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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
The English Football team are playing a match v Italy behind closed doors as a sanction for poor fan behaviour at Euro 2020 when they stormed the stadium. Big failings by the Chief of Police and his men. So who is go blame?
Police or fans? |
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"The English Football team are playing a match v Italy behind closed doors as a sanction for poor fan behaviour at Euro 2020 when they stormed the stadium. Big failings by the Chief of Police and his men. So who is go blame?
Police or fans? "
Fans, if you can call them that |
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By *omer47Man
over a year ago
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I'm a big football fan and if you don't go to games then you don't really know whats happening really. You only have the press for information,and they don't really tell it as it is. If you believe what you read in the papers then thats up to you. If you don't go to games you don't know the truth and therefore shouldn't comment. |
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"I'm a big football fan and if you don't go to games then you don't really know whats happening really. You only have the press for information,and they don't really tell it as it is. If you believe what you read in the papers then thats up to you. If you don't go to games you don't know the truth and therefore shouldn't comment. "
Yeah I guess they faked all those people rushing through |
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"I'm a big football fan and if you don't go to games then you don't really know whats happening really. You only have the press for information,and they don't really tell it as it is. If you believe what you read in the papers then thats up to you. If you don't go to games you don't know the truth and therefore shouldn't comment. "
So what is the truth? |
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Maybe we should blame the dealers who supplied the marching powder?
The broken society that led these idiots to believe they had a right to be there in an alcohol and fuelled state?
Life bans for all those who can be identified IMHO. They made their choices and we all pay the price. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a big football fan and if you don't go to games then you don't really know whats happening really. You only have the press for information,and they don't really tell it as it is. If you believe what you read in the papers then thats up to you. If you don't go to games you don't know the truth and therefore shouldn't comment. "
Yeah the media made it all up  |
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By *hismMan
over a year ago
Ballygonowhere |
"The English Football team are playing a match v Italy behind closed doors as a sanction for poor fan behaviour at Euro 2020 when they stormed the stadium. Big failings by the Chief of Police and his men. So who is go blame?
Police or fans? "
The so called fans of course.
The police react to riots,they don't start them. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"The English Football team are playing a match v Italy behind closed doors as a sanction for poor fan behaviour at Euro 2020 when they stormed the stadium. Big failings by the Chief of Police and his men. So who is go blame?
Police or fans?
The so called fans of course.
The police react to riots,they don't start them."
According to some they started a riot on Clapham Common |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The Head of the Met at the time was a she, not a he, and she and the Met totally failed to police the Final correctly or protect the public. Left it all to minimum wage Security at Wembley. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"The Head of the Met at the time was a she, not a he, and she and the Met totally failed to police the Final correctly or protect the public. Left it all to minimum wage Security at Wembley."
How many police would you need to stop a stampede?
What it boils down to is men not being able to control themselves. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Head of the Met at the time was a she, not a he, and she and the Met totally failed to police the Final correctly or protect the public. Left it all to minimum wage Security at Wembley.
How many police would you need to stop a stampede?
What it boils down to is men not being able to control themselves. "
They watched Green Street and Football Factory a few too many times and then had a bit too much Colombian marching powder.
I’m a foot ally fan but you see stuff like this all the time at matches. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Head of the Met at the time was a she, not a he, and she and the Met totally failed to police the Final correctly or protect the public. Left it all to minimum wage Security at Wembley.
How many police would you need to stop a stampede?
What it boils down to is men not being able to control themselves. "
Fans without tickets were gathering around Wembley from early in the morning, drinking heavily and taking other things but the Met didn't send any officers until 3pm !! The judicial report into the trouble heavily criticised the police who had to make a public apology afterwards. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Head of the Met at the time was a she, not a he, and she and the Met totally failed to police the Final correctly or protect the public. Left it all to minimum wage Security at Wembley.
How many police would you need to stop a stampede?
