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over a year ago
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I know thats not a likely prospect but this is a serious question .............
My oven internal light cover broke along with the light bulb (that had stopped working), whilst I tried to take them out to replace the bulb
I now have a sheered off lightbulb sitting in the oven lightbulb housing ....
Do I need to just isolate the oven by switching the oven switch off or should I pull the fuse on the fuse board too before taking some long nosed pliers to it to try and remove it ...........
I do not want the stupid answers that tell me to do it with it live cos I dont wanna die just yet thanks ...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know thats not a likely prospect but this is a serious question .............
My oven internal light cover broke along with the light bulb (that had stopped working), whilst I tried to take them out to replace the bulb
I now have a sheered off lightbulb sitting in the oven lightbulb housing ....
Do I need to just isolate the oven by switching the oven switch off or should I pull the fuse on the fuse board too before taking some long nosed pliers to it to try and remove it ...........
I do not want the stupid answers that tell me to do it with it live cos I dont wanna die just yet thanks ...... "
Switch oven off. |
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over a year ago
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"I know have visions of a wild haired woman walking round Brighton with a blackened face saying 'does anyone know what time the chippy shuts ?'"
There we are - you proved me wrong. We do need a man after all... if only for the witty stuff  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know thats not a likely prospect but this is a serious question .............
My oven internal light cover broke along with the light bulb (that had stopped working), whilst I tried to take them out to replace the bulb
I now have a sheered off lightbulb sitting in the oven lightbulb housing ....
Do I need to just isolate the oven by switching the oven switch off or should I pull the fuse on the fuse board too before taking some long nosed pliers to it to try and remove it ...........
I do not want the stupid answers that tell me to do it with it live cos I dont wanna die just yet thanks ......
Switch oven off."
Depending how safe you feel doing it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its a right ball ache when this happens. It happened o the light on our oven. The way I got it out was with pliers to grip the metal base of the light bulb and turn it out. Our oven had a screw in fitting, so it was a pain.
Just make sure you turn the oven off from the mains when you do it. Also probably worth wearing garden gloves as the broken glass is very fine and hurts like fuck if you cut yourself with it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I know thats not a likely prospect but this is a serious question .............
My oven internal light cover broke along with the light bulb (that had stopped working), whilst I tried to take them out to replace the bulb
I now have a sheered off lightbulb sitting in the oven lightbulb housing ....
Do I need to just isolate the oven by switching the oven switch off or should I pull the fuse on the fuse board too before taking some long nosed pliers to it to try and remove it ...........
I do not want the stupid answers that tell me to do it with it live cos I dont wanna die just yet thanks ......
Switch oven off.
Depending how safe you feel doing it."
put it like this I can feel a trip to A&E coming on - either for burns or for cuts ..............   |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Pull the fuse or turn off the breaker.
Then use long nose pliers to remove bulb remnants.
If in any doubt
"CALL AN ELECTRICIAN"
No price on your own safty |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"wear rubber wellys rubber gloves and stand on a rubber bath mat and you should be ok, only should though b4 you try it !!  "
me thinks I am gonna drag someone in off the street to do it - I must know an electrician surely or failing that who dont I need in my life ......... lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"And then stick to sandwiches and cold salads or if you prefer something hot.........pot noodles.  "
I noted u didnt volunteer to die ...... and just down the road tooo tskkk |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know thats not a likely prospect but this is a serious question .............
My oven internal light cover broke along with the light bulb (that had stopped working), whilst I tried to take them out to replace the bulb
I now have a sheered off lightbulb sitting in the oven lightbulb housing ....
Do I need to just isolate the oven by switching the oven switch off or should I pull the fuse on the fuse board too before taking some long nosed pliers to it to try and remove it ...........
