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"I’ve not even heard about this, when was it? " This morning (CT) but it's just being reported on now | |||
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"I’ve not even heard about this, when was it? This morning (CT) but it's just being reported on now" How awful. Those poor kids and their families, not to mention the rest of the school. Sadly we hear about shootings like these far too regularly. Doubt it’ll ever stop. So sad. | |||
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"It'll be okay. The Republicans will use it as a reason to get more guns out there. Job done! "Their plan is to arm teachers so they can shoot back. I'm sure that'll be fine | |||
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"I don't usually post threads like these but this has really got to me. " It's bloody awful OP isn't it? When will they ever learn that guns are too accessible in the States  | |||
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"One adult and 14 kids aged 7-10 shot dead by an 18 year old gunman rampaging through their school. My heart hurts and I'm angry... How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! " Terrible tragedy, once again | |||
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"Americans love guns more than they love their fellow man." Pretty much this. One persons’ right to bear arms is more important than another persons’ right to life - always has been. The leading cause of death for children/teens in America is by shooting. Just one of the ways in which America leads the world in the worst possible way! | |||
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"I’ve not even heard about this, when was it? This morning (CT) but it's just being reported on now How awful. Those poor kids and their families, not to mention the rest of the school. Sadly we hear about shootings like these far too regularly. Doubt it’ll ever stop. So sad. "On average there’s a school shooting every 2 weeks in the US. | |||
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"Jim Jefferies is going to get an airing again. For a country so protective of an unborn child, they really don't give a shit about protecting the ones that make it out of the womb. " This is my thoughts too. | |||
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"Such sad, tragic news. I really don't know what more needs to happen to provoke serious discussion and action to prevent future tragedies like this" The problem is, people start talking about it, and the gun enthusiasts shut it down saying "now is not the time, show some respect". Then when it dies down they say "It was because the shooter liked rock music / movies / video games, we should ban those!" | |||
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"I’ve not even heard about this, when was it? This morning (CT) but it's just being reported on now How awful. Those poor kids and their families, not to mention the rest of the school. Sadly we hear about shootings like these far too regularly. Doubt it’ll ever stop. So sad.
On average there’s a school shooting every 2 weeks in the US. "Imagine sending your kids off to school each morning and wondering whether they'll make it home | |||
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"I’ve not even heard about this, when was it? This morning (CT) but it's just being reported on now How awful. Those poor kids and their families, not to mention the rest of the school. Sadly we hear about shootings like these far too regularly. Doubt it’ll ever stop. So sad.
On average there’s a school shooting every 2 weeks in the US. "Jesus! Is it that often??  | |||
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"They don't even say how old the kids were." 2nd, 3rd and 4th graders. So between 7-10 | |||
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"One adult and 14 kids aged 7-10 shot dead by an 18 year old gunman rampaging through their school. My heart hurts and I'm angry... How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! " Heart breaking news. Thoughts are with all the affected families. Having children, I can't imagine pain and despair those parents are feeling at this time. Too many gun related tragedies in America it's horrifying to say it has become the norm. For a country that tauts it's self as foremost in the world, a beacon of freedom and opportunities, the past 3 weeks more than 20 people have lost their lives in a country without a civil war. | |||
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"I’ve not even heard about this, when was it? This morning (CT) but it's just being reported on now How awful. Those poor kids and their families, not to mention the rest of the school. Sadly we hear about shootings like these far too regularly. Doubt it’ll ever stop. So sad.
On average there’s a school shooting every 2 weeks in the US.
Jesus! Is it that often?? "According to CDC Guns are now the leading cause of death among young Americans. Guns overtook car crashes to become the leading cause of death for US children and teenagers in 2020 | |||
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"apparently a lot of American school children told their parents " at least we don't have to worry about an active shooter" when they were told about lockdown "Thats so sad!
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"apparently a lot of American school children told their parents " at least we don't have to worry about an active shooter" when they were told about lockdown
Thats so sad!
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"I’ve not even heard about this, when was it? This morning (CT) but it's just being reported on now How awful. Those poor kids and their families, not to mention the rest of the school. Sadly we hear about shootings like these far too regularly. Doubt it’ll ever stop. So sad.
On average there’s a school shooting every 2 weeks in the US.
Jesus! Is it that often??
According to CDC Guns are now the leading cause of death among young Americans.
Guns overtook car crashes to become the leading cause of death for US children and teenagers in 2020"I knew it was an awful statistic, but never that bad. I'm truly shocked. Poor babies. | |||
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"I don't usually post threads like these but this has really got to me. " Their lack of Gun Laws are to blame. Shame on those in Power. | |||
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"I don't usually post threads like these but this has really got to me. Their lack of Gun Laws are to blame. Shame on those in Power. " It's not just those in power, a majority of American citizens don't want the gun laws to change. | |||
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"I don't usually post threads like these but this has really got to me. Their lack of Gun Laws are to blame. Shame on those in Power. It's not just those in power, a majority of American citizens don't want the gun laws to change. " Those in power won't change it because they would loose millions in donations from the NRA Corrupt bastards | |||
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"I don't usually post threads like these but this has really got to me. Their lack of Gun Laws are to blame. Shame on those in Power. It's not just those in power, a majority of American citizens don't want the gun laws to change. Those in power won't change it because they would loose millions in donations from the NRA Corrupt bastards " And a lot of votes from the public. For many Americans the right to own a gun is sacred. | |||
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"I don't usually post threads like these but this has really got to me. Their lack of Gun Laws are to blame. Shame on those in Power. It's not just those in power, a majority of American citizens don't want the gun laws to change. " Actually yes that is true. But what does it take for those idiots to realise that they have a serious Gun problem in the states. | |||
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"A country where they put the importance of guns over the importance of children's lives says it all "I also had this thought. Take away the rights of women but don't bother to care about the human rights of children to grow up in a place of safety and to receive an education. When you hear that conspiracy loons tried to discredit the parents who lost children at the Sandy Hook incident, by labelling it false flag etc, the mind cannot conceive such people exist. But they do exist and they are a very loud, very dangerous group. | |||
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"One adult and 14 kids aged 7-10 shot dead by an 18 year old gunman rampaging through their school. My heart hurts and I'm angry... How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! " I think this has to be the worst one I have ever heard of, it’s ridiculous how the US allows people to carry guns so frivolously. I had some clients over from Philadelphia just before Covid and took them to the match, one of them couldn’t believe that we would mix in such crowds unarmed ! Started talking about guns and said if I was ever over there I should visit him and we could fire his guns in the yard as he had everything from a pistol to a machine gun ! Fucked up ! | |||
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"I don't usually post threads like these but this has really got to me. Their lack of Gun Laws are to blame. Shame on those in Power. It's not just those in power, a majority of American citizens don't want the gun laws to change. Actually yes that is true. But what does it take for those idiots to realise that they have a serious Gun problem in the states. " Sadly nothing is going to change until attitudes do and that isn't happening any time soon. | |||
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"One adult and 14 kids aged 7-10 shot dead by an 18 year old gunman rampaging through their school. My heart hurts and I'm angry... How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! I think this has to be the worst one I have ever heard of, it’s ridiculous how the US allows people to carry guns so frivolously. I had some clients over from Philadelphia just before Covid and took them to the match, one of them couldn’t believe that we would mix in such crowds unarmed ! Started talking about guns and said if I was ever over there I should visit him and we could fire his guns in the yard as he had everything from a pistol to a machine gun ! Fucked up ! " Sandy Hook unfortunately had more deaths 20, 6 to 7 year olds. They will never learn. | |||
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"One adult and 14 kids aged 7-10 shot dead by an 18 year old gunman rampaging through their school. My heart hurts and I'm angry... How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! I think this has to be the worst one I have ever heard of, it’s ridiculous how the US allows people to carry guns so frivolously. I had some clients over from Philadelphia just before Covid and took them to the match, one of them couldn’t believe that we would mix in such crowds unarmed ! Started talking about guns and said if I was ever over there I should visit him and we could fire his guns in the yard as he had everything from a pistol to a machine gun ! Fucked up ! Sandy Hook unfortunately had more deaths 20, 6 to 7 year olds. They will never learn. " Just sickening | |||
