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*** btw- this isn’t me shaming those that do. But I really can’t with it. | |||
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"When I put the charger into my daughter's iPhone it's says in a creepy voice "stick it in me daddy" ffs it makes my skin crawl." Hahahaha. This made me laugh more than it should….  mine just tells me ‘this accessory is not compatible’  | |||
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"Yes some do. I’d run a mile and i don’t run. I find it creepy. Definitely not for me " I’d like to run up your mile… | |||
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"Do men like being called daddy, if yes why?" Only by my kids and that was when they were little, on here I’m afraid it’s not for me. Being a chap of a certain age with a hairy chest and a belly I get this a bit as well. | |||
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"Yes some do. I’d run a mile and i don’t run. I find it creepy. Definitely not for me " This, not for me either | |||
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"Yes some do. I’d run a mile and i don’t run. I find it creepy. Definitely not for me I’d like to run up your mile… " | |||
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"Do men like being called daddy, if yes why?" Ask this on another site op and you’ll get a very very different answer. Kinks have been shamed for a long time on this swinging site and most of those that would do something considered “very kinky” have long since left, or learned not to admit to anything.
Even talking about kinks get you a time out too. .. I think. | |||
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"Do men like being called daddy, if yes why? Ask this on another site op and you’ll get a very very different answer. Kinks have been shamed for a long time on this swinging site and most of those that would do something considered “very kinky” have long since left, or learned not to admit to anything.
Even talking about kinks get you a time out too. .. I think. "*certain kinks will get you a time out. | |||
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"Do men like being called daddy, if yes why? Ask this on another site op and you’ll get a very very different answer. Kinks have been shamed for a long time on this swinging site and most of those that would do something considered “very kinky” have long since left, or learned not to admit to anything.
Even talking about kinks get you a time out too. .. I think. "There is no way in hell I would mention some of my kink here. It's very judgemental. It's fine to fuck 10 people at a club, but god forbid anyone enjoys something that's not vanilla. I've taken stuff off my interests list because I got hassle and creepy messages. | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy". "For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth. | |||
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There is very little that beats the feeling when she is wrapped in your arms after a brutal session and she looks up at you and whispers “thank you Daddy”!
When used it conveys the authority, control, care, nurturing, safety and trust they place in you.
I much prefer it to any of the other pet names or terms of endearment used between people. They all feel hollow now. | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy". "You mean not express their own opinion on a Forum meant for expressing our own opinion ?  | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth. " | |||
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"I've taken stuff off my interests list because I got hassle and *creepy* messages. " | |||
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"Even talking about kinks get you a time out too. .. I think. " From what I remember when I was approached before its more about not discussing anything illegal or that refers to bodily harm as the forums are available for registered and non registered users. They do want to allow conversation, but not deal with any aggregation from upset third parties. | |||
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"Do men like being called daddy, if yes why? Ask this on another site op and you’ll get a very very different answer. Kinks have been shamed for a long time on this swinging site and most of those that would do something considered “very kinky” have long since left, or learned not to admit to anything.
Even talking about kinks get you a time out too. .. I think.
There is no way in hell I would mention some of my kink here. It's very judgemental. It's fine to fuck 10 people at a club, but god forbid anyone enjoys something that's not vanilla. I've taken stuff off my interests list because I got hassle and creepy messages. "Thank you for reminding me to do better in being accepting of others x | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy". "Why? I do find it creepy. You don't and that is fair enough | |||
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Spank me now for being honest! | |||
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"I find it weird... I find it creepy.... I also find it a bit strange.... Do i care what people of Fab think of my opinion, like f##k do i...
Spank me now for being honest! "Over the knee you go | |||
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"I find it weird... I find it creepy.... I also find it a bit strange.... Do i care what people of Fab think of my opinion, like f##k do i...
Spank me now for being honest!
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth. "I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them. You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different. I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that. I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good. 
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"Do men like being called daddy, if yes why? Ask this on another site op and you’ll get a very very different answer. Kinks have been shamed for a long time on this swinging site and most of those that would do something considered “very kinky” have long since left, or learned not to admit to anything.
