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 ". Now, to most people, that's an innocuous comment - but to a vegan, they know that's not true, and they know the comment is pushing the idea that kids need to eat more meat. So the vegan really feels the need to interject, because now everyone's thinking there should be more meat in school meals - and the vegan is like "no, the problem is that the meal is fucking pizza and chips, not that it's not got enough meat". And then the vegan looks like they've decided to pick a fight.
And, yeh, with veganism it's easier to be like "this is silly, no need to correct people on that" (well, not if you're vegan). But then you consider that there are other comments - e.g. in a thread about knife crime someone could say "we need to bring back stop-and-search!" - which was deprioritised because it disproportionately targeted young black men. A black person would be like "hey, wait a minute, it's not even a black assailant here" and everyone's like "why start an argument about it". Or, in a thread about a lack of police, saying that the problem is too much hate crime reporting. Now, that's a dog whistle that a bunch of people are gonna hear - primarily, people who are disproportionately victims of hate crime. But specifically, there has been a concerted effort to get rid of hate crime legislation by transphobic people as parts of efforts to normalise transphobic speech. So, trans people (and people who know about trans issues) are gonna hear that whistle ringing quite clearly.
So, on the point "why do things get de-railed" - well, it's usually some sort of dog-whistle which is setting off someone or other. And of course, the response is "well why can't you just leave it? Don't respond!" Well that's kind-of hard, because if you don't you just see everyone agreeing and incorporating that into their thinking - and depending on who you are, that's very disconcerting! | |||
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"Well in part it's just the nature of forums, right? Controversial opinions and tribal tub-thumping gets attention, and it feels good to start a thread people participate in (or, get lots of responses to a message they place). That's why so many online spaces just become a bit of a.. cesspit, I guess? Think Facebook or Twitter. Then there are also all sorts of "dog whistles" - things people say just to wind up other people, without anyone else noticing. A lot of arguments within threads are down to that. As an example, a common thing vegans and "anti-vegans" argue about is carbs vs protein. So, in a thread where a parent complains about school meals being really bad, someone might say something like "yeh, it's so sad, and they're not providing them enough protein so they won't grow ". Now, to most people, that's an innocuous comment - but to a vegan, they know that's not true, and they know the comment is pushing the idea that kids need to eat more meat. So the vegan really feels the need to interject, because now everyone's thinking there should be more meat in school meals - and the vegan is like "no, the problem is that the meal is fucking pizza and chips, not that it's not got enough meat". And then the vegan looks like they've decided to pick a fight.
And, yeh, with veganism it's easier to be like "this is silly, no need to correct people on that" (well, not if you're vegan). But then you consider that there are other comments - e.g. in a thread about knife crime someone could say "we need to bring back stop-and-search!" - which was deprioritised because it disproportionately targeted young black men. A black person would be like "hey, wait a minute, it's not even a black assailant here" and everyone's like "why start an argument about it". Or, in a thread about a lack of police, saying that the problem is too much hate crime reporting. Now, that's a dog whistle that a bunch of people are gonna hear - primarily, people who are disproportionately victims of hate crime. But specifically, there has been a concerted effort to get rid of hate crime legislation by transphobic people as parts of efforts to normalise transphobic speech. So, trans people (and people who know about trans issues) are gonna hear that whistle ringing quite clearly.
