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Losing my will with other drivers!
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I'm not perfect and I screw up, and I'm sure I annoy others at times.
But three times today I've almost had someone crash into me.
Three times!!!
And one was the same driver twice!
Do you ever get days like that where it seems like all the idiots are out?
I know I'm being unkind. But I can't imagine I'm going to keep my calm if another one does it today.
Rant over.
What does your head in when you go about your day that other people do? Doesn't have to be about drivers can be anything.
PW
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Sometimes I drive home in my very brightly coloured car and say to Mr N that I must have accidentally enable the cloaking device. It seems that some days people pull out from side roads, cut me up on roundabouts, tailgate me or wander across the lines into my lane as if I am indeed invisible |
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over a year ago
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Was this with in the London orbital m25 motorway because I find London drivers are a nightmare compared to the rest of country for doing the most stupid things in a effort to get a bit further down the road . |
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"I had a similar experience on the way out of Manchester today, with a habitual lane swerver. He just kept lurching across two lanes and nearly side swiping me  "
It's scary isn't it.
One of mine was where two lanes become one. He was just an arsehole it was me on the left and almost off the road.
Then moved he from the inside of the roundabout and went into the left lane of a dual carriageway instead of the right lane as we exited. Cut right across and I had to make sure we didn't hit. Twat!
The third was parked waiting for a space so I drove round him to continue but he drove forward just after I did so, thinking I was going to nick the space I think, I'm not really sure why. The car hadn't even left the space that he was waiting on.
Grrrrr!
Love your avatar pic. Very nice!
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"I had a similar experience on the way out of Manchester today, with a habitual lane swerver. He just kept lurching across two lanes and nearly side swiping me
It's scary isn't it.
One of mine was where two lanes become one. He was just an arsehole it was me on the left and almost off the road.
Then moved he from the inside of the roundabout and went into the left lane of a dual carriageway instead of the right lane as we exited. Cut right across and I had to make sure we didn't hit. Twat!
The third was parked waiting for a space so I drove round him to continue but he drove forward just after I did so, thinking I was going to nick the space I think, I'm not really sure why. The car hadn't even left the space that he was waiting on.
Grrrrr!
Love your avatar pic. Very nice!
PW "
Grr I hate that on roundabouts! Just stick to your lane! Drives me insane |
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"Was this with in the London orbital m25 motorway because I find London drivers are a nightmare compared to the rest of country for doing the most stupid things in a effort to get a bit further down the road ."
Agree, you need to be a confident driver and a little aggressive at times to get somewhere in London but some are a nightmare and you have to keep you eye on everything.
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I hear you... We have parked car obstacles on our street, have to pull in to give way. Always a hiccup but yesterday was the worst. Myself & a van pulled in to give way to each other at the same time, but before one of us could decide go, a DPD van cut me off & went past, while a Micra did the same to him, both got stuck in the middle... Caused a right jigsaw jiggle to get us all on our way!  |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too "
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space? |
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"I had a similar experience on the way out of Manchester today, with a habitual lane swerver. He just kept lurching across two lanes and nearly side swiping me
It's scary isn't it.
One of mine was where two lanes become one. He was just an arsehole it was me on the left and almost off the road.
Then moved he from the inside of the roundabout and went into the left lane of a dual carriageway instead of the right lane as we exited. Cut right across and I had to make sure we didn't hit. Twat!
The third was parked waiting for a space so I drove round him to continue but he drove forward just after I did so, thinking I was going to nick the space I think, I'm not really sure why. The car hadn't even left the space that he was waiting on.
Grrrrr!
Love your avatar pic. Very nice!
PW "
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space? "
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving. "
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too "
We get annoyed at this too, or if they block the pavement or supermarket aisle with no consideration for others |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful. "
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass. "
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass. "
I would too to be honest. And I have when my leg was bad. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind. "
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
I would too to be honest. And I have when my leg was bad. "
So somebody that lives with a permanent disability and can't move as fast can't move as fast should stand aside! |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
I would too to be honest. And I have when my leg was bad. "
Exactly. My mother has low mobility and lets people pass. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast."
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
I would too to be honest. And I have when my leg was bad.
