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Is Modernity destroying the Human Mind?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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All material demands ,fast paced life,mod cons,smart everything,concrete jungle, discard society,fast food,elec cars, " metaverse"
Mental health has been on the rise and hugely taken a Brunt from this rapid rise! |
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I can’t remember but pretty sure it’s Satre? Or another existentialist that talks about freedom and the impact it has on us. Capitalism or post modernity or both have led to this consequence imo. We are ‘condemned to be free’. In that the freedom to be whatever or in this case *have* whatever means that we are in constant states of anxiety but also of desire. It’s so easy to preach live within your means in a world like today but much harder to actually do it.
I think I’ve been pretty mild here and not gone on the anticap rant that I wanted to but hmu if you’re tryna hear the full thing in DM. (All genders welcome and couples too. ) |
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"But who pushes for modernity? And if not us why do we get sucked up into it? "
Capitalism.
Thinking of the Marx quote about how capitalists chase the world in search of more.
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"I can’t remember but pretty sure it’s Satre? Or another existentialist that talks about freedom and the impact it has on us. Capitalism or post modernity or both have led to this consequence imo. We are ‘condemned to be free’. In that the freedom to be whatever or in this case *have* whatever means that we are in constant states of anxiety but also of desire. It’s so easy to preach live within your means in a world like today but much harder to actually do it.
I think I’ve been pretty mild here and not gone on the anticap rant that I wanted to but hmu if you’re tryna hear the full thing in DM. (All genders welcome and couples too.)"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But who pushes for modernity? And if not us why do we get sucked up into it?
Capitalism.
Thinking of the Marx quote about how capitalists chase the world in search of more.
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Found it-
‘The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the bourgeoisie over the entire surface of the globe’.
I realise it’s in a different context but applied here I think it’s clear that the capitalist’s constant need for growth has spread to every corner of the earth (colonialism, western imperialism etc) and it’s difficult to not get sucked into it. |
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"But who pushes for modernity? And if not us why do we get sucked up into it?
Capitalism.
Thinking of the Marx quote about how capitalists chase the world in search of more.
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Yeah but it's too easy to blame capitalism I think. People have a choice. Do they need for example another haul (despise that terminology) of Shein lingerie, which you know full well is not good for the environment and probably has exploited others in the making of it? Do we need the lastest gadget? |
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"Was poor mental health less prevalent in for instance the early 1800s? I don't know the answer, I'm just wondering"
They just didn't understand it then, I mean look at all the asylums and the reasons people were in there. These days they would be every day ailments easily treated. |
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Yes I do believe so, not everyone is but a lot of people are living in this instant world. Where they almost expect things to happen there and then, it doesn’t help with social media where people only show their best side and reality is things aren’t always like that and some things don’t happen instantly.
It’s so easy to click and order and it comes the next day and that’s great, it’s amazing that can happen. But I think some people carry that mindset over into other aspects of their life…
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But who pushes for modernity? And if not us why do we get sucked up into it?
Capitalism.
Thinking of the Marx quote about how capitalists chase the world in search of more.
Yeah but it's too easy to blame capitalism I think. People have a choice. Do they need for example another haul (despise that terminology) of Shein lingerie, which you know full well is not good for the environment and probably has exploited others in the making of it? Do we need the lastest gadget?"
I think we’re actually at risk of underestimating the impact of a capitalist world if we don’t suggest that it has led to such greed (for lack of a better word). I also think this because I reject the notion that human beings are intrinsically this greedy and suppose pre capitalist and successful small communes around the world are possibly examples to prove that (maybe). Anyway as I said above, capitalism and post modernity create (deliberately) a need for the unnecessary and also create the anxiety and desire for overconsumption. Capitalism and consumption are invariably linked imo. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Is the human mind being destroyed ?
In The wider civilised advanced developed world?
On here?
Can we see the change and shift in patterns from peoples behaviours?
Via onservations and rea life interactions daily?
Etc etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There are many great results from modernity, the problem is that with social media most people see the stupid side of humanity and modern life. It’s no coincidence either that younger generations who are and have been living with social media exposure are having developmental, emotional and physical issues, mental health problems are rising, anxiety is rife in young people…
But is that social medias fault or the parents that are allowing social media to be the baby sitter for their children? Never getting them down to the park to kick balls and sprint around and socialise.
This is going to sound strange but some will understand - children are like animals (I’ll use the example of a puppy)… if you don’t train, teach, socialise, let them win and learn the lesson of loss, push them into testing situations, you end up with an adult dog that will be disobedient, scared, aggressive, unable to navigate the world around them smoothly. The same goes for children, and parents using social media and the television to sedate their kids has created millions if not billions of these dysfunctional young humans, who are right now teens and young adults… |
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"But who pushes for modernity? And if not us why do we get sucked up into it?