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" How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! " I’ll come back to this in the morning… all we will get tonight are the usual “T’s and P’s” and “now is not the time “ | |||
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"I understand the outcry from everyone here but I'm not sure why your not looking closer to home to vent your rage also. We have around 2 murders a day in the UK but nobody bats an eyelid other than the families affected. You can actually make a difference here but all your concerned about seems to be policies in another country. "Gosh. That people are so concerned about the senseless killing of multiple very young children, should we not be? There have been plenty of threads about other tragic events here in the UK. Should we only have empathy for UK based tragedy and just say "bollocks to it" if it happens outside of GB+NI? | |||
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"Just watched a Senator Murphy on bbc news giving an impassioned speech about why people run to be elected to the US government but repeatedly fail to change the law around guns. Hard hitting words well said but sadly they will fall on deaf ears. " The reason why people listen to senator Murphy is that he was the then congressperson for the sandy hook district when it suffered the same sort of shooting… Up to 18 kids and 3 teachers dead now | |||
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"I understand the outcry from everyone here but I'm not sure why your not looking closer to home to vent your rage also. We have around 2 murders a day in the UK but nobody bats an eyelid other than the families affected. You can actually make a difference here but all your concerned about seems to be policies in another country. "We don't however have the very real possibility that our children will go to school and get shot! | |||
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"I don't usually post threads like these but this has really got to me. " And in the most pro-life state in the US...tragic and very twisted irony!! | |||
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"I really don't understand how parents in Texas make the conscious decision to send their kids to school. FUCKING MOVE!" So the answer is for people to move out of states with high mass shooting rates in schools? So if you have school age children in California, Texas, Florida, Michigan and Illinois you should just move? | |||
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"I really don't understand how parents in Texas make the conscious decision to send their kids to school. FUCKING MOVE! So the answer is for people to move out of states with high mass shooting rates in schools? So if you have school age children in California, Texas, Florida, Michigan and Illinois you should just move? " No stay there and risk your kids being shot dead, I'm sorry you're right. | |||
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"I really don't understand how parents in Texas make the conscious decision to send their kids to school. FUCKING MOVE! So the answer is for people to move out of states with high mass shooting rates in schools? So if you have school age children in California, Texas, Florida, Michigan and Illinois you should just move? No stay there and risk your kids being shot dead, I'm sorry you're right." Wow! So it's the parents fault for living in certain states! Your comment is unbelievable. | |||
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"I really don't understand how parents in Texas make the conscious decision to send their kids to school. FUCKING MOVE! So the answer is for people to move out of states with high mass shooting rates in schools? So if you have school age children in California, Texas, Florida, Michigan and Illinois you should just move? No stay there and risk your kids being shot dead, I'm sorry you're right. Wow! So it's the parents fault for living in certain states! Your comment is unbelievable. " It is the parents obligation to keep their child safe. If you don't understand that, that's not my problem. | |||
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"I really don't understand how parents in Texas make the conscious decision to send their kids to school. FUCKING MOVE! So the answer is for people to move out of states with high mass shooting rates in schools? So if you have school age children in California, Texas, Florida, Michigan and Illinois you should just move? No stay there and risk your kids being shot dead, I'm sorry you're right. Wow! So it's the parents fault for living in certain states! Your comment is unbelievable. It is the parents obligation to keep their child safe. If you don't understand that, that's not my problem." You really are serious aren't you!  | |||
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"Got to thank the gun lobbies and the NRA for being the huge reason why we don't have stricter gun laws. It's to a point where we even have an active shooter plan at the grocery store I work at since there were mass shootings at a couple of our stores nation wide." But this is Texas… the state where just a few months ago made it easier to get a gun.. no background checks, no waiting period, nothing And the Texas AG solution for this is a tweet today.. give teachers access to guns!!! To the west of ulvade is El Paso… they had a racially aggravated mass shooting about a year back.. 32 people were killed! To the south of ulvade is Sutherland springs… they had a mass shooting in a church about 7 months back…. 26 people were killed! Nothing got done then… nothing will get done now… Texas is Texas! | |||
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"I've been to high school in America. We weren't allowed to carry backpacks around the school due to the risk of weapons. We had armed security patrolling the halls on bikes. How did he get in the school? All schools here have security measures so random people can't just walk in off the street? I don't agree with the gun laws in America but surely they can put measures in place to keep children safer if they aren't willing to change the right to own a gun?" This was an elementary school… so you probably wouldn’t have the guards and for example metal detectors as you would dealing with older aged kids….at best maybe the kids would have had shooter drills, but again you are taking about 5-11 yr old kids at most | |||
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"I really don't understand how parents in Texas make the conscious decision to send their kids to school. FUCKING MOVE! So the answer is for people to move out of states with high mass shooting rates in schools? So if you have school age children in California, Texas, Florida, Michigan and Illinois you should just move? No stay there and risk your kids being shot dead, I'm sorry you're right. Wow! So it's the parents fault for living in certain states! Your comment is unbelievable. It is the parents obligation to keep their child safe. If you don't understand that, that's not my problem." Jesus
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"Their plan is to arm teachers so they can shoot back. I'm sure that'll be fine " It's the only logical solution! I mean, what else could they do? | |||
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"I've been to high school in America. We weren't allowed to carry backpacks around the school due to the risk of weapons. We had armed security patrolling the halls on bikes. How did he get in the school? All schools here have security measures so random people can't just walk in off the street? I don't agree with the gun laws in America but surely they can put measures in place to keep children safer if they aren't willing to change the right to own a gun? This was an elementary school… so you probably wouldn’t have the guards and for example metal detectors as you would dealing with older aged kids….at best maybe the kids would have had shooter drills, but again you are taking about 5-11 yr old kids at most " Yes we had metal detectors at the main doors too. Maybe they should really think about this for elementary schools. Not a nice thought for the kids but surely if it keeps them safer it's worth it. Wasn't it Dunblane that caused the security measures to be put in place in schools here? I just don't understand why they wouldn't do the same across all schools in the US. | |||
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"I've been to high school in America. We weren't allowed to carry backpacks around the school due to the risk of weapons. We had armed security patrolling the halls on bikes. How did he get in the school? All schools here have security measures so random people can't just walk in off the street? I don't agree with the gun laws in America but surely they can put measures in place to keep children safer if they aren't willing to change the right to own a gun? This was an elementary school… so you probably wouldn’t have the guards and for example metal detectors as you would dealing with older aged kids….at best maybe the kids would have had shooter drills, but again you are taking about 5-11 yr old kids at most Yes we had metal detectors at the main doors too. Maybe they should really think about this for elementary schools. Not a nice thought for the kids but surely if it keeps them safer it's worth it. Wasn't it Dunblane that caused the security measures to be put in place in schools here? I just don't understand why they wouldn't do the same across all schools in the US. " No we didn't put security measures in place we totally banned all hand guns immediately. | |||
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"Got to thank the gun lobbies and the NRA for being the huge reason why we don't have stricter gun laws. It's to a point where we even have an active shooter plan at the grocery store I work at since there were mass shootings at a couple of our stores nation wide. But this is Texas… the state where just a few months ago made it easier to get a gun.. no background checks, no waiting period, nothing And the Texas AG solution for this is a tweet today.. give teachers access to guns!!! To the west of ulvade is El Paso… they had a racially aggravated mass shooting about a year back.. 32 people were killed! To the south of ulvade is Sutherland springs… they had a mass shooting in a church about 7 months back…. 26 people were killed! Nothing got done then… nothing will get done now… Texas is Texas! " That's why I think at this point it is the parents responsibility to make the move and keep their child safety a priority. | |||