What it boils down to is men not being able to control themselves.
They watched Green Street and Football Factory a few too many times and then had a bit too much Colombian marching powder.
I’m a foot ally fan but you see stuff like this all the time at matches."
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
"The Head of the Met at the time was a she, not a he, and she and the Met totally failed to police the Final correctly or protect the public. Left it all to minimum wage Security at Wembley.
How many police would you need to stop a stampede?
What it boils down to is men not being able to control themselves.
Fans without tickets were gathering around Wembley from early in the morning, drinking heavily and taking other things but the Met didn't send any officers until 3pm !! The judicial report into the trouble heavily criticised the police who had to make a public apology afterwards."
Did they storm the pitch? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Head of the Met at the time was a she, not a he, and she and the Met totally failed to police the Final correctly or protect the public. Left it all to minimum wage Security at Wembley.
How many police would you need to stop a stampede?
What it boils down to is men not being able to control themselves.
Fans without tickets were gathering around Wembley from early in the morning, drinking heavily and taking other things but the Met didn't send any officers until 3pm !! The judicial report into the trouble heavily criticised the police who had to make a public apology afterwards."
Instead of blaming the police how about the government who allocates their funding stands up and takes responsibility too. Underfunded and undervalued with good officers leaving. The police can only do what it can with resources given...
Maybe if these multi million pound football clubs paid for their own policing to sort out these humans who cannot conduct themselves appropriately then there would be less of a problem....
Again the police are a scapegoat for the incompetent government behind it
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By *ean counterMan
over a year ago
Market Harborough/ Kettering |
I was at Wembley that day and the main problem was alcohol! Idiots were walking from the underground to the stadium with boxes of beer on their shoulders! Not sure what the police were supposed to do as there were too many idiots to deal with !  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
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They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I was at Wembley that day and the main problem was alcohol! Idiots were walking from the underground to the stadium with boxes of beer on their shoulders! Not sure what the police were supposed to do as there were too many idiots to deal with ! "
Exactly, the numbers don't add. Usually forces will call upon trained police from another area, my fwb is riot trained and a trained firearms officer, he can get called to anywhere but the reality is there is not enough of these specialist officers and no funding to train them |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days."
Then why are the police being blamed? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I just think the boys in blue are all jokers actual gangs "
Agreed. But that’s for another thread.
In terms of this thread, I’m sure the police could’ve handled it better but we cannot above the fans who participated in this behaviour of blame just because there wasn’t enough people to stop them doing so. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was lucky enough to have a ticket for the Final last Summer, and by the time I was in the ground and in my seat saw no trouble at all until I heard about when I got home.
However, as the tournament progressed the behaviour outside the stadium got progressively worse, and on the day of the Final itself the throng of people outside was huge, no way did they all have tickets. Most were pissed and co-ked out of their heads, it’s no surprise that some tried to storm the gates.
I also know LOADS of people that were desperate for tickets that couldn’t get them yet the likes of z-list celebrities all seemed to manage to magic them up and turned up for the Final *somehow* .. it’s almost as if the wrong people were getting them.
So there’s so many different reasons, imho, for what happened that day, failings of the FA, UEFA, Police AND of course, the fans.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?"
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm ! |
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"I'm a big football fan and if you don't go to games then you don't really know whats happening really. You only have the press for information,and they don't really tell it as it is. If you believe what you read in the papers then thats up to you. If you don't go to games you don't know the truth and therefore shouldn't comment. "
So fans haven’t recently assaulted players and managers during pitch invasions?
And fans didn’t violently invade Wembley causing the current ban?
You don’t have to be at an event to pass comment. There are aspects of the Wembley incident that are wound dispute, and I have no problem with people commenting on those elements. |
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"I was lucky enough to have a ticket for the Final last Summer, and by the time I was in the ground and in my seat saw no trouble at all until I heard about when I got home.