Capitalism.
Thinking of the Marx quote about how capitalists chase the world in search of more.
Yeah but it's too easy to blame capitalism I think. People have a choice. Do they need for example another haul (despise that terminology) of Shein lingerie, which you know full well is not good for the environment and probably has exploited others in the making of it? Do we need the lastest gadget?"
I think we're all stuck in this system where we're pressured to feel that we need to keep up. That happiness is in the next product.
I'm not saying it's entirely the system, but I reject this notion that it's just the individual. |
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"But who pushes for modernity? And if not us why do we get sucked up into it?
Capitalism.
Thinking of the Marx quote about how capitalists chase the world in search of more.
Yeah but it's too easy to blame capitalism I think. People have a choice. Do they need for example another haul (despise that terminology) of Shein lingerie, which you know full well is not good for the environment and probably has exploited others in the making of it? Do we need the lastest gadget?
I think we’re actually at risk of underestimating the impact of a capitalist world if we don’t suggest that it has led to such greed (for lack of a better word). I also think this because I reject the notion that human beings are intrinsically this greedy and suppose pre capitalist and successful small communes around the world are possibly examples to prove that (maybe). Anyway as I said above, capitalism and post modernity create (deliberately) a need for the unnecessary and also create the anxiety and desire for overconsumption. Capitalism and consumption are invariably linked imo. "
Yep I have mates who live off grid and are self sufficient. It's a hard life but they love it. It's not for me but it's a good reminder, to get off that cycle of capitalism and consumption, and to question my own FOMO. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yes and no. It’s improving the quality of life but people are so wrapped up it that it can become detrimental to their mental health.
That episode of Black Mirror where you score people on social interactions is probably where it is heading. |
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"But who pushes for modernity? And if not us why do we get sucked up into it?
Capitalism.
Thinking of the Marx quote about how capitalists chase the world in search of more.
Yeah but it's too easy to blame capitalism I think. People have a choice. Do they need for example another haul (despise that terminology) of Shein lingerie, which you know full well is not good for the environment and probably has exploited others in the making of it? Do we need the lastest gadget?
I think we're all stuck in this system where we're pressured to feel that we need to keep up. That happiness is in the next product.
I'm not saying it's entirely the system, but I reject this notion that it's just the individual. "
I don't think it is just down to the individual but I do think it's a combination of both. Capitalism has tapped into people's fear of missing out totally agree. But I do think as an individual we can work on our own resilience to that capitalist force. |
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"But who pushes for modernity? And if not us why do we get sucked up into it?
Capitalism.
Thinking of the Marx quote about how capitalists chase the world in search of more.
Yeah but it's too easy to blame capitalism I think. People have a choice. Do they need for example another haul (despise that terminology) of Shein lingerie, which you know full well is not good for the environment and probably has exploited others in the making of it? Do we need the lastest gadget?
I think we're all stuck in this system where we're pressured to feel that we need to keep up. That happiness is in the next product.
I'm not saying it's entirely the system, but I reject this notion that it's just the individual.
I don't think it is just down to the individual but I do think it's a combination of both. Capitalism has tapped into people's fear of missing out totally agree. But I do think as an individual we can work on our own resilience to that capitalist force. "
Yes. I think we're in broad agreement.
I don't think as a whole, individuals are very good at resisting that pressure (and we can be penalised by society when we do so). I think it's the more exceptional people who can resist - which means that the system perpetuates. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But who pushes for modernity? And if not us why do we get sucked up into it?
Capitalism.
Thinking of the Marx quote about how capitalists chase the world in search of more.
Yeah but it's too easy to blame capitalism I think. People have a choice. Do they need for example another haul (despise that terminology) of Shein lingerie, which you know full well is not good for the environment and probably has exploited others in the making of it? Do we need the lastest gadget?
I think we're all stuck in this system where we're pressured to feel that we need to keep up. That happiness is in the next product.
I'm not saying it's entirely the system, but I reject this notion that it's just the individual.
I don't think it is just down to the individual but I do think it's a combination of both. Capitalism has tapped into people's fear of missing out totally agree. But I do think as an individual we can work on our own resilience to that capitalist force.
Yes. I think we're in broad agreement.