So somebody that lives with a permanent disability and can't move as fast can't move as fast should stand aside! "
Just speaking for myself here. I would yes. I did when I pushed my mum in the wheelchair at the airport. I did when I pushed my kids in the prams. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down. "
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability? |
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Sorry but I'm not moving out of the way when I'm pushing slowly uphill or something. I'm usually finely balanced and any deviation to the side will see me tip up and smash my head on the pavement. You can wait, folks.
I'm as fast or faster than people on foot on flat or downhill areas. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability? "
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful. "
I am patient and mindful. I keep my annoyance to myself. I'm no saint and sometimes I need to be somewhere in a hurry. I'm not going to knock less abled people than me out of the way but I am going to feel annoyed by people who stop in doorways to chat to their friends or just because they think "oh I forgot to buy milk" |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
I would too to be honest. And I have when my leg was bad.
So somebody that lives with a permanent disability and can't move as fast can't move as fast should stand aside!
Just speaking for myself here. I would yes. I did when I pushed my mum in the wheelchair at the airport. I did when I pushed my kids in the prams. "
Or perhaps people should be more tolerate and less self absorbed and expect others to get out of their way. People who can’t move as fast for whatever reason should be able to use public spaces in the say way as everyone else. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
I would too to be honest. And I have when my leg was bad.
So somebody that lives with a permanent disability and can't move as fast can't move as fast should stand aside!
Just speaking for myself here. I would yes. I did when I pushed my mum in the wheelchair at the airport. I did when I pushed my kids in the prams.
Or perhaps people should be more tolerate and less self absorbed and expect others to get out of their way. People who can’t move as fast for whatever reason should be able to use public spaces in the say way as everyone else. "
Did I say they couldn’t? Was this reply meant for me?! |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating."
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
I am patient and mindful. I keep my annoyance to myself. I'm no saint and sometimes I need to be somewhere in a hurry. I'm not going to knock less abled people than me out of the way but I am going to feel annoyed by people who stop in doorways to chat to their friends or just because they think "oh I forgot to buy milk""
I totally get that but as you can see some people do expect those who are less able to stand aside or move out of the way even though they are less able to do so. These signs should not be needed but unfortunately they are. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating."
This exactly. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating."
What is it with people who think they have the answer to your particular problem...as if you haven't tried every effing possibility .
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy."
But by your logic the person with the hidden disability should also stand aside if they are slower. If someone is in your way it's up to you to move or slow down not the other way round. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy.
But by your logic the person with the hidden disability should also stand aside if they are slower. If someone is in your way it's up to you to move or slow down not the other way round. "
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That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy."
Did you read the bit about the risk of tipping out backwards when pushing uphill? I'm not moving for you because I genuinely risk giving myself a head injury. If you want to go up the hill faster than me, you'll have to either overtake or wait. I don't care if you get pissed off by that, I'm talking about my physical safety. It's fucking hard to push my fat arse uphill in a manual wheelchair. It IS going to make my life harder by trying to move for everyone.
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy.
Did you read the bit about the risk of tipping out backwards when pushing uphill? I'm not moving for you because I genuinely risk giving myself a head injury. If you want to go up the hill faster than me, you'll have to either overtake or wait. I don't care if you get pissed off by that, I'm talking about my physical safety. It's fucking hard to push my fat arse uphill in a manual wheelchair. It IS going to make my life harder by trying to move for everyone.
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy.
But by your logic the person with the hidden disability should also stand aside if they are slower. If someone is in your way it's up to you to move or slow down not the other way round.
Do all disabilities slow you down? "
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
What is it with people who think they have the answer to your particular problem...as if you haven't tried every effing possibility .
You should try visualising compassion by the way "
A man at Parkrun this morning came to say well done and in the next breath, asked why I was in a wheelchair.
For those anxious to know if I got in the way of other people doing the run - no. I finished faster than many people on foot (31min to be precise). |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
What is it with people who think they have the answer to your particular problem...as if you haven't tried every effing possibility .
You should try visualising compassion by the way
A man at Parkrun this morning came to say well done and in the next breath, asked why I was in a wheelchair.
