People can tell the difference.
Bought by parents because they think it looks 'cute' and most likely without the child even being aware of what the word means. What the fuck are they thinking? Someone should have a word.
There is, unfortunately, an increasing trend towards the sexualisation of children throughout society in general. Who do we blame? Youngsters will always be influenced by their heroes (i hesitate to use the words 'role models') and what they see in the media.
While i am genuinely appalled that these young ladies mentioned in the OP have been subjected to harassment and abuse while wearing school uniforms i think that to lay this at the feet of pornography, or a fetish between consenting adults behind closed doors, is a bit of a leap. Teenage girls have always been perfectly happy 'sexing up' their own uniforms; rolling the skirt up so it's much shorter than it should be or unbuttoning the bottoms of their blouses and tying it and so exposing their midriffs etc. I wonder whether these young ladies have taken this into account?
Disclaimer: i am in no way suggesting that because they treat their uniforms in such a way that they are 'asking for it' or 'get what they deserve', before anyone chooses to pitch in and accuse me of that. There is no instance which makes the harassment or abuse of minors acceptable.
------I think you have simply missed the nuance here.
I can't see how this is a 'blame culture' thing at all, ie laying the blame for moronic cat-calling of teens "at the feet of" fetishism and thus calling to 'ban' the kink - it's not about that at all.
The schoolgirls are asking for some kind of legislation over the way young people are often marketed, not asking for a ban on the fetish itself. It's absolutely-nothing to do with how 'close' any two uniforms they look! That won't matter all!! The kinky outfits with their sexy pictures are obviously exaggerated and over-sexualised. But that's the point!
Many of these sexy school uniforms sold under plastic give a bad social message FULL STOP - and it's the social message they want to change. That this is 'normal'. All this sexualisation of kids you refer too, it all adds up. And many men (old and young too now of course) continue to call it "harmless fun". Adults can still buy the real thing somewhere and pretend they are kids again, that 'non-normal' (by definition) 'kinkiness' is simply a different thing!
Buying a "sexy girl" miniskirt or boob-tube designed for 10 year olds is part of the same problem - you don't need to say oh but other things are far worse! The girls would say we need to look at it all.
It's all about what-and-how we package in shops, and the image that society gives in general.
Fab is proof that many men refuse to get the message. Their "harmless fun" line is only ever about themselves. But it's always all about themselves. ----pt
You clearly don't have daughters. A young girl, when presented with such a boob tube, is not going to be asking these questions at all. She is blissfully unaware of the connotations and only happy that she gets to dress like her favourite singer or ape whatever the latest image is she's seen on the internet. They are innocent and it's up to parents to decide for them (sadly many seem to think it's ok). Therefore i don't see how you can claim that this is not the fault of society or a cultural problem.
Also the article is calling for a ban, both on imagery in porn and in retail sales. This can only be seen as an attempt to demonise the fetish that many still see as harmless.
I have still yet to see any evidence that this fetish has a detrimental impact on the young, especially when considering the afforementioned societal problem is becoming the norm.
The clothes available and aimed at the young young is bad enough, but the "parent's" who actually dress them in it! That's just something else. They should be charged with something. At that age mine wore what I put them in. They didn't have say. That's normal right? If I had put my g in fishnet tights, let her wear red lipstick or clothes with "sexy" or "juicy" ..ect..we know what the words mean..so we are sexualizing kids and they have no choice and the freaks who like that shit..get to see them like that.
If I wanna dress up in a school outfit, I dress myself, behind closed doors, all consenting adults, who know we are adults, I've never been slightly concerned that they picture an actual young or under age consent..human. That goes with all ppl kinks..there are people who enjoy dressing up as dogs/ponies, don't mean they literally want a stallion, or a bit of am animal. "Precisely this. I believe the problems we're faced with are not caused by adults dressing as children but instead caused by children dressing as tiny adults. I don't believe that schoolie fetishwear should be the target but i would like to see age inappropriate clothing for minors banned outright. It seems parents just can't be trusted. The upshot is is that the assault on porn and fetishism is simply due to the fact that it's an easy target. We want to deal with this so that we, at least, feel as though we're doing something without having to face the deeper issues that plague modern society. | |||
"You clearly don't have daughters." --Don't be so bloody rude. -pt "Also the article is calling for a ban, both on imagery in porn and in retail sales. This can only be seen as an attempt to demonise the fetish that many still see as harmless." --It can't be "only seen as" anything such! Don't be so paranoid and silly. These are schoolchildren anyway, as I've said before I value the argument as much as anything. Actual legislation (so to speak) may well have to be on the subtler side. It's not always about extremes, guidelines and social pressure can work wonders sometimes, especially when it effects the (excuse the pun) bottom line. Too often you don't get anything without the dialogue though. -pt "I have still yet to see any evidence that this fetish has a detrimental impact on the young, especially when considering the afforementioned societal problem is becoming the norm." ---Are you serious? 1 in 10 kids now are self-harming in some way, due to mental health issues that arise from a variety of different areas. The pressures of early sexualisation and the scale of abuse related to that will clearly be one of them! I'd suggest you are highly-unlikely to "yet see" much evidence of harmful effects on kids in the type of places you are reading all this is 'woke codswallop'! --pt | |||
