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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So, apparently calling someone bald is now classed as a form of sexual harassment.
The three judges classified it in the same category as commenting on a woman's breasts.
Thoughts? |
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By *uke OzadeMan
over a year ago
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"So, apparently calling someone bald is now classed as a form of sexual harassment.
The three judges classified it in the same category as commenting on a woman's breasts.
Thoughts?"
I can think of far better ways for you to sexually harass me  |
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"So, apparently calling someone bald is now classed as a form of sexual harassment.
The three judges classified it in the same category as commenting on a woman's breasts.
Thoughts?"
Really?
Bald heads and breasts are similar?
Must be some big boobs! |
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"Not sure it’s sexual harrasment.
Do you mean it was ruled discriminatory?
(It’s not. It’s just descriptive)"
I hate being called a "big, bald bastard". I mean, big and bald sure...but do I have to be called a bastard too? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not sure it’s sexual harrasment.
Do you mean it was ruled discriminatory?
(It’s not. It’s just descriptive)"
Calling someone fat is also descriptive, so is that ok? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It’s commenting on someone’s appearance so I can understand why it’s in the same category as commenting on a women’s breasts and although I don’t think it’s right to call someone bald it’s not as bad as commenting on a women’s breasts. I don’t see why anyone would ever feel it necessary to call someone bald to their face though, it’s something that some men are very sensitive about and wouldn’t be happy about being called bald. If someone does call someone bald then it tends to be intended as an insult and to cause offence, not that I think there’s anything wrong with being bald but I don’t see any other reason for calling someone bald to their face. |
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By *akie32Man
over a year ago
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hate this woke thing, if i call someone bald when they are bald, its a fact, not harrasment, if i call a black persone black , its a fact etc, i could go on but you get the point, worlds gone mad i tell you , if someone called me an ugly white old bloke, its also a fact, so what.
people offend far to easy these days, and often for someone else, who normaly isnt the least bit offended  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"hate this woke thing, if i call someone bald when they are bald, its a fact, not harrasment, if i call a black persone black , its a fact etc, i could go on but you get the point, worlds gone mad i tell you , if someone called me an ugly white old bloke, its also a fact, so what.
people offend far to easy these days, and often for someone else, who normaly isnt the least bit offended "
Why do you need to call a bald person bald though, or a black person black? People don’t offend any easier these days than they used to, they just feel more comfortable to say when they’re offended. In the past people would have hidden their feelings because they would have been mostly met with opinions like yours if they’d said anything. Do you also think there are more gay people now than there used to be? It’s not up to you to decide what people are offended by and I don’t see what’s so wrong with having a bit of consideration for other people’s feelings. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, apparently calling someone bald is now classed as a form of sexual harassment.
The three judges classified it in the same category as commenting on a woman's breasts.
Thoughts?"
My thoughts are this if the person in question is bald calling him bald is factually correct. So now we are living in a world where a factually correct statement is considered as harassment.
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By *akie32Man
over a year ago
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"hate this woke thing, if i call someone bald when they are bald, its a fact, not harrasment, if i call a black persone black , its a fact etc, i could go on but you get the point, worlds gone mad i tell you , if someone called me an ugly white old bloke, its also a fact, so what.
people offend far to easy these days, and often for someone else, who normaly isnt the least bit offended
Why do you need to call a bald person bald though, or a black person black? People don’t offend any easier these days than they used to, they just feel more comfortable to say when they’re offended. In the past people would have hidden their feelings because they would have been mostly met with opinions like yours if they’d said anything. Do you also think there are more gay people now than there used to be? It’s not up to you to decide what people are offended by and I don’t see what’s so wrong with having a bit of consideration for other people’s feelings. "
i dont have to call them anything, and i never do, but if i was to be asked to describe a bald black person to someone, what else would i say? a folicly challanged person of colour, could mean anything, isnt white a colour? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"hate this woke thing, if i call someone bald when they are bald, its a fact, not harrasment, if i call a black persone black , its a fact etc, i could go on but you get the point, worlds gone mad i tell you , if someone called me an ugly white old bloke, its also a fact, so what.