For those anxious to know if I got in the way of other people doing the run - no. I finished faster than many people on foot (31min to be precise)."
It would probably take me 31 hours.
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy.
But by your logic the person with the hidden disability should also stand aside if they are slower. If someone is in your way it's up to you to move or slow down not the other way round.
Do all disabilities slow you down? you tell me! You seem to know all about it and who should stand aside and who shouldn't. "
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy.
Did you read the bit about the risk of tipping out backwards when pushing uphill? I'm not moving for you because I genuinely risk giving myself a head injury. If you want to go up the hill faster than me, you'll have to either overtake or wait. I don't care if you get pissed off by that, I'm talking about my physical safety. It's fucking hard to push my fat arse uphill in a manual wheelchair. It IS going to make my life harder by trying to move for everyone.
We’re talking about in a supermarket. I’m not sure Asda has hills."
In a supermarket, I am physically lower down than everyone else. People go around with their heads in the clouds and fall over me. I can't reach things on the shelves, I have to ask for help. I take up too much space with my chair and clip on trolley. I can only fit down the "wide aisle" checkout. I can't change any of those things. If a wheelchair + trolley in the aisle pisses you off, then so be it. I'm just as entitled to reach for the fucking Marmite as everyone else.
While we're at it, all the Grannies with their trolleys should be diving for the sides, presumably?
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
What is it with people who think they have the answer to your particular problem...as if you haven't tried every effing possibility .
You should try visualising compassion by the way
A man at Parkrun this morning came to say well done and in the next breath, asked why I was in a wheelchair.
For those anxious to know if I got in the way of other people doing the run - no. I finished faster than many people on foot (31min to be precise).
It would probably take me 31 hours.
Have you decided what to do about pain clinic?"
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy.
Did you read the bit about the risk of tipping out backwards when pushing uphill? I'm not moving for you because I genuinely risk giving myself a head injury. If you want to go up the hill faster than me, you'll have to either overtake or wait. I don't care if you get pissed off by that, I'm talking about my physical safety. It's fucking hard to push my fat arse uphill in a manual wheelchair. It IS going to make my life harder by trying to move for everyone.
We’re talking about in a supermarket. I’m not sure Asda has hills.
In a supermarket, I am physically lower down than everyone else. People go around with their heads in the clouds and fall over me. I can't reach things on the shelves, I have to ask for help. I take up too much space with my chair and clip on trolley. I can only fit down the "wide aisle" checkout. I can't change any of those things. If a wheelchair + trolley in the aisle pisses you off, then so be it. I'm just as entitled to reach for the fucking Marmite as everyone else.
While we're at it, all the Grannies with their trolleys should be diving for the sides, presumably?
Jeez."
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
What is it with people who think they have the answer to your particular problem...as if you haven't tried every effing possibility .
You should try visualising compassion by the way
A man at Parkrun this morning came to say well done and in the next breath, asked why I was in a wheelchair.
For those anxious to know if I got in the way of other people doing the run - no. I finished faster than many people on foot (31min to be precise).
It would probably take me 31 hours.
Have you decided what to do about pain clinic?
Yeah, sacking it off. Next appointment is the last one. It's not making any positive difference to me. I'm going to see a consultant at UCHL at some point, he's going to do a load more tests and maybe we'll learn something new "
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You’re making up scenarios. It’s real simple if there is room for someone to get through and you think because you’ve had a bad day you shouldn’t let someone pass then I don’t think the person wanting to pass is in the wrong."
Making up scenarios????? What I described above is every single visit to my local Sainsbury's. Every. Single. One. This is my life. I'm well aware that I might be physically in the way. I can't help it. Would you like me to fold my chair up? Disconnect my clip on trolley? Perhaps disappear altogether?
I spend my life feeling like I'm a burden on everyone. On my husband for needing him to do everything at home. On my daughter for asking her to bring my shoes upstairs. On my colleagues for asking them to carry equipment to my classroom. On the people in Sainsbury's for needing help to reach stuff every week. And on members of the public, presumably for having the audacity to exist? |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy.