"The upshot is is that the assault on porn and fetishism is simply due to the fact that it's an easy target. We want to deal with this so that we, at least, feel as though we're doing something without having to face the deeper issues that plague modern society. " ---I'm glad you agree on the kiddy hotpants issue (and that you see society as having deep-seated issues in these areas), but you are talking about an "assault on porn and fetishism" re this campaign! Are you really that afraid of these girls? Honestly, I suggest you look in more-detail at the modern porn industry before you rather casually use words like 'assault' tbh. (And I'm not being anti-porn in saying that). I think your comment above this one shows how little you understand of the effects of these things on children. Which is a bit of an odd thing, given your other comments too. I am into fetish gear big time (and often dress up as young women), but it doesn't prevent me from looking at this objectively. I don't know, everything gets so high-pitched these days! Reactions to life are often so paranoid, knee-jerk and often just too extreme sometimes. It's so hard to have a proper dialogue about things. The more I think about it, the more I value what these girls are doing to be frank. --pt | |||
"You clearly don't have daughters. --Don't be so bloody rude. -pt Also the article is calling for a ban, both on imagery in porn and in retail sales. This can only be seen as an attempt to demonise the fetish that many still see as harmless. --It can't be "only seen as" anything such! Don't be so paranoid and silly. These are schoolchildren anyway, as I've said before I value the argument as much as anything. Actual legislation (so to speak) may well have to be on the subtler side. It's not always about extremes, guidelines and social pressure can work wonders sometimes, especially when it effects the (excuse the pun) bottom line. Too often you don't get anything without the dialogue though. -pt I have still yet to see any evidence that this fetish has a detrimental impact on the young, especially when considering the afforementioned societal problem is becoming the norm. ---Are you serious? 1 in 10 kids now are self-harming in some way, due to mental health issues that arise from a variety of different areas. The pressures of early sexualisation and the scale of abuse related to that will clearly be one of them! I'd suggest you are highly-unlikely to "yet see" much evidence of harmful effects on kids in the type of places you are reading all this is 'woke codswallop'! --pt "Attacking the fetish and even the pornographic aspect is a red herring. It's sheer laziness. This thread is about the two being the cause of some young women being harassed while wearing their school's uniform. While i am aware of the level of self harm and mental health issues faced by the young today i fail to see how this is connected. Surely this is a result of the pressures placed on them by their peers and the media (social and otherwise) and the subsequent damage this does to their self image. Adults dressing as children aren't the cause. The problem is not with adults dressing as children but with children dressing as adults, of being perceived and being told to perceive themselves a certain way by influential sections of society, of being repeatedly told that in order to be accepted/successful/attractive you have to look or act like people who should really have no influence at all. This is the root cause and the more difficult to deal with. | |||
"The upshot is is that the assault on porn and fetishism is simply due to the fact that it's an easy target. We want to deal with this so that we, at least, feel as though we're doing something without having to face the deeper issues that plague modern society. ---I'm glad you agree on the kiddy hotpants issue (and that you see society as having deep-seated issues in these areas), but you are talking about an "assault on porn and fetishism" re this campaign! Are you really that afraid of these girls? Honestly, I suggest you look in more-detail at the modern porn industry before you rather casually use words like 'assault' tbh. (And I'm not being anti-porn in saying that). I think your comment above this one shows how little you understand of the effects of these things on children. Which is a bit of an odd thing, given your other comments too. I am into fetish gear big time (and often dress up as young women), but it doesn't prevent me from looking at this objectively. I don't know, everything gets so high-pitched these days! Reactions to life are often so paranoid, knee-jerk and often just too extreme sometimes. It's so hard to have a proper dialogue about things. The more I think about it, the more I value what these girls are doing to be frank. --pt" I value what they're doing i just believe they're aiming at the wrong target. | |||
"The upshot is is that the assault on porn and fetishism is simply due to the fact that it's an easy target. We want to deal with this so that we, at least, feel as though we're doing something without having to face the deeper issues that plague modern society. ---I'm glad you agree on the kiddy hotpants issue (and that you see society as having deep-seated issues in these areas), but you are talking about an "assault on porn and fetishism" re this campaign! Are you really that afraid of these girls? Honestly, I suggest you look in more-detail at the modern porn industry before you rather casually use words like 'assault' tbh. (And I'm not being anti-porn in saying that). I think your comment above this one shows how little you understand of the effects of these things on children. Which is a bit of an odd thing, given your other comments too. I am into fetish gear big time (and often dress up as young women), but it doesn't prevent me from looking at this objectively. I don't know, everything gets so high-pitched these days! Reactions to life are often so paranoid, knee-jerk and often just too extreme sometimes. It's so hard to have a proper dialogue about things. The more I think about it, the more I value what these girls are doing to be frank. --pt I value what they're doing i just believe they're aiming at the wrong target." Better to have thought about it properly. They obviously feel very passionately about it, but I feel its more education and attitudes that need changing rather than more laws to prevent something which is already against the law. | |||