people offend far to easy these days, and often for someone else, who normaly isnt the least bit offended
Why do you need to call a bald person bald though, or a black person black? People don’t offend any easier these days than they used to, they just feel more comfortable to say when they’re offended. In the past people would have hidden their feelings because they would have been mostly met with opinions like yours if they’d said anything. Do you also think there are more gay people now than there used to be? It’s not up to you to decide what people are offended by and I don’t see what’s so wrong with having a bit of consideration for other people’s feelings.
i dont have to call them anything, and i never do, but if i was to be asked to describe a bald black person to someone, what else would i say? a folicly challanged person of colour, could mean anything, isnt white a colour?"
I’m on about saying it to their face. No one’s going to be offended by describing them as bald when you’re talking to someone else, mainly because they won’t hear it. |
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By *akie32Man
over a year ago
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"hate this woke thing, if i call someone bald when they are bald, its a fact, not harrasment, if i call a black persone black , its a fact etc, i could go on but you get the point, worlds gone mad i tell you , if someone called me an ugly white old bloke, its also a fact, so what.
people offend far to easy these days, and often for someone else, who normaly isnt the least bit offended
I guess you wouldn’t be offended if I was to call you a bit thick then because of how bad your spelling and grammar is? You don’t know how to construct proper sentences and you don’t know when to use apostrophes or capital letters which indicates that you’re not very well educated and a bit dumb.
no i would laugh it off, i know i have bad dislwxia, and didnt spend much time at school due to bad foster care, but thats not your problem, and nore should it be, you dont know my story, nore i yours, but it defenatly wouldnt bother me, im a grown up, ive been called worse
This is a great statement because being offended is a choice you can choose to just not be offended by another person's opinion on you and move on. thinking its a free world and they have the right to call me what they want because what they are calling me says more about them as I human being than it does me .
Well said this man . "
thank you, we need more people like you in this world |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"hate this woke thing, if i call someone bald when they are bald, its a fact, not harrasment, if i call a black persone black , its a fact etc, i could go on but you get the point, worlds gone mad i tell you , if someone called me an ugly white old bloke, its also a fact, so what.
people offend far to easy these days, and often for someone else, who normaly isnt the least bit offended
I guess you wouldn’t be offended if I was to call you a bit thick then because of how bad your spelling and grammar is? You don’t know how to construct proper sentences and you don’t know when to use apostrophes or capital letters which indicates that you’re not very well educated and a bit dumb.
no i would laugh it off, i know i have bad dislwxia, and didnt spend much time at school due to bad foster care, but thats not your problem, and nore should it be, you dont know my story, nore i yours, but it defenatly wouldnt bother me, im a grown up, ive been called worse
This is a great statement because being offended is a choice you can choose to just not be offended by another person's opinion on you and move on. thinking its a free world and they have the right to call me what they want because what they are calling me says more about them as I human being than it does me .
Well said this man .
thank you, we need more people like you in this world "
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By *akie32Man
over a year ago
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"hate this woke thing, if i call someone bald when they are bald, its a fact, not harrasment, if i call a black persone black , its a fact etc, i could go on but you get the point, worlds gone mad i tell you , if someone called me an ugly white old bloke, its also a fact, so what.
people offend far to easy these days, and often for someone else, who normaly isnt the least bit offended
I guess you wouldn’t be offended if I was to call you a bit thick then because of how bad your spelling and grammar is? You don’t know how to construct proper sentences and you don’t know when to use apostrophes or capital letters which indicates that you’re not very well educated and a bit dumb.
no i would laugh it off, i know i have bad dislwxia, and didnt spend much time at school due to bad foster care, but thats not your problem, and nore should it be, you dont know my story, nore i yours, but it defenatly wouldnt bother me, im a grown up, ive been called worse
This is a great statement because being offended is a choice you can choose to just not be offended by another person's opinion on you and move on. thinking its a free world and they have the right to call me what they want because what they are calling me says more about them as I human being than it does me .