So, on the point "why do things get de-railed" - well, it's usually some sort of dog-whistle which is setting off someone or other. And of course, the response is "well why can't you just leave it? Don't respond!" Well that's kind-of hard, because if you don't you just see everyone agreeing and incorporating that into their thinking - and depending on who you are, that's very disconcerting!" | |||
"Why do people have to be so dogmatic and opinionated that their main purpose here is to coneistently find ways to derail perfectly fine conversations, debates and exchange of civilised opinions? I love to hear other people's opinions and probably is one of the main reasons I enjoy the site. The humour and good banter is often great, I learn a lot from a healthy debate on various topics and sometimes there is also good advice and help from others on lots of different things. What does not sit well with me is that I should have to leave a thread because of the behaviour of a handful of sad individuals who think it's their way or no way and it's OK to hijack an otherwise perfect exchange of opinions. Like a dog with a bone they go on and on and if challenged by a few people they try to backtrack pretending it was everybody else that was the issue and not their dogmatic approach. Perhaps I am going to regret this thread and usually just ignore those with such attitude as I would in real life but somehow I felt I needed to get it out of my system. I am off to play with words in the games section. Be kind "Love this thread. Really hope it doesn't get shut down by those in question. One of the best things about a free democracy is the right to free debate. Unfortunately in todays society this is no longer allowed as there is always someone who is offended by another person's opinion. Long gone are the days where we can voice our opinions and openly DEBATE our reasons for difference of opinion in a civilised manner. If you hold opinions for whatever reason that are different to the latest acceptable rhetoric your are shut down and branded the latest derogatory term "racist" "bigot" "fascist" "anti,this,that,or the next. This stops the free open conversation of difference of opinion. | |||
"Love this thread. Really hope it doesn't get shut down by those in question. One of the best things about a free democracy is the right to free debate. Unfortunately in todays society this is no longer allowed as there is always someone who is offended by another person's opinion. Long gone are the days where we can voice our opinions and openly DEBATE our reasons for difference of opinion in a civilised manner. If you hold opinions for whatever reason that are different to the latest acceptable rhetoric your are shut down and branded the latest derogatory term "racist" "bigot" "fascist" "anti,this,that,or the next. This stops the free open conversation of difference of opinion. "So what do you get called "racist", "bigot", or "fascist" for Mr.DCM82?  | |||
"Love this thread. Really hope it doesn't get shut down by those in question. One of the best things about a free democracy is the right to free debate. Unfortunately in todays society this is no longer allowed as there is always someone who is offended by another person's opinion. Long gone are the days where we can voice our opinions and openly DEBATE our reasons for difference of opinion in a civilised manner. If you hold opinions for whatever reason that are different to the latest acceptable rhetoric your are shut down and branded the latest derogatory term "racist" "bigot" "fascist" "anti,this,that,or the next. This stops the free open conversation of difference of opinion.
So what do you get called "racist", "bigot", or "fascist" for Mr.DCM82? "I'm not talking personally about me. My point was we have diluted these terms so much that they are losing their true meaning. For example anyone who voted for Brexit was in debate branded a bigoted racist. Anyone who questions for example the policy of taking in Ukrainian "Refugees" is racist. Fist of all may I say. I fully support taking anyone in to the UK and scotland who is displaced by our active destruction of their country through war. To pin point a certain situation ie Ukraine. Yes its absolutely horrible what these ppl are going through no one with an ounce of humanity would disagree here. But by definition a Refugee is someone fleeing war and seeking refuge in first safe country. A Refugee does not travel through many countries and across a channel to seek refuge. When this happens they become migrants especially when they are given the right to work when they arrive. Again not against this. My problem is. How can we suddenly find these people homes. When we have homeless people on our street? We also have a massive waiting list for people waiting on local authority houses who are currently in what we deem in this country as inhumane living conditions. Is this a racist, bigoted or fascist opinion? Please explain why if you think so. | |||
"Well in part it's just the nature of forums, right? Controversial opinions and tribal tub-thumping gets attention, and it feels good to start a thread people participate in (or, get lots of responses to a message they place). That's why so many online spaces just become a bit of a.. cesspit, I guess? Think Facebook or Twitter. Then there are also all sorts of "dog whistles" - things people say just to wind up other people, without anyone else noticing. A lot of arguments within threads are down to that. As an example, a common thing vegans and "anti-vegans" argue about is carbs vs protein. So, in a thread where a parent complains about school meals being really bad, someone might say something like "yeh, it's so sad, and they're not providing them enough protein so they won't grow ". Now, to most people, that's an innocuous comment - but to a vegan, they know that's not true, and they know the comment is pushing the idea that kids need to eat more meat. So the vegan really feels the need to interject, because now everyone's thinking there should be more meat in school meals - and the vegan is like "no, the problem is that the meal is fucking pizza and chips, not that it's not got enough meat". And then the vegan looks like they've decided to pick a fight.