However, as the tournament progressed the behaviour outside the stadium got progressively worse, and on the day of the Final itself the throng of people outside was huge, no way did they all have tickets. Most were pissed and co-ked out of their heads, it’s no surprise that some tried to storm the gates.
I also know LOADS of people that were desperate for tickets that couldn’t get them yet the likes of z-list celebrities all seemed to manage to magic them up and turned up for the Final *somehow* .. it’s almost as if the wrong people were getting them.
So there’s so many different reasons, imho, for what happened that day, failings of the FA, UEFA, Police AND of course, the fans.
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People without tickets turning up at the ground are the biggest issue. Those people trying to violently gain access to the ground, is the number 1 issue.
Yes, other bodies could have done a better job of containing and co trolling that situation, but they shouldn’t have to.
Blame the rabble |
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"I just think the boys in blue are all jokers actual gangs
Agreed. But that’s for another thread.
In terms of this thread, I’m sure the police could’ve handled it better but we cannot above the fans who participated in this behaviour of blame just because there wasn’t enough people to stop them doing so. "
The police are in a bit of a “damned if the do, damned if they don’t” situation. If they had used force to disperse the rabble, or to ensure that they didn’t get into the ground they would face criticism for that too. |
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"I was at Wembley that day and the main problem was alcohol! Idiots were walking from the underground to the stadium with boxes of beer on their shoulders! Not sure what the police were supposed to do as there were too many idiots to deal with !
Exactly, the numbers don't add. Usually forces will call upon trained police from another area, my fwb is riot trained and a trained firearms officer, he can get called to anywhere but the reality is there is not enough of these specialist officers and no funding to train them "
You don’t need riot police to enforce a no alcohol zone.
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"The Head of the Met at the time was a she, not a he, and she and the Met totally failed to police the Final correctly or protect the public. Left it all to minimum wage Security at Wembley.
How many police would you need to stop a stampede?
What it boils down to is men not being able to control themselves. "
… some men. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm !"
And that is why I said the government should take responsibility too for the force being underfunded. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I was at Wembley that day and the main problem was alcohol! Idiots were walking from the underground to the stadium with boxes of beer on their shoulders! Not sure what the police were supposed to do as there were too many idiots to deal with !
Exactly, the numbers don't add. Usually forces will call upon trained police from another area, my fwb is riot trained and a trained firearms officer, he can get called to anywhere but the reality is there is not enough of these specialist officers and no funding to train them
You don’t need riot police to enforce a no alcohol zone.
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Nope, and if there was a no alchohol zone would that solve the problem? |
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"You don’t need riot police to enforce a no alcohol zone.
How do you do it Jimmy? What tactics would you have used?
Gbat "
I live in an area where antisocial behaviour was getting out of hand, in and around Henley regatta . Yeah, I know, not exactly the same thing, but there were some serious assaults, near deaths, several stabbings.
The police worked with the council and introduced an alcohol control zoned which ensured that people didn’t loiter and drink in the areas around the regatta (riverbank, fields etc),, and the crime rate plummeted immediately.
Introduce a no alcohol zone around the stadium, and a security ring on the main approaches to the ground, confiscating alcohol. Make it clear on the tickets that this will be the case, enforce it properly in the smaller opening tournament games, and fans will quickly learn that they can’t turn up with a load of booze as described. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The Head of the Met at the time was a she, not a he, and she and the Met totally failed to police the Final correctly or protect the public. Left it all to minimum wage Security at Wembley.
How many police would you need to stop a stampede?
What it boils down to is men not being able to control themselves. "
and women! I’ve just been at the portvale game against Swindon and at the final whistle a young woman at around the age of early 20’s was first on the pitch and trying to aggravate the Swindon fans |
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"I was at Wembley that day and the main problem was alcohol! Idiots were walking from the underground to the stadium with boxes of beer on their shoulders! Not sure what the police were supposed to do as there were too many idiots to deal with !