Well said this man .
thank you, we need more people like you in this world
I'm a radical in today world a dinosaur of the past "
maybe im the same, life was alot simpler back then lol |
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Can see both sides. I'm all for equality, what's good for the goose, The first comment illustrates the double standards perfectly.
As others have said just because it's factually correct doesn't mean you should say it, I work with some people who are pretty stupid, but I'd never say that to them. |
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I'm bald as a Badgers arse but never once has anyone walked up to me in the street and said "hey, nice bald head". Similarly if you've got great big boobies has a stranger ever walked up to you and said "hey, nice great big breasticles". Granted being called bald could be misconstrued as harassment but here on planet earth people get a punch in the mouth if they're rude and out of order. |
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"I'm bald as a Badgers arse but never once has anyone walked up to me in the street and said "hey, nice bald head". Similarly if you've got great big boobies has a stranger ever walked up to you and said "hey, nice great big breasticles". Granted being called bald could be misconstrued as harassment but here on planet earth people get a punch in the mouth if they're rude and out of order."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm confused, could someone explain how calling someone bald is sexual harassment?
Not being rude in anyway, actually a serious question
I was thinking the same thing "
Phew ... not just me |
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"I'm confused, could someone explain how calling someone bald is sexual harassment?
Not being rude in anyway, actually a serious question "
It’s commenting on someone’s body. Same as if you commented on a woman’s tits or ass or whatever |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, apparently calling someone bald is now classed as a form of sexual harassment.
The three judges classified it in the same category as commenting on a woman's breasts.
Thoughts?"
Read this yesterday, reminded me of the guy who was the oldest employee where he worked and his nickname was "Not dead yet Dave" who sued and won damages for discrimination.
Snowflakes.
Having nicknames part of work life, I've had several, never affected me. Pathetic some of the reasons used to get money out of people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm confused, could someone explain how calling someone bald is sexual harassment?
Not being rude in anyway, actually a serious question
It’s commenting on someone’s body. Same as if you commented on a woman’s tits or ass or whatever "
But why sexual harassment? Boobs and arse are usually harassed in a sexual way? That's the bit I don't really get!
If that's the case then does it literally mean we cannot talk about any part of anybody? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm confused, could someone explain how calling someone bald is sexual harassment?
Not being rude in anyway, actually a serious question
It’s commenting on someone’s body. Same as if you commented on a woman’s tits or ass or whatever
But why sexual harassment? Boobs and arse are usually harassed in a sexual way? That's the bit I don't really get!
If that's the case then does it literally mean we cannot talk about any part of anybody? "
Oh I do totally get that it can be rude, upsetting, maybe a touchy subject and actually referring to someone's baldness would be rather horrid |
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"I'm confused, could someone explain how calling someone bald is sexual harassment?
Not being rude in anyway, actually a serious question
It’s commenting on someone’s body. Same as if you commented on a woman’s tits or ass or whatever
But why sexual harassment? Boobs and arse are usually harassed in a sexual way? That's the bit I don't really get!
If that's the case then does it literally mean we cannot talk about any part of anybody? "
It’s the way it’s going now
Looking at someone on the tube is sexual harassment. How can a look be sexual in nature? It can’t really, but it’s not what matters anymore, it’s how the person feels. If they feel it’s a sexual look, it gets charged as one. Same as this.
It’s very 1984, but that’s how things are headed. So put your horse blinders on, don’t look up from your phone, and don’t you dare interact with another human |
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Wasn’t the full story a guy took employee to court because the boss daily would comment about being bald and make jokes about him loosing his hair etc so he seemed advice cos he said he was made to be point of jokes etc an it was legal team who pushed it for the motion of sexual harassment.
I am not saying is right or wrong but as someone loosing hair been times someone has made joke that makes me feel uncomfortable or self conscious but I’ve never thought great I need complain or something, it’s the world gone mad.