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"I really don't understand how parents in Texas make the conscious decision to send their kids to school. FUCKING MOVE! So the answer is for people to move out of states with high mass shooting rates in schools? So if you have school age children in California, Texas, Florida, Michigan and Illinois you should just move? No stay there and risk your kids being shot dead, I'm sorry you're right. Wow! So it's the parents fault for living in certain states! Your comment is unbelievable. It is the parents obligation to keep their child safe. If you don't understand that, that's not my problem. Jesus
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" No we didn't put security measures in place we totally banned all hand guns immediately. " Well that too of course, but sadly having lived there I don't think that will ever happen in the US, so I still think they can take more precautions to keep children safe. | |||
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"I really don't understand how parents in Texas make the conscious decision to send their kids to school. FUCKING MOVE! So the answer is for people to move out of states with high mass shooting rates in schools? So if you have school age children in California, Texas, Florida, Michigan and Illinois you should just move? No stay there and risk your kids being shot dead, I'm sorry you're right. Wow! So it's the parents fault for living in certain states! Your comment is unbelievable. It is the parents obligation to keep their child safe. If you don't understand that, that's not my problem. Jesus
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"I really don't understand how parents in Texas make the conscious decision to send their kids to school. FUCKING MOVE! So the answer is for people to move out of states with high mass shooting rates in schools? So if you have school age children in California, Texas, Florida, Michigan and Illinois you should just move? No stay there and risk your kids being shot dead, I'm sorry you're right. Wow! So it's the parents fault for living in certain states! Your comment is unbelievable. It is the parents obligation to keep their child safe. If you don't understand that, that's not my problem. Jesus
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"I really don't understand how parents in Texas make the conscious decision to send their kids to school. FUCKING MOVE! So the answer is for people to move out of states with high mass shooting rates in schools? So if you have school age children in California, Texas, Florida, Michigan and Illinois you should just move? No stay there and risk your kids being shot dead, I'm sorry you're right. Wow! So it's the parents fault for living in certain states! Your comment is unbelievable. It is the parents obligation to keep their child safe. If you don't understand that, that's not my problem. Jesus
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Oh just read the room, will you
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"Got to thank the gun lobbies and the NRA for being the huge reason why we don't have stricter gun laws. It's to a point where we even have an active shooter plan at the grocery store I work at since there were mass shootings at a couple of our stores nation wide. But this is Texas… the state where just a few months ago made it easier to get a gun.. no background checks, no waiting period, nothing And the Texas AG solution for this is a tweet today.. give teachers access to guns!!! To the west of ulvade is El Paso… they had a racially aggravated mass shooting about a year back.. 32 people were killed! To the south of ulvade is Sutherland springs… they had a mass shooting in a church about 7 months back…. 26 people were killed! Nothing got done then… nothing will get done now… Texas is Texas! That's why I think at this point it is the parents responsibility to make the move and keep their child safety a priority." I was going to give your original post the utter contempt it deserves by not answering it… that was not the point you should get from what I wrote! Because your answer seems to be homeschool everyone via zoom!!! The answer is gun control… but if nothing could pass after sandy hook then that bird has flown… the republicans are too far in the hold of the NRA to do anything! (More control over a woman’s body but less control over a gun! But hey ho!) There are simple measures you could put in… | |||
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"I’ve not even heard about this, when was it? This morning (CT) but it's just being reported on now How awful. Those poor kids and their families, not to mention the rest of the school. Sadly we hear about shootings like these far too regularly. Doubt it’ll ever stop. So sad.
On average there’s a school shooting every 2 weeks in the US. "Why do these evil cretins shoot at kids? It is beyond evil. Whilst any murderous shooting is abhorrent - at least there is a modicum of twisted logic with a disgruntled loon going into a workplace and firing. But what depths of evil possesses an adult to venture into a primary school to shoot innocent kids! Such a tragedy. Unfortunately it seems the Grand old US of A prefers the 2nd amendment to the lives of innocent children. Puts their whole ‘Pro Life’ stance into a very strange light. RIP little angles. Be at peace. | |||
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"One adult and 14 kids aged 7-10 shot dead by an 18 year old gunman rampaging through their school. My heart hurts and I'm angry... How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! " Because the right to bear arms is ingrained into american culture. | |||
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"The answer is gun control… but if nothing could pass after sandy hook then that bird has flown… the republicans are too far in the hold of the NRA to do anything! (More control over a woman’s body but less control over a gun! But hey ho!) There are simple measures you could put in… " I agree. After Sandy Hook, I'm not sure what it would take. Heart-breaking. | |||
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"The answer is gun control… but if nothing could pass after sandy hook then that bird has flown… the republicans are too far in the hold of the NRA to do anything! (More control over a woman’s body but less control over a gun! But hey ho!) There are simple measures you could put in… I agree. After Sandy Hook, I'm not sure what it would take. Heart-breaking. "It's not just the NRA, there is a whole movement in the States who lobby at state level to change any local gun restrictions, and an even more worrying move to completely circumvent any legislation or restrictions via loopholes. 80% gun kits Parts kits Forced reset triggers Bump stocks Don't want to pay a tax stamp for a short barrel rifle? Replace the stock with a pistol brace... | |||
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" How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! I’ll come back to this in the morning… all we will get tonight are the usual “T’s and P’s” and “now is not the time “ "  | |||
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"Got to thank the gun lobbies and the NRA for being the huge reason why we don't have stricter gun laws. It's to a point where we even have an active shooter plan at the grocery store I work at since there were mass shootings at a couple of our stores nation wide. But this is Texas… the state where just a few months ago made it easier to get a gun.. no background checks, no waiting period, nothing And the Texas AG solution for this is a tweet today.. give teachers access to guns!!! To the west of ulvade is El Paso… they had a racially aggravated mass shooting about a year back.. 32 people were killed! To the south of ulvade is Sutherland springs… they had a mass shooting in a church about 7 months back…. 26 people were killed! Nothing got done then… nothing will get done now… Texas is Texas! That's why I think at this point it is the parents responsibility to make the move and keep their child safety a priority. I was going to give your original post the utter contempt it deserves by not answering it… that was not the point you should get from what I wrote! Because your answer seems to be homeschool everyone via zoom!!! The answer is gun control… but if nothing could pass after sandy hook then that bird has flown… the republicans are too far in the hold of the NRA to do anything! (More control over a woman’s body but less control over a gun! But hey ho!) There are simple measures you could put in… " What are these measures then and why haven't they been put in place? You even said it yourself gun control is not a option. From my point of view if the government isn't going to do anything about it, which like you said they won't because it's Texas and 2nd amendment. Then the next best thing is to move, unless you have a better option? | |||
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"One adult and 14 kids aged 7-10 shot dead by an 18 year old gunman rampaging through their school. My heart hurts and I'm angry... How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! " It only happened because the kids didn't have guns to defend themselves | |||
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"Nothing happened on the 1st school shooting and nothing will happen now. Maybe they will have wear some ribbons for a few days then back to normal. Only thing that will change this is when some high ranked Govt kid dies in the shooting. America is the only place where you have a mass shooting every few weeks. " It's not every few weeks, it is literally a daily occurrence. | |||
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"I’ve not even heard about this, when was it? This morning (CT) but it's just being reported on now How awful. Those poor kids and their families, not to mention the rest of the school. Sadly we hear about shootings like these far too regularly. Doubt it’ll ever stop. So sad.
On average there’s a school shooting every 2 weeks in the US.
Jesus! Is it that often?? "Yep - 26 each year. Every school in the US - even primary schools - have regular ‘shooter’ drills (hiding under the desks etc) - just like we have fire drills! Apparently the most popular potential solution is to arm the teachers! | |||
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"My four year old calls them "idiot Americans". Until they put their guns down I'm afraid I agree. " Your 4 year old has learnt that from someone else. No child is born believing that those born in a particular place are less than. Mr | |||
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" Your 4 year old has learnt that from someone else. No child is born believing that those born in a particular place are less than. Mr" Really? there was me thinking she's been reading political articles, collaborating information and formulating opinions........ | |||
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"A country where they put the importance of guns over the importance of children's lives says it all
I also had this thought. Take away the rights of women but don't bother to care about the human rights of children to grow up in a place of safety and to receive an education.