Even talking about kinks get you a time out too. .. I think.
There is no way in hell I would mention some of my kink here. It's very judgemental. It's fine to fuck 10 people at a club, but god forbid anyone enjoys something that's not vanilla. I've taken stuff off my interests list because I got hassle and creepy messages. " | |||
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"I find it weird... I find it creepy.... I also find it a bit strange.... Do i care what people of Fab think of my opinion, like f##k do i...
Spank me now for being honest!
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
A"I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever kink shamed or been offensive but if I have I would welcome being messaged and being told and I would take it on board. However I won’t lie, sugarcoat or follow the crowd when I don’t agree or like something. There is a big difference x | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
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I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever kink shamed or been offensive but if I have I would welcome being messaged and being told and I would take it on board. However I won’t lie, sugarcoat or follow the crowd when I don’t agree or like something. There is a big difference x"Using a particular word isnt kink shaming at all..... its a word not a statement against those that do say it. Just another way on here for people to start nit picking other peoples answers on a forum question. Like being at pre school again | |||
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"I personally wouldn’t mind it "Papi? | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
A"Did you just marmite shame? Because that’s exactly what those deviants deserve | |||
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"I personally wouldn’t mind it
Papi? "Haha that’s great yeah  | |||
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties "What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh  | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
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I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever kink shamed or been offensive but if I have I would welcome being messaged and being told and I would take it on board. However I won’t lie, sugarcoat or follow the crowd when I don’t agree or like something. There is a big difference x"No you haven't Nora, it's good to have differing opinions but don't tear others down for their views | |||
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties
What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh "Is that moist in general? What about moist people?? | |||
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties
What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh "Nooooooooooooooo ffs | |||
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties
What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh
Is that moist in general?
What about moist people??"I’ve never really thought about someone as a moist person. | |||
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties "• Just like drugs; 'goes without saying. | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
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I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever kink shamed or been offensive but if I have I would welcome being messaged and being told and I would take it on board. However I won’t lie, sugarcoat or follow the crowd when I don’t agree or like something. There is a big difference x
No you haven't Nora, it's good to have differing opinions but don't tear others down for their views "I worded that wrongly, meaning you can't have an opinion without others tearing it down it seems | |||
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties
What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh
Is that moist in general?
What about moist people??
I’ve never really thought about someone as a moist person. "Whenever I hear that word I think of the Helen Thomas ‘I’m moist’ meme that has been floating around a long time | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
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I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever kink shamed or been offensive but if I have I would welcome being messaged and being told and I would take it on board. However I won’t lie, sugarcoat or follow the crowd when I don’t agree or like something. There is a big difference x
No you haven't Nora, it's good to have differing opinions but don't tear others down for their views
I worded that wrongly, meaning you can't have an opinion without others tearing it down it seems"Haha I wasn’t sure which way you meant it so I didn’t reply. I think that’s true. Especially if your opinion is not a majority one. | |||
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties
What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh
Is that moist in general?
What about moist people??
I’ve never really thought about someone as a moist person. "You've not seen me do hot yoga Nora | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
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I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever kink shamed or been offensive but if I have I would welcome being messaged and being told and I would take it on board. However I won’t lie, sugarcoat or follow the crowd when I don’t agree or like something. There is a big difference x
No you haven't Nora, it's good to have differing opinions but don't tear others down for their views
I worded that wrongly, meaning you can't have an opinion without others tearing it down it seems"Standard Fab life that lately..... | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
A
I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever kink shamed or been offensive but if I have I would welcome being messaged and being told and I would take it on board. However I won’t lie, sugarcoat or follow the crowd when I don’t agree or like something. There is a big difference x
No you haven't Nora, it's good to have differing opinions but don't tear others down for their views
I worded that wrongly, meaning you can't have an opinion without others tearing it down it seems
Standard Fab life that lately....."Rubbish | |||
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"I knew a few guy who loved it. Made him so fucking hard when he was fucking me, I didn’t ask why. But I also love his big dick getting rock hard so i went with it. " This , people use all sorts of fantasies in sex and are able to compartmentalise away from normal life, isn’t that why most are here?