It’s nearly as bad as the young guy who tried sue his ex boss for agism cos she said he didn’t want any more young staff as the expect hand outs and not to work hard. So he tries claim years salary as compensation for agism cos he wanted take year off with stress and travel cos he left his job. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm confused, could someone explain how calling someone bald is sexual harassment?
Not being rude in anyway, actually a serious question
It’s commenting on someone’s body. Same as if you commented on a woman’s tits or ass or whatever
But why sexual harassment? Boobs and arse are usually harassed in a sexual way? That's the bit I don't really get!
If that's the case then does it literally mean we cannot talk about any part of anybody?
It’s the way it’s going now
Looking at someone on the tube is sexual harassment. How can a look be sexual in nature? It can’t really, but it’s not what matters anymore, it’s how the person feels. If they feel it’s a sexual look, it gets charged as one. Same as this.
It’s very 1984, but that’s how things are headed. So put your horse blinders on, don’t look up from your phone, and don’t you dare interact with another human "
Oh I always get in trouble in London! Good trouble so far luckily ... just for being me, happy and friendly! Thankfully not there often but dreading going back to work there  |
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I still see Vin Diesel knocking one out in the woods
Who hasn't knocked one out with vin diesel in the woods?  "
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Best to get him to stand behind a tree though and growl "I am Groot" occasionally to really get that Guardians of the Galaxy role play to be effective...
No? Just me on that one then..
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"Wasn’t the full story a guy took employee to court because the boss daily would comment about being bald and make jokes about him loosing his hair etc so he seemed advice cos he said he was made to be point of jokes etc an it was legal team who pushed it for the motion of sexual harassment.
I am not saying is right or wrong but as someone loosing hair been times someone has made joke that makes me feel uncomfortable or self conscious but I’ve never thought great I need complain or something, it’s the world gone mad.
It’s nearly as bad as the young guy who tried sue his ex boss for agism cos she said he didn’t want any more young staff as the expect hand outs and not to work hard. So he tries claim years salary as compensation for agism cos he wanted take year off with stress and travel cos he left his job. "
I absolutely totally understand how any name calling is a horrible thing and any body shaming is totally terrible but I just cannot get my head around, or how, it's sexual harassment that's all! |
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"hate this woke thing, if i call someone bald when they are bald, its a fact, not harrasment, if i call a black persone black , its a fact etc, i could go on but you get the point, worlds gone mad i tell you , if someone called me an ugly white old bloke, its also a fact, so what.
people offend far to easy these days, and often for someone else, who normaly isnt the least bit offended
Why do you need to call a bald person bald though, or a black person black? People don’t offend any easier these days than they used to, they just feel more comfortable to say when they’re offended. In the past people would have hidden their feelings because they would have been mostly met with opinions like yours if they’d said anything. Do you also think there are more gay people now than there used to be? It’s not up to you to decide what people are offended by and I don’t see what’s so wrong with having a bit of consideration for other people’s feelings. "
One of the reasons for descriptive words is to describe people.
Imagine if you saw someone in a crowded shop drop their wallet, but you couldn't see where they went. How would you ask people if they had seen them so you could get it back?
Descriptions are not offensive, it's the context in which they are used that can be. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm confused, could someone explain how calling someone bald is sexual harassment?
Not being rude in anyway, actually a serious question
It’s commenting on someone’s body. Same as if you commented on a woman’s tits or ass or whatever
But why sexual harassment? Boobs and arse are usually harassed in a sexual way? That's the bit I don't really get!
If that's the case then does it literally mean we cannot talk about any part of anybody?
It’s the way it’s going now
Looking at someone on the tube is sexual harassment. How can a look be sexual in nature? It can’t really, but it’s not what matters anymore, it’s how the person feels. If they feel it’s a sexual look, it gets charged as one. Same as this.