I do not want the stupid answers that tell me to do it with it live cos I dont wanna die just yet thanks ...... "
An isolator does just that - it isolates the appliance from the supply. However, if it really bothers you to put a pair of metal pliers into something your brain is telling you should be live then by all means pull the fuse (or flick the circuit breaker off, whichever you have). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"And then stick to sandwiches and cold salads or if you prefer something hot.........pot noodles. "
Get your tool kit out and go and help the lady, you only live around the corner!!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"where's Wishy when u need him WISHY HELP
He is in recover from shock... as I declared my love for him publicly! "
I'm watchin X factor. ffs.. it's the importunt bit.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"where's Wishy when u need him WISHY HELP
He is in recover from shock... as I declared my love for him publicly!
I'm watchin X factor. ffs.. it's the importunt bit. "
will i be safe if i just flick the red switch? or not - quick before they vote |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a catering engineer I can say as long as the oven is switched off at the wall you should be ok but if your worried always best to take the fuse out better to be safe than sorry |
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"where's Wishy when u need him WISHY HELP
He is in recover from shock... as I declared my love for him publicly!
I'm watchin X factor. ffs.. it's the importunt bit.
will i be safe if i just flick the red switch? or not - quick before they vote "
Have mailed you.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yep on the wall
ure just trying to kill me off lol it should be the other way around "
Ok ok... Seriously... As an electrical engineer always play safe (no pun on sexual connotation intended ) either switch it off at the wall or better still pull the fuse/flick the switch for the cooker/kitchen ring main on the consumer unit. Pull the remnants out with pliers.... Safety first in my job xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yep on the wall
ure just trying to kill me off lol it should be the other way around
Ok ok... Seriously... As an electrical engineer always play safe (no pun on sexual connotation intended ) either switch it off at the wall or better still pull the fuse/flick the switch for the cooker/kitchen ring main on the consumer unit. Pull the remnants out with pliers.... Safety first in my job xx"
What he said.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Do NOT trust just the switch on the oven itself!
If it's wired correctly, the oven should have it's own large mains switch on the wall, plus separate wiring to a single fuse or circuit breaker on the fuse board.
Just switching off the main wall switch will completely isolate the oven and make it safe.
But that doesn't give you absolute protection from doing something daft, like accidentally knocking the wall switch - so pull the fuse or turn of the breaker at the fuse board as well for absolute safety.
Then turn on the oven switch to make sure that it doesn't work - but turn it off again before doing anything more.
But if you're pulling out any of the light socket parts then you should get somebody knowledgable to check what you've done unless you are really certain of your skill level.
It would really be safer to get somebody to lift the whole oven out of the unit to check for damage behind the light - it's usually not a difficult job.
I did a basic home electrics course years ago, when we restored an old house - electrical equipment really should be treated with more than a little care.
Treat it with the thought that it might work ok after you've repaired it, but there's always a chance that it could later burn your house down if you've got it wrong, or kill you or somebody else at any time! And it does happen - too many times....
Best advice - swallow the cost and get a professional electrician in - male or female!!!
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For safety, locate which fuse/circuit breaker serves the oven on your 'fusebox'. Isolate it here by turning off the circuit breaker or removing the fuse.
Most 'cooker' wall switches are double pole isolation, meaning it would be safe to isolate using that, but some older ones aren't.
Don't take any chances, isolate it at the fusebox.
As for removing the bulb from the holder, using long nosed pliers is fine and you won't need rubber gloves etc, unless you have any broken glass to remove.
Above all be careful, and if in any doubt at any stage, STOP, and call a qualified electrician.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Do NOT trust just the switch on the oven itself!
If it's wired correctly, the oven should have it's own large mains switch on the wall, plus separate wiring to a single fuse or circuit breaker on the fuse board.
Just switching off the main wall switch will completely isolate the oven and make it safe.
But that doesn't give you absolute protection from doing something daft, like accidentally knocking the wall switch - so pull the fuse or turn of the breaker at the fuse board as well for absolute safety.
Then turn on the oven switch to make sure that it doesn't work - but turn it off again before doing anything more.