Did you read the bit about the risk of tipping out backwards when pushing uphill? I'm not moving for you because I genuinely risk giving myself a head injury. If you want to go up the hill faster than me, you'll have to either overtake or wait. I don't care if you get pissed off by that, I'm talking about my physical safety. It's fucking hard to push my fat arse uphill in a manual wheelchair. It IS going to make my life harder by trying to move for everyone.
We’re talking about in a supermarket. I’m not sure Asda has hills.
In a supermarket, I am physically lower down than everyone else. People go around with their heads in the clouds and fall over me. I can't reach things on the shelves, I have to ask for help. I take up too much space with my chair and clip on trolley. I can only fit down the "wide aisle" checkout. I can't change any of those things. If a wheelchair + trolley in the aisle pisses you off, then so be it. I'm just as entitled to reach for the fucking Marmite as everyone else.
While we're at it, all the Grannies with their trolleys should be diving for the sides, presumably?
Jeez.
You’re making up scenarios. It’s real simple if there is room for someone to get through and you think because you’ve had a bad day you shouldn’t let someone pass then I don’t think the person wanting to pass is in the wrong."
You are either on a wind up just very uneducated about the reality of living with a disability hidden or otherwise. This is not a made up scenario with reality of every daylife given to you by a wheelchair user. |
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The only way I got out of the last Manchester social without being trampled on by the massed public was because Sam Tender and Henriette formed a battering ram to allow me to depart. No-one could see me. No-one could hear me saying "excuse me". It's not made up. It's real. Ask Sam....
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You’re making up scenarios. It’s real simple if there is room for someone to get through and you think because you’ve had a bad day you shouldn’t let someone pass then I don’t think the person wanting to pass is in the wrong.
Making up scenarios????? What I described above is every single visit to my local Sainsbury's. Every. Single. One. This is my life. I'm well aware that I might be physically in the way. I can't help it. Would you like me to fold my chair up? Disconnect my clip on trolley? Perhaps disappear altogether?
I spend my life feeling like I'm a burden on everyone. On my husband for needing him to do everything at home. On my daughter for asking her to bring my shoes upstairs. On my colleagues for asking them to carry equipment to my classroom. On the people in Sainsbury's for needing help to reach stuff every week. And on members of the public, presumably for having the audacity to exist? "
Yes your experience isn’t great and shops and the public should be trying to make things easier for you and other wheelchair users but that’s not what we’re discussing. We’re discussing being able to pass someone and them not making that possible. |
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"People Stopping in front of me on the pavement or shopping too slowly in the supermarket !
That really annoys me too
Are they too slow or are you too fast? If they stop right in front of you are you too close to them and not giving them enough space?
Good point. Usually it's when I'm leaving the shop, I will be walking to the exit fully acknowledge expecting the people in front of me to keep moving.
They started putting signs up in tube and train stations saying something like "not everyone can move as fast or easily as you,give space, we aware, be patient, be mindful.
That should work both ways. If I wasn’t capable of moving as fast as others I’d keep to the side to allow other to pass.
Why should it work both ways, Why should you expect someone to get out of your way? Slow down, Be patient and respectful. Not all disabilities are obvious you should bear this in mind.
I didn’t say get out of my way. I said I would keep to the side if it was me. I do this regularly if I’m walking with my 2 year old because he isn’t capable of moving as fast.
Why should they? You could always move them or slow down.
Does common courtesy go out the window if you get a disability?
Yes - we lose our tempers because we spend our lives being talked down to, belittled, ignored because the counter is to high, stared at, whispered about, trying to get from A to B like everyone else but trying to overcome systematic obstacles in the way. It gets pretty fucking frustrating. And everyone wants to know your medical history or makes some smart arse comment about trying CBD oil or going to Lourdes or something.
Yeah, can be pretty irritating.
I’m not dismissing your experience at all but moving slightly to the side to allow other to pass is not going to make your life any harder and could make someone else’s who could also have a hidden disability much easier. As said earlier it’s just common courtesy.
Did you read the bit about the risk of tipping out backwards when pushing uphill? I'm not moving for you because I genuinely risk giving myself a head injury. If you want to go up the hill faster than me, you'll have to either overtake or wait. I don't care if you get pissed off by that, I'm talking about my physical safety. It's fucking hard to push my fat arse uphill in a manual wheelchair. It IS going to make my life harder by trying to move for everyone.