It’s very 1984, but that’s how things are headed. So put your horse blinders on, don’t look up from your phone, and don’t you dare interact with another human "
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"Makes sense. If STARING at someone on the tube is now sexual harassment then I think commenting on someone’s body should be too
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Staring is SH imo btw. |
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"It’s commenting on someone’s appearance so I can understand why it’s in the same category as commenting on a women’s breasts and although I don’t think it’s right to call someone bald it’s not as bad as commenting on a women’s breasts. I don’t see why anyone would ever feel it necessary to call someone bald to their face though, it’s something that some men are very sensitive about and wouldn’t be happy about being called bald. If someone does call someone bald then it tends to be intended as an insult and to cause offence, not that I think there’s anything wrong with being bald but I don’t see any other reason for calling someone bald to their face. "
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"Makes sense. If STARING at someone on the tube is now sexual harassment then I think commenting on someone’s body should be too
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Staring is SH imo btw. "
That’s a fair opinion, mine is that using your eyes how you want shouldn’t fall to criminal charges. Seems like a slippery slope to me |
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I still see Vin Diesel knocking one out in the woods
Who hasn't knocked one out with vin diesel in the woods?
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No? Just me on that one then..
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You're not alone on that one buddy. I've got a real green chick/red chick thing going on at the moment. |
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"Makes sense. If STARING at someone on the tube is now sexual harassment then I think commenting on someone’s body should be too
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Staring is SH imo btw.
That’s a fair opinion, mine is that using your eyes how you want shouldn’t fall to criminal charges. Seems like a slippery slope to me "
When you say it like that I hear it. I think it’s mostly contextual. And I hope a case with with a jury would consider that too.
Someone staring at you because your shoes have a hole in them is different to staring at a woman and smirking etc. yk? |
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I've just read about this.
Again context is important. It isn't calling them bold that was classed as sexual harassment, it was insulting someone in their workplace by calling them "a bold cunt". Which is definitely harassment.
This is their statement about the comment:
"was unwanted, it was a violation of the claimant's dignity, it created an intimidating environment for him, it was done for that purpose, and it related to the claimant's sex."
Personally I don't think the tribunal understands sexual harassment.
The say it's related to his sex, because boldness is much more prevalent in males. So it's harassment based on his sex.
However that's not what sexual harassment means, it means harrasment through unwanted sexual behaviour, and diluting it's meaning is a bad thing.
I hope this gets challenged. |
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"Makes sense. If STARING at someone on the tube is now sexual harassment then I think commenting on someone’s body should be too
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Staring is SH imo btw.
That’s a fair opinion, mine is that using your eyes how you want shouldn’t fall to criminal charges. Seems like a slippery slope to me
When you say it like that I hear it. I think it’s mostly contextual. And I hope a case with with a jury would consider that too.
Someone staring at you because your shoes have a hole in them is different to staring at a woman and smirking etc. yk?"
I get that, it’s just when you bring criminal charges into things it gets weird.
Imagine if you locked eyes with a woman on the tube for a second and when the doors open at your stop 2 policemen arrest you.
You then need to attend court and prove you weren’t staring. You just looked.
There’s lots of things people do in life that are nasty/creepy where we don’t bring criminal charges in. We deal with it as a society by teaching our kids not to do that stuff, calling out friends out when we see them doing it and collectively grouping together to shun and shame people that do that stuff.
I just think it’s a very slippery slope when we let matters of opinion (what’s a stare vs a look vs a sexual look vs a quick glance) decide someone’s criminal history |
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By *akie32Man
over a year ago
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when i was an aprentice i was called alsorts of names, did i go crying to hr, no because there was no such thing, did i grow a pair and give as good as i got, yes, and guess what no kittens were harmed in any of it, it made me a stronger person, |
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"Makes sense. If STARING at someone on the tube is now sexual harassment then I think commenting on someone’s body should be too
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Staring is SH imo btw.
That’s a fair opinion, mine is that using your eyes how you want shouldn’t fall to criminal charges. Seems like a slippery slope to me
When you say it like that I hear it. I think it’s mostly contextual. And I hope a case with with a jury would consider that too.