But if you're pulling out any of the light socket parts then you should get somebody knowledgable to check what you've done unless you are really certain of your skill level.
It would really be safer to get somebody to lift the whole oven out of the unit to check for damage behind the light - it's usually not a difficult job.
I did a basic home electrics course years ago, when we restored an old house - electrical equipment really should be treated with more than a little care.
Treat it with the thought that it might work ok after you've repaired it, but there's always a chance that it could later burn your house down if you've got it wrong, or kill you or somebody else at any time! And it does happen - too many times....
Best advice - swallow the cost and get a professional electrician in - male or female!!!
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its a screw in (scuse the pun) lightbulb - not bloody rocket science lol but thank u for your concern |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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and I havent been blown up and I cant do the job either - some little shite has run off with the pliers and no one and I mean no one knows where they are ................. grrrrr |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"where's Wishy when u need him WISHY HELP
He is in recover from shock... as I declared my love for him publicly!
I'm watchin X factor. ffs.. it's the importunt bit.
will i be safe if i just flick the red switch? or not - quick before they vote
Have mailed you.
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thank u x |
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"All good advice except no one asked the question, are you sure the isolation switch worked on both poles. First rule of isolation test, test and test again.
Hope you have managed ok minx.  "
Hence my post...!
Safer to isolate at source too. |
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"All good advice except no one asked the question, are you sure the isolation switch worked on both poles. First rule of isolation test, test and test again.
Hope you have managed ok minx. "
I'm suspecting she won't have a Megger handy. |
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"All good advice except no one asked the question, are you sure the isolation switch worked on both poles. First rule of isolation test, test and test again.
Hope you have managed ok minx.
Hence my post...!
Safer to isolate at source too."
But to be fair to other posts most mcb's only isolate the one live conductor. |
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"All good advice except no one asked the question, are you sure the isolation switch worked on both poles. First rule of isolation test, test and test again.
Hope you have managed ok minx.
I'm suspecting she won't have a Megger handy. "
Your so last century wishy |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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nope havent succeeded some twat ran off with the long nosed pliers and doesnt know where they are ............... give me strength ........ gonna have to continue this tomorrow |
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A serious note here - how many of the people who have offered advice are actually 'qualified' to do so? I.e. are elctricians working to curren 17th edition wiring regs?
It may sound petty, but if someone acts on your advice and it is incorrect, you could end up being liable for damages/ compensation. All qualified electricians will a) know what they are talking about and b) will have PLI to ensure that if the worst happens they are covered.
This is also the reason that Part P was introduced to stop people 'playing' with their own electrical installations.
Seriously folks, if it's not what you do, please don't offer advice!!!
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"nope havent succeeded some twat ran off with the long nosed pliers and doesnt know where they are ............... give me strength ........ gonna have to continue this tomorrow "
Cotton towel double folded turn lamp out counter clock wise job done, and make sure power is off  |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"A serious note here - how many of the people who have offered advice are actually 'qualified' to do so? I.e. are elctricians working to curren 17th edition wiring regs?
It may sound petty, but if someone acts on your advice and it is incorrect, you could end up being liable for damages/ compensation. All qualified electricians will a) know what they are talking about and b) will have PLI to ensure that if the worst happens they are covered.
This is also the reason that Part P was introduced to stop people 'playing' with their own electrical installations.
Seriously folks, if it's not what you do, please don't offer advice!!!
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I could not agree with you more and I would personally not touch electrics even though I understand. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A serious note here - how many of the people who have offered advice are actually 'qualified' to do so? I.e. are elctricians working to curren 17th edition wiring regs?
It may sound petty, but if someone acts on your advice and it is incorrect, you could end up being liable for damages/ compensation. All qualified electricians will a) know what they are talking about and b) will have PLI to ensure that if the worst happens they are covered.
This is also the reason that Part P was introduced to stop people 'playing' with their own electrical installations.
Seriously folks, if it's not what you do, please don't offer advice!!!