Exactly, the numbers don't add. Usually forces will call upon trained police from another area, my fwb is riot trained and a trained firearms officer, he can get called to anywhere but the reality is there is not enough of these specialist officers and no funding to train them
You don’t need riot police to enforce a no alcohol zone.
Nope, and if there was a no alchohol zone would that solve the problem? "
It would reduce the problem.
That, and checking for tickets at security screening away from the ground rather than allowing ticketless fans to get close to the stadium.
If you can’t drink there, and can’t get to the area outside the ground without a ticket, there is less likelihood of the sort of trouble that we saw at Wembley |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
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Government does not fund the policing on game days! I’m also sure you have either been to a football match either ever or for a long time cause there is nearly as many women than men at marches |
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm !
And that is why I said the government should take responsibility too for the force being underfunded. "
I blame the yobs moreso then the authorities.
Did the judicial review say that the police didn’t turn up until 3pm because of the government? No. That’s what was planned with the tournament organisers, thinking that level of policing would be sufficient.
The organisers and police underestimated the security risk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don’t know the ins and outs of this case tbf, what I will say is I’m in the south and I travel once a month at least to watch Newcastle play! I go alone, I take my boy and I meet people I’ve met through social media. I also have a season ticket for Swindon Town which does not have the best behaviour record from the fans home or away! What I will say in relation to the police is it’s there responsibility to ensure individuals behave within the law. However if you have 100’s/1000’s of fans surging the police are not failing on that, that’s the fans moronic attitude! I point out morons looking for a scrap to my boy and ask his take! I see fans sniffing in the stands this is all not the police it’s the fans! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm !
And that is why I said the government should take responsibility too for the force being underfunded.
I blame the yobs moreso then the authorities.
Did the judicial review say that the police didn’t turn up until 3pm because of the government? No. That’s what was planned with the tournament organisers, thinking that level of policing would be sufficient.
The organisers and police underestimated the security risk. "
No it didn't but it also didn't cite the organisers either did it? |
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm !
And that is why I said the government should take responsibility too for the force being underfunded.
I blame the yobs moreso then the authorities.
Did the judicial review say that the police didn’t turn up until 3pm because of the government? No. That’s what was planned with the tournament organisers, thinking that level of policing would be sufficient.
The organisers and police underestimated the security risk.
No it didn't but it also didn't cite the organisers either did it?"
Dunno. Didn’t read it in full. Did you?
It was clearly organised, planned, bad behaviour by the fans, and poor planning by the organisers and police. I struggle to see how this was the government’s fault though, the police arriving at 3pm had nothing to do with police cutbacks, it was down to what was agreed between the organisers and the police. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm !
And that is why I said the government should take responsibility too for the force being underfunded.
I blame the yobs moreso then the authorities.
Did the judicial review say that the police didn’t turn up until 3pm because of the government? No. That’s what was planned with the tournament organisers, thinking that level of policing would be sufficient.
The organisers and police underestimated the security risk.
No it didn't but it also didn't cite the organisers either did it?
Dunno. Didn’t read it in full. Did you?
It was clearly organised, planned, bad behaviour by the fans, and poor planning by the organisers and police. I struggle to see how this was the government’s fault though, the police arriving at 3pm had nothing to do with police cutbacks, it was down to what was agreed between the organisers and the police. "
Yes of course it was the fans behaviour that is to blame but clearly the report doesn't cite them either
I mentioned government because they are the ones who allocate the funding, the police can only work with the funding given |
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm !
And that is why I said the government should take responsibility too for the force being underfunded.
I blame the yobs moreso then the authorities.
Did the judicial review say that the police didn’t turn up until 3pm because of the government? No. That’s what was planned with the tournament organisers, thinking that level of policing would be sufficient.
The organisers and police underestimated the security risk.
No it didn't but it also didn't cite the organisers either did it?
Dunno. Didn’t read it in full. Did you?