We’re talking about in a supermarket. I’m not sure Asda has hills.
In a supermarket, I am physically lower down than everyone else. People go around with their heads in the clouds and fall over me. I can't reach things on the shelves, I have to ask for help. I take up too much space with my chair and clip on trolley. I can only fit down the "wide aisle" checkout. I can't change any of those things. If a wheelchair + trolley in the aisle pisses you off, then so be it. I'm just as entitled to reach for the fucking Marmite as everyone else.
While we're at it, all the Grannies with their trolleys should be diving for the sides, presumably?
Jeez.
You’re making up scenarios. It’s real simple if there is room for someone to get through and you think because you’ve had a bad day you shouldn’t let someone pass then I don’t think the person wanting to pass is in the wrong.
You are either on a wind up just very uneducated about the reality of living with a disability hidden or otherwise. This is not a made up scenario with reality of every daylife given to you by a wheelchair user. "
Uneducated? I must have missed that part of the syllabus when it teaches not moving a couple of inches to allow someone to pass. |
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I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you. |
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You’re making up scenarios. It’s real simple if there is room for someone to get through and you think because you’ve had a bad day you shouldn’t let someone pass then I don’t think the person wanting to pass is in the wrong.
Making up scenarios????? What I described above is every single visit to my local Sainsbury's. Every. Single. One. This is my life. I'm well aware that I might be physically in the way. I can't help it. Would you like me to fold my chair up? Disconnect my clip on trolley? Perhaps disappear altogether?
I spend my life feeling like I'm a burden on everyone. On my husband for needing him to do everything at home. On my daughter for asking her to bring my shoes upstairs. On my colleagues for asking them to carry equipment to my classroom. On the people in Sainsbury's for needing help to reach stuff every week. And on members of the public, presumably for having the audacity to exist?
Yes your experience isn’t great and shops and the public should be trying to make things easier for you and other wheelchair users but that’s not what we’re discussing. We’re discussing being able to pass someone and them not making that possible. "
My chair is 70cm wide. My arms need space at the side. How would you like me to allow you to pass in the supermarket aisle when I physically occupy a certain portion of it? Why are you, on foot, more entitled to get to the shelves before me? Why should I move if my 70cm + arms are obstructing your passage, when I am trying to get the frigging milk off the top shelf? |
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You’re making up scenarios. It’s real simple if there is room for someone to get through and you think because you’ve had a bad day you shouldn’t let someone pass then I don’t think the person wanting to pass is in the wrong.
Making up scenarios????? What I described above is every single visit to my local Sainsbury's. Every. Single. One. This is my life. I'm well aware that I might be physically in the way. I can't help it. Would you like me to fold my chair up? Disconnect my clip on trolley? Perhaps disappear altogether?
I spend my life feeling like I'm a burden on everyone. On my husband for needing him to do everything at home. On my daughter for asking her to bring my shoes upstairs. On my colleagues for asking them to carry equipment to my classroom. On the people in Sainsbury's for needing help to reach stuff every week. And on members of the public, presumably for having the audacity to exist?
Yes your experience isn’t great and shops and the public should be trying to make things easier for you and other wheelchair users but that’s not what we’re discussing. We’re discussing being able to pass someone and them not making that possible. "
If you want to get past someone who is simply going their business then you go round them or wait. Simple as that. |
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You’re making up scenarios. It’s real simple if there is room for someone to get through and you think because you’ve had a bad day you shouldn’t let someone pass then I don’t think the person wanting to pass is in the wrong.
Making up scenarios????? What I described above is every single visit to my local Sainsbury's. Every. Single. One. This is my life. I'm well aware that I might be physically in the way. I can't help it. Would you like me to fold my chair up? Disconnect my clip on trolley? Perhaps disappear altogether?
I spend my life feeling like I'm a burden on everyone. On my husband for needing him to do everything at home. On my daughter for asking her to bring my shoes upstairs. On my colleagues for asking them to carry equipment to my classroom. On the people in Sainsbury's for needing help to reach stuff every week. And on members of the public, presumably for having the audacity to exist?