I’ve been with women who’ve liked to call me it, they love it and get off on it, the sex is amazing so I don’t call them out on it! I don’t crave it but it’s a sexual fantasy for them, who am I to judge | |||
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties
What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh
Is that moist in general?
What about moist people??
I’ve never really thought about someone as a moist person.
Whenever I hear that word I think of the Helen Thomas ‘I’m moist’ meme that has been floating around a long time "Hahaha. Too funny. Moister than an oyster. Smell my musk. | |||
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties
What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh
Is that moist in general?
What about moist people??
I’ve never really thought about someone as a moist person.
You've not seen me do hot yoga Nora "Hahaha. Actually beetroot faced me coming out of the gym could be described as a moist person! | |||
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"So the overwhelming response is that it’s not a turn on for men nor women. I suspect many do like it but may also may be ashamed to say here which is weird because of the nature of this site. I’m curious to all those who don’t like it how do they feel about being called baby? People use babe or baby ALL the time and it’s not given a second thought. " Exactly the same way, if someone called me "Baby" during sex, its a turn off for me....... In everyday conversation the word "babe" is used in a totally different way altogether. | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth.
I've never been into kink shaming. What adults do in their own time consentually with others is up to them.
You'll also see people stating things like that. If something creeps someone out or they find it 'disgusting' then so long as they're purely expressing a personal opinion then that's fine. Stating that a specific act is disgusting full stop os different.
I suspect anything related to age play will often get a more general negative response than other subjects because of potential connotations with other things that go on in the world. But there's a difference between adults role playing and what happens outside of that.
I find marmite disgusting but others don't. I'll say out loud that I think it's disgusting. But thats me. If other sick, demented freaks want to eat that shit then it's all good.
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I agree. I don’t think I’ve ever kink shamed or been offensive but if I have I would welcome being messaged and being told and I would take it on board. However I won’t lie, sugarcoat or follow the crowd when I don’t agree or like something. There is a big difference x
No you haven't Nora, it's good to have differing opinions but don't tear others down for their views
I worded that wrongly, meaning you can't have an opinion without others tearing it down it seems
Standard Fab life that lately.....
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties "How about moist? Or maybe.....moist panties? 
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties
What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh
Is that moist in general?
What about moist people??
I’ve never really thought about someone as a moist person. "I’m too young for these forums. I need to leave | |||
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"Ngl I like it when someone tells me to call them daddy." Then you're a good girl, Princess. | |||
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"When I put the charger into my daughter's iPhone it's says in a creepy voice "stick it in me daddy" ffs it makes my skin crawl." Lol that’s quite funny though. She’s trolling you with it totally
I find all these mommy daddy etc baby girl blah blah if it’s all tongue in cheek piss taking almost then it can be mildly amusing in right match up.
Like any weird fetish to masses it’s when people push it far or serious it’s problematic
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties
What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh
Is that moist in general?
What about moist people??
I’ve never really thought about someone as a moist person.
I’m too young for these forums. I need to leave "Or I’m too old! Probably more the latter! | |||
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"You know everyone has to be pervert of some degree on here right "This checks out | |||
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"Do men like being called daddy, if yes why? Ask this on another site op and you’ll get a very very different answer. Kinks have been shamed for a long time on this swinging site and most of those that would do something considered “very kinky” have long since left, or learned not to admit to anything.
Even talking about kinks get you a time out too. .. I think. "Too right | |||
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"You know everyone has to be pervert of some degree on here right
This checks out "At some point in life all of us are on here will need to repent to man upstairs . Ahem | |||
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"For me it's creepy, right alongside panties
What about moist panties? Aaaarghhhhhhhhhhhh
Is that moist in general?
What about moist people??
I’ve never really thought about someone as a moist person.