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I am 17th Edit Part P Full Scope and have £2m Public Liability insurance. I'm also a member of Elecsa.
Part P is changing so that many jobs that currently fall under Minor Works are no longer considered to be notifiable. This is being done so that homeowners can do basic electrical work themselves (run in an extra socket off a ring main or radial circuit for example). Isolating an oven circuit and extracting a broken light fitting does NOT require an electrician to do it unless the homeowner really doesn't feel comfortable accomplishing the task his or herself.
A pair of pliers does help though, and as she's lost hers she'll have to wait till she gets some more before doing it. |
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"All good advice except no one asked the question, are you sure the isolation switch worked on both poles. First rule of isolation test, test and test again.
Hope you have managed ok minx.
Hence my post...!
Safer to isolate at source too.
But to be fair to other posts most mcb's only isolate the one live conductor. "
No. But if its a more recent installation then the RCD will be protection enough, and if it is a very recent installation then it will be an RCBO anyway. If it is very old installation, then it is to be hoped that it is at least PME.
In all cases, the more points of isolation, the better for a 'non-expert'.
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"A serious note here - how many of the people who have offered advice are actually 'qualified' to do so? I.e. are elctricians working to curren 17th edition wiring regs?
It may sound petty, but if someone acts on your advice and it is incorrect, you could end up being liable for damages/ compensation. All qualified electricians will a) know what they are talking about and b) will have PLI to ensure that if the worst happens they are covered.
This is also the reason that Part P was introduced to stop people 'playing' with their own electrical installations.
Seriously folks, if it's not what you do, please don't offer advice!!!
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And here me thinking part P was set up to make government more money. By the way I am a electrician, technician and electrical engineer. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"nope havent succeeded some twat ran off with the long nosed pliers and doesnt know where they are ............... give me strength ........ gonna have to continue this tomorrow
Cotton towel double folded turn lamp out counter clock wise job done, and make sure power is off "
I had already tried that ages ago but the bulb has sheared off in line with the plastic bit so there is nothing to grab ...........hence the need for the long nosed pliers |
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"A serious note here - how many of the people who have offered advice are actually 'qualified' to do so? I.e. are elctricians working to curren 17th edition wiring regs?
It may sound petty, but if someone acts on your advice and it is incorrect, you could end up being liable for damages/ compensation. All qualified electricians will a) know what they are talking about and b) will have PLI to ensure that if the worst happens they are covered.
This is also the reason that Part P was introduced to stop people 'playing' with their own electrical installations.
Seriously folks, if it's not what you do, please don't offer advice!!!
I am 17th Edit Part P Full Scope and have £2m Public Liability insurance. I'm also a member of Elecsa.
Part P is changing so that many jobs that currently fall under Minor Works are no longer considered to be notifiable. This is being done so that homeowners can do basic electrical work themselves (run in an extra socket off a ring main or radial circuit for example). Isolating an oven circuit and extracting a broken light fitting does NOT require an electrician to do it unless the homeowner really doesn't feel comfortable accomplishing the task his or herself.
A pair of pliers does help though, and as she's lost hers she'll have to wait till she gets some more before doing it. "
Don't get me wrong the principle of p cert is great, I sat in on talks with presso when they talked, but then they let kitchen fitters and the like do a five day course and be able to issue, never right in a month of Sundays. By the way good to know you take your work with due respect |
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Good to hear both of you are talking so much sense.
All good and glad someone else knows their stuff here! Aware that Part P is changing and has always been a bugbear of mine...
As for this task - no, doesn't NEED an electrician, unless she really is unsure about what she's doing, then the best course of action is to call in someone who does.
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"Don't get me wrong the principle of p cert is great, I sat in on talks with presso when they talked, but then they let kitchen fitters and the like do a five day course and be able to issue, never right in a month of Sundays. By the way good to know you take your work with due respect"
I've come across some literally shocking installations out there done by so called professional electricians. If Part P helps to eliminate cowboys ripping people off with potentially life threatening installs then I'm in full support of it.