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" Your 4 year old has learnt that from someone else. No child is born believing that those born in a particular place are less than. Mr Really? there was me thinking she's been reading political articles, collaborating information and formulating opinions........" So absolutely irrelevant then. | |||
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"One adult and 14 kids aged 7-10 shot dead by an 18 year old gunman rampaging through their school. My heart hurts and I'm angry... How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! " 18 children. 3 adults. 1 of those was a teacher. Who was he?? Any info ? Fscts of background etc.? Normally we are told and fed all info,s every sec/min of the day!! | |||
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"One adult and 14 kids aged 7-10 shot dead by an 18 year old gunman rampaging through their school. My heart hurts and I'm angry... How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! " 18 children. 3 adults. 1 of those was a teacher. Who was he?? Any info ? Fscts of background etc.? Normally we are told and fed all info,s every sec/min of the day!! | |||
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"My four year old calls them "idiot Americans". Until they put their guns down I'm afraid I agree. " You don't consider it offensive to label every American an idiot ? | |||
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"There are simple measures you could put in… What are these measures then and why haven't they been put in place? You even said it yourself gun control is not a option. From my point of view if the government isn't going to do anything about it, which like you said they won't because it's Texas and 2nd amendment. Then the next best thing is to move, unless you have a better option? " The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms.. it doesn’t give you the right to bear any arms you like! There was a federal assault weapons banned list right up until 2004… bring it back! Simple things.. for example doesn’t it feel weird that in Texas that you can own a gun at 18, but can’t drink till 21!… raise it! Ban things like extended ammunition clips… in what situation do you need 40-50 bullets when 6-10 isn’t enough! Background checks, 21-28 days period between applying for a license and getting a gun! Buy back the guns at market prices… In this case the guns the shooter had were more powerful than the police would carry! Where should that be allowed in any part of the world! If you need a semi automatic assault style weapon to go hunting then stick to fishing!! | |||
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Somebody i work with told me they read an article that said any British person could probably get a gun within a couple of hours max if they really wanted 1 | |||
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"There are simple measures you could put in… What are these measures then and why haven't they been put in place? You even said it yourself gun control is not a option. From my point of view if the government isn't going to do anything about it, which like you said they won't because it's Texas and 2nd amendment. Then the next best thing is to move, unless you have a better option? The 2nd amendment gives you the right to bear arms.. it doesn’t give you the right to bear any arms you like! There was a federal assault weapons banned list right up until 2004… bring it back! Simple things.. for example doesn’t it feel weird that in Texas that you can own a gun at 18, but can’t drink till 21!… raise it! Ban things like extended ammunition clips… in what situation do you need 40-50 bullets when 6-10 isn’t enough! Background checks, 21-28 days period between applying for a license and getting a gun! Buy back the guns at market prices… In this case the guns the shooter had were more powerful than the police would carry! Where should that be allowed in any part of the world! If you need a semi automatic assault style weapon to go hunting then stick to fishing!! " But Fabio, you literally have said they eased the way to obtain a gun in Texas! They're literally going the opposite way to gun control. I wouldn't have said what I said if gun control was an option but even you have said it's not going to happen, especially in Texas where Abbott is advocating for its citizens to buy more guns since the fell back behind California. | |||
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"Whats worrying for British people our trends follow the Americans is this gonna be happening to our Granchildren in British classrooms? Somebody i work with told me they read an article that said any British person could probably get a gun within a couple of hours max if they really wanted 1 "There’s probably some truth in that. I don’t think just anyone could but a lot of people will know a guy that knows a guy. | |||
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"Whats worrying for British people our trends follow the Americans is this gonna be happening to our Granchildren in British classrooms? Somebody i work with told me they read an article that said any British person could probably get a gun within a couple of hours max if they really wanted 1 "Very unlikely, we banned handguns after Dunblane in ‘96 and the requirements to obtain either a shotgun license or a firearms licence is very strict. What happened in Texas is nothing short of a tragedy & worse is that Texas is an open carry state. Until they get their gun laws into control, it’s just going to be a sh*tshow after sh*tshow over there with shootings. I cannot fathom WHY they need the calibre of firearms they have or why they need to be automatic capable etc, there’s zero need for it. What the hell are they defending themselves against!? | |||
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"Whats worrying for British people our trends follow the Americans is this gonna be happening to our Granchildren in British classrooms? Somebody i work with told me they read an article that said any British person could probably get a gun within a couple of hours max if they really wanted 1
Very unlikely, we banned handguns after Dunblane in ‘96 and the requirements to obtain either a shotgun license or a firearms licence is very strict.
What happened in Texas is nothing short of a tragedy & worse is that Texas is an open carry state. Until they get their gun laws into control, it’s just going to be a sh*tshow after sh*tshow over there with shootings.
I cannot fathom WHY they need the calibre of firearms they have or why they need to be automatic capable etc, there’s zero need for it. What the hell are they defending themselves against!?
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"Whats worrying for British people our trends follow the Americans is this gonna be happening to our Granchildren in British classrooms? Somebody i work with told me they read an article that said any British person could probably get a gun within a couple of hours max if they really wanted 1
Very unlikely, we banned handguns after Dunblane in ‘96 and the requirements to obtain either a shotgun license or a firearms licence is very strict.
What happened in Texas is nothing short of a tragedy & worse is that Texas is an open carry state. Until they get their gun laws into control, it’s just going to be a sh*tshow after sh*tshow over there with shootings.
I cannot fathom WHY they need the calibre of firearms they have or why they need to be automatic capable etc, there’s zero need for it. What the hell are they defending themselves against!?
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" I cannot fathom WHY they need the calibre of firearms they have or why they need to be automatic capable etc, there’s zero need for it. What the hell are they defending themselves against!? " Each other...? | |||
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"One adult and 14 kids aged 7-10 shot dead by an 18 year old gunman rampaging through their school. My heart hurts and I'm angry... How is this STILL being allowed to happen?! " So sad but the amercian goverment are to blame. When you can buy an ak47 with a loaf of bread, says it all x | |||
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"Hand guns are widely available in the West Midlands, that is for sure." Fortunately your average person doesn't own a gun or want to own one in UK. It's part of the culture over in America (and as said in other post, it's enshrined in the constitution). They have a gun culture which thankfully we do not. And long may that continue. | |||
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"The problem in the US is that mass murderers, school shooters and psychopaths all end up with a cult following. Think of any of those types of people, Dahmer, Manson, Columbine shooters etc etc, they all have cult followers now. There are people so lost in society, so unseen, so forgotten that they make the choice to propel themselves into the history books… Look, there are more guns than people in the US. If guns were truly the problem, if access to guns was what made these tragedies happen, it would be happening on an hourly basis. But it’s not. Because there are vastly more people who own guns in the US that would never dream of using it for murder than there are who would. These tragedies happen because lost people know the one way to become infamous is to murder, and there’s one group of humans above all that no one will forget about you killing… kids. Immortalised in minutes." I think I read there were over 20 school shootings last year in America (we only hear of the major ones). Also last year more children were killed in America due to guns than involved in car accidents. | |||
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"But Fabio, you literally have said they eased the way to obtain a gun in Texas! They're literally going the opposite way to gun control. I wouldn't have said what I said if gun control was an option but even you have said it's not going to happen, especially in Texas where Abbott is advocating for its citizens to buy more guns since the fell back behind California." Federal law override’s state law!! Federal law would set a minimum standard….. After the shooting last night the house passed a short bill that would delay someone getting a gun till the background check rather than on the day.. it delay a process by about 7 days.. it did pass.. and actually got some republican support if only a handful.. It will now go to the senate… but because it would need the support of 10 republican senators to pass… it won’t!! Also sitting in the senate is HR8… which would just require a background check to be done on all gun sales (if you buy it privately from another gun owner you don’t need to have one!) That has been sitting in the senate for two years, because 10 republican senators won’t stand with democrats to get it through…. Nothing will happen because republicans even though background checks is a 90-10 issue in terms of public support, face more consequences from the likes of the NRA | |||