I’m too young for these forums. I need to leave
Or I’m too old! Probably more the latter! "you’re not. I’m the one that uses the language nobody gets. 
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"Prefer uncle albert Better than uncle fester " should always let it fester | |||
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"Ngl I like it when someone tells me to call them daddy. Then you're a good girl, Princess. "Thankyou daddy | |||
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"When I put the charger into my daughter's iPhone it's says in a creepy voice "stick it in me daddy" ffs it makes my skin crawl." This is brilliant! | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone. "I hear you Steve, I think it's the word creepy that gets people into the kink. Normally you associate the word with an action that's directed towards you. For example the person was looking at me in a creepy way, the person put their hand on my waist as they tried to get to the bar was creepy. What people do in their own bedroom shouldn't creep anyone out. | |||
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"When I put the charger into my daughter's iPhone it's says in a creepy voice "stick it in me daddy" ffs it makes my skin crawl. This is brilliant! "Think its a slowed down version of Stewie Griffin's voice. | |||
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"Ngl I like it when someone tells me to call them daddy. Then you're a good girl, Princess.
Thankyou daddy"flawless, clap clap clap | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone.
I hear you Steve, I think it's the word creepy that gets people into the kink. Normally you associate the word with an action that's directed towards you. For example the person was looking at me in a creepy way, the person put their hand on my waist as they tried to get to the bar was creepy. What people do in their own bedroom shouldn't creep anyone out.
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth. "It was a polite request. Not a demand. | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone.
I hear you Steve, I think it's the word creepy that gets people into the kink. Normally you associate the word with an action that's directed towards you. For example the person was looking at me in a creepy way, the person put their hand on my waist as they tried to get to the bar was creepy. What people do in their own bedroom shouldn't creep anyone out.
"The OP actually asks what men think about being called Daddy, and by extension some women have said what effect the word has on them. The word 'creepy' in that context is an absolutely valid opinion, nothing to do with judging others private behaviour | |||
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"Ngl I like it when someone tells me to call them daddy. Then you're a good girl, Princess.
Thankyou daddy"You're very welcome, little one. (How creeped out do you think people are getting... ) | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone. "Far worse has been said or done. Most people on here couldn’t stomach watching let alone participating in what we like to do, but thats the beauty of personal choice. Its difficult at times to not take what people say personally or see it as an attack against you. | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone. "I think that language is important as is understanding. Whilst offence might not have been meant, adding value based language can demean. Freedom to say what you like is good but it works both ways. If I were to say that those demeaning and judging others were assholes, there would be hell to pay! It’s all value based language though. I think that a touch of awareness goes a long way. We’re all on a swingers site and do things that general society would consider deviant. There’s enough judgement already without adding to it ourselves. I think that the phrase; ‘your kink isn’t my kink but that’s ok’ or ‘don’t yuck someone else’s yum’, fit very well here and should be used more readily in reference to things that we might find a little less than mainstream | |||
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"You know everyone has to be pervert of some degree on here right
This checks out
At some point in life all of us are on here will need to repent to man upstairs . Ahem "I used to live in a flat and the man upstairs was a complete weirdo. Probably more of a pervert than me. Fuck that! A | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone.
I think that language is important as is understanding.
Whilst offence might not have been meant, adding value based language can demean.
Freedom to say what you like is good but it works both ways. If I were to say that those demeaning and judging others were assholes, there would be hell to pay! It’s all value based language though.
I think that a touch of awareness goes a long way. We’re all on a swingers site and do things that general society would consider deviant. There’s enough judgement already without adding to it ourselves.
I think that the phrase; ‘your kink isn’t my kink but that’s ok’ or ‘don’t yuck someone else’s yum’, fit very well here and should be used more readily in reference to things that we might find a little less than mainstream"Yes! Beautifully said _ea monkey . I love your way with words. And I’ve learned those phrases now so thank you. | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy". "But if that's how it makes them feel are you asking them to not express their feelings freely? I have absolutely no problem with the term and clearly lots of people love it. I don't like it being said to me, it makes me cringe. | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone.