And, yeh, with veganism it's easier to be like "this is silly, no need to correct people on that" (well, not if you're vegan). But then you consider that there are other comments - e.g. in a thread about knife crime someone could say "we need to bring back stop-and-search!" - which was deprioritised because it disproportionately targeted young black men. A black person would be like "hey, wait a minute, it's not even a black assailant here" and everyone's like "why start an argument about it". Or, in a thread about a lack of police, saying that the problem is too much hate crime reporting. Now, that's a dog whistle that a bunch of people are gonna hear - primarily, people who are disproportionately victims of hate crime. But specifically, there has been a concerted effort to get rid of hate crime legislation by transphobic people as parts of efforts to normalise transphobic speech. So, trans people (and people who know about trans issues) are gonna hear that whistle ringing quite clearly.
So, on the point "why do things get de-railed" - well, it's usually some sort of dog-whistle which is setting off someone or other. And of course, the response is "well why can't you just leave it? Don't respond!" Well that's kind-of hard, because if you don't you just see everyone agreeing and incorporating that into their thinking - and depending on who you are, that's very disconcerting!"May I just say I 1000% agree here. We can never close our eyes to discrimination of any kind and must accept each and every individual belief for what they are. A basic human right. Beliefs are a fundamental human right. Not everyone is going to agree with each others opinions. But so long as they are openly debated without being shut down all the are is opinions. If it gets to the point where people feel physically threatened because of their opinion regardless. This is when it becomes an issue. We all have a right to an opinion. But we do not have the right to force that opinion making others feel threatened no matter that opinion. | |||
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"I got all excited and thought this would be about one of my favourite movies " Sorry to dissapoint  | |||
"I got all excited and thought this would be about one of my favourite movies Sorry to dissapoint "meh... I'm used to disappointment | |||
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"I got all excited and thought this would be about one of my favourite movies " I was gonna say the same | |||
"I got all excited and thought this would be about one of my favourite movies I was gonna say the same " going to go and watch it now... | |||
"Why are we always associating mindless rhetoric with dogs? Should there not be some proportion of catma, in order to keep balance?" I am not sure why to be honest but this did make me laugh | |||
"I got all excited and thought this would be about one of my favourite movies Sorry to dissapoint meh... I'm used to disappointment "Well u won't be disappointed with this thread then. Lol | |||
"I got all excited and thought this would be about one of my favourite movies I was gonna say the same going to go and watch it now... "Get me something from moobys and ill join yer lol | |||
"Why do people have to be so dogmatic and opinionated that their main purpose here is to coneistently find ways to derail perfectly fine conversations, debates and exchange of civilised opinions? I love to hear other people's opinions and probably is one of the main reasons I enjoy the site. The humour and good banter is often great, I learn a lot from a healthy debate on various topics and sometimes there is also good advice and help from others on lots of different things. What does not sit well with me is that I should have to leave a thread because of the behaviour of a handful of sad individuals who think it's their way or no way and it's OK to hijack an otherwise perfect exchange of opinions. Like a dog with a bone they go on and on and if challenged by a few people they try to backtrack pretending it was everybody else that was the issue and not their dogmatic approach. Perhaps I am going to regret this thread and usually just ignore those with such attitude as I would in real life but somehow I felt I needed to get it out of my system. I am off to play with words in the games section. Be kind "Post and be dammed! There will always be differing opinions on a forum topic to think otherwise is being naive. If you learn a lot from the forum debates and giving of advise you need to read more as most is utter drivel. It’s a recreational sex site, nothing more nothing less. To be consistent as to your hypothesis paragraphs are always helpful when reading posts! | |||
"Why are we always associating mindless rhetoric with dogs? Should there not be some proportion of catma, in order to keep balance?" As in catmamdu? That could take the higher ground  | |||
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"Why do people have to be so dogmatic and opinionated that their main purpose here is to coneistently find ways to derail perfectly fine conversations, debates and exchange of civilised opinions? I love to hear other people's opinions and probably is one of the main reasons I enjoy the site. The humour and good banter is often great, I learn a lot from a healthy debate on various topics and sometimes there is also good advice and help from others on lots of different things. What does not sit well with me is that I should have to leave a thread because of the behaviour of a handful of sad individuals who think it's their way or no way and it's OK to hijack an otherwise perfect exchange of opinions. Like a dog with a bone they go on and on and if challenged by a few people they try to backtrack pretending it was everybody else that was the issue and not their dogmatic approach. Perhaps I am going to regret this thread and usually just ignore those with such attitude as I would in real life but somehow I felt I needed to get it out of my system. I am off to play with words in the games section. Be kind
Love this thread. Really hope it doesn't get shut down by those in question.