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"When the forefathers made the constitution the guns at the time where single shot so you could protect yourself against bears etc. How could they have known that it would mean 200 odd years later you could buy semi automatic weapons, until they change the constitution to reflect modern times these things are just going to happen. This lad of 18 could buy two semi automatic weapons but is not old enough to walk into a pub and buy a drink just how mad is that." No the right to bear arms isn't to defend against animals, it's so they can rise up against tyranny. Those single shot flintlocks were state of the art millitary weapons back then. | |||
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"When the forefathers made the constitution the guns at the time where single shot so you could protect yourself against bears etc. How could they have known that it would mean 200 odd years later you could buy semi automatic weapons, until they change the constitution to reflect modern times these things are just going to happen. This lad of 18 could buy two semi automatic weapons but is not old enough to walk into a pub and buy a drink just how mad is that. No the right to bear arms isn't to defend against animals, it's so they can rise up against tyranny. Those single shot flintlocks were state of the art millitary weapons back then. "You can still have the right to bear arms but limit it to one hand gun with a maximum 6 bullets why do they think need the use of semi automatic weapons | |||
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"When the forefathers made the constitution the guns at the time where single shot so you could protect yourself against bears etc. How could they have known that it would mean 200 odd years later you could buy semi automatic weapons, until they change the constitution to reflect modern times these things are just going to happen. This lad of 18 could buy two semi automatic weapons but is not old enough to walk into a pub and buy a drink just how mad is that. No the right to bear arms isn't to defend against animals, it's so they can rise up against tyranny. Those single shot flintlocks were state of the art millitary weapons back then. "Which applies even less now. How is a slightly armed country meant to protect itself from government tyranny when the government in question has the strongest military in the world by a long shot. It’s an old argument that needs scrapping. Bunch of hill billies thinking they’ll win a civil war if they try to take their guns away | |||
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"Unfortunately the UK has had the odd incident of this (Hungerford & Dunblane). Afterwards the police cracked down hard on who could and who couldn't legally own a gun. Has it made any difference to the risks? It's not the gun killing people it's the nutter pulling the trigger! Unfortunately the USA (especially some parts) are over subsribed with nutters so the problem will never go away !" How many children die in school in the UK, compared to the US? People might kill people, but guns make it easier. | |||
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"Unfortunately the UK has had the odd incident of this (Hungerford & Dunblane). Afterwards the police cracked down hard on who could and who couldn't legally own a gun. Has it made any difference to the risks? It's not the gun killing people it's the nutter pulling the trigger! Unfortunately the USA (especially some parts) are over subsribed with nutters so the problem will never go away ! How many children die in school in the UK, compared to the US? People might kill people, but guns make it easier." What's the population of the USA compared to UK? and the Dunblane murders was school kids (I think Andy Murray was at the school at the time) Agreed guns make it easier but if you wanted to commit mass murder you could simply drive along a packed pavement in a car or truck (I think in some of the terrorist attacks quite recently this has actually happened). So please don't jump on the anti-gun band wagon! | |||
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"Unfortunately the UK has had the odd incident of this (Hungerford & Dunblane). Afterwards the police cracked down hard on who could and who couldn't legally own a gun. Has it made any difference to the risks? It's not the gun killing people it's the nutter pulling the trigger! Unfortunately the USA (especially some parts) are over subsribed with nutters so the problem will never go away ! How many children die in school in the UK, compared to the US? People might kill people, but guns make it easier. What's the population of the USA compared to UK? and the Dunblane murders was school kids (I think Andy Murray was at the school at the time) Agreed guns make it easier but if you wanted to commit mass murder you could simply drive along a packed pavement in a car or truck (I think in some of the terrorist attacks quite recently this has actually happened). So please don't jump on the anti-gun band wagon! " Anti-gun bandwagon? It’s not a bandwagon. Guns are clearly a problem in the US. | |||
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"Unfortunately the UK has had the odd incident of this (Hungerford & Dunblane). Afterwards the police cracked down hard on who could and who couldn't legally own a gun. Has it made any difference to the risks? It's not the gun killing people it's the nutter pulling the trigger! Unfortunately the USA (especially some parts) are over subsribed with nutters so the problem will never go away ! How many children die in school in the UK, compared to the US? People might kill people, but guns make it easier. What's the population of the USA compared to UK? and the Dunblane murders was school kids (I think Andy Murray was at the school at the time) Agreed guns make it easier but if you wanted to commit mass murder you could simply drive along a packed pavement in a car or truck (I think in some of the terrorist attacks quite recently this has actually happened). So please don't jump on the anti-gun band wagon! " I am sorry but I am on that bandwagon. The sale and use of any guns should be heavily restricted and certainly not on open sale in a supermarket. Normal sane folks have no need whatsoever to own a gun. | |||
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"Unfortunately the UK has had the odd incident of this (Hungerford & Dunblane). Afterwards the police cracked down hard on who could and who couldn't legally own a gun. Has it made any difference to the risks? It's not the gun killing people it's the nutter pulling the trigger! Unfortunately the USA (especially some parts) are over subsribed with nutters so the problem will never go away ! How many children die in school in the UK, compared to the US? People might kill people, but guns make it easier. What's the population of the USA compared to UK? and the Dunblane murders was school kids (I think Andy Murray was at the school at the time) Agreed guns make it easier but if you wanted to commit mass murder you could simply drive along a packed pavement in a car or truck (I think in some of the terrorist attacks quite recently this has actually happened). So please don't jump on the anti-gun band wagon! " I know how to do multiplication and division, and indeed I know that crime statistics are usually figured out per 100k population. I also am aware of the staggering statistics of suicide, homicide, toddlers finding daddy's precious pistol, aggravated burglaries etc that happen in the States because of gun accessibility. The fact that you don't recognise that we can perform simple arithmetic to eliminate population differentials is either staggering or wildly dishonest, I'm not sure which. And "there are other ways of killing people therefore guns aren't that bad" is also astonishing. | |||
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"Unfortunately the UK has had the odd incident of this (Hungerford & Dunblane). Afterwards the police cracked down hard on who could and who couldn't legally own a gun. Has it made any difference to the risks? It's not the gun killing people it's the nutter pulling the trigger! Unfortunately the USA (especially some parts) are over subsribed with nutters so the problem will never go away ! How many children die in school in the UK, compared to the US? People might kill people, but guns make it easier. What's the population of the USA compared to UK? and the Dunblane murders was school kids (I think Andy Murray was at the school at the time) Agreed guns make it easier but if you wanted to commit mass murder you could simply drive along a packed pavement in a car or truck (I think in some of the terrorist attacks quite recently this has actually happened). So please don't jump on the anti-gun band wagon! I know how to do multiplication and division, and indeed I know that crime statistics are usually figured out per 100k population. I also am aware of the staggering statistics of suicide, homicide, toddlers finding daddy's precious pistol, aggravated burglaries etc that happen in the States because of gun accessibility. The fact that you don't recognise that we can perform simple arithmetic to eliminate population differentials is either staggering or wildly dishonest, I'm not sure which. And "there are other ways of killing people therefore guns aren't that bad" is also astonishing." Since numbers have been brought into it. Can you guess which had more deaths? The latest mass shooting in America or the last 5 car attacks on UK soil? | |||
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"Some peole say "it's our second ammendment rights" those were wrote over 200 years ago. There's laws in this country from hundreds of years ago that make it illegal to walk down the street with a fish..yet we don't see anyone getting arrested. Just because it's the second ammendment, doesn't make it acceptable. This isn't the wild West. Kids are dying in school for gods sake all because of a bloody second ammendment and let's not forget how powerful the NRA is." Also the way in which the Second Amendment has been interpreted. I'm pretty sure the Founding Fathers did not think of this when considering a militia. But history doesn't matter to any of these fucking clowns. Like in so many places, they just hold up the past as a justification of what they want, and cry that actual evidence is a librul media persecution. | |||