I think that language is important as is understanding.
Whilst offence might not have been meant, adding value based language can demean.
Freedom to say what you like is good but it works both ways. If I were to say that those demeaning and judging others were assholes, there would be hell to pay! It’s all value based language though.
I think that a touch of awareness goes a long way. We’re all on a swingers site and do things that general society would consider deviant. There’s enough judgement already without adding to it ourselves.
I think that the phrase; ‘your kink isn’t my kink but that’s ok’ or ‘don’t yuck someone else’s yum’, fit very well here and should be used more readily in reference to things that we might find a little less than mainstream"Absolutely, Tea. Plenty of people on the thread found a way to say they weren't into it without adding value judgements. And no doubt for even asking people not to kink shame, there will be comeback elsewhere on the forum. As there always is. | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone.
I hear you Steve, I think it's the word creepy that gets people into the kink. Normally you associate the word with an action that's directed towards you. For example the person was looking at me in a creepy way, the person put their hand on my waist as they tried to get to the bar was creepy. What people do in their own bedroom shouldn't creep anyone out.
The OP actually asks what men think about being called Daddy, and by extension some women have said what effect the word has on them. The word 'creepy' in that context is an absolutely valid opinion, nothing to do with judging others private behaviour"Of course. But I understand why someone might be upset by the use of the term creepy here. It reads judgementally even if not intended that way. And I think although we don’t have to change the way we word things, I don’t see the harm in doing so but I do see the positives of it and they’re worth it. | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone.
Far worse has been said or done. Most people on here couldn’t stomach watching let alone participating in what we like to do, but thats the beauty of personal choice.
Its difficult at times to not take what people say personally or see it as an attack against you."It is. And I do think we all have to learn that. I know I do. It’s hard to not see things as personal attacks. But you know I think the main thing is that offence was not meant and that means it resents a learning opportunity. And they’re always good. | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
But if that's how it makes them feel are you asking them to not express their feelings freely?
I have absolutely no problem with the term and clearly lots of people love it. I don't like it being said to me, it makes me cringe."Despite it being said many many many times before that people find the value judgements and kink shaming unpleasant - people still keep doing it. If it was another topic - like fat people - I don't think that you'd be arguing the same thing. | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ? "Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming. | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming. "Yes, not judgemental at all that, no way ! | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone.
I hear you Steve, I think it's the word creepy that gets people into the kink. Normally you associate the word with an action that's directed towards you. For example the person was looking at me in a creepy way, the person put their hand on my waist as they tried to get to the bar was creepy. What people do in their own bedroom shouldn't creep anyone out.
The OP actually asks what men think about being called Daddy, and by extension some women have said what effect the word has on them. The word 'creepy' in that context is an absolutely valid opinion, nothing to do with judging others private behaviour"Sorry must have missed the part where I wrote, their opinions weren't valid | |||
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"There are quite a few names I don't like and being called Daddy is one of them. Babe, Honey, Dude, and bear, just a few to mention are not my thing." Boy is another | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming. "I think the only answer is for everyone just to answer yes or no to everything on the forum. No debates, no opinions, nobody offended
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming. "So if there was a thread about fisting or double penetration or having sex with randoms at a club and I called them vile. That wouldn't get me flamed? That would be ok? Because any time I see value judgments used about other things - people are flamed. But it's fine when it's the kinky stuff because we're in the minority. Good that I know the rules now. | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
I think the only answer is for everyone just to answer yes or no to everything on the forum. No debates, no opinions, nobody offended
What a fun place it would be "Yep thought someone would come back with that trope. | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
I think the only answer is for everyone just to answer yes or no to everything on the forum. No debates, no opinions, nobody offended
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"There are quite a few names I don't like and being called Daddy is one of them. Babe, Honey, Dude, and bear, just a few to mention are not my thing. Boy is another " Many people say being called girl is creepy/weird. I don’t mind it at all. It also doesn’t offend me that others think it’s weird. | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ? "Why not? It's fine to invalidate mine. | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