It was clearly organised, planned, bad behaviour by the fans, and poor planning by the organisers and police. I struggle to see how this was the government’s fault though, the police arriving at 3pm had nothing to do with police cutbacks, it was down to what was agreed between the organisers and the police.
Yes of course it was the fans behaviour that is to blame but clearly the report doesn't cite them either
I mentioned government because they are the ones who allocate the funding, the police can only work with the funding given"
The level of policing was determined between the organisers and the police, and was paid for by the organisers. If police levels were inadequate on the day, that is because the organisers and police agreed on a policing level that was insufficient rather than there not being enough police available.
This isn’t a case of general public policing being insufficient due to government cutbacks. It’s a balls-up on the policing of an event.
If the organisers felt they needed greater policing levels, or needed policing earlier in the day, then that is what they would have planned and paid for.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm !
And that is why I said the government should take responsibility too for the force being underfunded.
I blame the yobs moreso then the authorities.
Did the judicial review say that the police didn’t turn up until 3pm because of the government? No. That’s what was planned with the tournament organisers, thinking that level of policing would be sufficient.
The organisers and police underestimated the security risk.
No it didn't but it also didn't cite the organisers either did it?
Dunno. Didn’t read it in full. Did you?
It was clearly organised, planned, bad behaviour by the fans, and poor planning by the organisers and police. I struggle to see how this was the government’s fault though, the police arriving at 3pm had nothing to do with police cutbacks, it was down to what was agreed between the organisers and the police.
Yes of course it was the fans behaviour that is to blame but clearly the report doesn't cite them either
I mentioned government because they are the ones who allocate the funding, the police can only work with the funding given
The level of policing was determined between the organisers and the police, and was paid for by the organisers. If police levels were inadequate on the day, that is because the organisers and police agreed on a policing level that was insufficient rather than there not being enough police available.
This isn’t a case of general public policing being insufficient due to government cutbacks. It’s a balls-up on the policing of an event.
If the organisers felt they needed greater policing levels, or needed policing earlier in the day, then that is what they would have planned and paid for.
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But my point was the sector as a whole is underfunded, there are not endless supplies of officers regardless of what or wasn't agreed. They take police from other areas to make the numbers which leaves everyone short
I think we are agreeing but coming from different angles |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
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"You don’t need riot police to enforce a no alcohol zone.
How do you do it Jimmy? What tactics would you have used?
Gbat
I live in an area where antisocial behaviour was getting out of hand, in and around Henley regatta . Yeah, I know, not exactly the same thing, but there were some serious assaults, near deaths, several stabbings.
The police worked with the council and introduced an alcohol control zoned which ensured that people didn’t loiter and drink in the areas around the regatta (riverbank, fields etc),, and the crime rate plummeted immediately.
Introduce a no alcohol zone around the stadium, and a security ring on the main approaches to the ground, confiscating alcohol. Make it clear on the tickets that this will be the case, enforce it properly in the smaller opening tournament games, and fans will quickly learn that they can’t turn up with a load of booze as described. "
But whose actually going to physically do that? And who is going to pay for it?
The earlier comment was about not needing “Riot police” but this would still need a significant police presence and just in case you weren’t aware, d*unken soccer thugs don’t readily give up their booze to PCSOs.
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over a year ago
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm !
And that is why I said the government should take responsibility too for the force being underfunded. "
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm !
And that is why I said the government should take responsibility too for the force being underfunded.
I blame the yobs moreso then the authorities.
Did the judicial review say that the police didn’t turn up until 3pm because of the government? No. That’s what was planned with the tournament organisers, thinking that level of policing would be sufficient.
The organisers and police underestimated the security risk.
No it didn't but it also didn't cite the organisers either did it?
Dunno. Didn’t read it in full. Did you?
It was clearly organised, planned, bad behaviour by the fans, and poor planning by the organisers and police. I struggle to see how this was the government’s fault though, the police arriving at 3pm had nothing to do with police cutbacks, it was down to what was agreed between the organisers and the police.