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"Unfortunately the UK has had the odd incident of this (Hungerford & Dunblane). Afterwards the police cracked down hard on who could and who couldn't legally own a gun. Has it made any difference to the risks? It's not the gun killing people it's the nutter pulling the trigger! Unfortunately the USA (especially some parts) are over subsribed with nutters so the problem will never go away ! How many children die in school in the UK, compared to the US? People might kill people, but guns make it easier. What's the population of the USA compared to UK? and the Dunblane murders was school kids (I think Andy Murray was at the school at the time) Agreed guns make it easier but if you wanted to commit mass murder you could simply drive along a packed pavement in a car or truck (I think in some of the terrorist attacks quite recently this has actually happened). So please don't jump on the anti-gun band wagon! I know how to do multiplication and division, and indeed I know that crime statistics are usually figured out per 100k population. I also am aware of the staggering statistics of suicide, homicide, toddlers finding daddy's precious pistol, aggravated burglaries etc that happen in the States because of gun accessibility. The fact that you don't recognise that we can perform simple arithmetic to eliminate population differentials is either staggering or wildly dishonest, I'm not sure which. And "there are other ways of killing people therefore guns aren't that bad" is also astonishing. Since numbers have been brought into it. Can you guess which had more deaths? The latest mass shooting in America or the last 5 car attacks on UK soil? " Dunno. What stops someone in the US from having a car attack with guns? Like, guns aren't the problem because cars can be used as weapons. *Things escalate* | |||
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"Unfortunately the UK has had the odd incident of this (Hungerford & Dunblane). Afterwards the police cracked down hard on who could and who couldn't legally own a gun. Has it made any difference to the risks? It's not the gun killing people it's the nutter pulling the trigger! Unfortunately the USA (especially some parts) are over subsribed with nutters so the problem will never go away ! How many children die in school in the UK, compared to the US? People might kill people, but guns make it easier. What's the population of the USA compared to UK? and the Dunblane murders was school kids (I think Andy Murray was at the school at the time) Agreed guns make it easier but if you wanted to commit mass murder you could simply drive along a packed pavement in a car or truck (I think in some of the terrorist attacks quite recently this has actually happened). So please don't jump on the anti-gun band wagon! I know how to do multiplication and division, and indeed I know that crime statistics are usually figured out per 100k population. I also am aware of the staggering statistics of suicide, homicide, toddlers finding daddy's precious pistol, aggravated burglaries etc that happen in the States because of gun accessibility. The fact that you don't recognise that we can perform simple arithmetic to eliminate population differentials is either staggering or wildly dishonest, I'm not sure which. And "there are other ways of killing people therefore guns aren't that bad" is also astonishing. Since numbers have been brought into it. Can you guess which had more deaths? The latest mass shooting in America or the last 5 car attacks on UK soil? Dunno. What stops someone in the US from having a car attack with guns? Like, guns aren't the problem because cars can be used as weapons. *Things escalate*" It’s an absolutely ridiculous argument. A fucking prawn can be used as a deadly weapon too so guns are fine | |||
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"Unfortunately the UK has had the odd incident of this (Hungerford & Dunblane). Afterwards the police cracked down hard on who could and who couldn't legally own a gun. Has it made any difference to the risks? It's not the gun killing people it's the nutter pulling the trigger! Unfortunately the USA (especially some parts) are over subsribed with nutters so the problem will never go away ! How many children die in school in the UK, compared to the US? People might kill people, but guns make it easier. What's the population of the USA compared to UK? and the Dunblane murders was school kids (I think Andy Murray was at the school at the time) Agreed guns make it easier but if you wanted to commit mass murder you could simply drive along a packed pavement in a car or truck (I think in some of the terrorist attacks quite recently this has actually happened). So please don't jump on the anti-gun band wagon! I know how to do multiplication and division, and indeed I know that crime statistics are usually figured out per 100k population. I also am aware of the staggering statistics of suicide, homicide, toddlers finding daddy's precious pistol, aggravated burglaries etc that happen in the States because of gun accessibility. The fact that you don't recognise that we can perform simple arithmetic to eliminate population differentials is either staggering or wildly dishonest, I'm not sure which. And "there are other ways of killing people therefore guns aren't that bad" is also astonishing. Since numbers have been brought into it. Can you guess which had more deaths? The latest mass shooting in America or the last 5 car attacks on UK soil? Dunno. What stops someone in the US from having a car attack with guns? Like, guns aren't the problem because cars can be used as weapons. *Things escalate* It’s an absolutely ridiculous argument. A fucking prawn can be used as a deadly weapon too so guns are fine "The thing that got into my head was a Japanese school attack. I think it was a mechanical pencil. Mechanical pencils are slightly less effective and the perpetrator can be brought down more easily | |||
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" It's not just those in power, a majority of American citizens don't want the gun laws to change. " No, it’s definitely not a case that the majority of citizens don’t want change. A huge majority are in favour of increased regulation, but legislation is repeatedly blocked in the mechanisms of state and federal legislatures. These are not my words, and it’s a long read, but it’s one of the best explanations of how America has got to where it is today that I have come across: “May 24, 2022 (Tuesday) Today, a gunman murdered at least 19 children and 2 adults at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. For years now, after one massacre or another, I have written some version of the same article, explaining that the nation’s current gun free-for-all is not traditional but, rather, is a symptom of the takeover of our nation by a radical extremist minority. The idea that massacres are “the price of freedom,” as right-wing personality Bill O’Reilly said in 2017 after the Mandalay Bay massacre in Las Vegas, in which a gunman killed 60 people and wounded 411 others, is new, and it is about politics, not our history. The Second Amendment to the Constitution, on which modern-day arguments for widespread gun ownership rest, is one simple sentence: “A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” There’s not a lot to go on about what the Framers meant, although in their day, to “bear arms” meant to be part of an organized militia. As the Tennessee Supreme Court wrote in 1840, “A man in the pursuit of deer, elk, and buffaloes might carry his rifle every day for forty years, and yet it would never be said of him that he had borne arms; much less could it be said that a private citizen bears arms because he has a dirk or pistol concealed under his clothes, or a spear in a cane.” Today’s insistence that the Second Amendment gives individuals a broad right to own guns comes from two places. One is the establishment of the National Rifle Association in New York in 1871, in part to improve the marksmanship skills of American citizens who might be called on to fight in another war, and in part to promote in America the British sport of elite shooting, complete with hefty cash prizes in newly organized tournaments. Just a decade after the Civil War, veterans jumped at the chance to hone their former skills. Rifle clubs sprang up across the nation. By the 1920s, rifle shooting was a popular American sport. “Riflemen” competed in the Olympics, in colleges, and in local, state, and national tournaments organized by the NRA. Being a good marksman was a source of pride, mentioned in public biographies, like being a good golfer. In 1925, when the secretary of the NRA apparently took money from ammunition and arms manufacturers, the organization tossed him out and sued him. NRA officers insisted on the right of citizens to own rifles and handguns but worked hard to distinguish between law-abiding citizens who should have access to guns for hunting and target shooting and protection, and criminals and mentally ill people, who should not. In 1931, amid fears of bootlegger gangs, the NRA backed federal legislation to limit concealed weapons; prevent possession by criminals, the mentally ill and children; to require all dealers to be licensed; and to require background checks before delivery. It backed the 1934 National Firearms Act, and parts of the 1968 Gun Control Act, designed to stop what seemed to be America’s hurtle toward violence in that turbulent decade. But in the mid-1970s, a faction in the NRA forced the organization away from sports and toward opposing “gun control.” It formed a political action committee (PAC) in 1975, and two years later it elected an organization president who abandoned sporting culture and focused instead on “gun rights.” This was the second thing that led us to where we are today: leaders of the NRA embraced the politics of Movement Conservatism, the political movement that rose to combat the business regulations and social welfare programs that both Democrats and Republicans embraced after World War II. Movement Conservatives embraced the myth of the American cowboy as a white man standing against the “socialism” of the federal government as it sought to level the economic playing field between Black Americans and their white neighbors. Leaders like Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater personified the American cowboy, with his cowboy hat and opposition to government regulation, while television Westerns showed good guys putting down bad guys without the interference of the government. In 1972, the Republican platform had called for gun control to restrict the sale of “cheap handguns,” but in 1975, as he geared up to challenge President Gerald R. Ford for the 1976 presidential nomination, Movement Conservative hero Ronald Reagan took a stand against gun control. In 1980, the Republican platform opposed the federal registration of firearms, and the NRA endorsed a presidential candidate—Reagan—for the first time. When President Reagan took