For goodness sakes. If people find it creepy they find it creepy. I find it creepy. Me saying that’s disgusting you shouldn’t do that you’re weird is shaming . Me saying I find it creepy is me telling the truth. "With you on that Nora | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
I think the only answer is for everyone just to answer yes or no to everything on the forum. No debates, no opinions, nobody offended
What a fun place it would be
Yep thought someone would come back with that trope. ". Trope. That’s the new popular fab word. I quite like it | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
I think the only answer is for everyone just to answer yes or no to everything on the forum. No debates, no opinions, nobody offended
What a fun place it would be
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
I think the only answer is for everyone just to answer yes or no to everything on the forum. No debates, no opinions, nobody offended
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
So if there was a thread about fisting or double penetration or having sex with randoms at a club and I called them vile. That wouldn't get me flamed? That would be ok? Because any time I see value judgments used about other things - people are flamed. But it's fine when it's the kinky stuff because we're in the minority. Good that I know the rules now. "Expressing an opinion on whether you like something is not kink shaming others. If it is then you can't ever say you don't like a sexual activity. As far as I have seen in this thread, no one has said 'I don't like the word Daddy and anyone who uses it needs their head examining'. I'd accept that being kink shaming. | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
So if there was a thread about fisting or double penetration or having sex with randoms at a club and I called them vile. That wouldn't get me flamed? That would be ok? Because any time I see value judgments used about other things - people are flamed. But it's fine when it's the kinky stuff because we're in the minority. Good that I know the rules now.
Expressing an opinion on whether you like something is not kink shaming others. If it is then you can't ever say you don't like a sexual activity.
As far as I have seen in this thread, no one has said 'I don't like the word Daddy and anyone who uses it needs their head examining'. I'd accept that being kink shaming."Common sense finally
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
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I think the only answer is for everyone just to answer yes or no to everything on the forum. No debates, no opinions, nobody offended
What a fun place it would be
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ? "No. Their feelings are perfectly valid as are those of those that feel that they’re being judged. Freedom of expression doesn’t work just one way. You can’t express your opinion freely without expecting recourse for those opinions. If you express your opinions with respect, then things are much better | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
So if there was a thread about fisting or double penetration or having sex with randoms at a club and I called them vile. That wouldn't get me flamed? That would be ok? Because any time I see value judgments used about other things - people are flamed. But it's fine when it's the kinky stuff because we're in the minority. Good that I know the rules now.
Expressing an opinion on whether you like something is not kink shaming others. If it is then you can't ever say you don't like a sexual activity.
As far as I have seen in this thread, no one has said 'I don't like the word Daddy and anyone who uses it needs their head examining'. I'd accept that being kink shaming."As would I | |||
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"There are quite a few names I don't like and being called Daddy is one of them. Babe, Honey, Dude, and bear, just a few to mention are not my thing. Boy is another Many people say being called girl is creepy/weird. I don’t mind it at all. It also doesn’t offend me that others think it’s weird. " Always knew you was a weirdo Nora | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
But if that's how it makes them feel are you asking them to not express their feelings freely?
I have absolutely no problem with the term and clearly lots of people love it. I don't like it being said to me, it makes me cringe.
Despite it being said many many many times before that people find the value judgements and kink shaming unpleasant - people still keep doing it. If it was another topic - like fat people - I don't think that you'd be arguing the same thing. "Funnily enough, I've had this same discussion on "who likes beards" type threads. People who DON'T like beards can use some very choice language to express their outrage at what someone else does with their hair. (Apparently beards are "lazy", "untidy", "unclean", "disgusting", "smelly" and "make you look like a tramp" amongst plenty of other things) Invariably when I've called out this kind of behaviour I'm told I'm overreacting, a snowflake, I should "man up", and that I'm out of order for trying to stifle free speech. Apparently their freedom to be really unpleasant to complete strangers trumps my right to expect the bare minimum level of common courtesy. | |||
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"Do men like being called daddy, if yes why?" Hate it. I find it disgusting, but each to their own. Mr. J | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
No. Their feelings are perfectly valid as are those of those that feel that they’re being judged.