Someone staring at you because your shoes have a hole in them is different to staring at a woman and smirking etc. yk?
I get that, it’s just when you bring criminal charges into things it gets weird.
Imagine if you locked eyes with a woman on the tube for a second and when the doors open at your stop 2 policemen arrest you.
You then need to attend court and prove you weren’t staring. You just looked.
There’s lots of things people do in life that are nasty/creepy where we don’t bring criminal charges in. We deal with it as a society by teaching our kids not to do that stuff, calling out friends out when we see them doing it and collectively grouping together to shun and shame people that do that stuff.
I just think it’s a very slippery slope when we let matters of opinion (what’s a stare vs a look vs a sexual look vs a quick glance) decide someone’s criminal history"
Oh I definitely agree with some of these points. But just think in some cases it’s fair to call it SH. And it’s probably a decent deterrent too ? |
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"Pep Guardiola. He’s attractive isn’t he?
No one’s said that bald people can’t be attractive
I know I just thought this was a perv thread"
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"It was considered sex harassment not sexual arrestment.
Sexual arrestment?
Oh, hnnng. Can I specifically request WPCs for the arrest or is that term too none-PC these days?"
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"when i was an aprentice i was called alsorts of names, did i go crying to hr, no because there was no such thing, did i grow a pair and give as good as i got, yes, and guess what no kittens were harmed in any of it, it made me a stronger person, "
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The trouble blanket defining certain words or phases as harassment is without context or intent you lose meaning. For me the context behind or intent in which something is said is far more threatening than actually words to me. |
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As many said, the classification as sexual harassment is a bit confusing. Lets not forget that some people also just choose the bold look as they like it. However, as always context is important. If it is used to demean a person, its totally inappropriate. |
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By *akie32Man
over a year ago
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"when i was an aprentice i was called alsorts of names, did i go crying to hr, no because there was no such thing, did i grow a pair and give as good as i got, yes, and guess what no kittens were harmed in any of it, it made me a stronger person,
( Mr) Blimey yes imagine being an over weight Ginger apprentice back in the day , poor blighters "
exactly. life is cruel and hard, thats just the way it is, and i think better for it, makes people stonger, imagine in 1914 man is told to go to war, i cant they might be nasty to me, ....... |
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By *akie32Man
over a year ago
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"As many said, the classification as sexual harassment is a bit confusing. Lets not forget that some people also just choose the bold look as they like it. However, as always context is important. If it is used to demean a person, its totally inappropriate. "
but if you cant take it...., just laugh it off or better have a good comeback
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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I’m guessing the word “banter” was bandied about lots.
Some guys are sensitive about their hair situation, so I can see how it could be harrassment. Is it the same thing as commenting on boobs? Not in my eyes.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've just read about this.
Again context is important. It isn't calling them bold that was classed as sexual harassment, it was insulting someone in their workplace by calling them "a bold cunt". Which is definitely harassment.
This is their statement about the comment:
"was unwanted, it was a violation of the claimant's dignity, it created an intimidating environment for him, it was done for that purpose, and it related to the claimant's sex."
Personally I don't think the tribunal understands sexual harassment.
The say it's related to his sex, because boldness is much more prevalent in males. So it's harassment based on his sex.
However that's not what sexual harassment means, it means harrasment through unwanted sexual behaviour, and diluting it's meaning is a bad thing.
I hope this gets challenged. "
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"Makes sense. If STARING at someone on the tube is now sexual harassment then I think commenting on someone’s body should be too
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Staring is SH imo btw.
That’s a fair opinion, mine is that using your eyes how you want shouldn’t fall to criminal charges. Seems like a slippery slope to me
When you say it like that I hear it. I think it’s mostly contextual. And I hope a case with with a jury would consider that too.
Someone staring at you because your shoes have a hole in them is different to staring at a woman and smirking etc. yk?