I don't think as a whole, individuals are very good at resisting that pressure (and we can be penalised by society when we do so). I think it's the more exceptional people who can resist - which means that the system perpetuates. "
Resistance does always start within first. I am thinking of that initial moment of consciousness and then the whole class consciousness and then the fall of capitalism. Mwahahahahahahahaha. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"Was poor mental health less prevalent in for instance the early 1800s? I don't know the answer, I'm just wondering
I doubt there were many happy child factory workers in the 1800s. "
The likes of Charles Dickens seemed to be happy enough though, but a mac book might have helped him out a bit. |
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"But who pushes for modernity? And if not us why do we get sucked up into it?
Capitalism.
Thinking of the Marx quote about how capitalists chase the world in search of more.
Yeah but it's too easy to blame capitalism I think. People have a choice. Do they need for example another haul (despise that terminology) of Shein lingerie, which you know full well is not good for the environment and probably has exploited others in the making of it? Do we need the lastest gadget?
I think we're all stuck in this system where we're pressured to feel that we need to keep up. That happiness is in the next product.
I'm not saying it's entirely the system, but I reject this notion that it's just the individual.
I don't think it is just down to the individual but I do think it's a combination of both. Capitalism has tapped into people's fear of missing out totally agree. But I do think as an individual we can work on our own resilience to that capitalist force.
Yes. I think we're in broad agreement.
I don't think as a whole, individuals are very good at resisting that pressure (and we can be penalised by society when we do so). I think it's the more exceptional people who can resist - which means that the system perpetuates.
Resistance does always start within first. I am thinking of that initial moment of consciousness and then the whole class consciousness and then the fall of capitalism. Mwahahahahahahahaha. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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More people are living longer and happier lives than ever, thanks to modernism and capitalism. Countless millions in China alone lifted out of the poverty and misery that communism inflicted on an ancient culture. |
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I am much more positive about modernity. Many of the changes in the 20 century wee hugely positive. My gender got the vote. People don't get transported for stealing a loaf of bread. The internet and Fab.cancer cures, antibiotics, PREP etc etc. |
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"I am much more positive about modernity. Many of the changes in the 20 century wee hugely positive. My gender got the vote. People don't get transported for stealing a loaf of bread. The internet and Fab.cancer cures, antibiotics, PREP etc etc."
No wonder the population of Australia is declining, bring back transportation for bread thieves! |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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Is mental health actually rising or just our understanding and awareness ?
Most of the mental health conditions were only labelled very recently so the numbers are bound to be higher than when they didn't exist
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is mental health actually rising or just our understanding and awareness ?
Most of the mental health conditions were only labelled very recently so the numbers are bound to be higher than when they didn't exist
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Globally suicide has declined by almost a third since 2000. Plenty of real world indicators are positive about mental health. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What you mentioned cannot be blamed on capitalism. Instead, it's because of a paradox of desires.
On one hand, we have things which give us temporary pleasure or quick gratification like smoking, drinking, binge watching, sex etc. These things give you a quick surge of happiness without you having to take any responsibilities.
On the other hand, you have things which give you long term fulfilment and satisfaction like having family, watching them grow, building communities around the place you live, taking up big responsibilities and fulfilling them. These things are hard work, requires some personal sacrifices and takes a long time to achieve. But without them, there will always be something missing in your mind.
In the past, the latter was pretty much forced on you either by social rules or because of economic situation. With capitalism, people can choose to not care about long term fulfilment while they can bathe themselves with temporary joys. As taking up big responsibilities has become a choice, most people have chosen against it and focused all their time on temporary desires.
The happiest ones I have known are the people who have managed to balance both kinds of happiness well in their lives.
Sorry for getting too philosophical - Your friendly monk signing off. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is mental health actually rising or just our understanding and awareness ?
Most of the mental health conditions were only labelled very recently so the numbers are bound to be higher than when they didn't exist
Globally suicide has declined by almost a third since 2000. Plenty of real world indicators are positive about mental health. "
Globally yes. But there seems to be a trend recently that it is creeping up a bit slowly in developed countries. |
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"Was poor mental health less prevalent in for instance the early 1800s? I don't know the answer, I'm just wondering"
Poor mental health was rife. We called it different things. We hid people away in asylums, workhouses or abandoned them. People were electrocuted to try and zap it out of them. They were exorcised by priests. There was significant alcoholism across many centuries, mainly in the working classes (with shitter lives, on average, so more likely to have mental ill health) - think the gin crisis of the 1700s, various temperance movements etc.
It was there, we just didn't categorise and acknowledge it. |
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"Was poor mental health less prevalent in for instance the early 1800s? I don't know the answer, I'm just wondering"
I surely doubt that, we are just better at recognising it and labelling it now I think |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is mental health actually rising or just our understanding and awareness ?
Most of the mental health conditions were only labelled very recently so the numbers are bound to be higher than when they didn't exist
Globally suicide has declined by almost a third since 2000. Plenty of real world indicators are positive about mental health.