office, a new American era, dominated by Movement Conservatives, began. And the power of the NRA over American politics grew. In 1981 a gunman trying to kill Reagan shot and paralyzed his press secretary, James Brady, and wounded Secret Service agent Tim McCarthy and police officer Thomas Delahanty. After the shooting, then-representative Charles Schumer (D-NY) introduced legislation that became known as the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, or the Brady Bill, to require background checks before gun purchases. Reagan, who was a member of the NRA, endorsed the bill, but the NRA spent millions of dollars to defeat it. After the Brady Bill passed in 1993, the NRA paid for lawsuits in nine states to strike it down. Until 1959, every single legal article on the Second Amendment concluded that it was not intended to guarantee individuals the right to own a gun. But in the 1970s, legal scholars funded by the NRA had begun to argue that the Second Amendment did exactly that. In 1997, when the Brady Bill cases came before the Supreme Court as Printz v. United States, the Supreme Court declared parts of the measure unconstitutional. Now a player in national politics, the NRA was awash in money from gun and ammunition manufacturers. By 2000 it was one of the three most powerful lobbies in Washington. It spent more than $40 million on the 2008 election. In that year, the landmark Supreme Court decision of District of Columbia v. Heller struck down gun regulations and declared that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to keep and bear arms. Increasingly, NRA money backed Republican candidates. In 2012 the NRA spent $9 million in the presidential election, and in 2014 it spent $13 million. Then, in 2016, it spent over $50 million on Republican candidates, including more than $30 million on Trump’s effort to win the White House. This money was vital to Trump, since many other Republican super PACs refused to back him. The NRA spent more money on Trump than any other outside group, including the leading Trump super PAC, which spent $20.3 million. The unfettered right to own and carry weapons has come to symbolize the Republican Party’s ideology of individual liberty. Lawmakers and activists have not been able to overcome Republican insistence on gun rights despite the mass shootings that have risen since their new emphasis on guns. Even though 90% of Americans—including nearly 74% of NRA members—support background checks, Republicans have killed such legislation by filibustering it. The NRA will hold its 2022 annual meeting this Friday in Houston. Former president Trump will speak, along with Texas governor Greg Abbott, senator Ted Cruz, and representative Dan Crenshaw; North Carolina lieutenant governor Mark Robinson; and South Dakota governor Kristi Noem—all Republicans. NRA executive vice president and chief executive officer Wayne LaPierre expressed his enthusiasm for the lineup by saying: “President Trump delivered on his promises by appointing judges who respect and value the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and in doing so helped ensure the freedom of generations of Americans.” Tonight, President Joe Biden spoke to the nation: “Why are we willing to live with this carnage? Why do we keep letting this happen?... It’s time to turn this pain into action. For every parent, for every citizen in this country, we have to make it clear to every elected official in this country, it’s time to act.” In the Senate, Chris Murphy (D-CT) said, "I am here on this floor, to beg, to literally get down on my hands and knees and beg my colleagues....find a way to pass laws that make this less likely." But it was Steve Kerr, the coach of the Golden State Warriors basketball team, whose father was murdered by gunmen in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1984, who best expressed the outrage of the nation. At a press conference tonight, shaking, he said, “I’m not going to talk about basketball…. Any basketball questions don’t matter…. Fourteen children were killed 400 miles from here, and a teacher, and in the last ten days we’ve had elderly Black people killed in a supermarket in Buffalo, we’ve had Asian churchgoers killed in Southern California, and now we have children murdered at school. WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO SOMETHING? I’m tired, I’m so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families…. I’m tired of the moments of silence. Enough. There’s 50 senators…who refuse to vote on HR 8, which is a background check rule that the House passed a couple years ago…. [N]inety percent of Americans, regardless of political party, want…universal background checks…. We are being held hostage by 50 senators in Washington who refuse to even put it to a vote despite what we the American people want…because they want to hold onto their own power. It’s pathetic,” he said, walking out of the press conference. “I’ve had enough.” “ | |||
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"Unfortunately the UK has had the odd incident of this (Hungerford & Dunblane). Afterwards the police cracked down hard on who could and who couldn't legally own a gun. Has it made any difference to the risks? It's not the gun killing people it's the nutter pulling the trigger! Unfortunately the USA (especially some parts) are over subsribed with nutters so the problem will never go away ! How many children die in school in the UK, compared to the US? People might kill people, but guns make it easier. What's the population of the USA compared to UK? and the Dunblane murders was school kids (I think Andy Murray was at the school at the time) Agreed guns make it easier but if you wanted to commit mass murder you could simply drive along a packed pavement in a car or truck (I think in some of the terrorist attacks quite recently this has actually happened). So please don't jump on the anti-gun band wagon! I know how to do multiplication and division, and indeed I know that crime statistics are usually figured out per 100k population. I also am aware of the staggering statistics of suicide, homicide, toddlers finding daddy's precious pistol, aggravated burglaries etc that happen in the States because of gun accessibility. The fact that you don't recognise that we can perform simple arithmetic to eliminate population differentials is either staggering or wildly dishonest, I'm not sure which. And "there are other ways of killing people therefore guns aren't that bad" is also astonishing. Since numbers have been brought into it. Can you guess which had more deaths? The latest mass shooting in America or the last 5 car attacks on UK soil? Dunno. What stops someone in the US from having a car attack with guns? Like, guns aren't the problem because cars can be used as weapons. *Things escalate* It’s an absolutely ridiculous argument. A fucking prawn can be used as a deadly weapon too so guns are fine
The thing that got into my head was a Japanese school attack. I think it was a mechanical pencil.
Mechanical pencils are slightly less effective and the perpetrator can be brought down more easily"Exactly. If that kid had access to a gun it would be a different story. A kid at my school attacked teachers for getting him expelled. I can only imagine what would happen if he had access to a gun. | |||
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Yeah, I'm quite anti those things that are for killing. Not a fan. What a crazy position. "I'm also in the position of not liking kids being shot. Call me crazy and all. I'm also anti childhood malnutrition. Anti non accidental injury. And all sorts of other wacky things. Somebody stop me! *Jim Carrey impersonation* | |||
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Yeah, I'm quite anti those things that are for killing. Not a fan. What a crazy position. "Agreed. And the gun lobby response will be that this incident wouldn’t have been as bad if there were more guns, and someone had shot the killer sooner. They will use this incident to defend easy access to firearms | |||
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Yeah, I'm quite anti those things that are for killing. Not a fan. What a crazy position.
Agreed.
And the gun lobby response will be that this incident wouldn’t have been as bad if there were more guns, and someone had shot the killer sooner. They will use this incident to defend easy access to firearms "Fortunately, the tide is beginning to turn. The dreadful persecution of actually measuring things, to see if this happens in real life, is happening. The data indicate that "good guy with a gun" is mostly a wank fantasy. | |||
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Yeah, I'm quite anti those things that are for killing. Not a fan. What a crazy position.
Agreed.
And the gun lobby response will be that this incident wouldn’t have been as bad if there were more guns, and someone had shot the killer sooner. They will use this incident to defend easy access to firearms
Fortunately, the tide is beginning to turn. The dreadful persecution of actually measuring things, to see if this happens in real life, is happening.
The data indicate that "good guy with a gun" is mostly a wank fantasy."I hope you are right about the tide turning, but having lived in the US myself for several years, the tide has a very very long way to turn. | |||
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Yeah, I'm quite anti those things that are for killing. Not a fan. What a crazy position.
Agreed.
And the gun lobby response will be that this incident wouldn’t have been as bad if there were more guns, and someone had shot the killer sooner. They will use this incident to defend easy access to firearms
Fortunately, the tide is beginning to turn. The dreadful persecution of actually measuring things, to see if this happens in real life, is happening.
The data indicate that "good guy with a gun" is mostly a wank fantasy.
I hope you are right about the tide turning, but having lived in the US myself for several years, the tide has a very very long way to turn. "I mean a very specific tide - restrictions on research. So we can actually study it. Not that we can do anything about it  | |||
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"When the forefathers made the constitution the guns at the time where single shot so you could protect yourself against bears etc. How could they have known that it would mean 200 odd years later you could buy semi automatic weapons, until they change the constitution to reflect modern times these things are just going to happen. This lad of 18 could buy two semi automatic weapons but is not old enough to walk into a pub and buy a drink just how mad is that. No the right to bear arms isn't to defend against animals, it's so they can rise up against tyranny. Those single shot flintlocks were state of the art millitary weapons back then.