I get that, it’s just when you bring criminal charges into things it gets weird.
Imagine if you locked eyes with a woman on the tube for a second and when the doors open at your stop 2 policemen arrest you.
You then need to attend court and prove you weren’t staring. You just looked.
There’s lots of things people do in life that are nasty/creepy where we don’t bring criminal charges in. We deal with it as a society by teaching our kids not to do that stuff, calling out friends out when we see them doing it and collectively grouping together to shun and shame people that do that stuff.
I just think it’s a very slippery slope when we let matters of opinion (what’s a stare vs a look vs a sexual look vs a quick glance) decide someone’s criminal history
Oh I definitely agree with some of these points. But just think in some cases it’s fair to call it SH. And it’s probably a decent deterrent too ? "
I guess the question falls on are you willing to have a deterrent in place if it means people could end up with a criminal history for accidentally zoning out on the tube and staring in the general direction of someone?
Potentially ruining someone’s life with a SH offence vs someone feeling a little uncomfortable being looked at.
Sadly in life there’s rarely perfect solutions. But I don’t wanna see anyone life ruined over a misunderstanding |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Is it April the 1st again ? It's all about context my grandson affectionately calls me baldy sometimes.
If I messed up at work and someone called me " a useless baldy bastard " I wouldn't be offended either.
The sexual harassment angle is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.
We as humans need to be able to interact with people ( not strangers ) as we see fit, not governed by some overly PC authority. If we bow down then social interaction is on a very slippery slope.
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I don’t want to let facts get in he way of a good argument but…
The Employment Tribunal’s ruling was based on the notion that in the same way that referring to people’s breasts is inherently sexist because breasts are predominantly attached to females, baldness is primarily a male condition.
“The tribunal, therefore, determines that by referring to the claimant as a 'bald c***', Mr King's conduct was unwanted, it was a violation of the claimant's dignity, it created an intimidating environment for him, it was done for that purpose, and it related to the claimant's sex." |
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By *agic.MMan
over a year ago
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"I don’t want to let facts get in he way of a good argument but…
The Employment Tribunal’s ruling was based on the notion that in the same way that referring to people’s breasts is inherently sexist because breasts are predominantly attached to females, baldness is primarily a male condition.
“The tribunal, therefore, determines that by referring to the claimant as a 'bald c***', Mr King's conduct was unwanted, it was a violation of the claimant's dignity, it created an intimidating environment for him, it was done for that purpose, and it related to the claimant's sex.""
OK this gives a bit more insight...see everyone, context does matter |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's just words"....
1. "You look nice in that dress."
2. "You look nice in that dress."
1. Said by a woman to her granddaughter on her wedding day.
2. Said by Jimmy Savile to an 8 year old girl. |
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"So, apparently calling someone bald is now classed as a form of sexual harassment.
The three judges classified it in the same category as commenting on a woman's breasts.
Thoughts?"
bloody ridiculous, watering down the severity of sexual assault/harassment |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, apparently calling someone bald is now classed as a form of sexual harassment.
The three judges classified it in the same category as commenting on a woman's breasts.
Thoughts?
bloody ridiculous, watering down the severity of sexual assault/harassment "
This was a civil matter. Criminal sexual harassment is a different area of law so not affected by this decision at all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This decision aside, it is odd that it's more socially acceptable to comment on an aspect of someone's appearance that they can't change (height for example) than that which in many cases they can (weight for example).  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I understand that it was wrong and name calling and bullying and body shaming is so very wrong and should be picked up on and dealt with
But I still cannot get my head around how this was deemed as sexual harassment as there is a definition of sexual harassment and this whole scenario doesn't fit
*Sexual harassment is a type of harassment involving the use of explicit or implicit sexual overtones, including the unwelcome and inappropriate promises of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.[1] Sexual harassment includes a range of actions from verbal transgressions to sexual abuse or assault.[2] Harassment can occur in many different social settings such as the workplace, the home, school, churches, etc. Harassers or victims may be of any sex or gender.[3]
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think they were making a comparison rather than a classification. Pointing out someone's lack of hair is as personal as pointing out the size of someone's breasts and similar. Just remember that whenever you are asked by the legal authorities in this country for details about another person that you can not specify gender, sexuality, height, size, colouring, hursuitedness and a number of other factors. Sure makes the photo-fit tricky.