When people tell me electricity scares the life out of them I always say this:
I treat it like a caged tiger. If the gate is closed you'll be fine but leave the gate open and it will eat you. |
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"Good to hear both of you are talking so much sense.
All good and glad someone else knows their stuff here! Aware that Part P is changing and has always been a bugbear of mine...
As for this task - no, doesn't NEED an electrician, unless she really is unsure about what she's doing, then the best course of action is to call in someone who does.
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i know wot i need to do just cant at the mo |
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"Good to hear both of you are talking so much sense.
All good and glad someone else knows their stuff here! Aware that Part P is changing and has always been a bugbear of mine...
As for this task - no, doesn't NEED an electrician, unless she really is unsure about what she's doing, then the best course of action is to call in someone who does.
i know wot i need to do just cant at the mo "
That's good Minxie - just remember safety first!
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"Good to hear both of you are talking so much sense.
All good and glad someone else knows their stuff here! Aware that Part P is changing and has always been a bugbear of mine...
As for this task - no, doesn't NEED an electrician, unless she really is unsure about what she's doing, then the best course of action is to call in someone who does.
i know wot i need to do just cant at the mo
That's good Minxie - just remember safety first!
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its safe I have isolated it |
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"Good to hear both of you are talking so much sense.
All good and glad someone else knows their stuff here! Aware that Part P is changing and has always been a bugbear of mine...
As for this task - no, doesn't NEED an electrician, unless she really is unsure about what she's doing, then the best course of action is to call in someone who does.
i know wot i need to do just cant at the mo
That's good Minxie - just remember safety first!
its safe I have isolated it "
Does that mean you not doing my supper |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Good to hear both of you are talking so much sense.
All good and glad someone else knows their stuff here! Aware that Part P is changing and has always been a bugbear of mine...
As for this task - no, doesn't NEED an electrician, unless she really is unsure about what she's doing, then the best course of action is to call in someone who does.
i know wot i need to do just cant at the mo
That's good Minxie - just remember safety first!
its safe I have isolated it
Does that mean you not doing my supper "
errrm can use the microwave - or the hob - would either of them help?? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I know have visions of a wild haired woman walking round Brighton with a blackened face saying 'does anyone know what time the chippy shuts ?'"
thats me on a normal day lol and I didnt see this last nite and cant stop laughing now |
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"I know have visions of a wild haired woman walking round Brighton with a blackened face saying 'does anyone know what time the chippy shuts ?'
thats me on a normal day lol and I didnt see this last nite and cant stop laughing now Just came back to check on you... thankfully you still seem very much alive and kicking "
well sort of ........... fooking oven why have I got one of those in the kitchen ......... oh yeah to feed the kids I remember now |
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"Good to hear both of you are talking so much sense.
All good and glad someone else knows their stuff here! Aware that Part P is changing and has always been a bugbear of mine...
As for this task - no, doesn't NEED an electrician, unless she really is unsure about what she's doing, then the best course of action is to call in someone who does.
i know wot i need to do just cant at the mo
That's good Minxie - just remember safety first!
its safe I have isolated it
Does that mean you not doing my supper
errrm can use the microwave - or the hob - would either of them help?? "
Always more the company than the food  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Good to hear both of you are talking so much sense.
All good and glad someone else knows their stuff here! Aware that Part P is changing and has always been a bugbear of mine...
As for this task - no, doesn't NEED an electrician, unless she really is unsure about what she's doing, then the best course of action is to call in someone who does.
i know wot i need to do just cant at the mo
That's good Minxie - just remember safety first!
its safe I have isolated it
Does that mean you not doing my supper
errrm can use the microwave - or the hob - would either of them help??
Always more the company than the food "
company I can do all the time, ovens are not my favourite subject today |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Think the only way to keep Minxie safe... is to completely isolate her xx"
there would still be havoc and mayhem even if I was isolated, its just so much more fun if there are others around too |
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