Yes your experience isn’t great and shops and the public should be trying to make things easier for you and other wheelchair users but that’s not what we’re discussing. We’re discussing being able to pass someone and them not making that possible.
My chair is 70cm wide. My arms need space at the side. How would you like me to allow you to pass in the supermarket aisle when I physically occupy a certain portion of it? Why are you, on foot, more entitled to get to the shelves before me? Why should I move if my 70cm + arms are obstructing your passage, when I am trying to get the frigging milk off the top shelf?"
I’ve said all I need to on the matter. It seems we won’t agree no matter what I say. My point is common courtesy works both ways. |
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You’re making up scenarios. It’s real simple if there is room for someone to get through and you think because you’ve had a bad day you shouldn’t let someone pass then I don’t think the person wanting to pass is in the wrong.
Making up scenarios????? What I described above is every single visit to my local Sainsbury's. Every. Single. One. This is my life. I'm well aware that I might be physically in the way. I can't help it. Would you like me to fold my chair up? Disconnect my clip on trolley? Perhaps disappear altogether?
I spend my life feeling like I'm a burden on everyone. On my husband for needing him to do everything at home. On my daughter for asking her to bring my shoes upstairs. On my colleagues for asking them to carry equipment to my classroom. On the people in Sainsbury's for needing help to reach stuff every week. And on members of the public, presumably for having the audacity to exist?
Yes your experience isn’t great and shops and the public should be trying to make things easier for you and other wheelchair users but that’s not what we’re discussing. We’re discussing being able to pass someone and them not making that possible.
If you want to get past someone who is simply going their business then you go round them or wait. Simple as that. "
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you."
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality. |
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"And on that bombshell, I'm off to the supermarket shortly. I shall be found blocking the aisles and needing assistance in aisle 10. Just a warning to anyone who is impatient. "
Tell you what you reach the stuff at the bottom for Ash and he will do the top shelf. |
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality. "
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass. |
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality.
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass. "
This is how I read your original comment to be fair and I said the same. I would mine to one side but by no means did I say other people should. If I couldn’t for any reason then they can damn well wait. |
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality.
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass. "
And we've pointed out that it's not as simple as just moving to the side in the situation I've described. Pushing uphills, for example. The fact I physically occupy a wide space than most people on foot so cannot physically move if there's limited width (such as a supermarket aisle).
I'm acutely conscious that I might be in people's way. It's embarrassing. I hate it. But I can't change it. What the person behind me or trying to pass me in the shop can do, is wait. If I cannot safely or physically allow them past, they will have to wait. Waiting will not kill them. Tipping out backwards on the pavement might very well kill me, if I strike my head (as has happened before). |
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality.
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass.
This is how I read your original comment to be fair and I said the same. I would mine to one side but by no means did I say other people should. If I couldn’t for any reason then they can damn well wait. "
* move to one side, not mine ffs |
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality.
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass.
This is how I read your original comment to be fair and I said the same. I would mine to one side but by no means did I say other people should. If I couldn’t for any reason then they can damn well wait.
* move to one side, not mine ffs "
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality.
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass.
And we've pointed out that it's not as simple as just moving to the side in the situation I've described. Pushing uphills, for example. The fact I physically occupy a wide space than most people on foot so cannot physically move if there's limited width (such as a supermarket aisle).
I'm acutely conscious that I might be in people's way. It's embarrassing. I hate it. But I can't change it. What the person behind me or trying to pass me in the shop can do, is wait. If I cannot safely or physically allow them past, they will have to wait. Waiting will not kill them. Tipping out backwards on the pavement might very well kill me, if I strike my head (as has happened before)."
There aren’t hills in supermarkets. I didn’t say anyone should move to the side whilst physically struggling to get up a hill. I didn’t even mention wheelchairs ffs. These are all words you and Lorna have thrown in there. |
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality.
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass.
And we've pointed out that it's not as simple as just moving to the side in the situation I've described. Pushing uphills, for example. The fact I physically occupy a wide space than most people on foot so cannot physically move if there's limited width (such as a supermarket aisle).