Globally yes. But there seems to be a trend recently that it is creeping up a bit slowly in developed countries."
True but long term trend is still down in those countries. |
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"What you mentioned cannot be blamed on capitalism. Instead, it's because of a paradox of desires.
On one hand, we have things which give us temporary pleasure or quick gratification like smoking, drinking, binge watching, sex etc. These things give you a quick surge of happiness without you having to take any responsibilities.
On the other hand, you have things which give you long term fulfilment and satisfaction like having family, watching them grow, building communities around the place you live, taking up big responsibilities and fulfilling them. These things are hard work, requires some personal sacrifices and takes a long time to achieve. But without them, there will always be something missing in your mind.
In the past, the latter was pretty much forced on you either by social rules or because of economic situation. With capitalism, people can choose to not care about long term fulfilment while they can bathe themselves with temporary joys. As taking up big responsibilities has become a choice, most people have chosen against it and focused all their time on temporary desires.
The happiest ones I have known are the people who have managed to balance both kinds of happiness well in their lives.
Sorry for getting too philosophical - Your friendly monk signing off."
This makes total sense to me, thank you |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What you mentioned cannot be blamed on capitalism. Instead, it's because of a paradox of desires.
On one hand, we have things which give us temporary pleasure or quick gratification like smoking, drinking, binge watching, sex etc. These things give you a quick surge of happiness without you having to take any responsibilities.
On the other hand, you have things which give you long term fulfilment and satisfaction like having family, watching them grow, building communities around the place you live, taking up big responsibilities and fulfilling them. These things are hard work, requires some personal sacrifices and takes a long time to achieve. But without them, there will always be something missing in your mind.
In the past, the latter was pretty much forced on you either by social rules or because of economic situation. With capitalism, people can choose to not care about long term fulfilment while they can bathe themselves with temporary joys. As taking up big responsibilities has become a choice, most people have chosen against it and focused all their time on temporary desires.
The happiest ones I have known are the people who have managed to balance both kinds of happiness well in their lives.
Sorry for getting too philosophical - Your friendly monk signing off.
This makes total sense to me, thank you "
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"All material demands ,fast paced life,mod cons,smart everything,concrete jungle, discard society,fast food,elec cars, " metaverse"
Mental health has been on the rise and hugely taken a Brunt from this rapid rise! "
A lot of these things, and similar, are well known to help create a gratification and mental processing that is not conducive to positive mental states or emotions etc, but with wider awareness a lot of things help to change things too so it’s not all negative I guess. I do feel like the younger generation whom have grown up with some of that culture and the internet have had less chance to develop in the way previous generations have. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Is mental health actually rising or just our understanding and awareness ?
Most of the mental health conditions were only labelled very recently so the numbers are bound to be higher than when they didn't exist
Globally suicide has declined by almost a third since 2000. Plenty of real world indicators are positive about mental health.
Globally yes. But there seems to be a trend recently that it is creeping up a bit slowly in developed countries.
True but long term trend is still down in those countries."
A lot is about funding , you need labels to fund things and create lucrative pharmaceutical supply. Bi-polar and ADHD are two examples, the pharma industry funded the research including support groups then the labels came about , manic depression declined , bipolar soared, special schools declined; add soared, Ritalin is huge £££ |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is mental health actually rising or just our understanding and awareness ?
Most of the mental health conditions were only labelled very recently so the numbers are bound to be higher than when they didn't exist
Globally suicide has declined by almost a third since 2000. Plenty of real world indicators are positive about mental health.
Globally yes. But there seems to be a trend recently that it is creeping up a bit slowly in developed countries.
True but long term trend is still down in those countries.
A lot is about funding , you need labels to fund things and create lucrative pharmaceutical supply. Bi-polar and ADHD are two examples, the pharma industry funded the research including support groups then the labels came about , manic depression declined , bipolar soared, special schools declined; add soared, Ritalin is huge £££"
This too. Often it's just a number of symptoms that are grouped under one label whether it's fully proven they are related or not. |
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
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"Was poor mental health less prevalent in for instance the early 1800s? I don't know the answer, I'm just wondering
Poor mental health was rife. We called it different things. We hid people away in asylums, workhouses or abandoned them. People were electrocuted to try and zap it out of them. They were exorcised by priests. There was significant alcoholism across many centuries, mainly in the working classes (with shitter lives, on average, so more likely to have mental ill health) - think the gin crisis of the 1700s, various temperance movements etc.
It was there, we just didn't categorise and acknowledge it."