Yes of course it was the fans behaviour that is to blame but clearly the report doesn't cite them either
I mentioned government because they are the ones who allocate the funding, the police can only work with the funding given
The level of policing was determined between the organisers and the police, and was paid for by the organisers. If police levels were inadequate on the day, that is because the organisers and police agreed on a policing level that was insufficient rather than there not being enough police available.
This isn’t a case of general public policing being insufficient due to government cutbacks. It’s a balls-up on the policing of an event.
If the organisers felt they needed greater policing levels, or needed policing earlier in the day, then that is what they would have planned and paid for.
But my point was the sector as a whole is underfunded, there are not endless supplies of officers regardless of what or wasn't agreed. They take police from other areas to make the numbers which leaves everyone short
I think we are agreeing but coming from different angles"
Not sure we are agreeing, really.
I think the organisers and police underestimated the risks that day and left themselves under-resourced. I haven’t read anywhere that they wanted more police resources but extra police weren’t available / didn’t exist.
I also feel that the police who were there that day were hamstrung in that if they laid into the trouble makers with batons then there would have been uproar. Policing has become very hands-off, relying on picking up the pieces afterwards and tracking down offenders through security footage, rather than snowing force to contain violent situations. |
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"Why should taxpayers have to fund babysitters for grown men to watch a football match.
They don't, the clubs or in this case FA pay for extra policing on match days.
Then why are the police being blamed?
They were blamed by the judicial review into the trouble at the Euro Final for not turning up until 3pm !
And that is why I said the government should take responsibility too for the force being underfunded.
I blame the yobs moreso then the authorities.
Did the judicial review say that the police didn’t turn up until 3pm because of the government? No. That’s what was planned with the tournament organisers, thinking that level of policing would be sufficient.
The organisers and police underestimated the security risk.
No it didn't but it also didn't cite the organisers either did it?
Dunno. Didn’t read it in full. Did you?
It was clearly organised, planned, bad behaviour by the fans, and poor planning by the organisers and police. I struggle to see how this was the government’s fault though, the police arriving at 3pm had nothing to do with police cutbacks, it was down to what was agreed between the organisers and the police.
Yes of course it was the fans behaviour that is to blame but clearly the report doesn't cite them either
I mentioned government because they are the ones who allocate the funding, the police can only work with the funding given
The level of policing was determined between the organisers and the police, and was paid for by the organisers. If police levels were inadequate on the day, that is because the organisers and police agreed on a policing level that was insufficient rather than there not being enough police available.
This isn’t a case of general public policing being insufficient due to government cutbacks. It’s a balls-up on the policing of an event.
If the organisers felt they needed greater policing levels, or needed policing earlier in the day, then that is what they would have planned and paid for.
But my point was the sector as a whole is underfunded, there are not endless supplies of officers regardless of what or wasn't agreed. They take police from other areas to make the numbers which leaves everyone short
I think we are agreeing but coming from different angles
Not sure we are agreeing, really.
I think the organisers and police underestimated the risks that day and left themselves under-resourced. I haven’t read anywhere that they wanted more police resources but extra police weren’t available / didn’t exist.
I also feel that the police who were there that day were hamstrung in that if they laid into the trouble makers with batons then there would have been uproar. Policing has become very hands-off, relying on picking up the pieces afterwards and tracking down offenders through security footage, rather than snowing force to contain violent situations. "
Well we could go round in circles couldn't we, lots of factors were at play.
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"The English Football team are playing a match v Italy behind closed doors as a sanction for poor fan behaviour at Euro 2020 when they stormed the stadium. Big failings by the Chief of Police and his men. So who is go blame?
Police or fans? "
Both. Fans are wrong to cause trouble. But you wouldn't let known troublemakers loose in a situation where it is likely they will cause trouble |
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