The solution is probably somewhere in education like all other problems, educating everyone to not be so sensitive and to not be so insulting. |
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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago
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I feel that the actual details of the case probably go deeper than the knee jerk inducing headline that we’re all reacting to.
I do find it strange that this is hitting and being given air though. Especially when issues of consent, assault, harassment are so prevalent and not being dealt with.
As a bald guy though, no, it’s not the same thing. I find it rather ridiculous to compare appearances with harassment. Commenting on my hair isn’t the same thing as sexualising me.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Call me bald all you like, why lie?? Tis the truth and some can't handle it. Spent 10 years being disheartened with losing my hair but my new partner loves it and says so |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it not that he was called a "bald cunt"? Surely if he was called just bald, it would not have made it to court/tribunal? "
Some say i'm a bald cunt, my reply is always the same - you are what you eat |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I feel that the actual details of the case probably go deeper than the knee jerk inducing headline that we’re all reacting to.
I do find it strange that this is hitting and being given air though. Especially when issues of consent, assault, harassment are so prevalent and not being dealt with.
As a bald guy though, no, it’s not the same thing. I find it rather ridiculous to compare appearances with harassment. Commenting on my hair isn’t the same thing as sexualising me.
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Riling up the masses by making a stupid news story to discredit sexual harassment and make it all a big ridiculous joke.... no idea why people would do that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've just read about this.
Again context is important. It isn't calling them bold that was classed as sexual harassment, it was insulting someone in their workplace by calling them "a bold cunt". Which is definitely harassment.
This is their statement about the comment:
"was unwanted, it was a violation of the claimant's dignity, it created an intimidating environment for him, it was done for that purpose, and it related to the claimant's sex."
Personally I don't think the tribunal understands sexual harassment.
The say it's related to his sex, because boldness is much more prevalent in males. So it's harassment based on his sex.
However that's not what sexual harassment means, it means harrasment through unwanted sexual behaviour, and diluting it's meaning is a bad thing.
I hope this gets challenged.
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But where does it stop ypur on here looking for sexual adventures how long before someone decides to prosecute a person on here for message sending stating he or she clearly didn't match up to what I state in my profile I'm looking for so there for they are sexually harassing me by messaging me .
Slippery slopes often lead to places people don't want to go . I believe in total freedom of speech because it allows me to know the truth of what others are thinking and then I can take actions accordingly because I'm well informed .
If you stop freedom of speech you just have a load of people who have no way of speaking out history has taut us when that happens it leads to violent uprisings and far worse . |
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"I don’t want to let facts get in he way of a good argument but…
The Employment Tribunal’s ruling was based on the notion that in the same way that referring to people’s breasts is inherently sexist because breasts are predominantly attached to females, baldness is primarily a male condition.
“The tribunal, therefore, determines that by referring to the claimant as a 'bald c***', Mr King's conduct was unwanted, it was a violation of the claimant's dignity, it created an intimidating environment for him, it was done for that purpose, and it related to the claimant's sex.""
Does nobody read the whole thread before adding their own, often ill-informed, opinion? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don’t want to let facts get in he way of a good argument but…
The Employment Tribunal’s ruling was based on the notion that in the same way that referring to people’s breasts is inherently sexist because breasts are predominantly attached to females, baldness is primarily a male condition.
“The tribunal, therefore, determines that by referring to the claimant as a 'bald c***', Mr King's conduct was unwanted, it was a violation of the claimant's dignity, it created an intimidating environment for him, it was done for that purpose, and it related to the claimant's sex."
Does nobody read the whole thread before adding their own, often ill-informed, opinion?"
As IF! |
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