I suspect the Industrial Revolution was far worse and more brutal to the minds and bodies of the masses that moved from the country to the cities than any effect of modernism. |
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You can, by and large, choose not to “take-part”. You might not be able to stop the world going to hell in a handcart but that doesn’t mean you have to join in with the pushing.
Log off (metaphorically speaking), learn self-reliance, as Europe weans itself off of Russian oil and gas, wean yourself off of social media, mindless celebrity culture and fomo consumerism. |
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"All material demands ,fast paced life,mod cons,smart everything,concrete jungle, discard society,fast food,elec cars, " metaverse"
Mental health has been on the rise and hugely taken a Brunt from this rapid rise! "
Personally, I think that the most intelligent are more intelligent than ever but the average intelligence is lower.
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By *ensualMan
over a year ago
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"All material demands ,fast paced life,mod cons,smart everything,concrete jungle, discard society,fast food,elec cars, " metaverse"
Mental health has been on the rise and hugely taken a Brunt from this rapid rise!
Personally, I think that the most intelligent are more intelligent than ever but the average intelligence is lower.
Cal"
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"What you mentioned cannot be blamed on capitalism. Instead, it's because of a paradox of desires.
On one hand, we have things which give us temporary pleasure or quick gratification like smoking, drinking, binge watching, sex etc. These things give you a quick surge of happiness without you having to take any responsibilities.
On the other hand, you have things which give you long term fulfilment and satisfaction like having family, watching them grow, building communities around the place you live, taking up big responsibilities and fulfilling them. These things are hard work, requires some personal sacrifices and takes a long time to achieve. But without them, there will always be something missing in your mind.
In the past, the latter was pretty much forced on you either by social rules or because of economic situation. With capitalism, people can choose to not care about long term fulfilment while they can bathe themselves with temporary joys. As taking up big responsibilities has become a choice, most people have chosen against it and focused all their time on temporary desires.
The happiest ones I have known are the people who have managed to balance both kinds of happiness well in their lives.
Sorry for getting too philosophical - Your friendly monk signing off."
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By *hoirCouple
over a year ago
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Mordernity is multifaceted and I expect would be impossible to "blame" one element of it for the gradual destruction of society as we see currently.
Do you have a specific area you would consider more likely to cause harm? And where would you consider the worst deterioration?
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"Was poor mental health less prevalent in for instance the early 1800s? I don't know the answer, I'm just wondering
Poor mental health was rife. We called it different things. We hid people away in asylums, workhouses or abandoned them. People were electrocuted to try and zap it out of them. They were exorcised by priests. There was significant alcoholism across many centuries, mainly in the working classes (with shitter lives, on average, so more likely to have mental ill health) - think the gin crisis of the 1700s, various temperance movements etc.
It was there, we just didn't categorise and acknowledge it.
I suspect the Industrial Revolution was far worse and more brutal to the minds and bodies of the masses that moved from the country to the cities than any effect of modernism."
I'm sure the people who lived in Angel Meadow, described by Friedrich Engels as "hell on Earth" had abysmal mental health. Hence the violence, the substance abuse etc. |
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"All material demands ,fast paced life,mod cons,smart everything,concrete jungle, discard society,fast food,elec cars, " metaverse"
Mental health has been on the rise and hugely taken a Brunt from this rapid rise!
Personally, I think that the most intelligent are more intelligent than ever but the average intelligence is lower.
Cal"
Objectively, average intelligence on the IQ scale is still 100, is it not? |
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"All material demands ,fast paced life,mod cons,smart everything,concrete jungle, discard society,fast food,elec cars, " metaverse"
Mental health has been on the rise and hugely taken a Brunt from this rapid rise! "
Yes and no.
This probably isn’t going to be a popular opinion - but I think the collective ‘we’ - in particular the younger generation - are encouraged to be completely self obsessed and self focused.
For example - myself and all three of my kids went to the same high school - obviously decades apart.
When I went there we just ‘got on with it’ - and were punished if we didn’t. I can’t remember anyone at any time in my childhood asking me how I ‘felt’ - and it wasn’t something I contemplated much. I accept that wasn’t necessarily ideal but it’s how it was.
A couple of decades later my oldest child went there. They still just ‘got on with it’ to a large extent - but there was more support available (a school counsellor etc) for those who struggled.
My youngest 2 went from c 2015. At that time every wall in the school corridors had posters pertaining to mental health - constantly encouraging the kids to consider how they ‘felt’. As well as counsellors there was a hub where they could go for quiet contemplation, nurture rooms etc etc. on top of that social media is/was all about ‘me me me’.
I think the current obsession with self instead of a collective or ‘greater good’ as it were is definitely part of the problem. |
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