I'm acutely conscious that I might be in people's way. It's embarrassing. I hate it. But I can't change it. What the person behind me or trying to pass me in the shop can do, is wait. If I cannot safely or physically allow them past, they will have to wait. Waiting will not kill them. Tipping out backwards on the pavement might very well kill me, if I strike my head (as has happened before).
There aren’t hills in supermarkets. I didn’t say anyone should move to the side whilst physically struggling to get up a hill. I didn’t even mention wheelchairs ffs. These are all words you and Lorna have thrown in there."
I've explained the issue in supermarkets. Space. Width. Unable to reach. Lower than everyone else. Clip on trolley. I. Can't. Move. Out. Of. Everyone's. Way.
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality.
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass.
This is how I read your original comment to be fair and I said the same. I would mine to one side but by no means did I say other people should. If I couldn’t for any reason then they can damn well wait. "
You said that but they didn't and the further comments show exactly what they ment. |
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality.
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass.
And we've pointed out that it's not as simple as just moving to the side in the situation I've described. Pushing uphills, for example. The fact I physically occupy a wide space than most people on foot so cannot physically move if there's limited width (such as a supermarket aisle).
I'm acutely conscious that I might be in people's way. It's embarrassing. I hate it. But I can't change it. What the person behind me or trying to pass me in the shop can do, is wait. If I cannot safely or physically allow them past, they will have to wait. Waiting will not kill them. Tipping out backwards on the pavement might very well kill me, if I strike my head (as has happened before).
There aren’t hills in supermarkets. I didn’t say anyone should move to the side whilst physically struggling to get up a hill. I didn’t even mention wheelchairs ffs. These are all words you and Lorna have thrown in there.
I've explained the issue in supermarkets. Space. Width. Unable to reach. Lower than everyone else. Clip on trolley. I. Can't. Move. Out. Of. Everyone's. Way.
Sorry."
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality.
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass.
And we've pointed out that it's not as simple as just moving to the side in the situation I've described. Pushing uphills, for example. The fact I physically occupy a wide space than most people on foot so cannot physically move if there's limited width (such as a supermarket aisle).
I'm acutely conscious that I might be in people's way. It's embarrassing. I hate it. But I can't change it. What the person behind me or trying to pass me in the shop can do, is wait. If I cannot safely or physically allow them past, they will have to wait. Waiting will not kill them. Tipping out backwards on the pavement might very well kill me, if I strike my head (as has happened before).
There aren’t hills in supermarkets. I didn’t say anyone should move to the side whilst physically struggling to get up a hill. I didn’t even mention wheelchairs ffs. These are all words you and Lorna have thrown in there.
I've explained the issue in supermarkets. Space. Width. Unable to reach. Lower than everyone else. Clip on trolley. I. Can't. Move. Out. Of. Everyone's. Way.
Sorry.
I guess you’re just looking to be offended at this point so I give up. "
Incorrect. I'm looking for some level of understanding. Some people are slower than you or might be in your way. But it's not for granted that they can simply skip to the side to let you stride on ahead. There may be very genuine reasons why they remain in your way, which you seem unable to accept.
People with physical disabilities are well aware of their limitations and how they play out in public. Oftentimes, disabled people are fearful of the actions and reactions of the general public because some of the general public are fucking horrible. |
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"I’m bored of this as it seems my words will be twisted. My point was common courtesy works both ways. If you don’t agree with that then I can’t help you.
Your words haven't been twisted and no common courtesy does not work both ways in your world from what I've seen, you seem to expect others to get out of your way regardless of how difficult or inconvenient it is for them. You have told someone who is in a wheelchair that they are making up scenarios when they told you their reality.
Right I will put this to bed now. I didn’t suggest anyone “get out of my way” I guess you need educated if you can’t read. I said if I couldn’t move as fast I would walk to the side (notice this wouldn’t be an inconvenience) to allow others to pass.
And we've pointed out that it's not as simple as just moving to the side in the situation I've described. Pushing uphills, for example. The fact I physically occupy a wide space than most people on foot so cannot physically move if there's limited width (such as a supermarket aisle).