Freedom of expression doesn’t work just one way. You can’t express your opinion freely without expecting recourse for those opinions.
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
I think the only answer is for everyone just to answer yes or no to everything on the forum. No debates, no opinions, nobody offended
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
So if there was a thread about fisting or double penetration or having sex with randoms at a club and I called them vile. That wouldn't get me flamed? That would be ok? Because any time I see value judgments used about other things - people are flamed. But it's fine when it's the kinky stuff because we're in the minority. Good that I know the rules now.
Expressing an opinion on whether you like something is not kink shaming others. If it is then you can't ever say you don't like a sexual activity.
As far as I have seen in this thread, no one has said 'I don't like the word Daddy and anyone who uses it needs their head examining'. I'd accept that being kink shaming.
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
No. Their feelings are perfectly valid as are those of those that feel that they’re being judged.
Freedom of expression doesn’t work just one way. You can’t express your opinion freely without expecting recourse for those opinions.
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
So if there was a thread about fisting or double penetration or having sex with randoms at a club and I called them vile. That wouldn't get me flamed? That would be ok? Because any time I see value judgments used about other things - people are flamed. But it's fine when it's the kinky stuff because we're in the minority. Good that I know the rules now.
Expressing an opinion on whether you like something is not kink shaming others. If it is then you can't ever say you don't like a sexual activity.
As far as I have seen in this thread, no one has said 'I don't like the word Daddy and anyone who uses it needs their head examining'. I'd accept that being kink shaming.
As would I "Yes, and no one has done that so it's a shame the thread was derailed with straw man arguments. | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
No. Their feelings are perfectly valid as are those of those that feel that they’re being judged.
Freedom of expression doesn’t work just one way. You can’t express your opinion freely without expecting recourse for those opinions.
If you express your opinions with respect, then things are much better
I don’t think anyone has been disrespectful on this thread. At all "I agree | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
So if there was a thread about fisting or double penetration or having sex with randoms at a club and I called them vile. That wouldn't get me flamed? That would be ok? Because any time I see value judgments used about other things - people are flamed. But it's fine when it's the kinky stuff because we're in the minority. Good that I know the rules now.
Expressing an opinion on whether you like something is not kink shaming others. If it is then you can't ever say you don't like a sexual activity.
As far as I have seen in this thread, no one has said 'I don't like the word Daddy and anyone who uses it needs their head examining'. I'd accept that being kink shaming.
As would I
Ah well as long as you two are happy. "So we’re getting personal now? I don’t think it’s just us two either. | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
So if there was a thread about fisting or double penetration or having sex with randoms at a club and I called them vile. That wouldn't get me flamed? That would be ok? Because any time I see value judgments used about other things - people are flamed. But it's fine when it's the kinky stuff because we're in the minority. Good that I know the rules now.
Expressing an opinion on whether you like something is not kink shaming others. If it is then you can't ever say you don't like a sexual activity.
As far as I have seen in this thread, no one has said 'I don't like the word Daddy and anyone who uses it needs their head examining'. I'd accept that being kink shaming.
As would I
Ah well as long as you two are happy. "Everyone should be happy, we are all alive arent we?? | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
Yes and anyone who expresses a personally negative view of any sexual activity in relation to whether they like it or not must be kink shaming.
So if there was a thread about fisting or double penetration or having sex with randoms at a club and I called them vile. That wouldn't get me flamed? That would be ok? Because any time I see value judgments used about other things - people are flamed. But it's fine when it's the kinky stuff because we're in the minority. Good that I know the rules now.
Expressing an opinion on whether you like something is not kink shaming others. If it is then you can't ever say you don't like a sexual activity.
As far as I have seen in this thread, no one has said 'I don't like the word Daddy and anyone who uses it needs their head examining'. I'd accept that being kink shaming.