"Attacking the fetish and even the pornographic aspect is a red herring. It's sheer laziness. This thread is about the two being the cause of some young women being harassed while wearing their school's uniform. While i am aware of the level of self harm and mental health issues faced by the young today i fail to see how this is connected. Surely this is a result of the pressures placed on them by their peers and the media (social and otherwise) and the subsequent damage this does to their self image. Adults dressing as children aren't the cause. The problem is not with adults dressing as children but with children dressing as adults, of being perceived and being told to perceive themselves a certain way by influential sections of society, of being repeatedly told that in order to be accepted/successful/attractive you have to look or act like people who should really have no influence at all. This is the root cause and the more difficult to deal with." ----Come on, these kids are not expressly attacking any fetish or kink per se, nor are they being lazy. They are highlighting one simple thing that can be looked at to help a wider problem. Do you know how rare suggesting anything is these days? It's something I broadly agree with too. How can the problem of school girls being sexualised by passing men (who are more-than likely to young men) be 'actually caused' by children dressed as sexualised adults? ie the 'kiddy hotpants' thing, which we all agree is wrong? That just doesn't make any sense at all! You are simply conflating two different issues here surely? And very uncomfortably, you seem to be suggesting that the problem actually lies with the girls in some way, not with the guys - though you concede that they are under social pressure to look sexy. But it's entirely the problem of the catcalling young men isn't it? They need to be shown that the sexualisation of young women is NOT a normative thing in society at all. The shoolgirls are simply just wearing their uniform. Leading on from from this is actually the connected issue of whether skirts are necessary in modern school uniforms, and though I'd agree that they are not, I'd doubt it would change the issue of catcalling that much at all. And that is because it's NOT about the uniform as much as it's about young men thinking it's OK in today's society to see even younger girls as sex objects. These packaged costumes are simply one thing that help give them that general impression. --pt | |||
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"As I intimated in a post above - what they sell in sex shops bears no resemblance to any real school uniform I've ever seen. If it does, the school in question should be taken to task. Banning any kind of clothing doesn't sit right with me, it takes away our choice of what we can wear. Banning the burka is along these same lines. If the clothing currently on sale was re-branded "sexy Scottish secretary", I doubt anyone but porn film makers would equate it to an actual school uniform. Getting porno makers to stop calling a micro tartan skirt and white blouse a school uniform I feel is a battle no-one will ever win." ---As someone responded to you, it's about the principle! It doesn't make any difference that those bagged-up Japanese/tartan/Britney/Trinians outfits look like modern uniforms at all! It's the fact they make it appear a normative thing to sexualise schoolgirls who are simply wearing a uniform by law and are getting wolf whistled by young men for it. --pt | |||
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"In a couple of above posts I've been incorrectly calling wolf whistling 'cat-calling', but cat calling is of course jeering. Obviously I mean the sexualised kind of wolf whistling, and the sexual comments that can surround that. --pt" Go do a hundred lines.. | |||
"In a couple of above posts I've been incorrectly calling wolf whistling 'cat-calling', but cat calling is of course jeering. Obviously I mean the sexualised kind of wolf whistling, and the sexual comments that can surround that. --pt Go do a hundred lines.." ---I'm written a few hundred already I think. I really feel for these girls, and don't seen any point in having so little faith in an education system that is going to have to be our future. This isn't as dumb as some ppl here seem to be just assuming it is. --pt | |||
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"Probably get shot down here but.... Is it OK to sexualise children? NO I hear most of you shout Is it OK to have sex with a schoolgirl? Again I hear a NO from most - and of course it's against the law Is it OK to have sex with a consenting adult? YES I hear from you all this time So are you commiting an offence having sex with a consenting adult dressed as a schoolgirl? No However, you are imagining that adult to be a schoolgirl. So I ask you this, is this morally right? And is it therefore perpetuating the sexualisation of schoolgirls (children)? I would argue that, the adult dressed as the said schoolgirl,is indulging in a fantasy that is not harmful. It's something that they want for themselves and not something they want to do to someone else. Just my view and I'm sure others will have a different view. I think the girls have a valid reason to ask for this to be debated. There is a similar argument in regard to the sexualisation of nurses too,but the consequences are far more serious I would suggest within the context of this thread " ---I still don't see where the schoolgirls have asked for such private fantasies to be debated though? It's about sex shops and pornography isn't it? Surely it's always been common for older adults to want to re-live, or fantasise about younger days during sex. It's partly a way of dealing with age imo. And of course too, people can easily put together a schoolgirl look - they don't really need these socially-normalising pre-packeted costumes at all. --pt | |||