I'm acutely conscious that I might be in people's way. It's embarrassing. I hate it. But I can't change it. What the person behind me or trying to pass me in the shop can do, is wait. If I cannot safely or physically allow them past, they will have to wait. Waiting will not kill them. Tipping out backwards on the pavement might very well kill me, if I strike my head (as has happened before).
There aren’t hills in supermarkets. I didn’t say anyone should move to the side whilst physically struggling to get up a hill. I didn’t even mention wheelchairs ffs. These are all words you and Lorna have thrown in there.
I've explained the issue in supermarkets. Space. Width. Unable to reach. Lower than everyone else. Clip on trolley. I. Can't. Move. Out. Of. Everyone's. Way.
Sorry.
I guess you’re just looking to be offended at this point so I give up.
Incorrect. I'm looking for some level of understanding. Some people are slower than you or might be in your way. But it's not for granted that they can simply skip to the side to let you stride on ahead. There may be very genuine reasons why they remain in your way, which you seem unable to accept.
People with physical disabilities are well aware of their limitations and how they play out in public. Oftentimes, disabled people are fearful of the actions and reactions of the general public because some of the general public are fucking horrible. "
I’m talking more in obviously situations when it’s blatantly obvious allowing someone to pass is an option. If you disagree then that is your right.
All our previous interactions have been pleasant so I don’t really want to carry this on when it doesn’t seem to be getting us anywhere.
I appreciate your opinion based on your experiences differ from mine and that’s fine. Enjoy the rest of your day. |
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"Wasn't this a thread about driving vehicles?"
Nope. From the OP:
"What does your head in when you go about your day that other people do? Doesn't have to be about drivers can be anything."
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I always try and do things early for that very reason o/p! Food shop especially. Avoid queues, traffic and on Saturday mornings, shelves fully stocked. If going in town, there are usually parking places. |
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What does your head in when you go about your day that other people do? Doesn't have to be about drivers can be anything.
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Does my head in when I’m at the gym, patiently waiting for a space in the squat racks, only to find that one of the occupants is holding an impromptu selfie multi angle photoshoot.
“Go and do it somewhere else ya cockwomble! Let me squat!” |
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What does your head in when you go about your day that other people do? Doesn't have to be about drivers can be anything.
Does my head in when I’m at the gym, patiently waiting for a space in the squat racks, only to find that one of the occupants is holding an impromptu selfie multi angle photoshoot.
“Go and do it somewhere else ya cockwomble! Let me squat!”"
Supersetters using 2 pieces of equipment when the gym is heaving. |
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What does your head in when you go about your day that other people do? Doesn't have to be about drivers can be anything.
Does my head in when I’m at the gym, patiently waiting for a space in the squat racks, only to find that one of the occupants is holding an impromptu selfie multi angle photoshoot.
“Go and do it somewhere else ya cockwomble! Let me squat!”
Supersetters using 2 pieces of equipment when the gym is heaving. "
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What does your head in when you go about your day that other people do? Doesn't have to be about drivers can be anything.
Does my head in when I’m at the gym, patiently waiting for a space in the squat racks, only to find that one of the occupants is holding an impromptu selfie multi angle photoshoot.
“Go and do it somewhere else ya cockwomble! Let me squat!”
Supersetters using 2 pieces of equipment when the gym is heaving.
Or even 3 "
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"I feel like gym annoyances could be a thread of its own."
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Since I switched to 6am workouts however, most of them have resolved. There’s no bugger else in at that time of morning. |
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Come to Birmingham, where the mini cab drivers have no knowledge of indicating, mirrors, lane discipline, courtesy, the Highway Code or personal space.
The last one I encountered was driving like he had personal protection from Lord Ganesh- when even the elephant god himself was shielding his eyes with his trunk and thinking ‘fookin hell mate- just go round the bloody island again if you miss the turn...not cut across 3 fookin lanes of traffic- including a double decker bus!’ |
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"I feel like gym annoyances could be a thread of its own.
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Since I switched to 6am workouts however, most of them have resolved. There’s no bugger else in at that time of morning. "
I’d have to get up at 4am to go before work and I love sleep too much |
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