As would I
Ah well as long as you two are happy. "Very respectful that. | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy". "Think it depends on the dynamic like most things if it's consensual and it's between two adults. Live and let live it's like a Chanel on the TV if it's not for you get the remote and find something you like | |||
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"Do men like being called daddy, if yes why? Ask this on another site op and you’ll get a very very different answer. Kinks have been shamed for a long time on this swinging site and most of those that would do something considered “very kinky” have long since left, or learned not to admit to anything.
Even talking about kinks get you a time out too. .. I think.
There is no way in hell I would mention some of my kink here. It's very judgemental. It's fine to fuck 10 people at a club, but god forbid anyone enjoys something that's not vanilla. I've taken stuff off my interests list because I got hassle and creepy messages. "
I like quite like being called Daddy, it’s kinda hot , it’s not really part of the DD/lg which I’m also into ! It’s just fun and playful in bed, I’m
Into all kinds of verbal kink though
My kids all call me by my first name!
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
But if that's how it makes them feel are you asking them to not express their feelings freely?
I have absolutely no problem with the term and clearly lots of people love it. I don't like it being said to me, it makes me cringe.
Despite it being said many many many times before that people find the value judgements and kink shaming unpleasant - people still keep doing it. If it was another topic - like fat people - I don't think that you'd be arguing the same thing. "Do you want me to apologise for reading the thread and responding to the first post that I felt I needed to respond to? I didn't see the many many others disagreeing with you until afterwards. But it's ok, I'm clearly the one at fault here. Everyone is allowed an opinion, I'm allowed to voice mine. You can disagree with it. I'm not shaming you or anyone else. I also don't care who is or isn't fat, that's their body. | |||
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"It would be SO nice if people could say that's not for me without using the word "creepy".
But if that's how it makes them feel are you asking them to not express their feelings freely?
I have absolutely no problem with the term and clearly lots of people love it. I don't like it being said to me, it makes me cringe.
Despite it being said many many many times before that people find the value judgements and kink shaming unpleasant - people still keep doing it. If it was another topic - like fat people - I don't think that you'd be arguing the same thing. "I think the reasoning behind not liking ddlg/age play is a lot more understandable than the reason of not liking fat people. | |||
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"As you can see it's a very polarising topic. I'm in the it's creepy camp and block anyone asking if they can call me mummy." I reckon each to their own. But have also blocked for being asked about being called mummy. Sexually it would not float my boat at all | |||
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"So people who find the use of that word in a sexual context *personally* creepy must have their feelings invalidated ?
No. Their feelings are perfectly valid as are those of those that feel that they’re being judged.
Freedom of expression doesn’t work just one way. You can’t express your opinion freely without expecting recourse for those opinions.
If you express your opinions with respect, then things are much better
I don’t think anyone has been disrespectful on this thread. At all "If I were to say that all people who have sex outside of their marriage are creepy or weird, would that be viewed the same way? I doubt it. Respect is about using language that you’d be happy hearing yourself. I respect the opinions of those that dislike it, I don’t respect the value based language used. Simply because it’s a more polarising topic, doesn’t mean that value based language is ok | |||
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"By the way I’m sorry to those that feel this descended into kink shaming. You’re free to do do what you like with consenting people. It’s not creepy or weird. Just not for me or others. Don’t think offence has been meant by anyone.
I hear you Steve, I think it's the word creepy that gets people into the kink. Normally you associate the word with an action that's directed towards you. For example the person was looking at me in a creepy way, the person put their hand on my waist as they tried to get to the bar was creepy. What people do in their own bedroom shouldn't creep anyone out.
The OP actually asks what men think about being called Daddy, and by extension some women have said what effect the word has on them. The word 'creepy' in that context is an absolutely valid opinion, nothing to do with judging others private behaviour"And I was replying to Steve's post. And wanted on a thread that was turning into an argument. The viewpoint of why some dislike the word creepy and why. Instead of discussing my opinion and yours on the term. And actually having a debate. It is you who has invalidated what I was saying. Please don't accuse me of something you yourself are doing, thanks | |||
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