One of the best things about a free democracy is the right to free debate. Unfortunately in todays society this is no longer allowed as there is always someone who is offended by another person's opinion.
Long gone are the days where we can voice our opinions and openly DEBATE our reasons for difference of opinion in a civilised manner.
If you hold opinions for whatever reason that are different to the latest acceptable rhetoric your are shut down and branded the latest derogatory term "racist" "bigot" "fascist" "anti,this,that,or the next.
This stops the free open conversation of difference of opinion.
"You want to free to make racist or bigoted statements without being called racist or bigoted? | |||
"I got all excited and thought this would be about one of my favourite movies " And me! | |||
"Why do people have to be so dogmatic and opinionated that their main purpose here is to coneistently find ways to derail perfectly fine conversations, debates and exchange of civilised opinions? I love to hear other people's opinions and probably is one of the main reasons I enjoy the site. The humour and good banter is often great, I learn a lot from a healthy debate on various topics and sometimes there is also good advice and help from others on lots of different things. What does not sit well with me is that I should have to leave a thread because of the behaviour of a handful of sad individuals who think it's their way or no way and it's OK to hijack an otherwise perfect exchange of opinions. Like a dog with a bone they go on and on and if challenged by a few people they try to backtrack pretending it was everybody else that was the issue and not their dogmatic approach. Perhaps I am going to regret this thread and usually just ignore those with such attitude as I would in real life but somehow I felt I needed to get it out of my system. I am off to play with words in the games section. Be kind
Love this thread. Really hope it doesn't get shut down by those in question.
One of the best things about a free democracy is the right to free debate. Unfortunately in todays society this is no longer allowed as there is always someone who is offended by another person's opinion.
Long gone are the days where we can voice our opinions and openly DEBATE our reasons for difference of opinion in a civilised manner.
If you hold opinions for whatever reason that are different to the latest acceptable rhetoric your are shut down and branded the latest derogatory term "racist" "bigot" "fascist" "anti,this,that,or the next.
This stops the free open conversation of difference of opinion.
You want to free to make racist or bigoted statements without being called racist or bigoted? "Not In the slightest at all. Can you please point out a racist or bigoted statement I have said. If this is your honest opinion? X | |||
"Why do people have to be so dogmatic and opinionated that their main purpose here is to coneistently find ways to derail perfectly fine conversations, debates and exchange of civilised opinions? I love to hear other people's opinions and probably is one of the main reasons I enjoy the site. The humour and good banter is often great, I learn a lot from a healthy debate on various topics and sometimes there is also good advice and help from others on lots of different things. What does not sit well with me is that I should have to leave a thread because of the behaviour of a handful of sad individuals who think it's their way or no way and it's OK to hijack an otherwise perfect exchange of opinions. Like a dog with a bone they go on and on and if challenged by a few people they try to backtrack pretending it was everybody else that was the issue and not their dogmatic approach. Perhaps I am going to regret this thread and usually just ignore those with such attitude as I would in real life but somehow I felt I needed to get it out of my system. I am off to play with words in the games section. Be kind
Love this thread. Really hope it doesn't get shut down by those in question.
One of the best things about a free democracy is the right to free debate. Unfortunately in todays society this is no longer allowed as there is always someone who is offended by another person's opinion.
Long gone are the days where we can voice our opinions and openly DEBATE our reasons for difference of opinion in a civilised manner.
If you hold opinions for whatever reason that are different to the latest acceptable rhetoric your are shut down and branded the latest derogatory term "racist" "bigot" "fascist" "anti,this,that,or the next.
This stops the free open conversation of difference of opinion.
You want to free to make racist or bigoted statements without being called racist or bigoted?
Not In the slightest at all.
Can you please point out a racist or bigoted statement I have said. If this is your honest opinion? X"It's not my opinion on you since I don't even know you I was refering to your comment "If you hold opinions for whatever reason that are different to the latest acceptable rhetoric your are shut down and branded the latest derogatory term "racist" "bigot" "fascist"" | |||
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