Which applies even less now. How is a slightly armed country meant to protect itself from government tyranny when the government in question has the strongest military in the world by a long shot.
It’s an old argument that needs scrapping. Bunch of hill billies thinking they’ll win a civil war if they try to take their guns away "You do know Romania and Poland are making it easier to aquire firearms? And there's a few european countries where reservists keep their shooters at home? | |||
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"When the forefathers made the constitution the guns at the time where single shot so you could protect yourself against bears etc. How could they have known that it would mean 200 odd years later you could buy semi automatic weapons, until they change the constitution to reflect modern times these things are just going to happen. This lad of 18 could buy two semi automatic weapons but is not old enough to walk into a pub and buy a drink just how mad is that. No the right to bear arms isn't to defend against animals, it's so they can rise up against tyranny. Those single shot flintlocks were state of the art millitary weapons back then.
Which applies even less now. How is a slightly armed country meant to protect itself from government tyranny when the government in question has the strongest military in the world by a long shot.
It’s an old argument that needs scrapping. Bunch of hill billies thinking they’ll win a civil war if they try to take their guns away
You do know Romania and Poland are making it easier to aquire firearms? And there's a few european countries where reservists keep their shooters at home? "… not really the same thing though, as a country where there are more mass shootings than there are days. Switzerland has a high level of gun ownership but that doesn’t translate into daily mass shootings. | |||
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"When the forefathers made the constitution the guns at the time where single shot so you could protect yourself against bears etc. How could they have known that it would mean 200 odd years later you could buy semi automatic weapons, until they change the constitution to reflect modern times these things are just going to happen. This lad of 18 could buy two semi automatic weapons but is not old enough to walk into a pub and buy a drink just how mad is that. No the right to bear arms isn't to defend against animals, it's so they can rise up against tyranny. Those single shot flintlocks were state of the art millitary weapons back then.
Which applies even less now. How is a slightly armed country meant to protect itself from government tyranny when the government in question has the strongest military in the world by a long shot.
It’s an old argument that needs scrapping. Bunch of hill billies thinking they’ll win a civil war if they try to take their guns away
You do know Romania and Poland are making it easier to aquire firearms? And there's a few european countries where reservists keep their shooters at home?
… not really the same thing though, as a country where there are more mass shootings than there are days.
Switzerland has a high level of gun ownership but that doesn’t translate into daily mass shootings. "My point exactly! I own several guns (not through choice but due to family members passing away and me, because I have a license, volunteering to take ownership) and so far, as far as I can remember, I haven't murdered anyone! In the same way that 100's of thousands of legal gun owners in the UK haven't. Unfortunately a lot of the american population are a little, lets say, wierd/crazy/unhinged so they are more likely to commit these horrendous crimes. | |||
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"It's a tragedy that children at age 5 are taught what to do where to hide and what not to do in the advent of an active shooter incident !what price innocence. " A couple of years ago, my kids must have been about 5&6, they did a similar drill at their school, hiding and barricading doors. The school hadn’t warned us they were going to do it and it shocked and upset me when they came home and told me. This is in England btw and I’m assuming what happened yesterday in Texas will prompt them to do it again. I understand why they did it, but it’s such a frightening world we live in when children have to be out through that kind of drill. | |||
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"When the forefathers made the constitution the guns at the time where single shot so you could protect yourself against bears etc. How could they have known that it would mean 200 odd years later you could buy semi automatic weapons, until they change the constitution to reflect modern times these things are just going to happen. This lad of 18 could buy two semi automatic weapons but is not old enough to walk into a pub and buy a drink just how mad is that. No the right to bear arms isn't to defend against animals, it's so they can rise up against tyranny. Those single shot flintlocks were state of the art millitary weapons back then.
Which applies even less now. How is a slightly armed country meant to protect itself from government tyranny when the government in question has the strongest military in the world by a long shot.
It’s an old argument that needs scrapping. Bunch of hill billies thinking they’ll win a civil war if they try to take their guns away
You do know Romania and Poland are making it easier to aquire firearms? And there's a few european countries where reservists keep their shooters at home?
… not really the same thing though, as a country where there are more mass shootings than there are days.
Switzerland has a high level of gun ownership but that doesn’t translate into daily mass shootings.
My point exactly! I own several guns (not through choice but due to family members passing away and me, because I have a license, volunteering to take ownership) and so far, as far as I can remember, I haven't murdered anyone! In the same way that 100's of thousands of legal gun owners in the UK haven't. Unfortunately a lot of the american population are a little, lets say, wierd/crazy/unhinged so they are more likely to commit these horrendous crimes. "Also, gun control is very weak, lack of background checks in many states, and massive resistance in GOP and gun lobby against strengthening gun controls. And I am guessing that none of the guns that you own are assault rifles or machine guns. No private citizens need such guns. | |||
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"It's a tragedy that children at age 5 are taught what to do where to hide and what not to do in the advent of an active shooter incident !what price innocence. " I think a flood is a tragedy. Needing to prepare children for mass shootings is a failure of policy. | |||
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"It's a tragedy that children at age 5 are taught what to do where to hide and what not to do in the advent of an active shooter incident !what price innocence. " So sad. I lived there for several years, loved my time there but am so glad I didn’t settle there | |||
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"When the forefathers made the constitution the guns at the time where single shot so you could protect yourself against bears etc. How could they have known that it would mean 200 odd years later you could buy semi automatic weapons, until they change the constitution to reflect modern times these things are just going to happen. This lad of 18 could buy two semi automatic weapons but is not old enough to walk into a pub and buy a drink just how mad is that. No the right to bear arms isn't to defend against animals, it's so they can rise up against tyranny. Those single shot flintlocks were state of the art millitary weapons back then.
Which applies even less now. How is a slightly armed country meant to protect itself from government tyranny when the government in question has the strongest military in the world by a long shot.
It’s an old argument that needs scrapping. Bunch of hill billies thinking they’ll win a civil war if they try to take their guns away
You do know Romania and Poland are making it easier to aquire firearms? And there's a few european countries where reservists keep their shooters at home?
… not really the same thing though, as a country where there are more mass shootings than there are days.
Switzerland has a high level of gun ownership but that doesn’t translate into daily mass shootings.
My point exactly! I own several guns (not through choice but due to family members passing away and me, because I have a license, volunteering to take ownership) and so far, as far as I can remember, I haven't murdered anyone! In the same way that 100's of thousands of legal gun owners in the UK haven't. Unfortunately a lot of the american population are a little, lets say, wierd/crazy/unhinged so they are more likely to commit these horrendous crimes.
Also, gun control is very weak, lack of background checks in many states, and massive resistance in GOP and gun lobby against strengthening gun controls.
And I am guessing that none of the guns that you own are assault rifles or machine guns. No private citizens need such guns. "They aren't assault rifles and machine guns they are using. They are semi automatic rifles, intended for the civilan market.
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" Your 4 year old has learnt that from someone else. No child is born believing that those born in a particular place are less than. Mr Really? there was me thinking she's been reading political articles, collaborating information and formulating opinions........ So absolutely irrelevant then. " Not really irrelevant. More of an indication of how easily kids pick up ideas from their elders. The mechanism oould partly explain how Americans grow up accepting gun culture so readily. | |||
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" Your 4 year old has learnt that from someone else. No child is born believing that those born in a particular place are less than. Mr Really? there was me thinking she's been reading political articles, collaborating information and formulating opinions........ So absolutely irrelevant then. Not really irrelevant. More of an indication of how easily kids pick up ideas from their elders. *The mechanism oould partly explain how Americans grow up accepting gun culture so readily.*" *Fair point. | |||
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"It's about time they gave the kids guns and training how to use them, after all the so called adults have done a sh1t job so far. " • | |||
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"It's about time they gave the kids guns and training how to use them, after all the so called adults have done a sh1t job so far. " Well, it's not like the US gun situation could get worse. Sure. Why not. | |||
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"It's about time they gave the kids guns and training how to use them, after all the so called adults have done a sh1t job so far. " • Oh dear. And here endeth the lesson. | |||
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